Liberal Fallout Zones
posted at 9:35 am on August 29, 2009 by Anita MonCrief
In Northeast Washington, DC off Minnesota Avenue a neighborhood sits tucked between the entrance ramps to 295 North and South. The four story buildings line a one way street that loops around in a circle. Residents of these buildings call the complex “Paradise.” But in reality, this area is another liberal fallout zone. Instead of Nuclear disaster areas like Chernobyl in Russia, liberals in America have created desolate areas where the harm from their bombs (social programs) manifests itself as crime, hopelessness and generational poverty.
In an article written over 20 years ago Time magazine touched upon an issue that seemed epic at the time during the era of crack cocaine:
“…No one seriously thought the inner city could be transformed overnight. But few were cynical enough to envision what actually happened: an entire generation would pass as life in the black ghettos of a rich nation went from bad to almost unimaginably worse.
‘You tell me what went wrong,’ asks Jonas Walker, 33, at the end of another long summer’s day of hanging out on a street corner in Liberty City, a ghetto north of downtown Miami. ‘We got civil rights, we got welfare,’ he says. ‘But look around here.’ For emphasis, he kicks at a pile of empty beer cans littering the sidewalk.”
The emphasis added in the quote is mine and America’s current crisis is interrelated with the plight of urban area. The current situation in America’s poor neighborhoods illustrates the perpetuity of this downward spiral.
Johnson’s “Great Society” included historic civil rights advances but history has shown that Democrats have a tendency to attach riders to any attempts toward racial progress. Welfare and other social programs like subsidized housing created a dependency on the government that has crippled the ability of these urban areas to survive.
For instance, subsided housing provided by the government – commonly known as the “projects” – sprung up all over America after civil rights advances. Poor minorities were told where to live, how many to a household while the government doled out just enough money to keep some of the building from falling apart. During this same period a number of organizations inspired by the Cloward Pivan Strategy sprang up with the intent to add even more people to the welfare rolls.
“Cloward-Piven is a strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis.
The strategy was first proposed in 1966 by Columbia University political scientists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven as a plan to bankrupt the welfare system and produce radical change. Sometimes known as the ‘crisis strategy’ or the ‘flood-the-rolls,’ bankrupt-the-cities strategy,” the Cloward-Piven approach called for swamping the welfare rolls with new applicants – more than the system could bear. It was hoped that the resulting economic collapse would lead to political turmoil and ultimately socialism.”
As the health care debate rages on across the country, American are waking to the realization that the same people who tested those social programs on minorities and the poor are now poised to unleash their new “test to the system” on a national scale. Bill and Hillary Clinton allowed their activist connections to influence their decisions on the Community Reinvestment Act and Universal Health care in the 90′s. Now, the first community organizer to become President has employed strategies and tactics that can be traced to the early organizing of the welfare movement.
If the state of America’s urban areas is any indication, most of the money for these so-called social programs never reached the people it was intended to help. This raises the question as to why, after 40 years of attempts to fix one sector of America’s population, do liberals think that more failed programs are the answer? The answer may lie in the fact that the opportunity that liberals see on the horizon only comes once in a generation, and they are attempting a drastic social change.
Poverty is big business and a predicate for class warfare intended to perpetuate political power in the masters of that big business. In the current climate special interest groups are writing bills and influencing votes amid a huge liberal spending binge. People have tolerated the blighted urban areas; some lived there, while others drove by. But can America afford a fallout area that covers most of the country? Can we bounce back after the failed public healthcare system joins the graveyard of welfare, social security, cash for clunkers and so many others?
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Power is not enough; DOMINATION is their goal!
Cybergeezer on August 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM
What is given at no cost is rarely as cherished as that which is earned.
coldwarrior on August 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM
It is not just the politicians. . . .
Skandia Recluse on August 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Liberals use the poor the way the Arabs use the Palestinians. Their “plight” is used to push a political agenda, not to genuinely try to help them out of their situation.
