Surprise! Youth employment rate hits record low

posted at 10:55 am on August 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Since 2007, Democrats have led the charge to increase the minimum wage in the US, claiming that the poor hadn’t gotten a fair shake from employers.  Nancy Pelosi and the late Ted Kennedy pushed hardest for mandating increases in wages despite warnings that the net effect would be to lower employment for teens and entry-level workers while creating inflationary pressures on prices, negating the gains through loss of buying power.  For the second year in a row, those predictions have come true:

The proportion of people ages 16 to 24 who were employed in July was 51.4 percent, the lowest July rate since records began in 1948 and 4.6 percentage points lower than in July 2008. …

The Labor Department said 4.4 million youths were unemployed in July 2009, or about 1 million more than in July 2008, putting the youth jobless rate at 18.5 percent, about double the overall national percentage.

Fewer young people were even trying to be part of the labor force this year than in recent years, perhaps choosing summer school, odd jobs around the house or idleness instead.

I hate to say I told you so, but … wait — no, I don’t.  I wrote about it in July 2008, when teen unemployment shot upwards even before the economy had really crashed, thanks to fewer opportunities as businesses created less jobs.  I’ve been writing about this for years here at Hot Air and at Captain’s Quarters, as it is a particularly frustrating political topic.  Minimum wage increases always have this effect, and yet politicians get away with pandering on this issue.

Last year, I interviewed David Neumark, who wrote the book Minimum Wages that also predicted this very avoidable consequence:

Based on their comprehensive reading of the evidence, Neumark and Wascher argue that minimum wages do not achieve the main goals set forth by their supporters. They reduce employment opportunities for less-skilled workers and tend to reduce their earnings; they are not an effective means of reducing poverty; and they appear to have adverse longer-term effects on wages and earnings, in part by reducing the acquisition of human capital. The authors argue that policymakers should instead look for other tools to raise the wages of low-skill workers and to provide poor families with an acceptable standard of living.

The unemployment picture this year would have been bleak for teens and young adults anyway.  However, hitting new 60-year lows could have been avoided, and could have prevented a summer of “idleness” and worse.  The only people who benefit from minimum-wage increases in the long term are the politicans who use them to pander on the stump.

Update: Wow – second time today I’ve had to fix a title.  Must … have … more… coffee.


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But I thought the Democrat Party geniuses told us that the law of supply and demand doesn’t apply here?

Could Democrats be wrong?

Of course, the real question is whether Democrats are ever right about anything and the simple, quick answer is: NO.

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Employment. Not unemployment.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Raising the minimum wage increased hope, reduces change.

ICBM on August 28, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Wrong title, Ed.

DrStock on August 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Yet the “yutes” are the ones who still support Obama. Go figure.

Doughboy on August 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM

It’s funemployment, remember?

Raising the minimum wage increased hope, reduces change.

ICBM on August 28, 2009 at 10:58 AM

+10

Mommypundit on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Hey Ed, fix the headline or DailyKos will quote it and say See I told you so.

Christian Conservative on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

So all these young people now have a higher percentage of, nothing? Progress!
no worries, they can always get a job with ACORN

JusDreamin on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Doughboy on August 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Well of course. Since government makes it impossible for them to find jobs. Government has to tax everyone else to support them.

It’s a feature not a bug.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Agree with lorien and drstock. Title needs to be changed.

krr on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Ed,
Fix your headline.
Get rid of the UN
Pun intended

crom on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I feel hope’n’changey!

yubley on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Ed,

Having trouble with the headlines this morning, are we?

Joe Caps on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Wrong title, Ed.

DrStock on August 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I guess, like the rest of us, Ed has a hard time conceptualizing “employment” these days when unemployment is about to go through the roof and the White House is in full denial of their failures.

highhopes on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Fix the title, hon

clnurnberg on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

As pointed out, Ed, you need to edit the title. But no dispute on the story itself. It’s ironic that the same youth who are in love with Obama are most hurt by this policy.

jwolf on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

We need to stop counting them in the figures.

LibTired on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Well of course. Since government makes it impossible for them to find jobs. Government has to tax everyone else to support them.

