Will there be a “Wellstone effect” in Kennedy remembrances?

posted at 2:19 pm on August 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Commentators looking at the various angles of political funerals have understandably latched onto one of the most notorious, but don’t recall exactly why it became so.  Politico reports that the apparent politicization of Ted Kennedy’s death has led conservatives to warn about (and perhaps to hope for) the “Wellstone effect,” which would drive voters to Republicans.  However, that ignores the elements that made the Wellstone memorial so outrageous, as well as the timing that made it so relevant:

While most prominent Republicans stuck Wednesday and Thursday to sober condolences — and several Republican operatives said it was too early to accuse Democrats of politicizing a sad moment — the conservative media, as well as some operatives, has seized on the whiff of politicization of his passing, recalling the bitter charges and countercharges that followed Sen. Paul Wellstone’s (D-Minn.) memorial service in 2002.

That service, a sometimes boisterous rally that included calls to carry on Wellstone’s political legacy and some catcalls for Republican speakers, turned the memorial into a central campaign issue, and many observers think the still-disputed event helped elect a Republican to fill his seat. …

Another leading conservative media figure, Sean Hannity, recalled the Wellstone memorial.

“Remember Paul Wellstone’s death? You know, ‘Let’s do everything for Paul.’ And we’re now being implored to get behind Obamacare because it’s what Ted Kennedy would have wanted,” he said, according to the liberal media monitor Media Matters, which is in turn suggesting that conservatives have crossed the line with allegations of politicization.

The H.S.A. Coalition, a lobbying group devoted to tax-free health savings accounts — championed by conservatives as a health care solution — warned supporters to “watch for the Wellstone effect.”

“The Democrats should remember their experience with the Sen. Wellstone funeral,” wrote the group’s president, Dan Perrin. “While I disagreed with almost everything Sen. Kennedy stood for, the MSM [mainstream media] subjecting the country to a Sen. Wellstone-type funeral experience, would be using him like a cheap suit.”

There is always a danger in waving the bloody shirt, of course.  Concocting a “do it for Teddy” campaign assumes that most people admired him, which may be an arguable proposition even now.  Hitching a bill to the memory of a politician for anything other than naming a building or an airport has a very limited appeal, especially on a bill as hotly contested already as ObamaCare.

But that wasn’t what made the Wellstone memorial so outrageous to Minnesotans.  Many people across the political spectrum felt saddened by his death, because Wellstone was seen as honest and open about his convictions, even if his politics were about as loopy as it got in the Senate.  During the memorial service, broadcast live to all Minnesotans just days before the mid-term elections, his allies in the DFL (the Minnesota version of the Democratic Party) went way beyond using it as a platform for Wellstone’s political point of view, which most if not all of us expected.  One of its chief organizers and speakers, Rick Kahn, demanded that Republicans drop out of the Senate race and concede it to Walter Mondale, who replaced Wellstone after his death.  He and other speakers berated Republicans who appeared at the memorial to pay their respects.  It was a complete disaster and offended many Minnesotans, and not just Republicans, for its mean-spiritedness and utter lack of graciousness.  Coming so soon before the election, it had an impact nationwide against Democrats, according to Mark Penn.

At least thus far, nothing proposed by the Kennedy family or by Democrats comes close to matching the crass spectacle of the Wellstone memorial.  The “do it for Teddy” meme is practically expected by voters, which is why it won’t have much effect; it’s too obvious a manipulation to work on anyone but the true believers, where it won’t count anyway.  The next election is not a few days away but fourteen months.  Even if speakers get out of hand at the service, which Democrats will probably work hard to prevent, the impact will have dissipated in a fortnight.

A “Wellstone effect” is probably nothing more than wishful thinking, but it’s equaled by the hope of a “Kennedy effect” on ObamaCare.  Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it, the memorial will have little impact on anyone except the mourners — which is exactly how it should be.

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I couldn’t believe the whitewashing all over cable news–even Fox– the morning of his death.

jgapinoy on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Ask not what a Dead Kennedy can do for you, but what you can do in the name of a Dead Kennedy.

portlandon on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Rush is talking about how expensive auto or home insurance would be if it covered routine things like tire changes, something I’ve been harping on for months.

I’ve been out of the loop all week, anyone know if that argument is making its way into any mainstream outlets?

