Great moments in union representation

posted at 2:57 pm on August 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Unemployment in North Clackamas, Oregon just went up, thanks to a teachers union that ignored the wishes of its membership.  North Clackamas School District faced a budget crunch and wanted the teachers to agree to a wage freeze in exchange for keeping everyone on staff.  The teachers agreed to it in a vote, but the union refused to go along.  Now the teachers are picketing — the union:

A group of teachers in the North Clackamas School District took the initiative Thursday, amid losing their jobs because of budget cuts, by gathering signatures in an effort to have their voices heard by their union.

The teachers, who gathered outside their union office, said they want a response from the union and put their demands in writing in the form of a petition.

Those speaking out said it shouldn’t have reached this point, and they would have accepted the district’s offer, favoring a wage freeze to save jobs.

“We took a poll in the spring and they got our opinion and the majority said wage freeze,” said Monica Whiteley, who was laid off. “So I would like them to look at the poll or honor it and have us look at the memo of understanding that is out there.”

The cuts could mean having as many as 45 kids in a classroom, designed to hold much less.  The lay-offs came with almost no notice, and the teachers wonder whether they will be able to pay their mortgages.  Yet the union’s response was that they had to consider what was best for the teachers and the children, both of whom come off as losers in this result.  Under what scenario is this better for anyone?  Even the union loses in both the near- and long-term, from loss of dues and from the likely revolt among the rank-and-file members.

This situation holds plenty of irony.  The unions claim that they speak for membership, but clearly in this situation they spoke for some other interests.  Now teachers have to gather signatures on a petition just to get the union to hear their concerns.  Unions supposedly exist to collectively bargain to address worker concerns, and gather petitions to convince workers to allow them to represent the workforce with management.

Sounds like union bosses tried bluffing with other people’s money, and got their bluff called.  North Clackamas teachers now have no real way of holding them accountable or deflecting the course of the negotiations, which is why they went to KATU in the first place.  And if Congress passes Card Check, all of this can be every worker’s nightmare across the US.

Update: Strike three for me today in screwing up names and places.  North Clackamas, not North Carolina, which is on the other side of the country.  I think I’ll keep my laptop shut for a while …

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Ed. Really. Drink some coffee. It’s getting out of hand today.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

FIX: Unemployment in North Carolina North Clackamas just went up in Oregon,

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Unions already destroyed US Steel & the domestic auto industry.

jgapinoy on August 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Someone please copy-edit this…

fusionaddict on August 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Unions are simply the bane of any real situation.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ed. Really. Drink some coffee. It’s getting out of hand today.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I blame the coffee.

jgapinoy on August 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ed. Really. Drink some coffee. It’s getting out of hand today.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Grandkids must have slept over last night.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM

The cuts could mean having as many as 45 kids in a classroom, designed to hold much less. The lay-offs came with almost no notice, and the teachers wonder whether they will be able to pay their mortgages

homeschool

ted c on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

The unions claim that they speak for membership, but clearly in this situation they spoke for some other interests.

Sounds like a job for a “Town Hall”!

Have everyone gather together so the leaders can tell them all to STFU, they don’t know what they are talking about.

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Boo friggin hoo. Union members got screwed by the union bosses. Welcome to the world of the taxpayer who gets screwed by unions daily. No sympathy- suck it.

Monica on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Lars Larson will be all over this.

MB4 on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Eds teacher was on strike that day.

CriticalUpdate on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

This story is jsut facepalm hilarious. Union versus teacher, kids, and parents. Is North Clackamas some town created by The Onion?

Maybe these teachers will wise up and dispand the union. If they really want to serve their self interest the [good] teachers should support a total school choice system that consist of NO public schools. Have schools compete for their services. If you are good teacher, there will always be a school that wants your services to attract more students.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I blame the coffee.

jgapinoy on August 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I blame Booooosh!

And the late, not-at-all-great Ted Kennedy, too.