It’s a feature not a bug.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I’m thinking once Obamacare starts mandating they buy health insurance and takes a sizable chunk of their miniscule paycheck, they’ll reconsider their political affiliations.

Doughboy on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Youth unemployment hits record low

The economy is saved!

LibTired on August 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Ogabe’s Youth Security Force will soon be hiring and the only requirement is being able to swing a club.

Bishop on August 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM

no worries, they can always get a job with ACORN

JusDreamin on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

And I guess we’ll be picking up the tab for their healthcare.

highhopes on August 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Surprise! Youth unemployment hits record low

This may be true after Obama fields his full complement of the civilian security corps.

DrStock on August 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Youth unemployment numbers are racist.

jukin on August 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

They could just go astroturf for a while …

eforhan on August 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Rush always made the case that if government could set the minimum wage they could set the maximum wage and darned if Obama isn’t trying just that.

fourdeucer on August 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Editeurism of the Day.

jeff_from_mpls on August 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Don’t worry, there will be a big surge of short-term minimum wage jobs for yutes around 2010 election time. ACORN will need a huge workforce to invent, er, I mean rally voters.

Daggett on August 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

simple economics escapes them, Barry on the other hand has some nice brown shirts and free college money if they are interested….

sven10077 on August 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Youth unemployment numbers are racist.

jukin on August 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Right-wing ageist evil-mongers.

P.S.: Ed! Fix.The.Title.

NickelAndDime on August 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I wonder how much impact those unskilled illegals are having on that number.

John Deaux on August 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

It’s ironic that the same youth who are in love with Obama are most hurt by this policy.

jwolf on August 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Just wait about 10 years till the staggering amount of our national debt falls primarily on their shoulders.

a capella on August 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

But it FELT right to pander about a policy that has been PROVEN to fail. Libs think with their hearts and the rest of us think with our brains. Libs call names and the rest of us call out facts.

search4truth on August 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

More people available to join Obama’s civilian security force that’s as well funded as the military. Yard sales don’t inspect themselves, you know!

zmdavid on August 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Anyone know Amanda Carpenter’s email? Have her contact Ed and tell him to fix the title.

Our please apparently aren’t sufficient.

We need to tart things up.

jeff_from_mpls on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Weren’t we always told by the libtards that the minimum wage was too low because a person couldn’t support a family on it? Never mind the fact that the minimum wage was never intended as a means of support, but rather as an entry level wage precisely for youth employees.

It’s iPod money for your teenager, folks. It’s hardly the end of the world if your Hannah Montana wannabe can’t make the rent.

CurtZHP on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Oh good, it’s not just me who was confused. I thought Ed was trying to say unemployment was down for a minute there.

CrankyTRex on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

racism…..nazi!

SDarchitect on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I’m very grateful to have a job that pays well.

Even though I work like a dog now, I am very grateful to have a job in these tough times. Many of my friends have graduated college and are unable to find jobs related to their career, and have been forced to take up jobs back home at their farms, at banks, and other places.

I believe though that when we rid ourselves of left wing policy, through succeeding in the 2010 elections, the malaise will end, and opportunity will arise.

This is a great time to turn a whole generation of young people, if not into total conservatives, at least into people with a sense of fiscal responsibility.

blatantblue on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I’ll join the chorus:

Surprise! Youth unemployment hits record low

I laid it out long ago:

Minimum-wage laws disproportionately affect lower-income, inner-city people with little education and no work experience in a particular skill (important voting blocs for the politicians who insist on increasing the minimum wage from time to time). They don’t get many chances to work those low-skill/pay jobs and gain experience that makes them more attractive to employers who are willing to invest in training them to be even more productive (and therefore pay more to retain those productive workers).

These wage laws are the economic equivalent to the secure fire escape on the side of a building, where the ladder from the 2nd floor to ground level is retracted to prevent burglars from climbing it. People who lack formal education or training can’t get on the ladder and begin to pull themselves up to higher rungs. The true beneficiaries of minimum- and prevailing-wage laws are the leaders of organized labor, who can win higher wages from which to extract union dues, and the leaders of minority ethnic advocacy groups, who benefit from having a societal ill to organize against.

So… “I told you so”.

The Monster on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Get rid of the UN
Pun intended
crom on August 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I agree – then the UN’s budget could be spent on youth jobs ;)

MidWestFarmer on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The youth of America are disaffected with the abhorrent and abysmal performance of the Obarfing Badministration. Let’s remind the GOP of this. We can create a new blood within our ranks, strengthening our position as a party with a national conservative vision for years to come.

blatantblue on August 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM

But anyone trying to point this out is a racist. It must be wonderful for the Left, they have a stock answer for every problem.

Cindy Munford on August 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Ed:

Be a sweetheart and fix the title.

Hugs!

Mary Katherine Ham.

jeff_from_mpls on August 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Title is fixed here… but not on the main page. I guess because the link/page name is still wrong.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/28/surprise-youth-unemployment-hits-record-low/

SnowSun on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

The only people who benefit from minimum-wage increases in the long term are the politicans who use them to pander on the stump.

Absolutely dead on.

The liberal Democrats are nothing more than pimps, who prostitute the poor and minorities.

Ask a liberal what would happen if (hang on, we’re departing to fantasy here) they developed a program that indeed eradicated poverty, class warfare, and racism.

They wouldn’t have a clue. But, here’s the answer:

1. No more poverty. Implies that everyone in society is productive and treated fairly by employers.

2. No more class warfare. Implies that, with #1 above, everyone is receiving a decent wage, and there is only the middle class and upper classes (based solely on income).

3. No more racism. We all just “get along”.

The result is that the liberal Democrat platform collapses, there is no need for the protectors of the down-trodden (because there aren’t any).

In other words, instead of the socialists running the world, capitalism is the “last man standing”. If the liberals really want to help the poor and minorities, tehy should be teaching them how to succeed as capitalists, not how to fill out government aid forms.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

SnowSun on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Nevermind me…

SnowSun on August 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Unfortunately these young dopes still think “its Bush’s fault”, being the Liar in Chief and mommy and daddy have engrained pointing the finger, for the past few years.

FDR didn’t get elected 4 times for nothing…

Odie1941 on August 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I have a 16-year-old, and I would not pay him $8 an hour to do anything, except maybe babysit. I’m old enough to remember high school friends working for $1.15 an hour slinging burgers, and being happy to have a job.

In my town, almost none of the teenagers got summer jobs this year. Employers brought back the college kids who had the jobs in high school, because they were more experienced and worth the higher minimum wage. Why this should surprise anyone is beyond me, though I was an economics major and maybe people who never took an economics class don’t understand this.

Back in the Reagan years, there was a pretty strong movement among conservatives for a “youth minimum wage.” which would be far lower than the minimum wage for experienced workers. There was considerable research done on this. I guess Ted Kennedy just wore them out, because over time Republicans stopped even trying to carve out a separate wage for youth.

rockmom on August 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

All those Kollege Kids who swooned for Obambi can’t find a job. Schadenfreude. Well, there’s always a stint in Obama’s Civil Defense Corps waiting for you. Three arugula meals a day, a sleeping mat and all the indoctrination you can take.

Fletch54 on August 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Ed:

Be a sweetheart and fix the title.

Hugs!

Mary Katherine Ham.

jeff_from_mpls on August 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM

He does seem to get a little giddy when talking to Ham on TEMS, doesn’t he? I reckon I would too, to be honest.

NickelAndDime on August 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Way to go, my fellow Y’ers or Millenials, or whatever the hell we call ourselves, for getting that Obama guy elected.

thebrokenrattle on August 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

If small businesses are doing everything they can to stay open, you can be sure that the first thing to be cut would be the part-time positions. This Zimbabwe Economic Plan of Obama’s isn’t working very well, is it?

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Thanks, Ed!

When I first saw the title I thought, “That can’t possibly be right!” And it wasn’t.

cibolo on August 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Federal minimum wage laws are unconstitutional. Wher in the heck is this power exist in the consitution? Certainly not the inter state commerce clause.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

My 16 year old stop trying to find a job around jul 1. He put his name in about 30 places around town and called each about once a week. He ended up doing odd jobs like moving a friend, walking a dog, volunteering at a sports center, etc…

It was the best lessen he could have learned about what happens when liberal economic views are put into action.