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Even though I think lefties are intellectually challenged, I think they had to have learned their lesson from the Wellstone memorial and will not reapeat that mistake.

Besides, they are trying their best to make Ted seem like a great statesman, so the funeral will be a somber, serious reflection on the myth they are spinning.

myrenovations on August 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM

A “Wellstone effect” is probably nothing more than wishful thinking, but it’s equaled by the hope of a “Kennedy effect” on ObamaCare. Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it, the memorial will have little impact on anyone except the mourners — which is exactly how it should be.

It’s like you’re reading my mind, Ed. Seems a lot of us have been not only expecting the “Wellstone effect” with this, but as you say “wish” for it.

And chances are it will not happen. Granted, it’s an entirely different story regarding the healthcare bill…they’ll use Kennedy’s death and name to promote it. But that’s later.

JetBoy on August 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Ed, once again you are applying logic and a certain amount of “let’s be adult about this” analysis that simply doesn’t jibe with the facts.

The Democrats are lined up to sound the call to arms over the casket of their drink-sodden comrade. Everyone from Osama Obama — the “last Kennedy” — to various family members will call for all of us to bend over and take whatever the KGB stooge and murderer wanted.

Do you really credit the lefties with common decency and clarity of vision, or are you just trying to look judicious, Ed?

If it was up to me, his funeral would be a pull on a chrome handle, followed by the sounds of swishing water.

MrScribbler on August 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Democrats? Getting stupid? Pshaw!

Orange Doorhinge on August 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Unlikely? Unlikely!

Ed, you obviously don’t know liberals very well. They can’t help themselves. You just watch as the liberal orgy commences.

Let’s do it for Teddy!!!!

Captain America on August 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Liberals never seem to learn from their mistakes…it is possible.

Mr. Joe on August 28, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Wow, this is really into details.

Kennedy could have resigned 6 months ago, allowed the current law to work.

I think this business about reversing the law is about like adding vinegar to a sweet sauce. There is now balance.

It’s frankly so obviously partisan politics that nobody could mistake it.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Rush said today that the ratings for the Cable News Channels having Kennedy-a-thons are all tanking. Most of the country remember Mary Jo. Having a Wellstone moment will backfire for the Democrats.

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Ask not what a Dead Kennedy can do for you, but what you can do in the name of a Dead Kennedy.

portlandon on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM
You just gave Obama his opening remarks at Kennedy’s funeral.

fourdeucer on August 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Democrats just can’t help themselves. But, a lot of people are intrigued by the Kennedy family no matter where they stand with politics.

WyoMike on August 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

look, it exposed the priority of power that is what the wellstone disgrace was about. As for tomorrow, it will be much more somber, but the collective swoon from the media elites who will exploit the service and Obama’s eulogy to press an agenda they lost the argument over, is what will be the true disgrace.

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it

How implausible.

Jim Treacher on August 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I think this business about reversing the law is about like adding vinegar to a sweet sauce. There is now balance.

It’s frankly so obviously partisan politics that nobody could mistake it.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:27 PM

But they’ll probably change the law anyway. They don’t care.

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

The tax evasion goes on,

the hypocrisy endures,

the unmitigated gall lives,

and the supply of mindless fawning sheeple shall never die.

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

for the record I believe the media belief that Obama’s eulogy and their do it for Ted Coverage pre-supposes they have full control of the storyline and of events on the ground. Something the events of this summer have successfully dis proven.

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 2:32 PM

The ghouls of the left will certainly manage to turn the funeral of a sociopath into a truly jaw-dropping foray into human depravity, as they are want to do. As the scorpion said, “It is just my nature.”

progressoverpeace on August 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM

A “Wellstone effect” is probably nothing more than wishful thinking, but it’s equaled by the hope of a “Kennedy effect” on ObamaCare. Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it, the memorial will have little impact on anyone except the mourners — which is exactly how it should be.

Well, Ed, may you come to eat your words. Because liberalism is their religion, and this ceremony will feature their two high priests. I don’t know if they have tht much self- control.

And ffter all, Sarah Palin’s political career is over, as we all know.

BigD on August 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM

the hope of a “Kennedy effect” on ObamaCare

Here’s hoping ObamaCare follows Kennedy to the grave.

Kill the bill. Kill the bill. Kill the bill.

petefrt on August 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it, the memorial will have little impact on anyone except the mourners — which is exactly how it should be.

