ObamaCare: Divulging tax records to health-care bureaucrats

posted at 9:29 am on August 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Does ObamaCare threaten privacy rights, especially regarding federal tax returns?  Appparently so, and the news comes from a surprising source.  CBS’ Declan McCullagh takes a look at the arcane provisions in HR3200, the ObamaCare bill coming to the House floor once Congress comes out of hiding in September, and notices a disturbing provision that has implications for privacy:

One of the problems with any proposed law that’s over 1,000 pages long and constantly changing is that much deviltry can lie in the details. Take the Democrats’ proposal to rewrite health care policy, better known as H.R. 3200 or by opponents as “Obamacare.”

Section 431(a) of the bill says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of dependents, and “other information as is prescribed by” regulation. That information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for “affordability credits.”

Section 245(b)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details — there’s no specified limit on what’s available or unavailable — to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify “affordability credits.”

Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a “low-income prescription drug subsidy” but has not applied for it.

The latter is perhaps the most disturbing.  In sections 431 and 245, the breach of privacy begins with an applicant requesting the “affordability credits,” or in more accurate language, subsidies (or perhaps even more honest, welfare).  In 1801, the government simply grabs everyone’s records and starts perusing them, looking for welfare-qualified Americans who may not yet know it.

Gee, I wonder what else they’ll find — or who else will be looking, for that matter.  HR3200 seems to let every Tom, Dick, and Barack into your supposedly private records.  But hey, they’re from the government too, right?  They must be here to help.

And if they’re this cavalier about your privacy on tax records, just imagine what they’ll do with your health records.


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They say once this passes, we can never repeal it. I say they’re wrong. If this ever passes. The American public will rise up (at least those who pay taxes) and demand it’s repeal. But let’s not wait that long: DC 9/12.

Christian Conservative on August 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I hate this version of the United States.

Mommypundit on August 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Don’t give up hope. This version is not totally in place. We can still prevent it from becoming reality. It takes action… activism is a word I typically use to describe the lliberals but it is time we had a little conservative activism to turn back the tide. What is happening in the town halls must be working or they would not be calling out their good squads and union thugs. That renews my faith that ultimately will will prevail.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Up with this shit I will no longer put!

Sefton on August 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Clever. You don’t happen to be wearing a powdered wig and ruffly shirt? :)
I like it!

milwife88 on August 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

should be “we will prevail”

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Up with this shit I will no longer put!

Sefton on August 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Clever. You don’t happen to be wearing a powdered wig and ruffly shirt? :)
I like it!

milwife88 on August 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I associated it with Yoda. Very Clever and to the point.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Christian Conservative on August 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM

See ya there.

HoustonRight on August 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM

But…but…but you guys are mistaken. Facism is a property of the Right. Kanda said so. All is well. This is all for your own good and the good of the State.

kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Dont troll me with this stuff Kingjester. Go over to the Kennedy thread and continue there. This issue here is too important to let the likes of you hijack the thread.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM

I associated it with Yoda. Very Clever and to the point.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I saw one of our founding fathers. I am still laughing at that one.

milwife88 on August 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM

These gov’t morons can help but leak information sensitive to national security…what will stop them from leaking health information of someone who doesn’t agree with their policies?

search4truth on August 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Take all of the aforementioned violations of our rights and our lives, add in Napolitano’s trial balloon definition of domestic terrorists and right-wing extremists, throw in the usurpation of the census to the White House mob, blend in the recent shift of supervision for interrogations for suspected terrorists, and you’ve got yourself one hell of a recipe.

Consider the Jug-eared One’s support for the Chavista Zelaya in Honduras (alongside Chavez and Castro) against the wishes of their duly elected representatives and the rulings of their courts.

It starts to come into a little sharper focus when you put all of the elements together, and it is not a pretty picture.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM

They say once this passes, we can never repeal it. I say they’re wrong. If this ever passes. The American public will rise up (at least those who pay taxes) and demand it’s repeal. But let’s not wait that long: DC 9/12.