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Ed responds much faster to email requests to fix it. I don’t think he wandered into the comments section on this thread, but he responded immediately to my email.

Hey Yutes, how’s that hopey/changey thing working out for ya?

Sparky on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Youth unemployment numbers are racist.

jukin on August 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Well, all things considered, the numbers probably look even worse for the youths of certain minority groups…

Count to 10 on August 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Minimum wage jobs offer very little opportunity for advancement professionally or in skillsets.

Pols are literally creating wage slaves.

madmonkphotog on August 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

And the other thing that needs to be pointed out here is that higher and higher minimum wages actually encourage employers to hire illegal immigrants, who will happily work for less and not tell anyone. They wouldn’t pay illiterate Mexicans $8 an hour to pluck chickens, but they will pay $4 an hour. So we force our business to become lawbreakers and encourage more illegality all through the system.

Business, on average, will create its own equilibrium wage, either through illegal hiring or through eliminating jobs.

rockmom on August 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. Like Rush says, the stupid libs are only judged on their intentions, not the results. The libs’ ideas sound good if you say them fast, but juuuuuuust scratch the surface and you find that they are doomed.

marklmail on August 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Hey Yutes, how’s that hopey/changey thing working out for ya?

Sparky on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Hopium. They’re just waiting for Dr. Feelgood to provide the dose of it. They’re “saving” themselves for the hard work to come. Whatever that means.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

It’s the strategy of the Democratic Party to create a generation of middle-class voters who are essentially dependent on the government. The Dems have the underclass beaten into submission with Stockholm Syndrome. And they have a fair number of upper-income supporters with too much time on their hand, so they have to meddle in other people’s lives.

Now, the Dems are trying to put themselves over the top with an “inevitability” strategy–that is, young people “inevitably” need government assistance of some kind to make it.

For crying out loud, look at Obama’s paid “volunteerism” programs. And Beck talked about an assitance program last night in which people will be obligated to perform 10 years of government service. The liberal on Beck’s program was even outraged by this. Hell, the military academies require only five years of active duty. Didn’t we get rid of involuntary servitude in this country?

BuckeyeSam on August 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I don’t think he wandered into the comments section on this thread, but he responded immediately to my email.

Sparky on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM

He tries to stay away from the riff raff and us yokels in the comment sections. ;-)

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Heh. With the original headline, I thought Ed might be Olbermann’s Best again.

MadisonConservative on August 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Federal minimum wage laws are unconstitutional. Wher in the heck is this power exist in the consitution? Certainly not the inter state commerce clause.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I’d like to argue that setting a minimum wage (or any kind of price control) should be an unconstitutional breach of free association.
But, yeah, I’m not seeing how the commerce clause covers this.

Count to 10 on August 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

And the other thing that needs to be pointed out here is that higher and higher minimum wages actually encourage employers to hire illegal immigrants, who will happily work for less and not tell anyone.

Don’t get me started…lets just say my kid’s experience with this has been real eye-opening.

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

And they have a fair number of upper-income supporters with too much time on their hand, so they have to meddle in other people’s lives.

A bit of a correction here. These are the limo liberals, and they benefit the most by having a large, turbulent class of uneducated, starving morons.

Small minds are fertile ground for mis-information.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Normally this time of year around here the high school kids and the college crowd heads into town to try to get part-time employment…generally a good thing. Better than depending on Mom and Dad for ready cash. But this year, for the first time I’ve seen, there are “Not Hiring” signs all over town. Even the local pizza delivery places are cutting back.

Did Congress and others actually believe that there would be plenty of cash laying around so private businesses would just swoop in and hire untrained, often undisciplined, younger folks in these economic times?

coldwarrior on August 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

And the other thing that needs to be pointed out here is that higher and higher minimum wages actually encourage employers to hire illegal immigrants, who will happily work for less and not tell anyone. They wouldn’t pay illiterate Mexicans $8 an hour to pluck chickens, but they will pay $4 an hour. So we force our business to become lawbreakers and encourage more illegality all through the system.

