Rove: The electoral consequences of killing Medicare Advantage
posted at 5:40 pm on August 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Over the past few weeks, I’ve written about Barack Obama’s plan to kill Medicare Advantage, a successful public-private partnership that extends benefits and access for Medicare patients, in order to pay for the overhaul of the American health-care system. We have personal experience with Medicare before and after buying into the Advantage program (which requires monthly premiums above those of Medicare Part B and D) and understand its value. Karl Rove looks at the electoral consequences of killing the program, to which 20% of all Medicare recipients belong, and warns that it could cost as many as 23,000 votes per Congressional district:
Medicare Advantage was enacted in 2003 to allow seniors to use Medicare funds to buy private insurance plans that fit their needs and their budgets. They get better care and better value for their money.
Medicare Advantage also has built-in incentives to encourage insurers to offer lower costs and better benefits. It’s a program that puts patients in charge, not the government, which is why seniors like it and probably why the administration hates it.
Already, an estimated 10.2 million seniors—one out of five in America—have enrolled in Medicare Advantage. Mr. Obama is proposing to cut the program by nearly 20% and thus reduce the amount of money each will have to buy insurance. This will likely force most of them to lose the insurance they have now. Yet Mr. Obama promised in late July in New Hampshire that, “if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan.”
There are roughly 23,400 seniors on average in a congressional district who have Medicare Advantage, but who face losing it if Mr. Obama has his way. That’s enough votes to tip most competitive House and Senate races.
Obama already has problems with seniors. His polling numbers have dropped dramatically among older voters, who see his targeting of Medicare and Medicare Advantage as dangerous to their health-care coverage. Continuing to press for its elimination will certainly motivate them to fight back at the voting booth in 2010.
The average difference between Democrats and Republicans in House races in 2008, by the way, was 22,979. Bear in mind that the Democrats had several strong winds at their backs, including an unpopular Republican administration against which to run, Barack Obama’s ability to turn out voters for his historic campaign, and a sense that the Democrats hadn’t had a chance to lay out their agenda. They managed to build a strong majority in the House with that average margin, which falls below Rove’s calculations of Medicare Advantage subscribers.
None of those strong winds will be at the backs of Democrats. Obama won’t be on the ballot, and the midterms will be a referendum on his policies rather than his personality. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid’s agenda has lost favor with the majority of Americans now that they’ve taken off the masks and laid it out for the nation to see. Democrats no longer have Bush to run against, although they’ll probably still try to use him as a bogeyman — and will get spanked for doing so. They can’t afford to lose 2,000 seniors in each district, let alone 23,400 — and seniors have the highest turnouts on Election Day.
This is as big a political loser as can be possibly imagined, and Blue Dogs should keep that in mind.










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da-dum. the other show just dropped on this epic failure of a president.
jbh45 on August 27, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Prediction:
Obama will back off the issue and simply run up a larger deficit, politically its easier and red ink means nothing to this admin.
rob verdi on August 27, 2009 at 5:45 PM
We all know elections are subject to voter fraud and intimidation. And the amount of time congressmembers have to spend raising funds, well let’s just cancel them from now own.
rbj on August 27, 2009 at 5:47 PM
The president has had a tough “vacation”…
right2bright on August 27, 2009 at 5:48 PM
This is good new line of attack. If we need the “public option” to “encourage competition” in the non-elderly market, why does the Administration want to shut down Medicare Advantage?
rockmom on August 27, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Yes Blue Dogs, please support this so we can stop this President from further eroding freedom in this country.
WashJeff on August 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM
It would be interesting to see the district by district stats from the last election for the seats that switched from Rep. to Dem. and/or seats that McCain won, but a Dem. was elected.
rockhead on August 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM
23k votes per district. Acorn, SEIU, New Black Panthers, Americor say that is nothing they can provide that many votes out of a trunk.
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Fascism has consequences, obama.
HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I think they view this option as a path that could erase Medicare in the extreme or, at a minimum, reduces government jobs.
I could use the premise of Medicar Advantage to move to a system where the government says we will have X dollars in the next fiscal year for medicare. We will have Y people on Medicare next fiscal year. Each person will get x/y dollars, go buy you own plan and you make up the difference.
From there you could reduce the subsidy over a long time (50 years) until people just never get taxed on this and the program is gone.
Since they may see this path, that’s why they want it gone.