Christian Conservative on August 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Certainly if it passes in it present form it will be almost impossible to repeal. Some form of health care reform is necessary. I think that is obvious to anyone who pays for their own healthcare as I do as a play on words and a star wars refeerence to boot (Thank you Reagan)

This plan is not the reform we seek…move along.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM

These gov’t morons can help but leak information sensitive to national security…what will stop them from leaking health information of someone who doesn’t agree with their policies?

search4truth on August 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM

This is the kind o message we need to get out to the American people. It will get them to start to Think…opps…tthinking is hard work.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Ed, finally a mention/hint at one of the most sinister, BIG BROTHER aspects of this health-care debacle.

A giant CENTRAL medical records database system, and the plans are to do just that. The politacal power that can be mined from this information should give everyone the CREEPS. I believe Michelle mentions this in her book in the Sebelius section.

Imagine for a second, in the never ending need to cut costs or raise revenues, connecting this database with umm say… a credit card system. Oh, this person with high cholesterol and a history of heart troubles, just went through the drive-thru at McDonalds for a number 1, Big Mac with Fries and a Coca Cola, supersized… for the 2nd time this week! We need to curb this behaviour because this is gonna cost us big bucks down the road, then your cost or taxes go up, because that Big Mac is viewed as a risky behavior.

If they tie this database to the IRS, then you can be sure that there will be a formula that determines how much you can pay, (being “fair” and all that bs) and if you make over (insert income level here) and you smoke or eat too many twinkies, well you get screwed on your health care costs.

maineconservative on August 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM

The likes of me? I’m not the one who turned the Teddy Thread into a book-length dissertation of how the Nazis were actually right-wing. Just keep bloviating.

kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Census, then (or continued) is your household “green”, then ‘do mommy & daddy let the utility company regulate the thermostat’, then ‘what tv & radio show do they listen to’.

rbj on August 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM

One thing the census taker will quickly learn is whether daddy has any firearms around the house.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I meant to mention the people in Jug-ears’ past and upbringing who influenced his thinking and worldview, and some of his previous statements that indicate his redistributive tendencies. I’m sure I’ve left out plenty, that’s a pretty good start.

Form your own conclusions.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM

kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

It is a moby attempting to establish credibility. Very transparent.

daesleeper on August 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Can I use Charlie Rangel’s tax returns or at least his accountant?

Just A Grunt on August 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

daesleeper on August 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Thanks. I truly appreciate the support of the fellow veteran posters at Hot Air.

kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Citizen, you made donations to churches and charities. Clearly you should have spent that on health care, and thus will be denied any further benefits.

AnotherOpinion on August 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Ed, finally a mention/hint at one of the most sinister, BIG BROTHER aspects of this health-care debacle.

A giant CENTRAL medical records database system, and the plans are to do just that. The politacal power that can be mined from this information should give everyone the CREEPS. I believe Michelle mentions this in her book in the Sebelius section.

Imagine for a second, in the never ending need to cut costs or raise revenues, connecting this database with umm say… a credit card system. Oh, this person with high cholesterol and a history of heart troubles, just went through the drive-thru at McDonalds for a number 1, Big Mac with Fries and a Coca Cola, supersized… for the 2nd time this week! We need to curb this behaviour because this is gonna cost us big bucks down the road, then your cost or taxes go up, because that Big Mac is viewed as a risky behavior.

If they tie this database to the IRS, then you can be sure that there will be a formula that determines how much you can pay, (being “fair” and all that bs) and if you make over (insert income level here) and you smoke or eat too many twinkies, well you get screwed on your health care costs.

maineconservative on August 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

It comes down to trust in this case. Do any of use trust that the government will not abuse that medical database at some point? Do any of us trust that this database will only be sued for medical related issues? Do any of us trust that this database will NOT be used to evalutate things such as auto insurance, life insurance, drivers licences, along with a 100 other ways? Do any of us trust that the government can be trusted with our madical information?