I will not be able to attend the funeral but I will be sure to send a nice card saying that I approve.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Excellent quote. So glad you’re back.

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM

and the supply of mindless fawning sheeple shall never die.

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

You could also go with:

“and our attempts to put in place statist policies which have been soundly disproven by facts shall never die.”

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Will Dodd commemorate with a ‘waitress sandwich’?

petefrt on August 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Ha! Don’t put anything past Team Obama! Any nit wit (Obama) who would attack the CIA while this nation is at war on several fronts would do ANYTHING for power – and if that means getting all wee weeded up over “Young Woman Killer” Kennedy – Team Obama and Rahm “The F-Word” Emmanuel would do it in a heartbeat!

Cinday Blackburn on August 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Massachusetts isn’t Minnesota. Minnesota is politically split, and is MidWest enough to imagine politics isn’t sacred. Booing somebody for coming to a memorial service, and chanting “WE WILL WIN” at a memorial service, is probably not as offensive to local voters in Boston as it was to Minnesotans.

Chris_Balsz on August 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Here’s my observation. Kennedy didn’t know Obama at all, personally.

And it’s fine to have the president give the Eulogy.

But seriously, would any of us really want someone who has such a political rather than personal connection giving our eulogy?

It’s just plain wierd.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it,

These days, that’s almost a given.

MarkTheGreat on August 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

you gotta admit, the space between stupid and where they start to get there is a very small space for a liberal democrat

DanMan on August 28, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Seriously, how many people are going to sit around the big screen and watch an extended funeral for some old blathering politician?

whitetop on August 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Rush is expecting something similar to Wellstone. He said that liberals can’t help themselves. The funeral will be a celebration of their religion (liberalism) and their Pope who has passed on.

Mallard T. Drake on August 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Rush is talking about how expensive auto or home insurance would be if it covered routine things like tire changes, something I’ve been harping on for months.

I’ve been out of the loop all week, anyone know if that argument is making its way into any mainstream outlets?

He’s right about that. All these industries are jacking up prices right now, and I’m guessing they’ll justify it from the political climate.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM

You could also go with:

“and our attempts to put in place statist policies which have been soundly disproven by facts shall never die.”

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Everything is fair as long as it goes to the Rotund Royalist’s own boilerplate of -

The work goes on,
the cause endures,
the hope still lives
and the dream shall never die

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

whitetop
not to many. it doesn’t matter anyway and the Do it for Ted push is more about comforting Democrats who know they have been whooped in the Health care debate.

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Whose up for a bet that Mathews gins up some tears for tomorrow?

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

It’s not weird at all and you know it. The Democratic Party are using the Eulogy as a way to push their agenda and try to pass Healthcare Reform. Having Chris Dodd do the Eulogy would not have the National Impact that having Obama do it will (they think). Unfortunately, “Win One for The Swimmer” will not produce the results they want.

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Rush is expecting something similar to Wellstone. He said that liberals can’t help themselves. The funeral will be a celebration of their religion (liberalism) and their Pope who has passed on.

Trust me. The GOP is no different. I live near Simi Valley, so I got to see the Reagan funeral.

omigosh

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

It’s not weird at all and you know it. The Democratic Party are using the Eulogy as a way to push their agenda and try to pass Healthcare Reform. Having Chris Dodd do the Eulogy would not have the National Impact that having Obama do it will (they think). Unfortunately, “Win One for The Swimmer” will not produce the results they want.

Well, my 2 cents only. They can try that, of course.

It won’t work.

People have already made up their minds about this reform bill. We’ve already got as much information as we need.

There’s not going to be a “game-changer” at this point.

As some of the posters know, I’m FOR public option. But I’m ready to give it up, too.

This bill is turning out to be welfare.

That’s not why I was ever for public option. And I’m not into defending ANY of the bills, including the compromise versions.

They are off-track.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Will Dodd commemorate with a ‘waitress sandwich’?

petefrt on August 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Which begs the question. Would it be a sandwich with only one slice of bread?

TXUS on August 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Here’s my observation. Kennedy didn’t know Obama at all, personally.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Yes he did.

http://tiny.cc/QLl02

Del Dolemonte on August 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Will there be a “Wellstone effect” in Kennedy remembrances?

If you mean will they be serving buttered popcorn (which they did at Williams Arena during the Wellstone rally) I would say probably not.

