Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on August 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
“But if you are sympathetic to Kennedy and his politics, as I am, you’re mindful that the accident at Chappaquiddick happened in 1969, the year after Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. (Ted, just 36 and the last of the brothers, shouldered the burden of 11 more fatherless nieces and nephews.) You’re also willing to measure the benefits that Kennedy brought to countless people through his politics, and give them proper weight on the scales of the man’s record. Finally, if you measure his capacity to reform himself, you tip the scales further…
For some women, reverence for Kennedy stopped with Chappaquiddick. The rest of us have a very different view: Kennedy had the gift of time to make amends, and we were the beneficiaries of that.”
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“We are all flawed, and most of us are weak, and in hellish moments, at a split-second’s notice, confronting the choice that will define us ever after, many of us will fail the test. Perhaps Mary Jo could have been saved; perhaps she would have died anyway. What is true is that Edward Kennedy made her death a certainty. When a man (if you’ll forgive the expression) confronts the truth of what he has done, what does honor require?…
Ted Kennedy went a different route. He got kitted out with a neck brace and went on TV and announced the invention of the ‘Kennedy curse,’ a concept that yoked him to his murdered brothers as a fellow victim — and not, as Mary Jo perhaps realized in those final hours, the perpetrator. He dared us to call his bluff, and, when we didn’t, he made all of us complicit in what he’d done. We are all prey to human frailty, but few of us get to inflict ours on an entire nation…
The senator’s actions in the hours and days after emerging from that pond tell us something ugly about Kennedy the man. That he got away with it tells us something ugly about American public life.”
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atheling on August 30, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Tomorrow Ted Kennedy will take his rightful place in the news….on the page after the Michael Jackson news.
Limerick on August 30, 2009 at 12:27 AM
He was called the Lion of the Senate. Not for his white mane or mighty roar, but because he mated without limits and killed without remorse.
Jim Treacher on August 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Magnificent my friend! Magnificent!
conservnut on August 30, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Can we pass the mantle of “Lyin’ of the Senate” to Al Franken? Just asking…
Khun Joe on August 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Perhaps so, How about lyin lyers?
conservnut on August 30, 2009 at 12:41 AM
I have the best joke but I fear the ban hammer…
ladyingray on August 30, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Meet me around the corner and whisper it in my ear.
I hope you can recognize me in the dark. Some say I’m a wall, snake, spear, tree, fan or rope. But it’s really me.
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 1:03 AM
@atheling…
Blah blah blah
Can you really NOT see anything else?
ladyingray on August 30, 2009 at 1:04 AM
Like I said.
No lady at all.
atheling on August 30, 2009 at 1:06 AM
:)
Upstater85 on August 30, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Just got home from a long road trip. I can’t believe all of the flags being flown at half-mast. This pice-of-shit was ONLY a senator from MA. That is all that he was. Why all of this “national” honor shown this piece-of-shit? Isn’t Eleanor Clift another one of those Can’t Understand Normal Thinking?
cjs1943 on August 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM
We’re all Mary Jo Kopechne now.
Yes, you and I are Mary Jo Kopechne now. You read it right. Teddy has passed the keys to Obama, after a few beers with Gates, and he’s smiling at us and then sliding behind the wheel. Maybe Obama, like Teddy, slipped a little something in our drink–just to make us a little more willing. One can only think what he has in mind as he invites us into the front seat of that big Oldsmobile. “Just a little drive” he quips, as your instincts tell you this might not be a good idea, but he’s handsome, well connected and charming. In the back of your mind, you think obama is just another womanizer, just out to use you for what you’ve got. Maybe you’re right–he is married you know.
As he heads down the bridge, the car careens over the edge, flips upside down and he leaves you trapped there, gasping for air as the car fills with water. You die a slow agonizing death as Obama escapes, his political career intact–set up right for victories to come–adulation and reverence. The rules he sets don’t apply to him–he wins and you lose.
Yes, Obama is trying to use us just like Teddy used Mary Jo. He wants to get what he wants and needs out of us only to leave us discarded underwater like an old boot. He’ll ride our backs just so long as to break it, then hop on someone else’s.
Yes, my friends. Today, we are all Mary Jo Kopechne and it is truly fitting and symbolic that the coward of Chappaquiddick is passing the proverbial keys to the Oldsmobubble to Obama upon the delivery of the eulogy.