In High school back in the early ’60’s, I had one teacher Mr McManis who had us read 1984 by Gorge Orwell. What is happening today with all the double talk by our politicians reminds me of the world described in the book. If you have never read it you might pick up a copy of 1984 and give it a read.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Citizen, you made donations to churches and charities. Clearly you should have spent that on health care, and thus will be denied any further benefits.

AnotherOpinion on August 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Ah “progressives”, making a great leap forward to 1789.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM

The likes of me? I’m not the one who turned the Teddy Thread into a book-length dissertation of how the Nazis were actually right-wing.

kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Yes Just keep bloviating. You are good at that at least. While you’re doing that I am ignoring you with the exception posting this reply so you know I didn’t miss your post. In the future in this thread and any other thread not related to the Kennedy thread I will not reply to you but I will notify Hot Air of your trolling until they remove one of us. Unless you post on topic I will not reply to you just so you know.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM

In 1801, the government simply grabs everyone’s records and starts perusing them, looking for welfare-qualified Americans who may not yet know it.

Building that permanent dependent (Democratic) majority. Hugo and Fidel would be proud.

PattyJ on August 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Citizen, you made donations to churches and charities. Clearly you should have spent that on health care, and thus will be denied any further benefits.

AnotherOpinion on August 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Ah “progressives”, making a great leap forward to 1789.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Yes, I remember a time in this country when we wouod have laughed at such a comment. Now it is just plain scarey. It really it.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM

you know what? we all know people who work for cash & don’t report it. we all know people who barter.

those people better watch out for their salaried friends who turn them in.

this is going to be dog eat dog.

kelley in virginia on August 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM

you know what? we all know people who work for cash & don’t report it. we all know people who barter.

those people better watch out for their salaried friends who turn them in.

this is going to be dog eat dog.

kelley in virginia on August 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Yes I agree both of those activites violate IRS code (unless properly reported on your tax return as you point out).

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM

you know what? we all know people who work for cash & don’t report it. we all know people who barter.

kelley in virginia on August 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Hey, is the term “Black Market” officially racist now? If so, can we call it “Back-channel marketing” or “undocumented retail sales”?

BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Ah “progressives”, making a great leap forward to 1789.

That year sounds familiar… Oh yeah! The French Revolution begins with the storming of the Bastille and much hilarity ensues, what with monarchs, royalists, nobles & notables (many of whom were czar-friendly) losing their heads in public plazas.

Economic statistic of that year: 25% out of work in Paris!

ExpressoBold on August 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM

It comes down to trust in this case. Do any of use trust that the government will not abuse that medical database at some point? Do any of us trust that this database will only be sued for medical related issues? Do any of us trust that this database will NOT be used to evalutate things such as auto insurance, life insurance, drivers licences, along with a 100 other ways? Do any of us trust that the government can be trusted with our madical information?

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Exactly, they cannot be trusted with this information. It is a slippery slope… special interest will donate heavily to any canditate that allows them to run queries against this information and mine it for their own selfish motivations, such as insurance companies.

Such a system is a goldmine of valuable information that can be used for selfish purposes outside of medicine.

It’s definately “Orwellian” and downright scary.

Don’t get me wrong, such a system could also be used for a lot of good and streamline things in a major way, but I just don’t see this group of 538 people in congress being trustworthy enough to do the right thing.

maineconservative on August 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM

hat year sounds familiar… Oh yeah! The French Revolution begins with the storming of the Bastille and much hilarity ensues, what with monarchs, royalists, nobles & notables (many of whom were czar-friendly) losing their heads in public plazas.

Economic statistic of that year: 25% out of work in Paris!

ExpressoBold on August 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM

yes and as an historical sidenote it is from the aftermath of the french revolution that the terms left and right came to represent the political position.

Left = Commoner while Right = Aristocrat

This represented the seating position in the legislature relative to the speaker. Unfortunately, the Revolution itself led to the Dictatorship of Napolean in 1799. That is because those who won the revolution had no idea how to govern IMHO.