MrScribbler on August 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I don’t suppose the teachers could or would vote to de-certify?

jwolf on August 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I wonder if the NEA will intervene?

kingsjester on August 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Unions misrepresent workers. Owners misrepresent workers. Government misrepresents workers. Do you see a pattern developing here?

The Calibur on August 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Unemployment in North Carolina just went up in Oregon …

Did those tricky Southern bastards in North Carolina figure out a way to retard their unemployment – by using some strange “Philadelphia Experiment-like” devise to send it all to Oregon?

I’m confused.

HondaV65 on August 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

But, it’s for the children. Union bosses only care about union bosses.

ICBM on August 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

North Clackamas teachers now have no real way of holding them accountable or deflecting the course of the negotiations

Sure they do….they voted the union in, they can vote the union out.

Choices. When you make a pact with the devil, you need to understand it’s his job to screw you.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Unions misrepresent workers. Owners misrepresent workers. Government misrepresents workers. Do you see a pattern developing here?

The Calibur on August 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Yeah. Look out for yourself and your family and do not trust others to do so unless they have earned your trust.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Why have 45 students per class? They’ve got enough teachers to run a picket line all the way from Oregon to North Carolina.

Ronnie on August 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Don’t worry – at the rate everything is going there will be no need for unions.
There won’t be any business. I guess all those former union workers will go work for Obama. Don’t know how much longer government can run either.
No business – No taxes – No government
Hmmmm, what do you do when that happens?

izoneguy on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

as my ma always calls them. The Teacher’s Union Mafia.

FontanaConservative on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Can someone tell me why so many employees choose to join unions? I am not familiar with them. No one in my family has ever been in one. Can I get a good conservative primer on unions? (I know what they are and what they say they are for, but, how do they function and why do so many join? must they?)

Mommypundit on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Similarly – check out the saga of Mercury Marine in Fon du Lac, Wisconsin…..

nearly a 50% drop-off in watercraft sales over a the past few years….

Company asks for concessions so they can remain in Wisconsin, sends their ‘final’ offer….

Union votes it down….(obviously thinking the company would blink)….

No blink forthcoming…. 800+ jobs could end up moving to Oklahoma (non-union)….

Buyer’s remorse coming from union members on their vote.

jrlingreenbay on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Think Colt Firearms, think Eastern Airlines. Do the Unions do anything besides destroy the businesses they sink their fangs into? In the case of Government Unions, they simply expect the gravy train to go on forever till collapse.

GunRunner on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Calibur: Non sequitur. The union’s JOB is to represent the workers; that’s the whole point of the collective bargaining agreement. Where did you get the idea that owners are supposed to represent anyone? And the govt’s job is simply to insure equal justice under the law, having nothing to do with one’s employment status or wealth.

jwolf on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Unemployment in North Clackamas just went up in Oregon

Not that that makes much sense either.

Ronnie on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Similarly – check out the saga of Mercury Marine in Fon du Lac, Wisconsin…..

nearly a 50% drop-off in watercraft sales over a the past few years….

Company asks for concessions so they can remain in Wisconsin, sends their ‘final’ offer….

Union votes it down….(obviously thinking the company would blink)….

No blink forthcoming…. 800+ jobs could end up moving to Oklahoma (non-union)….

Buyer’s remorse coming from union members on their vote.

jrlingreenbay on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Which is why the union bosses are desperate to get card check passed. Thankfully Obama doesn’t have the politcal capital to pull that one off.

Doughboy on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Ed. Really. Drink some coffee. It’s getting out of hand today.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Jeez, no kidding. I’m surprised I haven’t misspelled my own name today.

Ed Morrissey on August 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Can someone tell me why so many employees choose to join unions?

In most cases you have two choices:
1) Join the union or
2) Be unemployed.

Oftentimes, joining the union is a oondition of employment, rather formally or informally.

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Not that that makes much sense either.