Wethal on August 29, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Leftists have to keep promoting the idea to poor minorities that social justice is just over the horizon if we can just beat back the demon white collar, white man capitalists. Without this mass illusion working for them, leftists become toothless and retreat back to the dark corners of academia to dream up new methods of power grabbing. It’s the biggest tragic lie there is.
Fletch54 on August 29, 2009 at 9:44 AM
The liberals don’t understand that there are just some things you can’t give people, they have to find it for themselves.
DFCtomm on August 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM
The liberal agenda can only be pushed so far especially in this new era of political “awakening” amongst the population. More and more people are starting to see that Obamacare is the catalyst for an Obamanation.
It ain’t never going to happen. There are millions of unorganized but at the ready “Minutemen” who are just waiting for the signal to restore the Republic.
Keep it up Liberals and you will have even more in common with the Dodo.
Guardian on August 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM
This is a great post, Anita. Well done.
I couldn’t possibly agree with this statement more.
myrenovations on August 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM
The American dream is the freedom to earn any job you want or deserve. The ladder of success creates good citizens, brings self reliance and there is no glass ceiling in this country.
Sitting around and waiting for good times to drop on your doorstep is going to get you nowhere. Thinking that the Democrats are going to give you anything just proves that you are even a bigger sap.
Hening on August 29, 2009 at 9:47 AM
We are in the middle of the leftist’s version of the invasion of Normandy.
Newspapers and the media have gone into full blown leftist mode, at the threat of their own peril.
Obama will not tack center, but will instead double down, create more crises, and further their agenda.
They can’t turn back now. Obama is a 1 termer. The newspapers may not last another 5 years.
faraway on August 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I was on the “L” in Chicago going to Oak Park a few years ago, and passed an entire area of brand new “attached” two-story brick apartments which were public housing. They weren’t a year old, yet at least four of the ten facing the train tracks had plywood boarding up their windows and smoke scarring the exterior where they’d been burned out. These were housing units costing the taxpayers over $100,000 EACH.
I have never understood why an entire demographic of citizens gets a free ride from the government for life. Of course, giving free stuff to idiots guarantees the givers get to stay in power in Washington, so I guess I just answered my own question.
bradley11 on August 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Amen.
In the 1990s, I worked as an associate at a large law firm that offered its associates as volunteers for the local bar association’s volunteer-lawyers-for-the-poor program. The worst clients I ever worked for were those I was assigned through the VLP program. Because they were getting the service for free, they had no qualms with calling daily about matters that took time to address. No matter how many times I had to explain the slow wheels of the probate process or the guardianship process, they felt free to waste my time continually.
A colleague of mine once made a great comment about the VLP program: “If the VLP program charged these people only a dime an hour, it would help. Anything to make them to think twice before calling rather than treating us as if we are their personal servants.”
BuckeyeSam on August 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Great article.
Redhead Infidel on August 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM
This is where I want to raise my children.
Because the libs have created a near utopia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM
TheSitRep on August 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Great article, Anita. From a post on another thread this morning, which equally applies here:
TXUS on August 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM
This is a perfect example why black cimmunities should learn their history and stop voting democrat!!!!!.. Democrats have been the enemy to them not the saviors. Not only do they have no idea that MLK was a republican but, they think racist LBJ gave them civil rights because he went to the floor and screamed at congress to pass the bill. He is quoted in calling them uppity negroes and only wanted to shut them up. They also, don;t know their history that the beloved Kennedy’s in 1957 were against ANY civil rights legislation. That Teddy voted against 1964 civili rights until he saw the ship sinking and jumped on board to suit his political position. The bill passed w/82% republicans to 64% democrats.
Maybe they should be more concerned in keeping their constituents in school to learn CORRECT history instead of rewritten history of the democrats.
This has been going on for years to keep the poor lower and to eventually rid the country of middle class to gain ABSOLUTE POWER. That is what has been happening systematically in this country for 40 + years.