Is there an analgy in that to the present US administration? Rephrased for the benefit of the Liberals reading Hot Air I say be careful what you hope and change for. You can hope but it will change.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Forward Fascism! Onward Purple Shirted Thugs! Long live the Special Interests! We know what is best for you! Submit! Liberty is Obsolete! Freedom is Slavery! The State is Freedom!

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Left = Commoner while Right = Aristocrat

Left= The more radical revolutionary ideas. The Perpetual Revolution Crowd! AKA Progressives.

Right= Tradition.

The modern Right was at one time the Radical Left. Civil Liberties, Republicanism and Secularism. Now these ideas are the Old Order, the order that must be destroyed by the Perpetual Revolution.

Of course, there is a problem with this spectrum in America. Conservatives have only had political power since the 80s, about 20-30 years. The Progressives have been in power since Teddy Roosevelt!

If anyon represents the old order it is the Modern Left.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

I truly see all sorts of potential abuses for this medical records database. All of which inocently enough sound benificial to society. Why we could find ex convicts by noting their records contain prison health records. We could locate dead beat parents who don;t pay their childsupport and have left the state. Why we could even find out which right wing extremists were once in the military. Not to mention Hacking of the database. Records manipulation. Can you imagine a spouse in a divorce case demaing your medical record to “determine” if there is anything in your medical hisroty that would help their case. Save for the lawyers in a civil matter like a simple auto accident. Sure there will be the court challenges and supreme court ruling. Do we want to risk even that?

Those are some considerations why the danger level is so high on the issue of a central medical records database..

On the plus side it would simplify many medical related issues such as access to test results previously taken. That alone could save us all a lot of money. It would allow our record to follow us when we changed physicians. There are benefits. The goal should be for the politicians to work hard at finding a way to provide us the benefit while avoiding the pitfalls of a central database.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Of course, there is a problem with this spectrum in America. Conservatives have only had political power since the 80s, about 20-30 years. The Progressives have been in power since Teddy Roosevelt!

If anyon represents the old order it is the Modern Left.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

That is pretty much correct. I believe the pope had something to do with the juxtapostion of the roles back in the mid 1930’s. Oddly enough that was an outgrowth of the desire to prevent the spread of communism that was then so attractive across europe. It clarified the political right in association to conservative philosophy.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Oddly enough that was an outgrowth of the desire to prevent the spread of communism that was then so attractive across europe.

That started before FDR, before Wilson and before Teddy Roosevelt. It goes back to Otto von Bismark who erected a Welfare State in Germany, with the intent of curbing Communism. He did this in the latter half of the 1800s.

That Welfare State morphed into Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the culmination of German Progressivism; that is German Left Politics.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM

But…but…but you guys are mistaken. Facism is a property of the Right. Kanda said so.

Kanda really needs to research Mussolini and his favorite ally, Adolph.

jimmy2shoes on August 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM

All your data are belong to us, period.

They think that’s fair.

Alana on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

The health care bureaucracy would be basically a one-stop source of all information on people. Your tax records, financial history, medical history, everything about you.

No candidate could run for office or popular pundit criticize the administration without the most intimate details of their private lives being perused by partisan employees and “leaked” to the press.

If a private insurance company “leaks” private information, they can be sued. You won’t be able to sue the federal government. You might be able to get a federal employee put on suspension or transferred but I doubt you could get them fired.

No thanks.

crosspatch on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

In 1801, the government simply grabs everyone’s records and starts perusing them, looking for welfare-qualified Americans who may not yet know it.

This is part of the Cloward-Piven strategy: to bring the govt to its knees.

JustTruth101 on August 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM

What exactly do you think will happen? Financially/politically – both? Bad as is in challenging, or bad as in Obamageddon bad? Thoughts?

volnation on August 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Well, lets see… from a financial perspective…

We have some inkling that the true unemployment rate is being covered up.