WashJeff on August 27, 2009 at 5:54 PM
This program {Medicare Advantage} came into being along with health savings accounts when the prescription program was created. The Democrats thought Bush was not spending enough on the prescription program and they relented and allowed the program to go through in spite of the fact that the government did not negotiate with the drug companies. They intend to change that now.
The Bush administration wanted Medicare Advantage and health savings accounts, to them the drug program was just a concession to get the Democrats on board. At least that is what Santorum said on the Bill Bennet show not long ago.
In the end, the Democrats want to get rid of the Health Savings Accounts, get rid of Medicare Advantage and revamp the drug program so that it is entirely run by the government.
Bad idea.
Terrye on August 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Obama’s personalities (plural as in multiple), not personality (sigular)? On purpose?
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 5:57 PM
The advantage program is popular with the doctors too as they would rather deal with insurance companies than with the government.
docdave on August 27, 2009 at 5:58 PM
& they will all be mailed an end of life brochure…..
Ladywolfnl on August 27, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Saw a report — on Drudge? — that Osama Obama is going to take another vacation next week at Camp David to recover from this one….
MrScribbler on August 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM
The sad thing is that they claim this is an insurance company subsidy. It isn’t. This is the amount that Medicare sets aside for each Medicare recipient to pay for their claims.
If you don’t pay this money to Medicare Advantage (insurance companies), you will have to pay the claims for everyone dropping Medicare Advantage plans.
So in essence, cutting these payments to insurance companies won’t save the money. It will add to the liability of Medicare.
Of course, the politicians don’t know this. They don’t know anything about health care. They only know enough to get elected. Cutting MA payments to insurance companies won’t save them money. . . it will increase the liabilities that are already more than they bring in.
ThackerAgency on August 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM
So, ACORN only needs to bus-in 23,401 votes or so.
joeindc44 on August 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM
I deal with medicare advantage plans at work, and my mother has one. They are a marvelous hybrid, making things easier and more economical for both healthcare provider and patient.
It’s not just seniors who will be pissed off if they’re ended.
Mommynator on August 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM
. it will increase the liabilities that are already more than they bring in.
ThackerAgency on August 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM
The only solution is the final solution.
fourdeucer on August 27, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Still think we are all missing the point. Elections as we knew them, will no longer matter. Before the next one this country may be taken so far left that an election is meaningless. In my opinion, the administration doesn’t care about them as long as they get their legislation and policies in place now.
hillbilly on August 27, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Acorn: I’ll take that and raise you 30,000 new urban census fraud votes.
jukin on August 27, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Given that I’ve just spent the past year working with medicare advantage after my mom’s stroke, I can see that Obamacare is literally signing these seniors on to a whole lot of “nothing-care”. There are Sooooooo many things it covers that medicare doesn’t.
Obama is really an ungrateful little thug who hasn’t quite reached the realization that one day, he too will be old and need more than just some wagu beef and a few hours at the gym.
anniekc on August 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM
What went wrong with Obama’s plans?
http://sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com/2009/08/many-slip.html
History Chaser on August 27, 2009 at 6:23 PM
What Rove’s failing to calculate, however, is the number of seniors who’ll be afraid to vote when they see at their polling places rather large Holder-approved Black Panthers, brandishing rather large semi-automatic weapons.
TXUS on August 27, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Remember when the left was smashing Bush for not acknowledging that he was wrong about something or another in Iraq? I think it was the “being greeted with flowers” BS. (Which I found out, first hand, did indeed happen).
Now that Obama is wrong, these same people will vote to let your mother, father, grandmother, grandfather, die in order to give Obama his pet legislation.
PappaMac on August 27, 2009 at 6:32 PM
TXUS:
I beg to differ. These old people face death every damn day, they are not as afraid of some punk as most people half their age.
Terrye on August 27, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Beware of the old Bait & Switch – Obama will come out with “Cash for Codgers”
or something…
Isn’t that what Grandma does to keep the grandkids in line?
Does Obama think all seniors are senile??
izoneguy on August 27, 2009 at 6:38 PM
I hope Rove is right on this but we can’t wait till 2010 to kill this bill…we need to do it this year!
FloridaMike on August 27, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Is that more than ACORN can create?
JellyToast on August 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM
The doctors/front billing depts I’ve consulted would far rather deal with an Advantage Plan than with Medicare direct. It’s one submission after another to get a bill paid through Medicare, but surprise surprise, it may take 4 or 5 weeks for an Advantage Plan to pay, but they do pay. They have other benefits to their service as well. Most provide payment for a health club membership (provided you attend at least a few times a month), eye exams with an opthomologist – new glasses every 2 yrs. or so, dental maintenance via cleanings, and chiropractic care. To my limited knowledge Medicare does not provide those services. Advantage plans were into preventive healthcare long before ‘Bambi claimed he thought it up and promised to get you off the sofa.