This current admin is openly destroying the middle class that is the control in this country for it’s final solution!
xler8bmw on August 29, 2009 at 9:56 AM
I see a bailout for the lib newspapers in the future.
farright on August 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Or as New Orleans’ Neville Brothers called them in the title song from their great 1990 album “Brother’s Keeper”:
“Institutionalized government ghettos”.
Del Dolemonte on August 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM
The lib tree hugging do gooders have made more money on the backs of the poor.. They give a dime & steal a dollar..
1luckydogg on August 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Look at what they have done for the City of Chicago. Mad skill, I tell you, mad skill.
bloggless on August 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM
“Poverty is not simply a matter of being unable to buy certain things. It’s about buying the wrong things, or the things that nobody else wants.…It’s about having sneakers that fall apart the third time you drive to the basket, shoes held together with adhesive tape, shirts that start out as XLS but end up as Mediums the first time they’re laundered.…It’s about bad diets, bad teeth, bad feet, bad playgrounds, bad parents, bad attitudes.…Poverty is a lifestyle, a philosophy, a modus vivendi, an agglomeration of bad habits, which is why nobody who has ever been poor physically stops being poor emotionally.”
Joe Queenan in “Closing Time: A Memoir”
Tantor on August 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Public housing does more than any of the other programs to destroy cities.
forest on August 29, 2009 at 10:06 AM
So Black America what is the endgame?
http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2009/08/29/so-black-america-what-is-the-endgame/
izoneguy on August 29, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Obama adviser shapes city housing policy
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-cha-habitat-sunday-06-jul06,0,1187978.story
izoneguy on August 29, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Barry plans to take the NYT from Sulzberger and give it to the Communication Workers of America, leaving the girly man liberal in a Pinch.
bayview on August 29, 2009 at 10:08 AM
This presidency is about social justice = Raparations!
What they fail to understand is this country was built on “Equal Opportunity NOT Equal Results”!
xler8bmw on August 29, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Precisely the same thing occurred in England during the 50s and 60s, with much the same results.
However, the difference was that it was white people who were herded into the ghettos, and given massive amounts of welfare.
It isn’t the colour – it’s the mentality, and it cannot be changed. The only option is to not allow that mentality to rule, by not providing the wherewithal.
Don’t allow them, as BuckeyeSam points out, to treat you as personal servants.
Maggie Thatcher knew this, and tried to something about it – before being stabbed in the back by cowards.
OldEnglish on August 29, 2009 at 10:15 AM
I don’t know if you have noticed or not, but for the last 40 years the public schools have been shoving as many black children as possible into special education. The parents don’t mind because they hear the word “services” and think that the kids are going to get special treatment, when in reality lots of special education classrooms have the children watching game shows and coloring, not learning.
The child, once in special ed, will always be stuck with whatever label the school attached to him/her and it is almost impossible to get out of special education once one has been pushed into it. Some schools try to be careful about only labeling kids special ed with testing, but most schools make the testing fit what the teachers are claiming.
We cannot expect these children to learn their history and change their own path if we are allowing the government run schools to beat them down from fourth grade onward.
myrenovations on August 29, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Your post reminded me of an old Wall Street story. In the early 1900′s a foreign visitor was being shown around NYC and was taken to one of the yacht clubs and told, “Those are all the stockbrokers’ yachts”. The foreigner then asked, “Where are all the customers’ yachts?”
It’s the same thing with the administrators of these programs. They tend to be lower-middle class and middle class and live in decent neighborhoods, while the people they supposedly “help” live in squalor and despair. It’s a complete scam.
venividivici on August 29, 2009 at 10:17 AM
More evidence from New Orleans via WSJ
still. . .
. . . and
nothing changes. . .as someone once posted here on HotAir, when living under a paternalistic, socialistic government, citizens end up fighting over scraps from the dear leaders dinner table.
Skandia Recluse on August 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Valerie Jarrett Named Senior Obama Slum Lord Adviser
http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2Y2ZTlhNzAxYjU3ZDkxZTA4YjRhYzQxNzkxYTBjZjA=
izoneguy on August 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM
I’ve had similar experiences volunteering. People always put a higher value on goods or services if they’ve had to pay some of their own money to get them.