If you mean a liberal rally opportunity to spew the libs weak HC reform position, then I would say most definitely.

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

A “Wellstone effect” is probably nothing more than wishful thinking, but it’s equaled by the hope of a “Kennedy effect” on ObamaCare. Unless Democrats get very, very stupid about it, the memorial will have little impact on anyone except the mourners — which is exactly how it should be.

Stupid or not, they may not be able to help themselves. The MSM is already going over the top with little regard to the fact that the public doesn’t really much care.

When statism is your religion, it’s difficult to allow the passing of one of your saints without celebrating the church itself. The left has a tendency to let those celebrations get out of hand.

RadClown on August 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Did you guys see the Hillary statement?

It was truly a statement of nuance and terribly respectful.

It was the foam on my latte today.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Kennedy is the first big gun to endorse Obama. Obama owes his presidency to Kennedy and it is highly unlikely he will pass up the opportunity in the eulogy to not mention health care.

fourdeucer on August 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Trust me. The GOP is no different. I live near Simi Valley, so I got to see the Reagan funeral.
omigosh

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Ann, did you even see the Wellstone service”? Unlike that grotesque gathering, at President Reagan’s there were no screaming, outrageous, partisan speeches. There was no partisan chanting. There were no boos and jeers as Democratic leaders arrived.

Reagan’s services in both D.C. and CA, were dignified and non-partisan, befitting a man of true gravitas and character.

TXUS on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

CNN keeps gushing about how that’s one of his finest speeches ever. I don’t really see it.

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Trust me. The GOP is no different. I live near Simi Valley, so I got to see the Reagan funeral.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

The Reagan funeral was a testament to the best of Western civilization, class, and a deep respect for the life of a great man. It was deeply moving, not for political reasons, but for its demonstration of the respect for humanity. Reagan’s funeral should serve as an example to all.

progressoverpeace on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Trust me. The GOP is no different. I live near Simi Valley, so I got to see the Reagan funeral.

omigosh

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I saw the Wellstone memorial reaction from inside Minneapolis and I saw the Reagan funeral coverage in Southern California. I think you’re totally off-base in comparing them.

Reagan’s funeral can indeed be compared to a Papal burial–Reagan like a Pope was a former head of state, and his services were royal for that reason. It was reported that Bubba rewrote his will after witnessing the services to ensure he gets the same ceremony. It has nothing to do with a conservative ideology.

Reagan’s memorials had none of the rah-rah that Wellstone’s memorial is remembered for–and Wellstone’s services were sedate and respectful until the speeches started, which is one reason that memorial so shocked the state.

My recollection is the only person insulted by a speaker at Reagan’s service was George W. Bush. Anybody else remember otherwise?

Chris_Balsz on August 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM

As some of the posters know, I’m FOR public option. But I’m ready to give it up, too.

This bill is turning out to be welfare.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:49 PM

We’re slowly dragging you towards common sense.

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Rush said today that the ratings for the Cable News Channels having Kennedy-a-thons are all tanking. Most of the country remember Mary Jo. Having a Wellstone moment will backfire for the Democrats.

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Mary Jo Kopechne died in 1969, or 40 years ago. A substantial fraction of today’s voters were born after her death, and adding in those who were children at the time probably results in a majority.

The Kopechne accident also didn’t prevent Ted Kennedy from being re-elected to the Senate in 1970, 1976, 1982, 1988, 1994, 2000, and 2006. In 1970, most of the voters DID remember Mary Jo, but they didn’t care. He was JFK’s brother, and that was enough for Massachusetts.

Will there be a Wellstone effect? It depends on how those organizing the funeral handle it. If they try to use Kennedy’s funeral as a sounding board for ObamaCare, maybe. A voter can mourn the man without necessarily agreeing with his politics.

But those most likely to be hurt by ObamaCare are over 65–those whose Medicare benefits will be cut. All of them were already adults when Mary Jo Kopechne died. Those wanting to turn sympathy for Kennedy into support for ObamaCare do so at their own risk.

Steve Z on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Ann, did you even see the Wellstone service”? Unlike that grotesque gathering, at President Reagan’s there were no screaming, outrageous, partisan speeches. There was no partisan chanting. There were no boos and jeers as Democratic leaders arrived.

Reagan’s services in both D.C. and CA, were dignified and non-partisan, befitting a man of true gravitas and character.