Ronnie on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I’ve fixed that, too.

Ed Morrissey on August 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM

To add to the theme, Toyota is closing its’ Fremont, Ca plant citing unions and the high cost of doing business there during an economic downturn.

ICBM on August 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM

I hate unions – I used to date this dude and he was in some steelworkers’ union and all he did was lay off work every time he had a friggin headache (at least once a week) and still got paid IN FULL – unions are just like welfare…they create nothing but laziness

Ris4victory on August 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Update: Strike three for me today in screwing up names and places. North Clackamas, not North Carolina, which is on the other side of the state. I think I’ll keep my laptop shut for a while …

Put your head in there while closing it…should wake you up. ;-)

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM

In the case of Government Unions, they simply expect the gravy train to go on forever till collapse.

GunRunner on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Which should be any day now.

AZCoyote on August 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM

North Clackamas, not North Carolina, which is on the other side of the state.

You mean the other side of the country?

John Deaux on August 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Hey!! Picketing a union. Wouldn’t this be cool if it started a trend!

JellyToast on August 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

jwolf on August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I didn’t say it was the owners job to represent workers, I said they misrepresent or don’t represent them. We also have representatives in government who, ironically, don’t represent us. So it’s the people’s job to organize. Not anyone else.

The Calibur on August 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Mommypundit on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Some employees voluntarily join a union. In many cases the local or state politicians (care to guess which party?) have enacted closed shop regulations meaning the union is in whether you like it or not. I don’t know if this is the case in Clackamas — which, by the way, is just SE of Portland, one of the most leftwing areas in the country.

jwolf on August 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Hey, quit picking on Ed.

It’s Friday. Guy’s been working hard all week. Give him a break already.

AZCoyote on August 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Anyone notice the increase in errors since Ed shaved his head?

Dude. The hair you had was holding it all together.

Oh, and I’ll vote for any candidate who disbands the NEA and outlaws teacher unions.

MadisonConservative on August 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I’ve fixed that, too.

Ed Morrissey on August 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM

That’s why you’re 100 times better than Allah. He would have just left it and blamed Sarah Palin.

Ronnie on August 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM

The unions claim that they speak for membership, but clearly in this situation they spoke for some other interests.

The AARP claims to speak for their members as well. The AMA claims to speak for doctors. Democrat members of congress claim to speak for their constituents.

As it turns out, none of that is true either. Anyone see a pattern here? The left likes to speak of bottom-up governance. As always, the reality is just the opposite.

RadClown on August 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I agree with the tough line in this situation: these teachers should vote to de-certify the union and accept individual representation if they want to keep their jobs. Otherwise they could go for one of those cushy Astroturfing jobs that pay $33K/yr…

Wanderlust on August 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM

That’s why you’re 100 times better than Allah. He would have just left it and blamed Sarah Palin.

Ronnie on August 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Indeed.

Darksean on August 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM

I hate unions – I used to date this dude and he was in some steelworkers’ union and all he did was lay off work every time he had a friggin headache (at least once a week) and still got paid IN FULL – unions are just like welfare…they create nothing but laziness

Ris4victory on August 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM

When I see union people on strike for an increase in compensation\benefits (which is always the case nowadays), I think how much they must LOVE their job. A normal person would just get a different job if they wanted more income. Not these union people. They will sit in a lawn chair for a month in front of the company jus to get more money. That is dedication I tell you.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM

I have dinner weekly with a bunch of teachers. They are not the stereotypical union members, by a long shot.

They regularly vote against the union. BUT, they do like the protections provided.

No question.

This isn’t about unions, in the old-fashioned sense.

This is gov’t workers versus private.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Hey!! Picketing a union. Wouldn’t this be cool if it started a trend!

JellyToast on August 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

The trend has been afoot.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

You mean the other side of the country?

