Union payoff should get stripped from ObamaCare: Detroit News
posted at 8:05 am on August 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier in the week, we found out that unions have good reasons to conduct an Astroturf campaign on behalf of ObamaCare — in fact, ten billion good reasons. The Detroit Free Press reported that HR3200 gives a $10,000,000,000 subsidy to union pension and benefit plans, a key component that had gone largely unremarked. Later in the week, the Detroit News’ editorial board blasted the payoff and demanded its removal:
One reason the public so distrusts the health care plan being considered by Congress is that so many troublesome details keep bubbling out of the massive legislation.
The latest example is the $10 billion taxpayers will be asked to shell out to prop up the United Auto Workers’ retiree health insurance program. …
In effect, it would ask every taxpayer, regardless of whether they’ll have health insurance coverage themselves after they retire — and most won’t — to chip in to maintain the UAW’s coverage, which even after the union’s givebacks is still better than what the average American worker receives.
That’s one important point to remember. Union health plans will be exempt from the limitations of ObamaCare, allowing unions to operate as insurers while forcing everyone else into government-approved plans in “exchanges”. Instead of having the union pay for their own plans, taxpayers will subsidize them, while getting less themselves.
The Detroit News notes that the biggest beneficiary of this largesse will be the United Auto Workers, whose pension plans are in serious trouble. This should be a showstopper anyway, as the American taxpayer has bailed out the UAW not once but twice, first in dumping billions of dollars into GM and Chrysler, and then in the politicized bankruptcies that gave the UAW large portions of both companies.
We’ve spent enough on the UAW, thank you very much. As the editorial argues, it’s up to the UAW to adjust their pension plans to bring them into financial reality, not to the American taxpayers to subsidize their failure for a third time in a year.
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I would like progressives to explain how is it egalitarian to funnel 10 billion into gold plated plans most working class people can only dream of.
rob verdi on August 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Or how it “saves money”.
the_nile on August 29, 2009 at 8:09 AM
nile,
a valid point, I imagine the response would be for the greater good they need the unions support. It might be unfair, but compared to overall goal of “reform” this inequality is now acceptable.
rob verdi on August 29, 2009 at 8:12 AM
Are we angry yet?
roy_batty on August 29, 2009 at 8:14 AM
Wait a tic,isn’t this cash for unions deal,
the same as the manufactured outrage over CEO
bonus’s,accept,union leftys won’t have
to fear from bused in goons standing in their
front yards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on August 29, 2009 at 8:17 AM
This makes my blood boil. Why haven’t I heard about this on Fox News yet! FNC should be pounding this like a drum.
petefrt on August 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM
B$%$S)&^$
sargentj on August 29, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Because, as John Edwards would say, there are to be “two Americas”, the America that we, the plebeians are to live in, and the “ameriKKKa” that our commissar progressive masters get to live in, with their luxury apartments in Manhattan and their vacation dachas at Martha’s Vinyard.
wildcat84 on August 29, 2009 at 8:25 AM
Kill the bill.
publiuspen on August 29, 2009 at 8:25 AM
And kill it now!!
KCB on August 29, 2009 at 8:28 AM
I passed angry months ago! Kill this damn thing NOW!
fesofee on August 29, 2009 at 8:29 AM
John Edwards is right. There are two Americas – One with this wife and one with his ho.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Kill the bill! Drive a stake through its heart. We are having a counter-protest for Health Care For America today. It is easier every day to oppose this government
rakeoveroops, meant TAKEOVER of healthcare. It’s theft on a massive scale.indypat on August 29, 2009 at 8:36 AM
This ought to be topic #1 on the Sunday talking head circuit, but it won’t be. It’ll be all Ted, all the time instead. Ironic, considering his passion for the unions and Government imposed and operated health care.
Fletch54 on August 29, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Why can’t this tidbit of information go viral? We don’t have to make a big email, just a little FYI for all of our friends and families.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 8:37 AM
their system works soo well when they have Peter to rob…
their system is based purely on subsidy
Sonosam on August 29, 2009 at 8:38 AM
I am starting to understand why Unions are considered EVIL. Bankruptcy would have been such a better solution for the American Car Companies.
Simona on August 29, 2009 at 8:38 AM
SOMEBODY HAS TO KEEP THE UNION THUGS HEALTHY SO THEY CAN BEAT UP THE REST OF US. WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU IDIOTS.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 8:38 AM
Decades after Chrysler and GM have folded this will be an entitlement bought and paid for by We the People.