No, I haven’t a clue about this story at all.

My only “take” on the entire Kennedy death is that Ted really was a great compromiser and forged a lot of excellent programs as a result. McCain wasn’t his friend for nothing.

However, this entire spectacle is really odd to me. I’m not from MA, obviously. But I found him also to be terribly sexist, and he got by with that.

I don’t like the Kennedy’s as “liberal” icons, because of the ridiculous and obvious sexism.

So I just ignored it all, to be honest.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

“Do it for Teddy” because he did it to you.

Whose up for a bet that Mathews gins up some tears for tomorrow?

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Chrissy is probably getting all we-weed up, thrills and tinkles aplenty running down his leg. It’s hard to believe that someone as moronic as Matthews can host a “news” analysis program with his “man-crush” on Obama and it not be treated as comedy. He’s like a 12-year old girl, for cryin’ out loud.

tpitman on August 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Whose up for a bet that Mathews gins up some tears for tomorrow?

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Down his tingling leg?

Steve Z on August 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Which begs the question. Would it be a sandwich with only one slice of bread?

TXUS on August 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

As long as you bend it over, but thats what libs like isn’t it.

farright on August 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM

CNN keeps gushing about how that’s one of his finest speeches ever. I don’t really see it.

BadgerHawk on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Is it as good as all of his other “finest speech evers”?

And is it possible for Obama to give a speech that ISN’T his/the finest ever, according to CNN?

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Steve Z on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

The Internet Search Engines have been getting a lot of request for information about Mary Jo. People who were too young to remember probably know more about her now.

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

My only “take” on the entire Kennedy death is that Ted really was a great compromiser and forged a lot of excellent programs as a result.

Kennedy was an outright traitor (trying to ally with the Soviets against Reagan) and his programs were designed to do nothing less than bring the same death for America that The Precedent and Washington junta are in an all-out effort to finish, now.

Kennedy’s legacy can be succinctly summed up in the words of a girl who went through one of his programs and even had Ted as a personal reading partner. She is heading off to college and said,

“I’ll be majoring at education.”

That is the death knell of our nation – a near-illiterate heading to education – and if Kennedy had his way we would be a third world nation.

McCain wasn’t his friend for nothing.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

McCain has emotional problems. McCain-Kennedy was the bill that best illustrated the unbelievable contempt that Congress held for the American people and for our nation. McCain-Kennedy marked the start of all these major fights between Washington and America that will probably end with the breakup of our nation.

progressoverpeace on August 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Alas…when you’re a socialist-democrat and an event such as this presents itself……control goes out the window.

There will be wailing, preaching, preening, imbibing and many stones will be cast toward George W., all in “rememberance” of Comrade Teddy K.

It is the way of the socialist-democrat.

joe btfsplk on August 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Has anyone heard if McCain is speaking tomorrow? If so he will give the libs cover on the “swimmer” worship.

farright on August 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Where’s the daily “New Low for Obama Post?”

Hannity is already on and I haven’t had the chance to bust on the One yet for a gratuitous poll nose dive. “Nose dives” are even more appropriate topics for discussion now that Teddy’s no longer taking a little splash at the local bahhh.

ted c on August 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Would it be a sandwich with only one slice of bread?

TXUS on August 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

That would make it an open faced sandwich, right?

Hold the gravy.

petefrt on August 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM

As long as you bend it over, but thats what libs like isn’t it.

farright on August 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM

LOL. But on HC and there other garbage, they want us to bend over.

TXUS on August 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I don’t like speaking ill of the dead. If judgement is made, it’s in Gods hands now. However, I hope no one makes a political platform at a memorial, or funeral. It’s vulgar, gross, and disgusting.

While I never liked Kennedy, for various reasons. This being one of them. http://sweetness-light.com/archive/kgb-letter-details-kennedy-offer-to-ussr

I won’t speak of my lack of respect for the man. He was a man who espoused his beliefs, but his methods, for going about making his beliefs become reality, leave a bad taste in my mouth. So I will leave it at that, and recommend the link highly. Kennedy wasn’t the saint he’s being painted out to be.

capejasmine on August 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM

There is no way they aren’t going to exploit the hell out of this. It may not rise to the level of lunacy that was present at the Wellstone debacle, but they WILL exploit this.