Business, on average, will create its own equilibrium wage, either through illegal hiring or through eliminating jobs.

rockmom on August 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

That and the ‘safety net’ of welfare and unemployment insurance.

Count to 10 on August 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Critique. Caveat — I am fiscally conservative.

I think that these numbers are hard to disentangle. We’re also in the midst of a fairly impressive recession, and the youth tend to be muscled out of the market when total available jobs contract. How are you going to divide up the effects?

I am certain that increasing the minimum wage didn’t exactly help — but assigning causes in complex, multiyear phenomena is just not a good idea. If you’re right, it’s by accident — and it’s really just partisan bickering.

There’s no need, with this administration, to dig for iffy things to critique. Just stick to the majors. When a sidetrack like this comes along (which is so easy to argue), all efforts are bent to drawing attention from the real disaster.

Prufrock on August 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

This is a great time to turn a whole generation of young people, if not into total conservatives, at least into people with a sense of fiscal responsibility.

blatantblue on August 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

As a fellow “young person,” I couldn’t agree more.

Healthcare:
- Individual Mandate – bad for the youth
- Huge Deficits – we will have to pay back the debt – bad for the youth

This should be enough to sufficiently turn us off.

But then again, the majority of us are morons when it comes to politics.

Joe Caps on August 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Are they counting astroturf jobs like the ones held by AfroLib and AnnInCa? Cuz if those are included, unemployment among the yutes would be 4.1%.

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Hope and Change. Hey, kids…maybe next election you should invest some of your nearly infinite free time in reading about the background and policy positions of the candidates.

It’s easy.

In the meanwhile, take a class in economics. You have a year. Better yetread a book.

Jaibones on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

The UN needs to get involved and teach these unemployed the powers of masturbation.

They voted for hope and change and got it.

Hening on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I remember when I got my first job. I bugged the hell out of the manager at the local Ace Hardware in my town. Finally, they relented. At 14, in the mid 90s, I was making five bucks an hour. The minimum wage was $4.75. I was beaming at the fact that I was hired for higher than the minimum wage.

Then, after a while, the minimum wage raised to $5.15. Guess what I was raised to.

The minimum wage didn’t make me feel better. It just made me feel like the government had forced my boss into paying me more when I hadn’t earned it.

MadisonConservative on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

One of the reasons Democrats favor increases in the minimum wage is because some union contracts set the rate that the government pays union members as a multiple of the minimum wage. So raising the minimum wage automatically results in increased pay to one of the Democrats staunchest allies. Union members.

Rocket-Man on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Hey Yutes, how’s that hopey/changey thing working out for ya?

Sparky on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM

I am amazed how the majority of yutes vote. It is totally not in their self-interest:
- support for higher min vages => less opportunity
- support for greater entitlements -> greater debt burden when they are older
- centralize power in the fedral government -> less choice and liberty (which I thoughts yutes love)

Maybe we need a high school education program, You and Your Vote, not run by governments though.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

I’m happy to be corrected.

If the liberals really want to help the poor and minorities, [they] should be teaching them how to succeed as capitalists, not how to fill out government aid forms.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Ain’t this the truth!

BuckeyeSam on August 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

What lorien said

The minimum wage is essentially an artificial offset to the economy. In the short term, raising the MW helps those who earn it because their wages do go up while the economy adjusts, but after a very short period of time, the entire economy raises its prices to adjust for this artificial floor and the MW earner is no better off than before because the price increases due to the increase in the MW raise the costs of all products that everyone buys, including the MW earner and the MW earner is then back in the same predicament from which he started. Basically, the whole economy “floats” on the level of the minimum wage — raise the MW and the economy will “float” up to a higher level with the new MW as the floor value. There may be some short term compression in wage differences, but as prices and cost of living adjustments go up, even the compression will mostly disappear.

This is not a difficult concept to understand, it’s simple common sense.

Minimum wage jobs have never been meant to be careers for people, they have been meant to be training jobs, first jobs, short-term jobs. That people trap themselves in such positions is the real problem, not some arbitrary minimum amount for wages in such a position.