Liberals are always saying they’d like to see fewer abortions (we know that’s not really true, but they think it sounds good). If they really wanted to accomplish that, they would stop giving abortion services away for free. Many poor women use abortion as a form of after-the-fact birth control. If they knew in advance that it was going to cost them — even if it was only $50 or $100, I bet you’d see a lot fewer abortions.
AZCoyote on August 29, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Obama and the Big Scam
http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/2007/04/obama-and-big-scam.html
izoneguy on August 29, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Why look to D.C. look at the South Side of Chicago where Obama was a community organizer.
The Progressives honestly believe they are bigger than nature – their god-little g. They believe they can re condition humans into their vision of what humans should be. That’s crap, they can’t, human beings are hard wired. I guess if they manage to kill off the traditionalist with rationing health care, they can break down societal glue. The thought being rebuilding with NO social traditions just slavery to the State (sacrifice for the common good)SEE National DEBT. The individual with rights has to disappear for what they want to work. So this health insurance reform that shifts health care to illegals away from the elderly who paid into the system the elderly are vulnerable they need health care. The same elderly who are passing on American Tradition and vote Conservative. Most Americans get that the Progressives want to RULE not GOVERN.
When Senator Obama asked General Patraeus in the Senate hearings about Iraq, can we leave it a mess “ghetto” and call it a success? The same will be the case for the above photo, it will be touted as a success…it’s all about vantage point, and who’s eyes your looking out of….uh think progress or at least think like a progressive LOL!
Dr Evil on August 29, 2009 at 10:21 AM
buckeye sam: i worked at Legal Aid when i was in law school (which i paid for myself). the point was that the poor couldn’t read, etc & were often taken advantage of by the big slumlords.
however, these tenants didn’t understand why they were evicted because they hadn’t paid their rent in 6 mos. they simply didn’t understand. i was appalled.
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Spot on excellent.
Josiah on August 29, 2009 at 10:23 AM
The libs need the poor to stay poor and uneducated. If they are not poor they do not have their vote. If they are educated they have to work harder for their vote. Every election cycle the libs hold out a bigger carrot than the one they promised the previous election cycle and woo the poor with empty promises like “hope and change”. Ask anyone of them what “hope and change” consists of and I gurantee you none of them will have the first clue. All they hear is how they are going to get more for voting for them. It is the saddest thing but remarkably IT WORKS.
milwife88 on August 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM
also, when i sometimes comment on lib blogs about these cradle to grave welfare (social programs) recipients, the libs respond: how can you deny these poor people basic needs like food, shelter, services.
we all need to be strong enough to say: because these damn people don’t work or contribute to society in anyway. no one in their family does.
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM
First flaw, you assume that the liberal democrats WANT the problem solved. They do not.
When a democrat says that their law/scheme/con is to assist the poor they actually mean it is to gain more control over the poor.
jukin on August 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM
This is just what Obama, his Czars, advisors and his Statist group of cohorts in Congress want. The more we look and have to survive as a Third World Country, the better they like it. This has been their goal, to bring greedy Americans to their knees. And it appears it’s working! Thanks to all you Obama voters, they and you’ve achieved your goals. We no longer have racism in this country, right? And how’s that “Hope & Change” you voted for working out?
Hobbes on August 29, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Not enough people are saying this kind of stuff. A few of the big on-air talkers mention it, but the absolute disconnect that goes on between intention and reality is mind boggling. Of course, I realize that what motivates a lot of the tongue-biting is fear that one will be labeled heartless, or racist, or something worse.
I’ve spent years really trying to deconstruct the heart of these liberal policies. Ironically, I used to be a liberal myself, back in college when I was angry at the world and thought too highly of myself. But I’m still floored trying to understand what motivates someone over the age of 30, who has a job, a family and responsibility to still think this way. Or worse, set laws and policies that affect millions of lives, predicated on such nonsense. A fundamental misunderstanding of human nature is the best I can surmise. Liberals on the whole are not evil, they’re just wholly ignorant and foolish, and want to be told they’re better than the rest because they have such open hearts, open minds and open arms. But it’s just puffed-up ego-baiting.