Plus…far more doctors will see a patient with an Advantage plan than will treat a Medicare patient. All those benefits for an additional $350 to $500 a year. This whole issue of healthcare could be solved with nothing more than an extended Advantage Plan.
24K lady on August 27, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Here’s a crazy idea: get the damn government out of all health care….medicare, medicaid, part a, part b, part z.
angryed on August 27, 2009 at 6:49 PM
CAUTION! MODS TAKE NOTE!
The link posted at…
…just sent my computer into a tailspin of endless opening of new browser windows. Maybe it’s just me on this old Win2K box, but click the link at your own peril!
ornery_independent on August 27, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Is your computer a Dell? It knows that’s a right wing blog so it throws up when you go to it.
angryed on August 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM
JellyToast @6:43PM
We have to encourage people to use absentee ballots. That’s the only thing that will stop ACORNTHUGS dead in their tracks, and prevent threatening those who vote in person. Plus, it’s a lot cheaper than manning polling places with security.
24K lady on August 27, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Well, T, we all face death every day… and if Obamacare passes, it’ll come a lot quicker.
But, to your point, very few on Medicare have the Reaper on the doorstep, but might think twice with a Panther in their face.
Also, I’m sure you appreciate my exaggeration to make perhaps a larger point.
TXUS on August 27, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Good!!!
ohiobabe on August 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Dude, it IS a Dell. I didn’t know Dell was a lefty company.
ornery_independent on August 27, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Barry’s obviously hoping that by getting out of the Advantage program, some of those seniors will die off, thereby posing no threat to the Democrats. In addition, that will be less seniors to waste money on. A win-win as far as Barry can see.
GarandFan on August 27, 2009 at 7:05 PM
And he can then claim, “Hey, I told you there were no death panels”
anniekc on August 27, 2009 at 7:16 PM
If this is the case, perhaps we need to hope for the congress to push this monstrosity down our throats in early 2010 so that we can take back both chambers of in the Fall on an ‘repeal obamacare’ platform. I’d make that trade off in a hot minute.
DrW on August 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Time for another Sarah facebook posting.
huckleberryfriend on August 27, 2009 at 7:32 PM
It’s funny, Obama carried states like PA because their seniors simply vote Democrat and now they are getting exactly what the voted for.
cadams on August 27, 2009 at 8:12 PM
FYI, it worked fine on my PC….
Red State State of Mind on August 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM
This generalization, on the basis of one plan, is incorrect. While there are Medicare Advantage plans that charge premiums beyond Medicare parts B and D, these are generally plans that offer tons of extra benefits. Most Advantage Plans, like the one my wife and I have, require no payment beyond the Medicare Part B deduction from monthly social security payments. Though our plan, a PPO that offers many benefits including prescriptions, eye care and health club memberships, that straight Medicare doesn’t, the feds pay the insurance company just 95% of the monthly Medicare Part B payment, so everyone comes out ahead. No wonder Obama wants to kill it.
bgoldman on August 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM
When it comes to analysis like this, Rove is the smartest person in the room… Run for your political lives, Blue Dogs! RUN!
Khun Joe on August 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I have spent my entire professional life working with public and private healthcare. As a volunteer Medicare counselor, I am speechless on what I am going to do when the people I counsel, which are defined as aged & disabled, ask me what will happen to their Medicare Advantage plan goes away. I have to help these people pick plans that they can afford to see a doctor and buy food.
Someone please tell me that this is all a bad dream, Ronald Reagan is still President and there never was a Michael Vick (sorry-still grieving that I have no football team. That hurts too.)
margategop517 on August 28, 2009 at 12:46 AM
If they can get ObamaCare passed, nothing will happen right away anyhow…so folks will settle down and return to their automaton habits in the voting booth. Hell, I wonder how many people in Massachusetts will be paralyzed because there’s no “Edward Kennedy” to vote for and may have to be attended to by paramedics?
This is a long term thing…socialized medicine will take a decade or so before people realize how screwed up it is. It will seem great in the beginning.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 28, 2009 at 1:06 AM
It’s early and I’m just starting my coffee, but…
wouldn’t it only require a switch of 11,500 votes to reverse that outcome?
jeanneb on August 28, 2009 at 5:04 AM
Or out of a cemetery.
Steve Z on August 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM
EyeSurgeon on August 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM