ObamaCare: Divulging tax records to health-care bureaucrats
posted at 9:29 am on August 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Does ObamaCare threaten privacy rights, especially regarding federal tax returns? Appparently so, and the news comes from a surprising source. CBS’ Declan McCullagh takes a look at the arcane provisions in HR3200, the ObamaCare bill coming to the House floor once Congress comes out of hiding in September, and notices a disturbing provision that has implications for privacy:
One of the problems with any proposed law that’s over 1,000 pages long and constantly changing is that much deviltry can lie in the details. Take the Democrats’ proposal to rewrite health care policy, better known as H.R. 3200 or by opponents as “Obamacare.”
Section 431(a) of the bill says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of dependents, and “other information as is prescribed by” regulation. That information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for “affordability credits.”
Section 245(b)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details — there’s no specified limit on what’s available or unavailable — to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify “affordability credits.”
Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a “low-income prescription drug subsidy” but has not applied for it.
The latter is perhaps the most disturbing. In sections 431 and 245, the breach of privacy begins with an applicant requesting the “affordability credits,” or in more accurate language, subsidies (or perhaps even more honest, welfare). In 1801, the government simply grabs everyone’s records and starts perusing them, looking for welfare-qualified Americans who may not yet know it.
Gee, I wonder what else they’ll find — or who else will be looking, for that matter. HR3200 seems to let every Tom, Dick, and Barack into your supposedly private records. But hey, they’re from the government too, right? They must be here to help.
And if they’re this cavalier about your privacy on tax records, just imagine what they’ll do with your health records.









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George Washington had people like Obama in mind when he delivered his farewell address in 1796.
(Note highlighted passages)
http://cuial.com/George_Washington_Farewell_address_1796.pdf
izoneguy on August 27, 2009 at 9:31 AM
The Republic is drowning in Obama’s new cauldron of communism. Everyone should keep up the fight lest we lose it all.
rplat on August 27, 2009 at 9:32 AM
GET OUT OF MY LIFE!!! THE ARROGANCE!
marklmail on August 27, 2009 at 9:34 AM
What a surprise! Imagine: Osama Obama and his totalitarian thugs spreading your personal information around for one and all — including, no doubt, the ACORN-ites in the new Civilian Defense Corps (Obama Jugend), and every paper-shuffling
bureaudemocrat looking for fresh chickens to pluck.Unless the Child-President is removed from office and his cadre of lefty fanatics are weeded out of the government, I no longer believe the nation can survive.
MrScribbler on August 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Wasn’t the Constitution written only to keep the goverment out of your bedroom and uterus?
So who really cares if the feds have free access to your every conceivable financial record, so they can force you to work for them for half of the year.
That’s really not “slavery” in the technical sense.
And you’re still free to stick anything you want up your rectum, which is what really counts.
NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM
why?
moonbatkiller on August 27, 2009 at 9:36 AM
WTF is an “affordability credit”, I was under the impression that OgabeScare was going to be…you know…free to everyone?
Bishop on August 27, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Great! Now we will have the ACLU on our side to protect our privacy!!!
WashJeff on August 27, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Usama Hussein Obama wants total control and a Health Care Czar to take care of the small stuff!
Isn’t he great?
Cybergeezer on August 27, 2009 at 9:38 AM
The opposite of an Evil Wealthy Debit.
WashJeff on August 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM
“… but… but… but: TEDDY!!!!”
Kent18 on August 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Relax! It would be at least as safe as the results of the major league drug testing screen.
a capella on August 27, 2009 at 9:41 AM
What is this “income” you speak of?
LibTired on August 27, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Of course crap like this will lead to (if it already isn’t in the bill somewhere) a requirement that every person submit info to determine risk, such as how many guns are in your house.
Not that a few members of the
Black PanthersFriendly Civilian Peace and Harmony Corps will ever visit you in the middle of the night to seize such guns for your own good. No no noooooooo….confiscation would never occur. Nope.Bishop on August 27, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Note to Obama: I don’t need your help. I can decide for myself. Stay the hell out of my life.
ladyingray on August 27, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Awsome Marketing Opportunity!!!!! Coming later today….
THE OBAMA BUTTPLUG. Yes you too can put it where the sun don’t shine.
lm10001 on August 27, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Please, Dems, Please, please, Please! Ram this through! Try with all your pelosi might to pass this!
Please!
bridgetown on August 27, 2009 at 9:43 AM
But…but…but you guys are mistaken. Facism is a property of the Right. Kanda said so. All is well. This is all for your own good and the good of the State.
kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Does anybody have any doubt that with or without these provisions this crowd, with a tax cheat in charge, isn’t going to be looking at individual tax records.
At the same time, what this is showing us is who these people really are.
TXUS on August 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM
This should come as no surprise to anyone paying attention. Access to your info leads to more control over your actions, which is what Obama is all about (and incidentally, one of the only ways that he’ll survive politically-political speech chilled cold as ice, you see).
The biggest mistake the Dems made with whole thing was to allow the “read the bill” mantra to gain traction b/c now the more scrutiny the details get, the more likely that it will fail. Which isn’t a bad thing.
volnation on August 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Porkulus established the mandatory health records database, the one that’s supposed to track us from cradle to grave. We need to drive a stake through that sucker’s heart, too.
My health records are private, I never agreed to a government takeover of them. My spouse can’t access my health records under current laws, why should Barney Frank? How do I opt out?
obladioblada on August 27, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Wow, another good reason not to file a tax return…
t-bear on August 27, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Even if you could afford private health care, you won’t have a choice. They are going to force you to take government rationing. I hate those people more than I could ever express.
SouthernGent on August 27, 2009 at 9:47 AM
All part of the transparency policy. Not government, just ours.
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM
ouch…peerless insight there NoDonkey. And true.
DanMan on August 27, 2009 at 9:50 AM
The fact that I have to file a tax return in the first place is a violation of my privacy. That said, even the SS guards at the Dept. of Education which administers my student loan have to ask my permission to pull my tax return every year and to determine if my payment needs to be adjusted up or down.
NoLeftTurn on August 27, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Is it OK to start calling the Obama Administration a thugocracy yet?
And where are the shrieking voices condemning “government” for compiling information on private citizens?
Remember how incensed they all were when the EvilBushHitler was monitoring overseas phone calls to suspected terrorists? Or maybe checking out your library book choices?
But…this is different, right?
Current meme is that anyone who questions Obama is a racist. Gee, the choices…to be called a racist or to call oneself a free American?
coldwarrior on August 27, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I’ve got night sights they better not smile.
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM
I watched “Enemy of the State” last night. It fits nicely with the current government “reforms” taking place today.
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Why wouldn’t your tax information and your health records be collated with your political voting/donating records?
Would be useful for the Death Panel to know who is more likely to preserve their power the longest.
Brian1972 on August 27, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Death Panel Czar
faraway on August 27, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Since income status changes, they will have to do this every year.
I think they want to give us all the same insurance policy and charge everyone a different price for it based on income. A progressive tax in the form of a health insurance policy.
Buddahpundit on August 27, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Income tax records–check
Health records–check
Bank account info–check
Doesn’t leave much, does it? How long before credit report history, library card use, magazine subscriptions, buying patterns, etc. are glommed onto?
Paranoid my ass.
hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Didn’t ogabe formerly work for the tax cheat’s dad? Or his atheist white mama did, for the Ford charity? The commies are all inter-connected, like incestuous family.
(I have NEVER witnessed so many man crushes out in the open, too; it is downright creepy, like one of them might bum-rush ogabe & blow him right there in front of potus and all of America). ick
Nepotism, communism, crony-ism. And they are like a hive, with all members as drones, each contributing to the one brain. And that one brain is mentally ill.
Ris4victory on August 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Kill the bill. Kill the bill.
publiuspen on August 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM
My point was, I am actually scared now. I will fight, no question about it; I will be at the Capitol on 9/12. But I am fully freaked. GB is showing info that makes me cry.
Ris4victory on August 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM
If Obama could, I think he would use federal funds leverage to force the states to index all fees and charges to income – licenses, registrations, speeding tickets, construction permits, phone bills, utility bills, and so on. Maybe color code our income instead of actual numbers – so my US ID card would be , hey – I’m Orange – add another 179% to that bill, please! Its only fair.
tomg51 on August 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM
You forgot one.
Political donations, voting patterns-check
Brian1972 on August 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM
WTF are “affordability credits”? Are they like “carbon offset credits”?
Cheese and rice this is out of control.
milwife88 on August 27, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Only those with nothing to lose accept the further intrusion of government into their personal lives. Make little-to-nothing in your chosen career? So what if the government knows. These people would as soon show you the warts on their a$$es if it meant they got something for nothing. Cruise over to the CBS News comments to see how many libtards are afflicted.
It comes down to pride – something the liberal mindset struggles with. When you have no pride, you don’t care what others see – warts and all.