The question is, will we get in and take the fatal ride, knowing today what Mary Jo didn’t know that fateful night in 1969? Will we be left at the bottom of the lake, gasping for air, as Obama escapes to greener pastures…and more victims? Time shall tell–for today, the Oldsmobile Key is passed.
ted c on August 30, 2009 at 1:21 AM
The family mourns
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/kennedy_relative_flips_off_crowd_082809ily
Really?
macncheez on August 30, 2009 at 1:22 AM
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/kennedy_relative_flips_off_crowd_082809
macncheez on August 30, 2009 at 1:26 AM
Magnificent. And so true.
atheling on August 30, 2009 at 1:27 AM
“I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me”…ad nauseam.
Look at me! Look at all I’ve done!
Such humility on display.
What a totally disgusting man.
GrannyDee on August 30, 2009 at 1:36 AM
Hey Eleanor, you brain dead liberal elitist slim, Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
csdeven on August 30, 2009 at 1:36 AM
Not hate, Bubba. Truth. And truth is always its own defense.
Live with it.
GrannyDee on August 30, 2009 at 1:51 AM
RIP Ted Kennedy. Though I never agreed with you. I respected you. As a force that had to be dealt with in the Congress I respected you.
O/T: Anyone see the syrupy, dripping, fawning coverage FOX gave during the funeral? I thought Chris Wallace was going to break down, a la Loretta Lynn in ‘A Coal Miner’s Daughter’ on-air. I just threw up a little in my mouth.
alohapundit on August 30, 2009 at 1:59 AM
I shall answer your question with a question.
How did it feel for 8 years under Bush with real unadulterated BUSHITLER hate?
Yeah we aren’t there yet, but only because we operate from a rational position. :P
alohapundit on August 30, 2009 at 2:02 AM
“I have a dream that some day our children will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” — Martin Luther King, Jr.
“I have a dream that some day our children will be judged not by the content of their character, but by the color of their politics.” — Martin Luther King, Jr. (Radical Communist Leftist Revised Version)
Ordinary American on August 30, 2009 at 2:08 AM
Tedster was “shovel ready” under the Zeke Emmanuelle guidelines about a year ago unless I miss my guess….definitely 6 months back at the latest…..
the beautiful people want to eat the dutiful people.
sven10077 on August 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM
I think after this past week Chuck Rangel might object… or if he didn’t, he sure ought to.
Blacksmith on August 30, 2009 at 2:34 AM
sven10077, that is brilliant! I’m going to shamelessly steal that if you don’t mind.
Blacksmith on August 30, 2009 at 2:41 AM
Unless Ted can wave his pen and make that young woman come back to life, unless he can give her her life back, redemption is impossible. Ted lived the years she never got to, every experience he lived she spent in a cold grave. No words or deeds can excuse, redeem, make good, or pay back a young woman who was denied the gift of life. When I weigh an innocent life against anyone’s accomplishments, particularly those of the person who killed her, the scale moves massively in favor of the innocent life.
Dollayo on August 30, 2009 at 2:59 AM
Olympia snowe
this is off topic but it has to be posted here. She is going to cave and side with the libs on healthcare. Burn her phones at her offices. Pick a zip code or a town in Maine, call her office saying you represent a group of seniors and let her know she’s out if she votes with the libs. Better yet, take a page out of alinskys rules for radicals and say your moderate democrats against the bill. Stop her now before she caves! Call now!!
texaninfidel on August 30, 2009 at 3:35 AM
God I hope this is the last “Uncle Teddy” post.
Rest in peace already.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 30, 2009 at 4:49 AM
From the Bay of Pigs to a failed heath care bill, the 50 year curse of the Kennedys is finally over. May God never give us a family of rotten, worthless beings to run our country again.
Jeff from WI on August 30, 2009 at 6:23 AM
Jeff from WI on August 30, 2009 at 6:23 AM
Amen
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 6:28 AM
That’s cheating, North-Mexican. You’ll get teh Kennedycare that Jesus and BHO say you shall get.
Amen
simplesimon on August 30, 2009 at 6:50 AM
“I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me”…ad nauseam.
Look at me! Look at all I’ve done!
Such humility on display.
What a totally disgusting man.
GrannyDee on August 30, 2009 at 1:36 AM
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Who else is the letter supposed to be about, GrannyClown
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 7:02 AM
That’s cheating,
simplesimon on August 30, 2009 at 6:50 AM
simplesimon: Texaninfedel is only playing by your rule book!
canopfor on August 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM
“I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me”…ad nauseam.
Look at me! Look at all I’ve done!
Such humility on display.
What a totally disgusting man.
GrannyDee on August 30, 2009 at 1:36 AM
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Who else is the letter supposed to be about, GrannyClown
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 7:02 AM
Dave Rywall:
Dave WroughtWall,I’m glad you figured it out also,who the
letter was about!!
canopfor on August 30, 2009 at 7:16 AM
The letter is not good. Reading between the lines he is seeking absolution from his abortion stance. “I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health care field and will continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate.” If it was not wrong, why would Catholics need conscience protections. Truth is the church is not happy with all of those people in that church yesterday, and Teddy found out at the end you cannot hide from your deeds. The pictures of him at his sister’s wake shows one thing, a man whose eye reflect someone scared out of his mind. I hope he has found peace with God.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 7:18 AM
He was a cad’s cad. Good riddance to bad rubbish, long past due.
An autopsy of Mary Jo would be interesting; Teddy physically incapacitated her before he escaped. If there was only 7 ft. of water, why wouldn’t she have tried getting out herself when he didn’t return for her? How did Teddy get out without either taking her with him, or drowning her when he opened the car door to escape? The water must have rushed in. He couldn’t easily have gone through the car window; you can’t roll it back up from outside of the vehicle under water.
The Kennedys aren’t about to let their name be forgotten. We’ve seen the ugly lengths they go to simply for news coverage, pimping little children to “lead them”. Compound that with Obama’s DNC, here comes the new Kennedy Myth, “Beyond Camelot”. Counter bastardization with “The Lady of the Lake”.
So far as Michelle Obama’s concerned, what does it do for her kids? THAT is the MSM story.
Ted Kennedy committed treason during Reagan’s administration. AMERICAN TRAITOR is his epitaph.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM
texaninfidel on August 30, 2009 at 3:35 AM
Hard to sway a bill’s co-sponsor to retract her work.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 7:37 AM
I am smarter than everyone here!
I know more than all of you do!
I get so hot when I put down conservative women!
I only post here because I can’t get any women in real life to put down.
I am so immature, obnoxious, elitist, and narcissistic that nobody can stand me in real life.
Please help me!
— Daffy Dry Rot
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 7:43 AM
I’m chagrined that the Church turns over its own innate DUTIES to the various nation/global state to perform, namely CARITAS. Bad omen on the church, to forfeit it’s reason for existence, its cause, to lose all relevance. Particularly when the Church goes so far as to instigate the downfall of sovereign states via massive illegal immigration. The point of Christ is to help others where they are at home, to find peace in their own hearts, to serve missions to educate individuals and communities where there is injustice to “nation build” their own home. How utterly conveniently “Christianity” sells its own soul to Big Brother, not Jesus but the antiChrist, recoiling into the exclusive seclusion of the spiritually elitist Vatican in Rome. These are troubling times, and the world needs the beacon on the hilltop to shine, not withdraw.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 7:43 AM
‘Morning
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 7:59 AM
I am a woman and have never held any admiration for Ted Kennedy. As a friend of mine, who occasionally encountered Kennedy in DC in the 80′s, said the other night, he was pure evil.
As a non-native born resident of Massachusetts and part of the under 40 contingency, I had gratefully escaped ever being immersed in the Kennedy cult – until now. Thankfully, Mark Steyn says what we all are – or should be – thinking. On the news that Cardinal O’Malley would be presiding of the sham of a Catholic funeral for this anything but Catholic, thing, I had to admit that I am, today, ashamed of my Church. It is truly fitting that our skies are black and our streets run with filthy water. We live in an ugly, ugly world. I think maybe we are getting what we deserve.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:07 AM
GOPMOM
O’Malley did not preside, he merely attended.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:10 AM
The world is a better place without him on so many levels.