John Deaux on August 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Okay, I have an excuse for that one — I’m fixing this while I’m on the air. Well, not an excuse … more of a whine … what a day… ;-)

Ed Morrissey on August 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Similarly – check out the saga of Mercury Marine in Fon du Lac, Wisconsin…..

nearly a 50% drop-off in watercraft sales over a the past few years….

Company asks for concessions so they can remain in Wisconsin, sends their ‘final’ offer….

Union votes it down….(obviously thinking the company would blink)….

No blink forthcoming…. 800+ jobs could end up moving to Oklahoma (non-union)….

Buyer’s remorse coming from union members on their vote.

jrlingreenbay on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

YAY! I live in Oklahoma. C’mon down!

Oh, here’s a great resource for buying American made linens and other products:
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/bednbath.html

for those who want to support American workers and the American economy

funky chicken on August 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Okay, I have an excuse for that one — I’m fixing this while I’m on the air. Well, not an excuse … more of a whine … what a day… ;-)

Ed Morrissey on August 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Ed, thanks for all you do.

ICBM on August 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM

They regularly vote against the union. BUT, they do like the protections provided.
AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM

~80% of income for life after retirement at the age of 55.

Good workers do need employment protection. If you have a skill that is in demand and you do it well, somebody will want you. Especially in education. Parents are not going to stop educating their kids due to a recession.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Unions are for unions.

I joined the musicians union while in college. The band I was in got called in because we were playing jobs under union scale. We explained that we were playing auditions and getting paid. The union told us that they would collect the rest of the funds for us since they are here to protect the band and that we were being taken advantage of. Next time to the union, we were told that if we can’t get union dues maybe we aren’t good enough. This is from a clown that doesn’t even play an instrument or or work in a band. That band went on to make good money that the union lost out on since we quit. Hacks out to line their own pockets.

Hening on August 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM

My wife is a teacher, and knew afew of the people laid off in the last round of 60 teachers by North Clackamas. It is a sad situation. They had spent all summer getting their classrooms ready, and get told “See ya” 2 weeks before school ends. One of the teachers was on vacation and when she got back, she found out she got canned.

They are SO pissed at their union.

portlandon on August 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Can someone tell me why so many employees choose to join unions? I am not familiar with them. No one in my family has ever been in one. Can I get a good conservative primer on unions? (I know what they are and what they say they are for, but, how do they function and why do so many join? must they?)

Mommypundit on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Vito and the Union BOYZ pay ya a visit in the dark of night…and say we’re gonna make you an offer you can’t refuse

capiche?

right4life on August 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Okay, I have an excuse for that one — I’m fixing this while I’m on the air. Well, not an excuse … more of a whine … what a day… ;-)

Ed Morrissey on August 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

You sir, are a machine.

Hening on August 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM

jrlingreenbay on August 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

I’ve been following this as well (I live in Central WI).

Idiotic union drones–they deserve to lose their jobs if they are that stupid.

Mercury will find a much better business climate in Oklahoma.

PimFortuynsGhost on August 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Like our government, unions have forgotten who they work for.

ctmom on August 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Follow senior citizens lead, tear up the union card and send it back.

AASLT on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Like our government, unions have forgotten who they work for.

They are just like everyone else. They are looking for security and a retirement.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

This happens all the time in Michigan with Union led work forces. I can’t tell you how many manufactures attempted to negotiate with unions without any success before leaving the state (and thus their employees unemployed). Trust me, come election time, these union members will still tow the union line. They’re mindless lapdogs and will completely buy into the “this is the republicans fault” when it comes down to it. Waste no sympathy on these people. They don’t waste any on you.

MichiganMatt on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Ed. Really. Drink some coffee. It’s getting out of hand today.

lorien1973 on August 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I blame global warming. Do you know what the weather is like in MN this time of year?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM

They are just like everyone else. They are looking for security and a retirement.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

…at taxpayers GREAT expense.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM

They’re mindless lapdogs and will completely buy into the “this is the republicans fault” when it comes down to it. Waste no sympathy on these people. They don’t waste any on you.