NumberTwo on August 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM
You are right, Obladio…Not just “no,” but “No, NO and HELL NO!” One clear, resounding message shouted all over the land.
indypat on August 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Australia has done it the easy way. Here, the Tax Office does it all, and levies the fines if you don’t comply with regulations.
Ooops! Perhaps I shouldn’t have put that in writing – might give your lot some ideas.
OldEnglish on August 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Gubmint cheeze writ large.
hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM
For being the most secretive guy in America, he sure wants to know all about me. How about a little give and take. I’ll show you my tax records if you show me your mortgage papers.
Tommy_G on August 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM
It is why they are in Jihad mode on passing the thing Ed.
Every $ociali$t nation who has UHC has no privacy in the way we conceptualize it. The beast needs money so everything in your financial life is game. They will micromanage your lifestyle to no end in the name of “cost control”.
This is the ultimate Trojan Donkey and a genuine gamechanger as regards their constant subversion of the democratic process and Constitution.
sven10077 on August 27, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Even CBS is finding problems with the health care bill. It must be really really bad.
hawksruleva on August 27, 2009 at 10:02 AM
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
BottomLine5 on August 27, 2009 at 10:02 AM
I think Ed mentioned this the other day, those who are pro abortion screamed “get the government out of my my womb”, yet gladly accept them over their entire body now…
Intellectually dishonest, those.
rightside on August 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
+1000
marklmail on August 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
They’re your money, being given to someone else.
hawksruleva on August 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
+1
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Are there “second opinions” in government healthcare? Wouldn’t one government doctor be the same as the next? Just curious.
tomg51 on August 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
I wonder when they’re going to require academic transcripts? Odinglenuts should lead the way by disclosing his.
mr.blacksheep on August 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
C’mon. He’s not a death panel Czar. That person would only be deciding who gets treatment and who doesn’t. How is that affecting anyone’s life?
hawksruleva on August 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
I want some Kennedy Kredits, so I can be a total F/U and never pay the consequences.
Akzed on August 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM
+1 million.
This is unbelievable.
BuckeyeSam on August 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Stand by for a BIGGER black market than already exists.
This country is a powder keg and the IRS is the defacto enforcer of the peace.
Exercise, eat right, buy gold, pay cash and clean up your credit picture. It is the ONLY way to survive what is coming.
seejanemom on August 27, 2009 at 10:07 AM
What is this really is tort reform.
If you make the system 100% government, maybe you can’t sue.
tomg51 on August 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Can’t imagine why Hussein wanted to ram this catastrophe of a bill through the house and senate before the August break.
I’m glad I don’t have a hard copy of this bill in my house, because it must stink to high heaven.
fogw on August 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Wait until the Feds start assigning extra risk costs to people based on the food they eat, the activities they enjoy, and the cars they drive. Motorcyclists will get special attention.
Bishop on August 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Access to tax records is just one more outrage in a series toward Obama’s ultimate goal.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWQ2NWJkN2M3ZmJjYWQwMDZlMWQyM2FjNWI4ZWJkNGI=
How the hell did this happen???
We got a country to rescue. Start melting those phone lines as soon as they get back.
doctormom on August 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Tomg51 10:08 – What IF, you fool!
tomg51 on August 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Part of the problem is that most people are too busy to take the time to do proper research. They rely on others to do that work for them. This is why politicians put out bills that are 600-1000 pagers or more. They know many people will not be able to read much less comprehend that kind of legislation. The left is completely satisfied with this situation because for now they are reaping all the benefit. What they forget or fail to understand is that our current leadership believes in earning your own way. We have seen the hints put out by various Obama officials and those closest to him. Eventually that is going to come home to roost in fact. When it is enforced that only productive members of society will be rewarded then you will hear the outcry of the left but never before. The left is still dining on cake while drunk on the wine of victory in the last national election.
Some nn the right see the warning signs. They are providing the information. Folks like Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity. I left off Rush because after listening to him for 20+ years he seems to have become elitist. That is my opinion but he is an entertainer and capitalist first and foremost and I say more power to him.
People are fundamentally lazy I guess esoecuakky those in the left. There are also some on the right who are lazy. Look at some here who are closed minded. I have noticed a few who manufacture their own mud to throw at the opposition when there is plenty of available natural mud 10 feet away but it takes work to retrieve. Laziness in not the exclusive domain of the left.
If we don’t become involved with the political process beyond posting on Hot Air and other conservative blogs How can we expect to change things for the better.