CC
CapedConservative on August 30, 2009 at 8:11 AM
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:10 AM
The Boston Pilot reported he would preside. I did not watch so…
As a member of a Boston Archdiocese parish who has had the former honour of having the Cardinal preside over services, including a Mass at my daughter’s school, I cannot tell you how heartbreaking this all is. I have to defend my church and being a member of it almost daily. It does not make it any easier when the church allows a spectacle to be made of such a distasteful event.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Kennedy’s passing has provided a fascinating opportunity– to watch the many ways people try to rationalize their worship of a man whose life has a black mark that stains the entire page.
Memo to Kennedy worshippers: measuring the impact of his life of ‘service’ against the death of Kopechne without taking into account that he didn’t atone for that act renders your opinion meaningless. Most murderers don’t get to “pay” for their crime by spending the next 40 years in the Senate.
Tonus on August 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM
I’ve been ‘fighting’ all my leftist friends this week and reading their blathering about what a great man Kennedy was. As usual, they can offer no real argument to counter the facts that this guy was a joke. They just blithely continue to walk through life with their Sheeple glasses on.
BierManVA on August 30, 2009 at 8:21 AM
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM
I watched. He was introduced but took no part in the service til the end and he did final prayer over casket, with the incense. I was hoping he would admonish them in some way, but nothing.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:22 AM
If Kennedy pushed open the driver’s side door and jumped out just as the car was hitting, or about to hit, the water, the door would have closed behind him. Also, we know that the car was only in 7 feet of water, but Mary Jo didn’t know that. It was night, she was in pitch blackness, the car was upside down, she was likely disoriented. Maybe she couldn’t swim. Maybe she tried to escape but could not get the windows down. (Once the car is in the water, she could not have opened the doors because of the water pressure). Maybe she thought she was safer not attempting an escape on her own. Since there was an air pocket in the car, she may have believed she was better off waiting for the rescue that surely Kennedy was organizing . . . .
AZCoyote on August 30, 2009 at 8:24 AM
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Do you think they have any idea how sick they are, or is it just the fiber of their being? Don’t they ever think about what a partial birth abortion is actually, or how it is performed?
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:24 AM
And I just want to clarify that having the Cardinal say a Mass is special not because of his “rank” but because of the man himself. He is a remarkable man and says remarkable things. And I can overlook this, in my opinion, mistake because we all make them. But I am still very distressed at the whole thing.
I fully understand the fine line between church and state in terms of social issues but might I suggest that a private family service, without the TV coverage,might have been a nice compromise? It’s one thing to hope or even assume that someone atoned before death but to put the official stamp of approval on someone’s life for all to see? Too much!
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:25 AM
OK the SOB is really DEAD good and DEAD.
Now go on the attack via write congress or the NRA web site and bury congress in NO letters.
Yes you look up the zip code in any town and state and yes you tell em the whole family thinks they suck
FYI below is even easier call all the blue dogs. You can live in all 50 states.AMERICA is a State of mind.
ACT NOW first thing monday call em all!!!!!
Blue Dog Leadership Team
Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip
Blue Dog Members
Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Barrow, John (GA-12)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
Bright, Bobby (AL-02)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Childers, Travis (MS-01)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03)
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
Griffith, Parker (AL-05)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD)
Hill, Baron (IN-09)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
Marshall, Jim (GA-03)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Minnick, Walt (ID-01)
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Nye, Glenn (VA-02)
Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Space, Zack (OH-18)
Tanner, John (TN-08)
Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)
Col.John Wm. Reed on August 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Ted was only for abortions because, after the second drowning, even progressives might start keeping their daughters away from him.
Slowburn on August 30, 2009 at 8:27 AM
No one does contempt as well as Mark Steyn. Except for Michelle Malkin.
CarolynM on August 30, 2009 at 8:32 AM
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:24 AM
I attended a party Friday night with parents from our church/school, many from the Cape/Boston are, immersed in Kennedy folk tales and they all are sick over this, over the man, over watching their older family members (and some younger) actually experiencing grief over this. And the common thread is “What will we do without him?”
It must be a fundamental abnormality in the brain – I cannot describe it any other way. To be able to simply brush aside the horror of reality for a personal favor – which is apparently how he truly stayed in office, the guy never received even 50% of the vote.
I cannot imagine any worse existence than being wholly dependent on some one else – it must be why teenagers are so despicable. To see how one man, in the name of the supposed common good, was able to convince so many they were incapable and unworthy, to the point where they all became complicit in his actions, is a good lesson for all of us. Evil takes many forms.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM
I didn’t watch but my husband said that during the coverage it was stated that Sen. Kennedy planned his funeral. Are we surprised?