These people are socialists to the core. This is their big chance.

They aren’t about to pass it up.

Dave R. on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

progressoverpeace on August 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Well said.

Dave R. on August 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I trust people. There is not going to be too much of a
bump over sentimentality over Ted.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Is it as good as all of his other “finest speech evers”?

Well, I’m one who ignored it. I couldn’t care less. The two men didn’t even know one another much.

It’s strictly political drama.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM

If the ‘Rats think naming this thing after Crash Test Teddy is a good, then go ahead and make our day.

What harm could it do to label this debacle with the name of a noted drunken, philandering, cheating, Commie-negotiating, socialist who’s disliked in just about every part of the country apart from his native New England?

Reach…..reach……..reach…….

JoeinTX on August 28, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I live near Simi Valley, so I got to see the Reagan funeral.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Gulp, I live 5 miles from reagan library….

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Ask not what a Dead Kennedy can do for you, but what you can do in the name of a Dead Kennedy.

portlandon on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The Dead Kennedys never did much for me to begin with, so to hell with them. If we’re talking about the Sex Pistols or The Ramones, then OK.

RadClown on August 28, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I ax again…what the hell is in the water in MN?

Wellstone
Franken
Jesse The Body Ventura
Mondale

I mean come on people.

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Since The Precedent is giving the eulogy, who knows what he’ll say. I predict it’ll be more about him and his love of government than Sen. Kennedy. How long did he know Kennedy anyway? I’m sure they got very close in all that time The Precedent spent in the Senate serving with him. Oh wait… Do they allow telepromters in Catholic Churches? Won’t be watching in any case.

13thdistrictvoter on August 28, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I mean come on people.

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

On the positive side they have Michelle Bachman gaining national attention.

farright on August 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM

I ax again…what the hell is in the water in MN?

Wellstone
Franken
Jesse The Body Ventura
Mondale

I mean come on people.

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Humphrey, Dayton….

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Gulp, I live 5 miles from reagan library….

Trust me. We’re not on Match.com. We don’t even have to have a cuppa coffee. :)

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:59 PM

“Very unlikely”?

Uhmm………..Ed?

These are LEFTIST PROGRESSIVES we are talking about here.

They don’t live on the SAME PLANET with the rest of us.

It’ll be WORSE than the Wellstone memorial because while they had the Presidential election looming, their guy wasn’t doing all that badly in the polls and most were shocked when Bush won.

This time around? Their precious health care bills, especially the public option, are on life support.

THESE PEOPLE CAN’T HELP POLITICIZING STUFF.

IT’S THEIR NATURE.

Watch it on display.

They might restrain it for a full 30 minutes before it’ll come bursting to the forefront.

manofaiki on August 28, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Trust me. We’re not on Match.com. We don’t even have to have a cuppa coffee. :)

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Its more like a sibling rivalry thing…

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Maybe those offshore windmills have a chance now. To think that a Teddy Kennedy legacy of energy self-sufficiency should depend upon his death…

unclesmrgol on August 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Hey look at it this way, now that Teddy’s been sober for 2 days, maybe the price of ethanol will go down.

Iblis on August 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM

The “do it for Teddy” meme is practically expected by voters, which is why it won’t have much effect; it’s too obvious a manipulation to work on anyone but the true believers, where it won’t count anyway.

Yup.

Great post, Ed.

The Ugly American on August 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Yesterday, at the first instant Teddy’s casket was visible on screen, MSNBC (Ed Schultz) says “We must pass this healthcare bill for him”

faraway on August 28, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Am I the only one, who when they hear “…the body of Senator Kennedy lying in repose…”, to think that even in death ol’ Teddy can’t tell the truth?

As for the Wellstone comparisons, I don’t know if it will be as thunderous, but it will definitely be there. Obama has national broadcast networks openly refusing to air ads which counter the national health care insurance bill (or whatever it’s called now); and now with Senator Kennedy’s funeral, he will basically have free commercial airtime to make every promise (lie), pledge (deception) and vow (falsehood) he wants to try and pull the momentum of the debate back to his side. And I think it will be a big mistake. People will resent it (except for the Gregorian “Yes We Can” chanters), and it may be the straw that causes those who were sitting on the fence before to join the anti-nationalization movement.

Left Coast Right Mind on August 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM

“according to the liberal media monitor Media Matters, which is in turn suggesting that conservatives have crossed the line with allegations of politicization.”