Occasionally, we send and email off to our representative and senators when we get particularly passionate on a issue. Typically it ends there. We need to develop real passion folks. That means follow up, follow, up follow up. Demand your politicians address your concern. Don’t accept the form letter that most send back. Call their offices both in your commuity and in Washington. Send follow up emails. Ask the tough hard questions. Denand homest answer. Be civil but don’t be hesitant about standing up and being counted. Understand politicians work for us the American people. They are accountable to us through the ballot box. The ballot box is a very powerful tool when used properly. We will need to throw a few more politicians out before they receive and understand the message we are sending. Politicians only respect the people when the people inspect the job they are doing. The rest of the time they spend catering to special interests. That is true of both parties. Include praise when they get it right. Follow up on that as well. It’s about accountability. We should all hold them accountable.
I hope we can find unity among our Republican Party to stand up to the threat from the left. I hope we as conservatives demand our representatives in government represent our views and values. That is how we can stop this trend to bury within legislation these little details that one by one circumvent our constitution and strip us of our privacy and freedom.
kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:11 AM
so will gun owners and we *are* in the database by social security number…
enjoy gay sex?
constitutionally protected no penalty
own a gun?
sorry Mr. Jones but we’ve analyzed the economic impact of accidental discharges and decided you need a higher premium…
NOTHING is ever free.
sven10077 on August 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM
I don’t think there is anything in the bill about this, but w/ gov’t controlling health care, will they have complete access to all of everyone’s medical records?
I would assume so. does this mean they will have access to everyone’s dna, for instance? Fingerprints?
the gov’t will know who seeks treatment for some kind of addiction, who has a sexually transmitted disease, etc.
But I’m sure they’ll keep all that data in the strictest confidence and won’t ever use it in any untoward manner.
Monkeytoe on August 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM
What exactly do you think will happen? Financially/politically – both? Bad as is in challenging, or bad as in Obamageddon bad? Thoughts?
volnation on August 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM
exactly ask Joe the Plumber…
sven10077 on August 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM
One other point. Last week, some moronic liberal was trying to justify the banking-records provision on the theory that the feds needed some way to confirm people’s income levels. That’s nonsense in that reviewing banks records are an ass-backward way to do so. The IRS might do so in what are called “lifestyle” audits, but again, it’s a difficult way to recreate income.
Now, we learn that they’ll have authority to check federal income tax returns, so that blows the liberal’s argument about banking records.
In all events, we need another Palin Facebook post to bring this to the attention of Americans. Everyone hates the IRS. This will be very unpopular with too many Americans. What will we call the bureaucrats reviewing our income tax record?
How about Income Redistribution Panels or “Spreadin’ the Wealth” Panels? In the end, that’s what Obama is all about. God forgive me, but I realize that plenty of whites will stupidly run off the cliff with Obama. But do blacks and Hispanics feel so downtrodden in this country that they so overwhelmingly favor this Obama vision for redistribution? It’s unbelievable.
BuckeyeSam on August 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM
The care will be bad, scarce, and the mechanism needed to get it horribly invasive.
The economic impact of Jesus H. Executive’s overeaching and incompetence will lead at foirst to stagflation then eventually balkanization of the nation into regional enclaves.
The death of the US will either happen with or without organized bloodhsed but the Republic will not survive what Barry has in store for it….too many states will refuse to be led down the pens to the abbatoir.
sven10077 on August 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM
It absolutely is in the bill. The National HealthCare ID card will contain all, ALL, of your health information, and a great deal of your financial info to boot.
What this means essentially is that the State no longer needs a search warrant to get access to your medical and financial information. They already have it.
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Reparations.
daesleeper on August 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM
With all of our rights slowly gradually being taken away I am truely scared for our nation. BTW I do not freighten easily. If congress is not going to stand up to the unconstitutional acts of this administration then who will?
I still beleive in that the majority of Americans are good decent patriotic people. If given the truth would unite and stand up. There is only a few with the courage and charactor to call a spade a spade (no racial tone meant).
Any logical assessment of what is transpiring would come to the conclusion that we may go the way of Venezuela. I’d say vote out all incumbents in 2010 but I have lost faith that we will see any more fair elections.
It may come a time when the good people of this country have to fight to keep our liberties. I for one pray we are able to correct this course peacefully. I will never strike the match but I will darn sure carry a torch.
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM
CHAPAQUITIC CARE. No thanks! Hey, they took the gloves off using Kennedy’s death to fuel their agenda, not me. While this fight goes on, the MOB is whats running your White House. Its ironic all the Kennedy tragedy and who is in the White House right now. Gee I don’t know any other families that have two assinations in them do you?
Lord please forgive me.
johnnyU on August 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Fascism.
And soon we will have the Stasi, what with kids being drafted into the census.