Not to mention severe myopia. They want to be counted for their compassion, for their outlook, but discounted when these ideas end up being no better than some scumbag-owned check-cashing store. Ignore the failures please, they say, look at the intentions! They point to social security, without seeing the nearly bankrupt ponzi scheme that also gave us identity theft. Asinine fatuity.
And they apparently will never understand that when you repeatedly give people stuff for free, it’s never received with grace, thanks or humility. It breeds greed and laziness and contempt. Now THAT’S human nature for you. As a nice little microcosmic example, go over to itunes and look at the free song of the week. There are always a bunch of people who b!tch to Apple about it, i.e. “Come on itunes! Where’s the good music!”
Compassion is a good and godly necessity to a broken and dying world. But breeding stupidity and slavish obedience to handouts is from the pit of hell. Period.
somewhatconcerned on August 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM
They had a women on a clip on one of the news outlets…she was saying Obama’ is going to pay my mortgage, Obama is going to pay for my gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
Dr Evil on August 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Dems just want to expand the cookie jar so that the beggars continue to be dependant on them for more cookies.
thomasaur on August 29, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Could you clarify, Kelley, whether they didn’t understand that they were being evicted for not paying their rent, or whether it was because they didn’t understand why they should have to pay rent at all?
OldEnglish on August 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Society couldn’t be more wrong about the typical inner city ghetto dweller and his/her real wishes. The typical inner city ghetto dweller likes the ghetto. They like the fact that they can go through life without working. That the males spend most of their day drinking, doing drugs or the number 1 pastime, making babies with one of their many unmarried “ho’s”.
The women have kids like a cash crop. The more the higher the welfare payment. It’s inter-generational. It’s simple laziness.
Look at the ghetto itself. Drive through one (during the day only!) and you’ll see it’s street after street of the city dump. Garbage strewn everywhere. The excuse. Well they’re poor!”. Too poor to bend down and pick up the empty Schlitz Malt Liquor can?! People were poor during the depression, they didn’t use their yards as a public dump.
The FINAL proof of all of this. What does a “ghetto dweller” do the first time they move out of the ghetto into some older dropping home value suburb. They start throwing garbage on other peoples property and make where they’re living look like their own “little piece of the ghetto”.
It’s just an excuse to be lazy and act like a pig your whole life.
Jeff from WI on August 29, 2009 at 10:35 AM
OldEnglish on August 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM
MY bet is that they felt entitled
CWforFreedom on August 29, 2009 at 10:35 AM
BTW-at the local housing projects here on the southern coast of Georgia, which are ALL black, illegal Mexicans are hired by the government’s property managers to keep the places painted and lawns mowed. It’s too much like work for the residents.
A perfect example of “Doing the work American’s won’t do”.
bradley11 on August 29, 2009 at 10:36 AM
What’s additionally sad about this is many kids shouldn’t be in these programs and even if they’re only there for a year or two, the other kids will always remember this and label them “retards.” That label will stick.
perroviejo on August 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Dr Evil on August 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Kind of like this chick. This was funny to me. BTW: she looks like she is smuggleing 2 bald me in her top.At least by the end of this clip she kind of “gets it”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9SPdh4Nzy4
milwife88 on August 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM
no CW: these persons simply didn’t understand that they had to pay rent. they were uneducated. they couldn’t read the lease. you would think that common sense would tell them that they had to have a quid pro quo, but they didn’t have that much savvy.
these people were truly dumb. and they begat another generation. and another. and another. Richmond is full of them.
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Yes, that was my experience in England, too.
OldEnglish on August 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I must say, the GR is producing some excellent work. Doc Zero is quite a catch, and so are the rest of you author’s.