There are banks that should be seized, but aren’t because they would immediately bankrupt the FDIC. Banks are holding onto foreclosed properties to avoid reporting losses, and thus becoming insolvent.

Ben Bernake committed blatant perjury when he lied to Congress that the Fed was not monetizing the debt. 47% ($7 billion) of the August 7-year bond sale was bought by the Fed and monetized. (The 5-year bond sale went just as bad.) The problem is, nobody wants our debt.

The entire banking system in The United States had its non-performing loan ratio increase from 5.58% in the first quarter to 6.49% in the second, a record, and higher than the 5% level at which the survival of a bank(ing system) is threatened with collapse. (link)

Retail sales stink on ice because consumers don’t have money, and instead of increasing debt to buy things, are actually paying them off and saving. I predict the Christmas season will end up bankrupting many retail chains.

I pray that this won’t happen, but this administration seems bound and determined to track to it…. [sigh]

I would comment on politics, but just the fact that you’re hear posting means that you have some idea…

So, yes… I’m a little concerned about the *experts* we have at the reins…

dominigan on August 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM

That started before FDR, before Wilson and before Teddy Roosevelt. It goes back to Otto von Bismark who erected a Welfare State in Germany, with the intent of curbing Communism. He did this in the latter half of the 1800s.

That Welfare State morphed into Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the culmination of German Progressivism; that is German Left Politics.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM


I apologize to those who would rather see short answers. I take it seriously that our nation as we know it is in mortal danger from the left at this time in our history. I know some people would rather have short snappy answers that make fun of the opposing view. I believe we are at a critical juncture in the US. This is perhaps our final opportunity to turn back the tide and save our republic. Let us not lose the perspective on the issue and get lost in the symantics of whether or not fasism was a right or left political philosophy. Even the most educated scholars cannot entirely agree on where it belongs. That is partly due to the incidious nature of fascism. Where is lies on the political spectrum is less important than what is was, and what it did. Personally, I believe it was an extreme right wing position as it relates to Nazi Germany. That discussion occurs in the kennedy thread if anyone desires to continue it.

Yes Those are valid points and you articulate them well. I understand how people assume liberalizing of the economy as it related to Bismarks Germany as meaning liberal in terms of politics. In reality it meant in terms of his economic policy. That is what many people fail to realize as they now associate the terms liberal and conservative only in terms of politics.

To illustrate this point in terms of our own national economy, take our Conservative economic philosophy which is to let the free market determine its own level. Politically this is where GWB was as he supported Corporatism. Contrast that with Ronald Reagan Reagan was a corporatistic capitalism supporter. From the standpoint of our economy GWN was more to the right than Reagan. That is a conservative political view implemented by economic policy that is liberal as it impacts the operation of that economy. This is what Bismark did with the german economy and the result for Germany was (according to encarta as a referance)

The first years of the new empire saw a rapid economic growth in a variety of enterprises. Bismarck encouraged industrialization, using the iron and coal resources of the Ruhr and Saar areas, and promoted free trade. This liberalizing of the economy and the resulting economic boom led to the expansion of German industry, especially the railroads, and also the growth of many small, private companies.

Then it goes on to say

Following an economic crash in 1873, though, the German government began to shift away from these liberal free-trade policies, with few restrictions on imports, toward protectionist measures that introduced tariffs on imports to protect German manufacturers. While these policies gradually stabilized the economy, they also encouraged the concentration of industries into large conglomerates that were protected from foreign competition by the government.

So you can see in terms of the economy of Germany in the later 1800’s it was liberalized to grow the economy by allowing the free enterpise system to function. When the economy collapsed the economy became less liberalized and more restricted similar to what happends with our own economy today as the Conservatives seek more government Fair trade policies or protectionism (Tariffs) when fair trade is not working as it should to benefit both countries. That is right leaning economic policy. We only intercede to prevent an economic disastor as opposed to the liberals who what their hands on the economic throttle at all times.