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Despicable comes to mind… but then that is not quite strong enough language to say it. Weasels… Slugs… Whale Sh*t… Getting closer… Maggot Pile… That’s it! The auto union is attempting to become a MAGGOT PILE.
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They want to be setup to feed on the corpse of America long after the Obama/Pelosi/Reed Triangle of Destruction has left the building.
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RalphyBoy on August 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM
The favoritism of the tyrants, it’s always easy to see, if you want to look. It’s shows what is the tyrants favorite force, while shearing the rest of the sheep.
Every dictator on the planet does the same.
tarpon on August 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Uhm, yes.
angryed on August 29, 2009 at 8:44 AM
I hope the good readers of HotAir are writing letters to each of their Representatives and Senators about what you just read here. If this SCAM passes, the administration and congress is going to give money that the Amercian people do not have to unions and groups from this Health Care Plan.
Three words needed in your letters to your Representatives Senators from your state: KILL THE BILL!!!!!
yoda on August 29, 2009 at 8:46 AM
I’ve been saying this for months… This thing is written by the Unions for the Unions and eff the rest of America.
Key West Reader on August 29, 2009 at 8:46 AM
More issues for more signs at town halls and tea parties.
Cindy Munford on August 29, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Keep peeling the onion that is HR3200. Make Joe Sixpack see WHY they tried to get this through in two weeks. Make the Dems OWN not just the outright theft in the bill, not just the hidden panels and who all is covered or not covered, but the DECEPTION & SECRECY of its proponents.
WHERE ARE YOU, GOP???? Enough of a few of you “amen-ing” Sarah Palin’s FB posts.
hoosiermama on August 29, 2009 at 8:49 AM
10 billion, right.
What would that really be if they have their way?
How long did it take cash for clunkers to go from 1 billion to 3 billion (and still fail)?
DC is no longer part of reality.
reaganaut on August 29, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Ed,
Thanks for posting this! My BlueDog congressman hasn’t mentioned that UAW will get $10 Billion if HR3200 passes. Perhaps he hasn’t read the bill – just in case, I’m going to mail him a copy of the DFP article.
UAW is just another Special Interest group Obama and Democrats cater to. Obama/Kennedy healthcare reform is not about providing care for the needy; it’s about paying back their supporters (UNIONS), G.E., and controlling the nation’s number one employer (health industry) and invading every aspect of our privacy.
2010 Change Back
TN Mom on August 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM
And…Ted Kennedy wrote much of it..RIP Teddy.
jeanie on August 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM
Unfortunately, I think we’re on the hook for the UAW’s mismangement one way or another. While I am not familiar with the exact details of the extent of the garuntees, is not the UAW’s pension, along with all other pensions, under the USPG?
Considering the catastrophic losses suffered by most pensions in last years meltdown, notably those of the municiple, state and federal employees(AFSCME), are yet just one more shoe to drop.
Talking about dropping shoes, expect more bank failures…..
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afK.wvOmLMpU&refer=home
especially as unemployment bene’s dry up and mortgages go unpaid. And this before considering commercial real estate, yet another shoe that is hovering out there.
There is a centipedes closet of crap that is waitng to drop, and I’ve too see anyone’s forecasts take them into account. Methinks we are in for some very stormy weather.
Archimedes on August 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Obama’s aim is to build his National Security force – unions, ACORN, and Organizing for America.
Everything he has done in 7 months has followed this pattern.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM
I’ve heard enough of this crap. ANYONE who dares to tell me that this travesty called Obamacare is “needed” or “for the people” is going to get their butts kicked! I’m so disgusted by these fake, evil liberals I could honestly, well, I can’t even say what I want to do to them!!!!!
gina4 on August 29, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Dear Michelle,
This could be the last nail. Please, please get on it, big time.
Thanks, from all.
TXUS on August 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM
If they start getting too much heat for this, they’ll just remove it, call it an oversight and back door it in again either in this bill or bill to repair bridges or something.
Krychek on August 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Well I know I am.
whbates on August 29, 2009 at 9:00 AM
It’s payroll for the ones new army.
DougDavis on August 29, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Now…where in this bill are the teacher’s written in? Time for someone to look hard.
jeanie on August 29, 2009 at 9:03 AM
My right eye keeps twitching……
Everytime my Dad keeps telling me how unions are a good thing, I wanna punch HIM in the face.
Jerome Horwitz on August 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM
Obama is much smarter and more devious than other liberals like LBJ.
They were interested in social change and liberal causes.
Obama is focused like a laser on exponentially growing and funding left wing groups. While destroying small businesses and our capitalist system.