Bravo Anita, great work…
Keemo on August 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Pray for this nation and do not miss an opportunity to take what you are learning and let D.C. and those around you know what those facts are.
It is a challenging time in our history, but we must not be defeated by such challenges. Act. Write, email, townhall, call. In the action of protest, with the facts that are being revealed to you, you will alleviate this frustration. Don’t sit and piss and moan. Make sure you are being heard.
God may see all, but that doesn’t mean we get to sit on our hands.
In Liberty.
pjean on August 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM
The public housing web site here in south Georgia states there’s only one thing that will keep you out of living in public housing: selling dope.
Three specific things that will NOT disqualify anyone from living there are more telling: (1) If you don’t have a job (2) If you’re not looking for a job (3) If you’re not going to job training.
In other words, you can be a permanent drag on society and “come on down”.
bradley11 on August 29, 2009 at 10:40 AM
kelley in virginia
Wow that is crazy
Do they not simply think they are entitled to something then in exchange for just being?
CWforFreedom on August 29, 2009 at 10:41 AM
when i was in the property/casualty insurance sales business, we had what we called a “pride in ownership” theory about poor housing.
poor people lived in what we might call a shack, but they kept the entire area sparkling clean, painted & repaired up to their financial abilities. we were always able to sell these properties to the ins. company so they would insure them.
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 10:41 AM
What mentality or background would someone have to have to live that way?
Oh wait, how about decades of training by the left?
CWforFreedom on August 29, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Liberals don’t teach personal responsibility, remember it takes a village :) Then throw in some moral relativism, the establishment created the problem so these poor people don’t know any better. Human Beings are not equipped to behave like Humans? That doesn’t even square.
Liberals want to feel pity for the poor it makes them feel superior, that is why the cycle exist. They want to feel superior which is why the eugenics advisers to the President is so predictable. They don’t want the unwashed masses using up their natural resources remember they worship their god -little g “mother nature”
Hillary Clinton told the Indians when she visited India that their Green Building was tied directly into population control she didn’t understand why people couldn’t see the connection. We see it Hillary, we just don’t share your world view. Humans bad reduce Humans.
Dr Evil on August 29, 2009 at 10:42 AM
CW: there are dumb people in this world. really. my brother was in the army for 20 years. he saw alot of young, dumb enlisted “children” (as he called them).
most of this “dumb”ness could be solved with going to school. but these people go to public school in the inner cities. need i say more?
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Hey – it is not results that count. It is your nobel intentions, whilst you fritter away other people’s money.
In “Parliament of Whores,” PJ O’Rourke observed that you can’t solve poverty by giving poor people money.
That was 20 years ago
johnboy on August 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM
even today, i see uneducated people here in rural Virginia who know more about how to game the social services system but cannot read the newspaper–the local paper, not the wall street journal.
this is the knowledge they pass to their children.
kelley in virginia on August 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Collectivist leaders don’t really care how their citizens live, as long as the leaders have the power and wealth.
North Korea is not a failed socialist state. It is a perfected one.
tbrosz on August 29, 2009 at 10:47 AM
somewhatconcerned on August 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM
What you said…….
Robert17 on August 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Who would have more power in a nation where most were poor the Dems or Pubs? If most did well then who?
What is the incentive?
CWforFreedom on August 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I prefer the Clower-Pliskin strategy.
As in Jerry Clower-Snake Pliskin
quax1 on August 29, 2009 at 10:51 AM
This link has photo of John Edwards home 28,000 square feet I don’t even want to try and compute his carbon foot print…but he was bigger than Obama when it came to class warfare. Why would anyone fall for this line as late as 2009. Who hasn’t figured out the Government isn’t going to save you? The Government bureaucracy is after your sweat equity “through taxes” they really don’t want to share it with the great unwashed hordes – called underprivileged and marginalized, by them, when there is a political campaign of any import.