Really?

Ted Kennedy died at or around 2:30 am. Aug 25 2009
Nancy Pelosi issued her “let’s pass health care” for Teddy at or around 2:30am Aug. 25 2009.

If not political can someone explain the Vulture like reaction of Pelosi/Dems to Teddy’s death?

Look for your self! An IR photo of Nancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_vulture2.jpg

DSchoen on August 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM

KennedyCare will just be salt in the wounds of the ‘conservatives’. Great stuff!!

simplesimon on August 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Many people across the political spectrum felt saddened by his death, because Wellstone was seen as honest and open about his convictions, even if his politics were about as loopy as it got in the Senate.

I’m tired of this line of reasoning.

Have you read Mein Kampf? Hitler was fairly “open and honest about his convictions.” NO, I’m NOT comparing the two men as men… I am arguing that merely having solid “convictions” isn’t necessarily something to be admired.

Be saddened for other reasons (family, friends, nice guy, etc…), but let’s leave out the “open and honest” bit.

mankai on August 28, 2009 at 4:39 PM

KennedyCare will just be salt in the wounds of the ‘conservatives’. Great stuff!!

simplesimon on August 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Ironically, ‘salt in the wound’ will be the only available treatment that is covered by KennedyCare. But only if it’s margarita salt.

Left Coast Right Mind on August 28, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Somehow I doubt that Eastern blue-bloods will allow a Wellstone redux. They will have a tight grip on things.

That being said, it’s time to put up a banner across the TV screen for the weekend: “What about Mary Jo…?”

ObjectionSustained on August 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Ask not what a Dead Kennedy can do for you, but what you can do in the name of a Dead Kennedy.

portlandon on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Well for starts, you could buy more of their albums!

pilamaye on August 28, 2009 at 5:08 PM

ObamaCare tanked, if KennedyCare doesn’t work will they try ByrdKKKare?

Jeff from WI on August 28, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Truly..did anything good come out of Ireland?

Jeff from WI on August 28, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Also, back in 2002, Dems didn’t have MSNBC spending 24 hours a day shilling for them.

Speedwagon82 on August 28, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Ask not what a Dead Kennedy can do for you, but what you can do in the name of a Dead Kennedy.

portlandon on August 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

We have a winner.

paragon27x on August 28, 2009 at 5:23 PM

I think TK being Catholic (I won’t go into more than that) helps here as a Mass by nature doesn’t allow for the histrionics we saw at the Wellstone event.

I haven’t read comments, yet, but am I the only one who remembers the outrageous politicization of Rosa Parks’ service and how George W. Bush sat there and was insulted, most pointedly by Jimmy Carter?

I just looked up something because I’m the only one I’ve seen mention it (unless someone already has—if so, exactly!).


Thousands Pay Tribute to Coretta Scott King; Bush Policies Attacked

LITHONIA, Georgia (Reuters) – Speakers seized on the presence of
President Bush to attack his policies on Tuesday at the funeral of
Coretta Scott King, the first lady of the U.S. civil rights movement.

Jimmy Carter, one of four presidents to speak, took a jab at Bush’s
domestic eavesdropping program during six hours of sermons, speeches and
song for the late widow of Nobel peace laureate Martin Luther King Jr.,
assassinated in 1968.

~snip~

I watched both “services” and sat with jaw dropped (even though I know libs almost as well Rush knows every square inch of his glorious naked body, lol)

KittyLowrey on August 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

My recollection is the only person insulted by a speaker at Reagan’s service was George W. Bush. Anybody else remember otherwise?

Chris_Balsz on August 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM

By Ron the younger and it was the ONLY sour note (at any official venues, I recall media mentioning Iran/Contra, another topic the American people gave their verdict on long ago and it wasn’t what the establishment left/media decreed) as the days went by) in a week of dignity and respect and honor.

KittyLowrey on August 28, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Ultimately I think Kennedy’s death will only serve to boost support for Obamacare amongst liberal Democrats and little else. It will just provide that little bit more cohesiveness amongst liberal activists and give them something to rally around, although I seriously doubt that beyond the Obama’s AstroTurf brigade getting a little more vocal and showing up in greater numbers at Health care town halls we wont see much of a shift in the poll numbers on Obamacare as a result.

Hellrider on August 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM

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