If any of you still think Obama is incompetent, think again.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Really, I’m going to slam somebody’s blue butt into oblivion!!
gina4 on August 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM
imagine your anger if they had passed this into law before the august break!
phillypolitics on August 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Be respectful – No Response?
Be loud and respectful – No Response?
Be frustrated, loud and respectful – No Response?
Be angry, loud and disrespectful – No Response?
Be angry, loud and threatening – No Response?
Be organized, resolute and threatening – No Response?
Deliver an ultimatum – No Response?
Revolt peacefully – No Response?
Take your country back the same way it started.
sclemens on August 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Only if we allow them to get away with it. Nothing has to happen. As with all pension plans that go belly up (at least prior to this), the plan participants get very reduced benefits paid for by the pool of insurance payment imposed on other plans. Medical benifits in any plan can change and do the UAW should be no different. The Mob has pissed away union money for decades and these fools keep electing them to run the unions so screw them. We have to stop the Democrats from using the tax payers as piggy banks for their voting base.
whbates on August 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM
I’m a mother of six for God sake! I work nights so I can make the most money I can. I’m working my ass off for my family and I will not sit by and watch these souless zombies carry out Satan’s work. “Yes we can”…. oh no fu#@*ing way you can.
gina4 on August 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM
OT sorta:
Barack Obama must abandon the Kennedy way, or he will fail
Clinton was a politician. Obama is a Marxist.
He will not move to the center. Expect the unexpected.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 9:18 AM
This is what they think at Huffpo:
Just so you know.
ctmom on August 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Indeed he is, with plenty of help from Pelosi, Reid and the radicals behind the scenes that Beck has been exposing. They intend to change the playing field, to institutionalize their power so that it will be permanent. That’s the danger, that Obama’s revolution will be irreversible.
petefrt on August 29, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Unions are NOT allowed in the congress: They are too costly and too disruptive to the operations…
Funny that.
HealthCare ReformHealth Insurance ReformHealthCare for Unions Reform
TN Mom on August 29, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Further evidence to support the claim that many of us have made–health care reform has nothing to do with health care reform.
patrick neid on August 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Even, (or when this gets thrown out), of HR 3200, what we have to keep in mind is there are other UNREGULATED FUNDS that Obama can directly pay into the UAW fiasco—either through TARP or the 90% unused balance of the
stimulusporkulus package. Not only should this provision be taken OUT OF THE BILL, but legislationshouldMUST be written in to forbid the UAW from recieving ANY TAXPAYER MONEY to save these rediculous and asinine pension plans.Rovin on August 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Time to get “angry”? Yes.
But never forget to laugh along the way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0&feature=player_embedded
Lockstein13 on August 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM
And anyone who thinks it will ONLY be $10 billion wasn’t paying attention during Cash for Clunkers. Here’s a great quote from the Freep article.
That $10 billion will turn into $50 billion+ in no time.
Meezles on August 29, 2009 at 9:28 AM
The theme continues, punish all taxpayers and reward the unions for their own gross negligence and fiduciary irresponsibility. Essentially, this provision would have all taxpayers paying union dues. The Detroit News should blast the UAW for the millions it spent in campaign contributions instead of applying those funds into their own programs.
In related news, the MSM will add union-haters to the list of those opposing this bill.
ICBM on August 29, 2009 at 9:28 AM
The great blogs like Hotair always seems to be a couple steps ahead of the larger media outlets. That’s why I love ‘em!
visions on August 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Consider me a union hater and a Obambi hater if this is true.
Sounds like an impeachable offense to me.
bluegrass on August 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Spot on, and I would add that their ultimate objective, by doing the things you’ve outlined, is to ensure their power and control in perpetuity.
I can’t quote this enough as it is at the very foundation of their ideology: “The purpose of war is not to defeat the enemy, but to wipe them from the face of the earth.” — Vladimir Lenin
And, there is no doubt that they consider anyone who does not think like or agree with them, i.e., the vast majority of Americans, is the enemy.
We underestimate these people at our own peril.
TXUS on August 29, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Huff&Puff.
We already bailed out the UAW three times. They wouldn’t need a bailout (handout) if they hadn’t run the auto companies in the ground.
The real question should be, why won’t the Dems & Obama make Tort Reform part of the HR3200? Why do they refuse to accept any suggestions from the GOP, like erasing state borders on health insurance and/or allow small business to pool together??
TN Mom on August 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM
This is what is so interesting about Beck’s show last week. This was something new in the non-state media.
He focused on one theme all week. He was not afraid of being called a conspiracy theorist, etc.
The left has been doing this since 2004.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Union thuggery. BO’s “lobby-free” administration. Yeah, sure.
jbh45 on August 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Unions suck! Period.