MichiganMatt on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

just like the ‘fine’ citizens of detroit…that hell-hole…

right4life on August 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Virtually identical story to my school district in Lake County Illinois. Budget short-fall, proposed wage freeze to save teachers jobs, teachers open to idea, union says screw you, won’t open contract, district lays off teachers.

I say, screw’em, this is what they voted for, their President and Union Leaders…..elections have consequences. Start learning your lessons teachers!!

PatriotRider on August 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I blame global warming. Do you know what the weather is like in MN this time of year?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM

This year his coffee is probably cold in five minute. Ed will be lucky to reach 60 degrees tomorrow.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM

This is precisely why I have not joined the VFW, AmVets, NCOA, AUSA, etc. I am afraid these groups do not listen to member concerns and doing exactly as this union did.

AASLT on August 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM

I say, screw’em, this is what they voted for, their President and Union Leaders…..elections have consequences. Start learning your lessons teachers!!

PatriotRider on August 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Used to live in Vernon Hills (now in Frankfort), so I know you have some awesomely awesome property taxes going towards those schools. I just paid mine today, some I really pissed off at my school districts and unions.

WashJeff on August 28, 2009 at 3:38 PM

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Eat it NEA leeches.

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 3:39 PM

This is what we need to counter the power of unions:

From Heritage: “The RAISE (Rewarding Achievement and Incen­tivizing Successful Employees) Act, introduced by Senator David Vitter (R-LA) and Representative Tom McClintock (R-CA), would lift the “seniority ceiling” on workers’ wages by allowing employers to pay indi­vidual workers more–but not less–than the union contract specifies. By offering workers the opportu­nity to earn higher wages, the RAISE Act provides an incentive for increased productivity.”

krr on August 28, 2009 at 3:39 PM

The left likes to speak of bottom-up governance. As always, the reality is just the opposite.

RadClown on August 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Another thing they “talk the talk” about.

There is nothing in the history of or in the literature regarding leftism, to suggest that it is anything other than a top down, elitist driven ideaology.

It’s all about intellectuals caring so much about “the people”, that they have to point the poor dumb saps in the right direction.

And the right direction involves clearing out anyone who might have a better claim on governance or leadership, which would include anyone who runs a business or is outside of the leftist lunatic fringe.

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 3:40 PM

They are just like everyone else. They are looking for security and a retirement.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

At the expense of others, and not of their own labor. 50 years ago, unions were a force for workplace change. Today, they simply exist to exist.

Please explain the value of GM paying laid-off employees their full salary, other than the fact it’s a part of their “give us what we want or we’ll close you down collective bargaining agreement”.

With that kind of agreement, why work? Hell, they practically beg to be laid off.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Can I get a good conservative primer on unions?

I am a union member. 24 years. I am also a conservative. Unions have thier purpose, but, like any other organization, they become politicised and ripe for abuse and corruption. The good. Run properly, they can negotiate collectively for the good of large groups, and keep Employers honest. The wages and benefits they negotiate tend to set benchmarks that tend to enable smaller companies and non union employess to earn more. Without unions, there would truly be a race to the bottom.

The bad. As corrupt as any government entity. Ten to collectively bully, abuse power, intimidate non union poepl trying to feed and educate their kids. One major paradox of a union that actually benefits union based Employers is, its almost impossible to start up a small business in havily unionized areas, such as metro chicago. The small guy can not qualify to bid on certain jobs becuase he is too small, and he cant afford to pay union wages and benefits at the onset, thus the deck is stacked against any new guys dreaming of opening a business. SO in a sense, the same business owner that bitches about having to pay union wages is protected from any number of small operations opening up to compete against him buy those very same employees he is bitching about. Trust me, if there werent unions around here, everybody would be buying used equipment and cut throating each other into starvation.