This is why I believe that the Obama administration has found themselves totally adrift in our present economic crisis. Most of his advisors and czars for economic matters are true leftists maybe socialist with a sprinkling of Communists. How do they react? They bailout the banks in exchange for Shares ( defacto nationalization) they do the same with the auto industry (defacto nationalization). They want to do it with health care (nationalization. These are fundamental changes to our american economy. There is nothing free enterprise about what they are doing to our economy. The state is taking control. At a time they should be freeing the economic engine they throttle it.

In the mean time the predominantly liberal congress and senate pass laws that little by little take away our freedoms and provide them the mechanism to control the people. These are the battle ground we are fighting on. Our filed generals the republicans we elect at the federal level seem unwilling or unable to make our case in the halls of congress. I winder if we can stop this trend without relacing not just democrats but the present crop of Republicans in congress en masse.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM

But…but…but you guys are mistaken. Facism is a property of the Right. Kanda said so.
Kanda really needs to research Mussolini and his favorite ally, Adolph.

jimmy2shoes on August 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Another troll. Hi! Is it dark under that bridge?

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM

The health care bureaucracy would be basically a one-stop source of all information on people. Your tax records, financial history, medical history, everything about you.

No candidate could run for office or popular pundit criticize the administration without the most intimate details of their private lives being perused by partisan employees and “leaked” to the press.

If a private insurance company “leaks” private information, they can be sued. You won’t be able to sue the federal government. You might be able to get a federal employee put on suspension or transferred but I doubt you could get them fired.

No thanks.

crosspatch on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

This is the irony of it all. The potential is certainly there for the government to tie in all into some sort of “permanent record” for each individual. Has anyone ever seen another time when our liberty was in this much danger?

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Section 1801 will be justified by section 1203 – which states that you don’t have to prove that you qualify for presciption assistance and as far as low income insurance money – once you qualify you will get it until YOU let the government know that you do not qualify any longer.

This is out of control……….

http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/27/welfare-whether-you-want-it-or-not/

sherryande on August 27, 2009 at 2:21 PM

does anyone have an idea/clue what this means for ex-patriots living abroad? i live in a country that has a tax reciprocity agreement with the us, so that i pay taxes in my host country, i don’t pay us income taxes (i still pay social security, though).
will ex-pats be required to start paying taxes to support obamacare? will we be required to have us health insurance even though we don’t live in the us?
anyone who knows more about this please, your comments are appreciated.

photoboy74 on August 27, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Not everyone wants this kind of help. There are people out there right now who could get medicaid that are not on it. Are they going to force people to take help?

Terrye on August 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM

But hey, they’re from the government ACORN too, right? They must be here to help.

FIXED to agree with provisions elsewhere in HR3200 which establish that “community based organizations” get to help find those eligible for benefits…and so ACORN will also get to dig through your tax records and medical files.

This intrusion is, of course, funded by YOU!!!

landlines on August 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Does any one recognize a steadfast march to communism? ACORN in charge of Census; ObamaCare being shoved through regardless of the cost or opposition; IRS in charge of enforcing ObamaCare; Another Czar appointed by Obama to administer ObamaCare; Spending FAR outpacing income taxes (this will change); Puppet in Justice Dept. drops charges of voter intimidation by BLACK PANTHERS, but takes up investigating individuals with Swiss Bank accounts; Obama supporting investigation and prosecution of “rich people” for the purpose of redistributing their wealth; Congress can’t wash Obamas feet fast enough; Everything turns into a CRISIS; Congress IGNORING “We The People”;
EVERYTHING is centralizing around Obama and his so called czars.

Cybergeezer on August 27, 2009 at 7:10 PM

…the news comes from a surprising source. CBS’ Declan McCullagh takes a look…

Declan McCullagh is a good joe — he’s been a privacy advocate for years. The real surprise is that CBS allowed it into print.

Paul_in_NJ on August 27, 2009 at 9:33 PM