AZfederalist on August 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM

The only people who benefit from minimum-wage increases in the long term are the politicans who use them to pander on the stump.

And unions. Union wages are often calculated using a formula that includes the minimum wage. So every increase in the min. wage results in an increase in union wages. That’s why the SEIU and fellow goon organizations are always pushing for higher minimum wage rates. You didn’t think they actually gave a rat’s a$$ about people working at Burger King did you?

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Did Congress and others actually believe that there would be plenty of cash laying around so private businesses would just swoop in and hire untrained, often undisciplined, younger folks in these economic times?

coldwarrior on August 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

They absolutely do think that. When Pres. Obortion stated that under his energy plan, electric bills would necessarily skyrocket, he can only be thinking that those “astronomical” bills will be paid. Again, with the “plenty of cash laying around”.

I got news for the economic wizards in Washington…if my electric bill doubles or triples, it’s not I that won’t pay it, it’s more that I can’t pay it.

Fortunately, I live in a rural area, so I’ll just go green. I’ll chop down those green trees and burn them for heat in the winter. Blame it on Big Oil, Big Medicine, and Big Toy.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:29 AM

[Ed] does seem to get a little giddy when talking to [Mary Katherine] Ham on TEMS, doesn’t he? I reckon I would too, to be honest.

NickelAndDime on August 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Ed is the luckiest guy in media getting to hob-nob with those smokin’ hot conservative women.

These are the kind of women who, as they breeze right past me, aren’t even aware of my existence.

Many of us live vicariously through Ed’s accomplishments.

jeff_from_mpls on August 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM

And unions. Union wages are often calculated using a formula that includes the minimum wage. So every increase in the min. wage results in an increase in union wages.

+1000

marklmail on August 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Maybe we need a high school education program, You and Your Vote, not run by governments though.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

If they made The 5000 Year Leap required reading in every HS, we wouldn’t have so many problems:

JiangxiDad on August 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Yt was the thought that counts. The thought that by raising the minimum wage they screw the youth in favor of the more organized unions who have wages and benefits pegged to the minimum wage.

rob verdi on August 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM

MadisonConservative on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

That’s a good story, especially how you pushed hard for the job. No kid has ever asked me if he could work for me, not at work, and not at home–not even to mow the lawn. I still find it amazing. By 10 or so, I was mowing several lawns on the block, shoveling snow, etc. Times sure have changed, but as the thread implies, they may be changing back.

JiangxiDad on August 28, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Let’s face facts. Youth are highly influenced by promises of free anything, and to promise them higher wages is a surefire guarantee they’ll buy it hook, line and sinker. “OH BOY, OH BOY, OH BOY, I’m gonna’ get higher pay….Yippppeeee”. And then realism sets in. Because they’re forced to pay higher wages, employers simply eliminate those possible jobs. Sadly, it takes these same mental midgets half-a-lifetime to figure out what happened. All they remember is “the guy got me higher wages”. The fact they didn’t have a job doesn’t seem to matter.

GoldenEagle4444 on August 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM

And unions. Union wages are often calculated using a formula that includes the minimum wage. So every increase in the min. wage results in an increase in union wages. That’s why the SEIU and fellow goon organizations are always pushing for higher minimum wage rates. You didn’t think they actually gave a rat’s a$$ about people working at Burger King did you?

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Bingo.

You know what would be awesome blue on blue action?

Set up a faux movement to get government to enact some really aggressive law to garnish child support from working men’s wages, benefits, property.

You’d get the victim class squealing about justice and sticking it to the man, and best of all, you’d get Joe Six Pack Union Guy who’s been busy busting conservative heads at Town Hall Meetings, and who would be disproportionately affected by such a measure, getting his ass kicked by President Barack Mistake Obama.

Good times!

jeff_from_mpls on August 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM

[It}was the thought that counts

Gosh, I hope not. I’ve had some unsavory thoughts since Nov 2008.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM

If they made The 5000 Year Leap required reading in every HS, we wouldn’t have so many problems:

JiangxiDad on August 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Thanks, never heard of this book. Added it to my Amazon wish list.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Not a big deal, after all, having to actually show up for regular jobs would get in the way of forming spontaneous grassroots movement protests, getting people to sign petitions, and manning phone banks for Hopenchange.