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM
As I said, something fundamentally wrong inside the brain. I still feel dirty after yesterday. And I wonder how the rest of the world is laughing at us.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:37 AM
The letter is not good. Reading between the lines he is seeking absolution from his abortion stance. “I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health care field and will continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate.” If it was not wrong, why would Catholics need conscience protections. Truth is the church is not happy with all of those people in that church yesterday, and Teddy found out at the end you cannot hide from your deeds. The pictures of him at his sister’s wake shows one thing, a man whose eye reflect someone scared out of his mind. I hope he has found peace with God.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 7:18 AM
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It’s ludicrous that someone would write a letter to the pope in the first place, as if the pope had some kind of magical power – oh wait – Catholics (are supposed to) believe that he has a direct link to God so his prayers mean more than regular folks’.
God forgives everybody no matter how horrible a person they were, as long as they truly repent. What an awesome system – I mean racket.
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Unless Ted can wave his pen and make that young woman come back to life, unless he can give her her life back, redemption is impossible. Ted lived the years she never got to, every experience he lived she spent in a cold grave. No words or deeds can excuse, redeem, make good, or pay back a young woman who was denied the gift of life. When I weigh an innocent life against anyone’s accomplishments, particularly those of the person who killed her, the scale moves massively in favor of the innocent life.
Dollayo on August 30, 2009
+1
SKYFOX on August 30, 2009 at 8:40 AM
God forgives everybody no matter how horrible a person they were, as long as they truly repent. What an awesome system – I mean racket.
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 8:40 AM
I agree, but telling the pope you worked hard so that Catholics would not have to perform abortions but did nothing to stop the abortions is not really repenting. Perhaps, he did repent, and if he did then he would have had his grandchildren shouting to the world that it is wrong.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM
And my husband wants me to add we’re also offended he was buried at Arlington. Shouldn’t we have voted on whether or not his service to the nation was valid? Seemed more like service to himself.
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 8:40 AM
You’re right about God being the one to grant forgiveness. But who makes a letter to the Pope public? And how do you judge who has truly repented? The point is we should not publicly be honoring a man inside a church with a faith he did not adhere to.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM
I agree, but telling the pope you worked hard so that Catholics would not have to perform abortions but did nothing to stop the abortions is not really repenting. Perhaps, he did repent, and if he did then he would have had his grandchildren shouting to the world that it is wrong.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM
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Well now, I guess it’s up to that God fellow to figure this out.
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM
I was married to an alcoholic and he is much like Teddy. He never admits he is wrong he justs digs in and spins the story. The Catholic Church, his family, the Democratic party, are all just enablers.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:51 AM
You’re right about God being the one to grant forgiveness. But who makes a letter to the Pope public? And how do you judge who has truly repented? The point is we should not publicly be honoring a man inside a church with a faith he did not adhere to.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM
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Who makes a letter to the pope public? Who gives a sh1t?
As I said already, and you would know this if you were a Christian, God decides who has truly repented. Nobody else has the all-seeing, all-knowing power, so anybody who claims to know whether or not Kennedy truly repented is a liar and presumes to be as powerful as God, which seems to be a tad arrogant, not to mention blasphemous.
By your standards, nobody should ever be honoured, since nobody adheres their faith – nobody comes anywhere close. So I guess you’ve got some massive rationalizations to do with regards to yourself, your family, your friends, and your public figures. Have fun.
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM
AZCoyote on August 30, 2009 at 8:24 AM
That was the story we all figured back then. No, I bought that line as a child, but no more. For Mary Jo to have waited HOURS, she was not simply “disoriented” but most likely knocked out and incapacitated. I doubt she ever regained consciousness, out of oxygen by the time she would have come to from being drunk and banged up. Back then, no one wore seat-belts out of habit. And if Kennedy was so damned drunk as to drive over the bridge, that was some trick leaping out before the car hit water. HE knew it was only 7 ft deep. There’s no way from such a fall that he wouldn’t have been thrown through the water to both hit bottom and see the car stop sinking. His televised lying testimony seals his fate of his own accord.