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3848
Dr Evil on August 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Thanks for the optimism Anita.I guess we’ll see crumbling hospitals,broken machines(mri,cat,eeg,ekg etc.),rat infested kitchens and decaying carcasses in the halls soon.But don’t worry the gov’t is working hard to correct things.
tim c on August 29, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Is that you Nugene?
thomasaur on August 29, 2009 at 10:57 AM
The Blacks in LA might well ask, after voting over and over for the likes of Waters and Watson, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT?
GarandFan on August 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
They don’t solve problems,
They would lose power, money.
Call them Poverty Pimps.
Haiku Guy on August 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Someone explain the difference between the Cloward-Pivan strategy of creating economic collapse by flooding the welfare rolls and Manson’s strategy of starting a race war by slaughtering White people and making it look like Black people did it? Both plans are embarrassingly loony.
EMD on August 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
My eyes were opened on this topic when I read Theodore Dalrymple’s books. I highly recommend “Life at the Bottom: The Worldview that makes the Underclass”. In it, he talks about the attitudes of the poor that keeps them in the ghettos and how misguided the progressives are. One example is how the poor are very unhealthy because they spend what little money they have on fast food. It would be cheaper to cook meals at home, and certainly the welfare moms have the time to cook since they don’t work. It had nothing to do with money or ability. Just laziness and entitlement. It was sad to read about how they would just throw a bag of chips at their kids whenever they were hungry.
CityFish on August 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Barry and the Dem politicians will pay for your food and rent, and in return they want your soul.
bayview on August 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I’m not quite sure about this thread. I definitely agree that many of the social welfare programs have the reverse consequence of keeping people from moving forward in life. That’s true, even, of unemployment insurance. I have friends who simply can’t see the virtue of getting a job when the UI check is close to the same as what they would earn.
However, I also can’t see the plight of the poor in the same perspective as many conservatives here. I do think that programs that provide for children and focus on addressing core issues, such as addiction, are well worth our tax dollars.
The project housing didn’t work. Nobody disputes that at this stage. I think permanent welfare was a bad idea, but that’s been corrected. Unfortunately, many people who probably are permanently poor switched support systems. Now, it’s disability payments.
There are no global solutions. Yet, I don’t think we can stop trying.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I think there are a lot of depression problems going on in that group.
The lifestyle leads to a lack of self-care.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Also, those who suggest that this is about power puzzle me. This particular group, the poor, do not vote much. It’s a fool’s game if it’s about votes.
So, I don’t buy that one.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Sometimes, politicians truly are so used to wealth and power that they do not relate at all to middle-class or poor people. But I don’t think that is a given.
It’s rather obvious that most politicians are backed by huge family fortunes, but that’s in large part due to the cost of campaigning.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
No problem. I’ll just employ my mad Fallout3 skills and trek through the wasteland full of super muta…. liberal ghouls.
Yakko77 on August 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I am also concerned about the burgeoning prison system. So many of these blight areas are rife with drugs/dealers/etc. And many of these young residents either end up dead or imprisoned.
That is reaching a clear tipping point. States cannot even pay for all the prison space. Our law and order swing has plunged us into a real financial problem.
In CA, prosecutors are using the 3 strikes law to stuff their resumes with convictions. Meanwhile, the Feds have stepped in. Either correct the overcrowding or else.
Just putting people into prison isn’t really a workable social program.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Anyway, there are no easy solutions. And we’ll never be free of all poverty in this country.
However, we do need to watch the numbers. We can’t survive as a country if we relegate huge numbers to that life.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM
So on the one had social programs are a complete disaster. But they have good intentions so we should keep them.
Ann, once again you deliver.
angryed on August 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Virtually everything about liberalism falls into that category of having good intentions but the results almost always cause more chaos than not.
Yakko77 on August 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM
This is a society, not utopia. Conservative programs often fail, too.
I guess we keep the best and discard the rest.
What’s wrong with that?
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM
libs destroyed education, social security, medicare, medicaid, amtrak, usps. They also locked up tens of millions of people into a virtual prison of poverty.