Seriously, though; think about minimum wage over the years. It doesn’t much matter exactly WHAT the number is, it usually averages about the same amount of purchase power. Take any time in the history of minimum wage, and one hours worth of work, on average, will buy you a pack of smokes, couple gallons of gas, a movie ticket, or a fast-food lunch. One can argue whether inflation of prices moves the need to increase wages, or the increase of wages tends to promote inflation. I’m the farthest thing from a scholar in these matters (or any matters, to be honest), but if I had to guess, I would say there is probably a little bit of both there.

JamesLee on August 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Facts >>

Raising the minimum wage would provide an additional $4,400/year for a family of three, equaling 15 months of groceries, or over two years of health care – helping them to keep up with rising costs.
Nearly 13 million people would likely benefit from the increase – 5.6 million directly and 7.4 million indirectly. This includes 7.7 million women, 3.4 million parents, and 4.7 million people of color.

It is wrong to have millions of Americans working full-time and year-round and still living in poverty. At $5.15 an hour, a full-time minimum wage worker brings home $10,712 a year -nearly $6,000 below the poverty level for a family of three.

On July 24th, Americans received the second step of Democrats’ minimum wage increase. Last year, the New Direction Congress enacted the first minimum wage increase in a decade – which is being implemented in three steps. The minimum wage now rises to $6.55 an hour, and will rise to $7.25 next year. The previous Republican-controlled Congresses blocked minimum wage proposals from being considered. In 2006 alone, Republicans blocked minimum wage legislation from coming to a vote 11 times. The minimum wage increase passed by the Democratic-led Congress is the first pay raise for working Americans in almost 10 years. This raise is part of our New Direction towards shared prosperity, and is a down payment on a broader American agenda for working families.

Thank you Mz. Pelosi for your New Direction

Rovin on August 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Why hire youths when you can hire an illegal for less than minimum wage…and pay said illegal under the table!

SouthernGent on August 28, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Basically, the whole economy “floats” on the level of the minimum wage — raise the MW and the economy will “float” up to a higher level with the new MW as the floor value.

Not true. Employers will try to raise the prices they charge, so that they can afford to pay workers more, but they won’t be able to sell the same quantity at the higher price. Until the inflated money supply pushes up nominal prices and makes the new minumum largely irrelevant, to whatever extent the minimum wage law has any effect on wages, it also creates unemployment. It really is simple supply/demand stuff here.

The Monster on August 28, 2009 at 11:44 AM

And unions. Union wages are often calculated using a formula that includes the minimum wage. So every increase in the min. wage results in an increase in union wages. That’s why the SEIU and fellow goon organizations are always pushing for higher minimum wage rates. You didn’t think they actually gave a rat’s a$$ about people working at Burger King did you?

Speaking of unions, Toyota has announced that they are closing their Fremont, CA plant.

Toyota urgently needs to cut capacity as car demand isn’t going to return to its peak anytime soon,” said Yuuki Sakurai, chief executive officer of Fukoku Capital Management Inc. in Tokyo, which manages about 800 billion yen ($8.5 billion) in assets. “Nummi is unionized and expensive to operate. It’s a good decision.”

ICBM on August 28, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Thanks, never heard of this book. Added it to my Amazon wish list.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM

You’re welcome. Your library should also have it–it’s a 30 year old book. I buy it for people, including a few that I hate.

JiangxiDad on August 28, 2009 at 11:45 AM

By 10 or so, I was mowing several lawns on the block, shoveling snow, etc. Times sure have changed, but as the thread implies, they may be changing back.

JiangxiDad on August 28, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Oh yes, the good ol’ days. I remember racing around on Saturday morning with the lawnmower, in serious competition with the other young entreprenuers in the neighborhood. “Good morning, mam…can I cut your grass for $5.00″?

It was an extreme sacrifice, considering all the Scooby-Doo and Land of the Lost shows I missed. [There was nothing known as VCR or DVR back then...if you missed it, you missed it].

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM

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