If Mary Jo were smart enough to participate in the Washington circle, she’d have the survivalist sense to struggle for life, not just sit placidly waiting for help hour after hour. Even if she weren’t “smart” and only panicked, she’d have struggled to get free if she’d been conscious. It takes immense faith to patiently wait for hours rather than attempt to survive. She would have known she would be a liability that Kennedy wouldn’t want tainting his career. Hence, even if she had faith in God, it wasn’t in Teddy. May she RIP.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM
For
some womenMary Jo Kopechne, reverence for Kennedy stopped with Chappaquiddick. The rest of us have a very different view: Kennedy had the gift of time to make amends, and we were the beneficiaries of thatKennedy did not have to make amends to other women. He had to make amends to Mary Jo
Nice to know Eleanor cleaned up on Mary Jo’s dime
I want to know when these lucky ladies are going to put up a monument to Mary Jo, the one whose sacrifice made it all possible
Here is proof why lying is bad. You have to twist yourself like a pretzel to make everything fit
entagor on August 30, 2009 at 8:57 AM
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Sorry to sound like a whining Liberal, but can you say “those church leaders” and not “The Catholic Church”? I’m not the best Catholic out there – but better on the Ted scale – but even I can recognize the goodness of most of the people in the church and separate it from the misguidedness of some of the leaders.
I do not speculate at what God might feel about this man and I’m even a bit skeptical at times of church doctrine – even I understand that some of the rules are archaic leftovers – but I’m pretty sure saying you’re sorry on your deathbed greatly differs from attempting to atone for previous wrongs during a lifetime.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 8:59 AM
You reference yourself.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 8:59 AM
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM
You are correct. I have great faith and know that many in the church are fallible humans, and not the church itself. You are correct in your criticism.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Crikey. Who spit in your Cheerios this am?
Just to clarify, I again was making the point that as a Catholic in the Boston Archdiocese, I was very disappointed that my church family chose to honor this man in such a public way when he very publicly turned his back on the most fundamental of that church’s teachings.
You must hold a deep seated hatred for Catholics to extrapolate that into I’m not a Christian. Hate much?
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Beauty is in the heart of the beholder.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Dryballs is his own millstone, not yours to bear.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Since I am not Catholic I don’t want to offend anyone, but Sen. Kennedy had only to ask forgiveness from God directly and it would have been granted. The letter and it’s glaring omissions of what he championed throughout his life were nothing more than a publicity stunt. I hope that he sought and received forgiveness.
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Crikey. Who spit in your Cheerios this am?
Just to clarify, I again was making the point that as a Catholic in the Boston Archdiocese, I was very disappointed that my church family chose to honor this man in such a public way when he very publicly turned his back on the most fundamental of that church’s teachings.
You must hold a deep seated hatred for Catholics to extrapolate that into I’m not a Christian. Hate much?
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM
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Ah, criticism = hatred. So, so mature of you.
The ball-less Catholic church doesn’t care about its members being pro-choice since the record shows it has never ever done anything about it beyond a lame weakly worded paragraph here or there in the pope’s xmas message. It can’t go around excommunicating everybody because that would mean less in the collection plate every Sunday. The church turns a blind eye. Always has, always will. And nobody has the guts or the will to call them on it, and they know it. As I said, great racket.
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM
It wasn’t meant to be criticism, just a friendly request.
I was never so “Catholic” until I moved to Massachusetts 5 years ago. Part of it is being very involve because my daughter goes to a parish school and part of it is being so sure that most of the people in the church are good not matter what the sins of a few but mostly it is because I’ve grown up and no longer have that “infallibility vision” I had as a child. Its simple maturity – the ability to appreciate the rules and what they mean while at the same understanding no one will ever adhere completely.
I just get so tired of those who point the finger not allowing that most of us understand this – as we do that we are not the judges, God is. But not being the final judge does not meant hat we should not recognize sin when we see it and speak out against it.
I guess we just figured out what is wrong with the “Left” brain – no ability to comprehend nuance.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM
I have so much bile in me that I have to go around like a dog, peeing everywhere.
I pee on everyone I don’t like and I don’t like anybody, including myself.
So I’m all covered with bile and I reek of it.
And nobody can stand the smell of me.
Help!
— Daffy Dry Rot
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM
And beauty is also in the heart of listener.