BuckeyeSam on August 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM
I WON”T BUY UNION IF I CAN HELP IT!
Definitely no more GM or Chrysler for me!
The exempt unions have no reason to be at Townhalls other than to intimidate and inflate. They are the downfall of this formerly great country.
To think this was almost rammed through and still might be. It would necesarily be a call to arms for the freedom loving Americans still in this country!
Any Senate Scum or Congress Critter that votes for this must be run from office in shame, ridicule, and dishonor.
A despicable lot those Dems and RINOS!
dhunter on August 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Obama must double down on Marxism and will not move to the center.
Think about newspapers and the MSM. They have all doubled down, even in the face of extinction.
They must win now and win big. Or, they all go down in flames together.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 9:40 AM
LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL. AND THEN DON’T BUY IT.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 9:41 AM
THE UNION THUGS FROM BISHOP’S TOWN HALL ACTUALLY WORE VERIZON T-SHIRTS.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 9:42 AM
GAG
And yeah, I’m judging!
ExpressoBold on August 29, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Now you’re talkin’
gina4 on August 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I despise unions. They’ve become everything they were originally formed to fight against.
Legalized Mafia’s.
darwin on August 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I was a union member (IBEW) for seven years. I quickly learned that unions protect inefficiency, people are paid based on the years of service (everyone with four years made $X per hour, five years = $Y per hour) and you were expected to produce only the bare minimum amount of productivity.
Go to a Ford or GM plant and watch the guys rush out the door at 5:00. All their baseball caps will have union logos. You won’t see any Ford or GM caps.
perroviejo on August 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM
A 10 billion dollar power grab to keep “The One” in office next election. Ten billion dollars of our money paid to people who made too much money in the first place for what they do, and got pensions that the rest of us only dream about.
I am beginning to understand that there is no limit to what this administration will try to get away with. Maybe there is a revolution coming, but I pray that it is a peaceful revolution. People should not die because of a few power hungry idiots.
kam582 on August 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM
And in this vain the scroll on FOX says ABC, NBC refuse to sell ad time for anti Healthcare ad. They don’t want to get POLITICAL or some lame excuse. They ay there are some parts not factual.
Hell there’s nothing factual coming out of Pinnochios’ mouth just Lies all Lies!
Time to take em down and bury the trash!
dhunter on August 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM
I always thought that’s why the insiders backed Obama in the primary. They remain angry that Clinton was, as you put it, a much better politician than they estimated.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM
The unions are only loyal to the union, not the employer.
ICBM on August 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM
see, you cannot/must not & never lose sight of the ball. even if this particular bill is killed, the Dems ( & some Repubs) will sneak in these little parts in future bills.
we all must become more focused on Congress.
everyone, get politically active.
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Union people believe they work for the union and not the company that hands out the paychecks. This administration will try to get away with every thing they can and take what we allow to happen. We must fight them on every element or end up losing freedom piecemeal.
Kissmygrits on August 29, 2009 at 9:55 AM
This isn’t the first I’ve heard of this union payoff in the HC bill. I saw a report on it last week — might have been on Cavuto’s show. But I agree it needs more exposure.
AZCoyote on August 29, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Obama must double down on Marxism and will not move to the center.
Think about newspapers and the MSM. They have all doubled down, even in the face of extinction.
They must win now and win big. Or, they all go down in flames together.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 9:40 AM
I have to agree and this why I do not think we have even seen the tip of the ice-berg of intimdation tactics yet. Fancy Pelosi, Scary Reid & The Obamanable Snowman are “all-in” now and they are not bluffung. The y will play their Union, ACORN and race cards to full effect.
And painting the right as extremists (ala Denver) with hoax Riechstagesque operations will proliferate with with the pressitutes playing it up on bended knee to the administration.
At least Jim Inhofe & Jon Voight are finally voicing the obvious. Things are gonna get really ugly before this over!
Archimedes on August 29, 2009 at 9:56 AM
You are so right. They will try to sneak it past the public until it’s too late to reverse. Conservatives need a watchdog service, a paid research staff who combs through every single bill to pick out filth like this and publicize it. I would look to Heritage Foundation first.
petefrt on August 29, 2009 at 10:00 AM
This just makes bloodpressure skyrocket! If Obama thinks the taxpayer is going to continue to fluff the unions pillows for the rest of their lives, he is very mistaken.
The fact that this is being lambasted by the DETROIT FREE PRESS, home of the original union thug shows you the level of contempt we’ve all risen to regarding the back door pay-offs.