Census, then (or continued) is your household “green”, then ‘do mommy & daddy let the utility company regulate the thermostat’, then ‘what tv & radio show do they listen to’.
rbj on August 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Up with this shit I will no longer put!
Sefton on August 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Congress are the ones putting this stuff in it.
p0s3r on August 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM
I would assume so. does this mean they will have access to everyone’s dna, for instance? Fingerprints?
the gov’t will know who seeks treatment for some kind of addiction, who has a sexually transmitted disease, etc.
But I’m sure they’ll keep all that data in the strictest confidence and won’t ever use it in any untoward manner.
Monkeytoe on August 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM
This is another of the subtle goings on in Washington. Go to HHS.gov and read up on HIPPA. Many of the laws congress makes are intertwined with others laws. It is may be truthful or not that the healthcare bill addresses the issue but this is current law. Below is the rule from the HHS HIPPA website on who is covered by the privacy rule. Take note that the government itself is NOT required to respect the privacy of our medical records. Who’d a thunk it?
kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I remember when lefties were worried that the gov’t would find out what books they had checked out of the library.
Now they are fine w/ the gov’t having your entire economic record and all your medical records.
Strange.
Monkeytoe on August 27, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Reality Check (Redux):
Income: Under $30,000
Voting: Republican
Decision: No Life Sustaining Drugs – Let Die.
This is our fate under Obiecare/Chappaquiddiccare
TimothyJ on August 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Kind of like the way the don’t want the bible in any public gathering place but porn is a ok.
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Subtly, and then increasingly less subtly, don’t comply.
JiangxiDad on August 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM
I know that. Maybe what I should have said was that they are co-conspirators in this takeover of our country.
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Only if SCOTUS rules in our favor.
chemman on August 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Remember the outrage over the violation of privacy with regard to sections of the Patriot Act?
Gee, I wonder if we will see the same wailing and gnashing of teeth over this provision in this abomination of legislation.
mountainmanbob on August 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Kind of like when they screech when religion is brought into politics but then tell us it’s our Christian duty to pass socialized healthcare.
Monkeytoe on August 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Sorry I did the quote wrong in my previous reply.
Yes your point is very well made. The left if nothing else seems to me to be a partisan animal. Look at how their (the Liberal politicians) view of the war has changed in only a few months. Where is the hue and cry “Gitmo must go” where is the hue and cry ” war of choice”. The left is very shallow. I cannot point to even one princple that they will not violate (if you assume they have any princiles). In contrast I do not see Republicans giving up on free enterprise, the sanctity of life (think abortion), or God for example.
kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM
The sad thing is, the Dems will spend infintely more time looking into our personal records than they did looking into what’s in the national health care bill.
fogw on August 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I hate this version of the United States.
Mommypundit on August 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM
This is exactly what I have been saying since this monster was introduced. Even the stuff you do know is bad enough – but this thing is so big and so far reaching that it will surely have many serious unintended and unknown and unforeseen consequences. Once these show up it will be too late.
AusTex girl on August 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM
That’s the money quote. The language in the bill is bad enough, but the open ended power it gives to unelected regulators is astonishing.
Every time you see “as is prescribed by regulation”, read that to mean “we can do whatever the hell we want”.
RadClown on August 27, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Time has not diminished the power of these words. Consent of the governed. Dwell on that for a moment. We don’t consent to those things being done by our government. We have elected officials openly and freely stating that they don’t care what the people they represent want, and shall do as only they see fit.
Constitutional Convention? It may come to that. The only other option for the governed to end the tyranny is to eneact term limits for ALL elected officials.
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Nice! you win. :)
HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM
This is a good point. As many Republican politicians point out these issues they are civil about it while the left for the most part is rather shrill and uncivilzed. It is a quandy for us. Some of us conservatives grow frustrated with the tactics of the left and in a monent of weakenss return the uncivulzed behavior in kind. That get a lot of exposure in the liberal media. Personally, I believe when we do it it harms are cause. On the other hand I understand it and do not blame our fellow conservatives for falling into the trap. We conservatives and not as sophisicated as the left effectively when they do this as yet. We will learn. We wlii find a way to get our message across. Sometimes it can be a simple as letting the left polititicans talk. Look at how the town hall meetings are exposing their emotion filled rebuttle to our simply asking questions. Some of them are coming off as elitist and totally closed minded. The more we give the american people this kind of contrast we are winning converts who support our position even among the liberals. By keeping it civilized they are being exposed for wath they are. More importantly their ideas are being exposed to public scrutiny and the public is begining to dislike what they see.
kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM
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