But they’ll run health care efficiently.
angryed on August 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Nonsense. The liberal program that sent veterans to school on the GI Bill after WWII was a fabulous success, just to name one.
We launched an entire generation of moving up via education with one bold stroke.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM
When will the American People, particularly African Americans wake up and see that these socialist policies never work? Anywhere in the world! There is no substitute for individual freedom and free markets and individual responsibility. But even when a guy like Cosby says it, he gets booed. Seems to me we have plenty of teachable moments in this story, but obviously many people don’t want to be taught. There are many properous African Americans in this country. Why instead of pushing people toward liberals and dependence do they not espouse the same principles that made them prosperous? The libs have caused many people to become dependent on govt., live in subsistance housing with subsistance food, live in idleness and crime ridden streets, give up on the promise of America, drop out, break up their marriages, abort their children (thereby reducing their numbers and political clout — even SCOTUS justice Ginsberg lamented that Roe didn’t result in more “abortions among undesirables”). Beck had a great chart showing that where Republicans rule the whole population is better off. But almost all the most depressed cities in the U.S. are ruled consistently by liberal democrats.
Christian Conservative on August 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM
What is a “conservative program”? No such thing. Only govt prgrams are enacted by do-good idiot libs.
I guess maybe the Medicare prescriptoin drugs can be a “conservative program”, even though there is nothing conservative about it. But since it was a Bush thing, I’ll give you that much. But guess, what? It has worked very well.
angryed on August 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Conservatism is against honoring military service with education benefits and such?
Yakko77 on August 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM
One more bit of evidence, from the Washington Post, an opinion/lament from a teacher on why she was giving up. 347 comments.
Only once have I ever read any rational to explain why so many students fail to learn. Among the academics the argument quickly devolves into minutia over method, technique, and philosophy. Only once was it stated that one problem, of many, was the hostility of teenage gang members who refuse to learn, who refuse to submit to white man’s education.
Sure it is a complex problem with many factors, but what is being done to fix the problem isn’t working.
In the HBO TV Series “John Adams” there is a scene where John Adams, as President, descends into the slums of New York to find his son. I have no way to judge the accuracy of the event as depicted in the series.
Skandia Recluse on August 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM
And with that we inflated college education to the point where it can cost well over $100K to get a BA. Ann, you are making our case for us. The govt gave free college to everyone. And everyone took it, whether they truly needed it or not.
And what you have now is a generation of people who go to college and can’t read or write properly when they get out. Today, a college degree is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago. And you have millions of 22 year olds with $100K of debt graduating and earning $35K a year.
YEAY LIBERALS!! You rock!!
angryed on August 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Conservatism is against honoring military service with education benefits and such?
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM
So you would have preferred that college remained only the dream of the elite?
You and I will never see eye-to-eye on much of anything.
AnninCA on August 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM
What about faith-based and non-church community poverty programs staffed and run by local volunteers, with donated materials, and financed with private contributions?
Loxodonta on August 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM
I grew up in Brooklyn – on the edges of East New York and saw what happened in the 70′s. Abandoned buildings, arson, destruction, the NYC blackout looting of a once thriving shopping area – Pitkin Ave. In effect it became a liberal fallout zone.
hotdax on August 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I had the exact same experience. The calls from pro bono clients who didn’t pay for, and therefore didn’t respect, the lawyer’s time were constant, usually rambling, and frequently morphed into requests for the lawyer to handle a litany of other non-legal problems. We finally were forced to switch the focus of our pro bono practice.
LASue on August 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM
The slavery and bigotry of liberal welfare prgrams and low expectations. The Democrat Plantation.
Jaibones on August 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM
So the non-violent way to stop these people is to tough it out until Nov. 2010? 0bama manufactures a constant stream of crises well before then, business mortgage failures, the FCC “diversity czar” eliminates all anti-0bama radio and TV. J Rockefelller’s bill lets 0bama shut off anti-0bama criticism on the internet.etc. Then Nov 2010 gets further and further away… Then what?
GeneSmith on August 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM
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