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 9:11 AM
I think they prove daily that they laugh at us, but not about Sen. Kennedy’s funeral. Don’t forget that the whole world thought the Kennedy family was awesome. Bootlegging has come a long way. In a moment of rash generalization I am going to say that most in power envision tributes like that but most don’t have the money to pull it off.
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Kennedy left his mark obliterating his brothers.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwEIkXMfL1E&feature=related
Jeff from WI on August 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Dave Rywall on August 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Where are you? I’d love to introduce you to my church and the people that are in it. I think you might be surprised.
Your uncalled for “criticism” was unjustified. It seemed to me you were just attempting to start an argument. While everything you say has a bit of truth to it, your hatred for the Catholic church is so obvious, you’re arguments are negated. You should preclude yourself from commenting.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM
did you miss MARTIN LUTHER???? and whole protestant reformation thing??
right4life on August 30, 2009 at 9:17 AM
let’s move on. Kill the bill.
my congressman TomPerriello 5th CD Va, a Dem, has had the most townhalls of anyone. he has been met with a ruckus at every one with people shouting “down with socialism, kill the bill, no to Obama, Pelosi”. after the last townhall where 99% voiced their opposition to the bill, Perriello said that most in his district favored it.
this is what they will all say when they vote for it. they will get big money from the unions to fund their re-election campaigns.
we must be ready. and we must keep calling the Senate & Congress.
kelley in virginia on August 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM
I suppose we can hope that barack will spend all his change defending himself in the future and will be unable to afford such a tribute.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM
A tribute to Teddy?
Yes, perhaps a funeral for Obamacare would be appropriate.
Saltysam on August 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Truly, those with ears to hear, let them hear.
Nona nobis pacem.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:22 AM
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM
I took it as a friendly request, no harm, no foul.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 9:22 AM
It’s a sign of our times when Michael Vick got in more trouble over what he did to dogs than Edward Kennedy did for what he did to Mary Jo. Human life is more valuable.
Herb on August 30, 2009 at 9:25 AM
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I watched the Kennedy funeral while I did my work. All the fawning came off as being hollow. They had gone over 3 hours than planned so at the end you could hear one of the kids crying at the cemetary, “I can’t read it, I can’t see.”
They must of given her a lighter because then she again shilled for the healthcare for grandpa. After that a big storm moved in and they all scattered. I am thinking it was
‘Divine’ intervention.
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Das Lamm des Gottes, der die Sünden der Welt wegnimmt, gewährt uns Frieden.
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 9:26 AM
VERY TRUE….and it annoys the hell out of me…people care more for dogs than they do babies…sick, evil and twisted…
my father’s generation viewed dogs as farm animals…to be used for hunting, herding, etc…not as ‘pets’ or ‘children’ they were right..we’re really screwed up…
right4life on August 30, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Have you been to Instapundit? There was a heavily organized townhall meeting where people were obliged to give their personal information before entering. A person who didn’t like the idea decided not to go in and later heard the Congressrat say that forms were actually a petition of approval of Obamacare. Supposedly an old union trick. I would love to hear more since I am always skeptical of just one report.
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Loxodonta on August 30, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Ja, bestimmt.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM
tessa on August 30, 2009 at 9:26 AM
As I said, it was truly a black day in Massachusetts yesterday. We went to the movies (don’t go see Shorts, BTW – awful) and shopping at Whole Foods. Great bargains this week for back to school! And no picketers – there are some benefits to living in MA.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM
DeathCare
Doom by any other name is still doom.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM
My best hope is that since I have almost ten years on him, I go first. The adulation he receives now is too much for me.
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM
kelley in virginia on August 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Was saying the same thing the other night. Gotta’ hit the Blue Dogs hard. I’m in MA so no one to call here. Tried to call my State Rep re: Senatorial succession rule but she was working on her resume:)
But I’m still thinking they’re gonna’ pass a huge bill – how bad, who knows? I’m thinking the same focus is needed on Cap and Trade which will rear it’s ugly head again soon and 2010.
Anyone?
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM
gopmom @ 9:29
No negative impact on WholeFood shopping in Austin, just as crowded checking out as ever.
maverick muse on August 30, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Cindy Munford on August 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Based on Obamacare, combined with our politics, I’d say we’re all more than likely to go before he does.
gopmom on August 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM
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