Government has a thing called prevailing wages that prevent non union companies from competing for public funded projects. In Vegas, Union and non union companies have been know to work along side each other, at least during the boom

Theres Good and theres bad.

Persaonlly, while it ameks it ahrd to start a small business in major metro areas, I can only imagine if there were no unions. Remember, union members are still mostly paying taxes while 40 percent or so of the population is supposedly not. So the fruits of their labor is always being redistributed, a liberal economists best friend.

CriticalUpdate on August 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM

The threat to my state? No GM. It’s the gov’t workers and SEIU.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM

This was the mistake of union workers. They were encouraged to vote for Obama, and democrats, and spoon fed crap, that just sounded to good to be true. Jobs, pay wages. Obama would look out for them, and protect them.

Now look at the situation. Workers will get laid off, and have no recourse. But…as long as the bosses have jobs, that’s all that matters. Right???

capejasmine on August 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM

This is precisely why I have not joined the VFW, AmVets, NCOA, AUSA, etc. I am afraid these groups do not listen to member concerns and doing exactly as this union did.

AASLT on August 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Agree, I was on the board of a national veterans organization based in DC before I resigned in disgust.

Every tedious meeting was about wringing more money out of Washington. The staffers were regularly featured in photo-ops for Democrats, so Democrats could grow “we care about veterans”.

This was at the same time Democrats were doing everything possible to undermine President Bush and to lose the Gulf War.

Veterans organizations, IMOP, are about “benefits” and other tedious concerns, not about comradeship or bettering the country. It’s all about wringing every possible dollar out of Uncle Sugar. I have better things to do with my time.

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM

One question remains:

What did Oregon do with their pot of stimulus money? Did they get a receipt? I be those teachers might be interested in reviewing it.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 3:44 PM

People in jobs paid for by taxpayers at any level of government should not be allowed to unionize. If they are allowed to unionize they should not be allowed to vote.

BowHuntingTexas on August 28, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Unions are good for America, just ask Delta. Oh wait they went bankrupt a couple times because of unions. Okay ask the autoworkers, damn better not. Okay The unions have been a godsend for California. Shoot okay I know somewhere there is a business sector that is heavily union that can be held up as an American success story. Right???

Bueler,…Bueler..

Just A Grunt on August 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM

~80% of income for life after retirement at the age of 55.

Good workers do need employment protection. If you have a skill that is in demand and you do it well, somebody will want you. Especially in education. Parents are not going to stop educating their kids due to a recession.

Here’s where I’m at. I never agreed with private industry about switching people too much to 401K. At first, it was OK.

But, as usual, private industry found a way to get out of pension obligations.

So I’m split now. I simply can’t see why people DON’T dig in their heels on this. We couldn’t do much in the private industry sector, and we got so screwed.

So I get that.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM

“Of course labor leaders are sensitive to the working class: That’s how they avoid belonging to it.”

- Gary Trudeau, Doonesbury.

ExUrbanKevin on August 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Just A Grunt on August 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM

The Soviet Union? Oh wait…..

I see what you mean.

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Persaonlly, while it ameks it ahrd to start a small business in major metro areas, I can only imagine if there were no unions. Remember, union members are still mostly paying taxes while 40 percent or so of the population is supposedly not. So the fruits of their labor is always being redistributed, a liberal economists best friend.

I do follow your post.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM

CriticalUpdate on August 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Here is what I know about unions. In my county the prevailing wage for construction workers includes $23 an hour for the guy that holds the “Slow/Stop” sign. Yes $23 an hour for a job that requires no skill and no education other than the ability to stand and swirl a sign from Stop to Slow. I don’t care how you spin it, that is about $18 too much. And that is $18 an hour, every single hour on every single road construction project that is wasted because of unions. That is but one of thousands of similar examples that adds up to hundreds of billions of dollars wasted every year.

Unions suck the blood out of society. Everything they touch turns to crap. Airlines. Auto. Steel. You name it.