I’m going to flood this piece to all my media “friends” asking why no coverage, and to all my Lib friends, asking them to enlighten me as to why this kind of crap is part of this glorious healthcare plan they so admire.
GRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr.
anniekc on August 29, 2009 at 10:00 AM
An evil cabal consigned to write this crappy bill. Left to their own devices the dims will have us looking like Venezuela.
Good thing the good people are awakening.
FireBlogger on August 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM
You are exactly right- I am joining the Heritage Foundation today!
anniekc on August 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Some working class people and nonworking people are more equal than other working class people.
tessa on August 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM
so now we have the S E I O U and the U A W I O U.
pocha on August 29, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Good! They do a fine job. But they need our support.
petefrt on August 29, 2009 at 10:04 AM
But SEIU members are mostly government employees and their pensions are going down the drain and they will all be forced into a public plan. So, I’m not sure why the members are supporting obammy.
Blake on August 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Well, I am impressed. We canceled our Detroit News subscription two months ago after being customers in excess of 20 years. They unfortunately have turned into a local paper. With all that is going on in DC, nothing ever in the paper. I am impressed they actually did an article against the union.
shar61 on August 29, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Since the rubes on the right didn’t go to Princeton University, this is all over our collective heads. So take your medicine and bow our savior.
perroviejo on August 29, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Hey, union goons need superior health care to keep their strength up to intimidate women and old people. Also to kick the occasional puppy & baby.
Jeff from WI on August 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM
We probably have to keep reading.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Taxing the Many to Pay the Few
UAW spokespeople have roundly condemned the estimate of labor costs in excess of $70 per current worker hour. They assert these figures include the cost of current retiree pension and health benefits. They have done so, however, without marshalling evidence to support their case.
The Detroit automakers explain in their SEC filings that their benefit expenses are for current workers, not former employees. This is because they follow generally accepted accounting principles in preparing these estimates. If the figures did include current retiree benefits, the average hourly amount would be much higher than they actually report. UAW employees earn far more than most Americans do. Congress should not tax all Americans to bailout the Detroit automakers in order to preserve high earnings for a few…….James Sherk
(James Sherk is Bradley Fellow in Labor Policy in the Center for Data Analysis at The Heritage Foundation.)
Where’s Obama’s pledge to Joe the Plumber where he said he would “spread the wealth around”????
Rovin on August 29, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Lest anyone forgets, Andy Stern(SEIU), Paul Booth(AFSCME) and a whole host others in the Team Obama base are leftovers from Bill Ayers’ SDS/Weather Underground.
G Beck has only scratched the surface when it comes to SDS infiltration into the DC halls of power.
The “enemy” is inside the perimeter, and we are seriously in danger of being “over-run!”
Archimedes on August 29, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Back in college I worked at a grocery and belonged to the UFCW, and I SO resented paying their dues, and MANDATORALLY contributing to their sleazy charities, that the store management would require us to contribute to- I would try to utilize every benefit I could squeeze out of them and when it came time to strike, I stayed home from work, picked up my strike pay for six months, and then never went back. As did about 50% of the stores employees. The UFCW sent me hate mail for about four years. Little by little, most unions have given away all the workers rights to continue to pad their administrative pockets.
anniekc on August 29, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Outrageous but not surprising…we have got to retake America folks…I’m tired of bailing out the unions!
FloridaMike on August 29, 2009 at 10:16 AM
This makes me sick to my stomach.
p0s3r on August 29, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Makes a nice question to be asked at town hall meetings. Not just a demand that the subsidy be removed, but why it was included and why the authors of the bill should be trusted when special interests are being subsidized at cost to the rest.
a capella on August 29, 2009 at 10:21 AM
It’s liberalism 101 > actual equality = inequality, therefore actual inequality = equality. It makes perfect sense if you’re completely braindead & immoral. Maybe that’s why you dam conservatives have such a hard time with these concepts… you really need to get off you azzes and become braindead & immoral. Then you can gain the sacred ability to use the word ‘actual’ anyway you see fit. The word ‘actual’ becomes your weapon of choice. Especially when it has no ‘actual’ meaning other than to justify your ‘actual’ braindead concepts. There now, isn’t that easy? You can change reality, cover up corruption, remove all doubt… anything you want to do… just by inserting ‘actual’ into any argument.
Griz on August 29, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Hey spineless mccain and the gop,let’s be bipartisan and help poor o out with his people killing,spirit killing bill.
ohiobabe on August 29, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Because they have no interest in improving health care or expanding coverage. They absolutely have no interest in lowering costs in spite of the talking points.
This is about control, and using the opportunity to pay off allies.
conservnut on August 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM
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