There is nothing positive about unions.

angryed on August 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM

But, as usual, private industry found a way to get out of pension obligations.

There’s your problem in black and white. Where, oh where, does it say that employers are obligated to provide retirement of any kind to employees?

BobMbx on August 28, 2009 at 3:49 PM

This is easy.

The union thought it could mau-mau the school district and parents, and did not think the school district would have the nerve to fire any teachers. It is extremely rare to see any layoffs of public employees, because the affected interests usually run to the city council, state, or federal government and convince them to raise somebody else’s taxes so they can keep their jobs. This sounds like the school district just sent a big old FU to the union and successfully blamed the union’s intransigence for the layoffs, instead of allowing itself to be mau-maued into a tax increase. Good for them!

But as a parent of two public school students, the thought of classrooms with 45 kids in them, with teachers wanting to teach them, is heartbreaking. These union leaders should be fired or foreced to sit in those classrooms themselves.

rockmom on August 28, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Capitalism without any restraints is simply a way to support the idea that everyone locked into labor deserves it.

That’s surely not real conservatism.

I’ve been attracted to more conservative thinking NOT because they want people to be poor, for gosh sakes.

That kind of thinking simply makes no sense.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Considering unions, the UAW now owns a sizable percentage of both Chrysler and GM instead of the stockholders. I guess that this is their reward for creating the problem in the first place. As far as the teachers (lets get Ed a GPS) I hope they manage to decertify the union and get their jobs back but doubt it will happen under the current “union friendly” administration.

duff65 on August 28, 2009 at 3:51 PM

LOL, Ive had to flag traffic and if you have never done it please dont comment on it. It looks easy, but it is a royal PITA and is boring , dangerous, fatigues you, and people throw crap and yell at you all friggen day. Nobody wants that job except somebody who has never done it.

CriticalUpdate on August 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Capitalism without any restraints is simply a way to support the idea that everyone locked into labor deserves it.

Who exactly is “locked into labor” in this country?

The only people I can think of are military personnel. The Army doesn’t like it if you say “I quit” without their permission, but every other job I know of you can walk out the door and never look back.

NoDonkey on August 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I have told guys they would be flagging traffic the next day and they call in sick. It sucks.

CriticalUpdate on August 28, 2009 at 3:54 PM

I don’t like Unions either

Scoreboard44 on August 28, 2009 at 3:54 PM

The real “funny” thing here is that the Union, in it’s efforts to protect itself, has just reduced the amount of dues it will be collecting.

Also, I don’t know if the situation is the same, but in California, you can not be a public school teacher if you are not in the Union.

I understand what these teachers are feeling. It happend to me three times where the Union wouldn’t budge and I was laid off. Third times the charm for me though and I changed careers.

BioTeachEd on August 28, 2009 at 3:55 PM

The threat to my state? No GM. It’s the gov’t workers and SEIU.

AnninCA on August 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Who are retiring at 90% salary with full benefits. Tell me about it…..

jbh45 on August 28, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I know here in Florida you can’t be a public school teacher without being in the union, you don’t have a choice.

Where I grew up (in WVa), many of the factories up there were Union only and you could be hired if you didn’t join, but you had 90 days to join, if you failed to do so, the company had to fire you, no questions asked.

Unions were once a great thing, they provided protection for the American worker when it was needed due to over exploitation of the work force (Company stores which created a situation that might as well be slavery as an example). Today, they need to go away as many of the protections they were responsible for watching for are covered under OSHA and other regulatory means, thus the watch dog isn’t needed anymore and the only tricks they have left is salary and mandatory job security.

TKSnider on August 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Anyways, the teacher situation that this post is about. Truly a perfect example of absolute abuse. Almost exactly like if the dems pass healthcare on their own despite the polls showing majority against this particular legislation. If they do it, they will pay dearly. Those union members vote in thier bosses too.

CriticalUpdate on August 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM

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