Mary Mapes knew Bush volunteered for Vietnam: CBS report
posted at 11:36 am on August 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
This story by Bernard Goldberg certainly takes me back to the early days of my blogging career. Shortly after the 2004 Republican convention, Mary Mapes produced a segment for 60 Minutes II that alleged that George W. Bush had manipulated his enlistment in the Texas Air National Guard to avoid serving in combat in Vietnam. The documents used by CBS, Mapes, and Dan Rather turned out to be clumsy hoaxes, which the blogosphere exposed through careful review of their substance and their form (the latter of which I played a small part in refuting, with my expertise in printing and fonts, among larger efforts from Power Line, Bill Ardolino, and LGF, and mainstream media reporter Thomas Lipscomb).
CBS did an internal investigation that discredited the memos and caused the network to fire Mapes. Buried in the report, however, is an admission that has not been noticed until now — which is that Mapes knew the basis of her story was an outright lie from the beginning (emphases Goldberg’s):
Until now, the controversy over the Rather/Mapes story has centered almost entirely on one issue: the legitimacy of the documents – a very important issue, indeed. But it turns out that there was another very important issue, one that goes to the very heart of what the story was about – and one that has gone virtually unnoticed. This is it: Mary Mapes knew before she put the story on the air that George W. Bush, the alleged slacker, had in fact volunteered to go to Vietnam.
Who says? The outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says. I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.” When I did, here’s the startling piece of information I found:
Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.
This information, despite the fact that it has been available since the CBS report came out four years ago, has remained a secret to almost everybody both in and out of the media — one lonely fact in a 234- page report loaded with thousands of facts, and overshadowed by the controversy surrounding the documents.
Recall that the heart of Mapes’ story was that Bush was a coward who didn’t want to face combat. In the context of the 2004 election, the importance of this attack cannot be underestimated. Bush had put the country into two shooting wars, one popular (Afghanistan) and one decidedly not by 2004 (Iraq). Even though the previous Democratic president had been a flat-out draft dodger and the Democratic contender was battling a reputation as a medal-polisher and backstabber from a collection of his former colleagues in the Navy, substantiation of Mapes’ allegation would have proven fatal to Bush’s re-election.
Volunteering for combat, however, contradicts that entirely. Everyone understood that Bush didn’t want to go into the infantry, but then again, neither had John Kerry. Both volunteered to serve in other capacities. Bush asked to go to Vietnam, and except for his inexperience, would have been sent into combat. Mapes knew this — and pursued the allegations of cowardice anyway.
That goes beyond being hoaxed by Bill Burkett and the mythical “Lucy Ramirez” and running a story with no corroboration. It indicts Mapes and by extension Rather (who apparently couldn’t be bothered to check on the documents or story on his own) in a plot to deliberately conduct a character assassination from a broadcast booth, in an explicit attempt to manipulate an election. It should be the final nail in the coffins of their credibility, and it will be interesting to see if anyone other than Goldberg reports it.
Update: I forgot to put Bill Ardolino among those top-drawer blogger efforts. Ardolino hired a document examiner for a truly independent look at CBS’ claims.
Update II: I also forgot Thomas Lipscomb, one of the few reporters in the mainstream media willing to write about CBS’ hit piece in those first days, who did a great service in helping to expose it.










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three times actually, he was told to quit asking because he lacked enough stick time….
he also flew a very dangerous interceptor that carried a nuclear air to air array….
Barry Soetoro on the other hand is the living embodiement of Audie Murphy because “I uh um thought about er joining the army”….
make sense?
Nope
sven10077 on August 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Bush was evil. This was for the greater good!
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Who is Bush?
daesleeper on August 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
But but…It was the
literalliberal truth!Guardian on August 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Yep, I saw this on O’Reilly the other night.
The MSM will ignore it so it doesn’t much matter.
bridgetown on August 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
The Bush-ANG story, is where the MSM went from liberal bias to full blown leftist advocacy.
A sad day for journalism.
Rebar on August 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
But she’s a democrat/communist. They don’t have to play by the rules.
For the life of me I don’t understand why the Republican party simply does not go on an all out offensive. There is soooooooooo much ammo that we’re swimming in it. And the best part is we don’t have to make up any stories or tell any lies. Just tell the dam truth.
darwin on August 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Irrelevant snark:
Career? Talk about losing the language. LOL
lorien1973 on August 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
we got Thunder Dan fired but 90% of what was left took up his mission….
“change”
sven10077 on August 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
In this case and this case only, Bush is old news for the media jackalopes.
Now back to blaming everything else on Bush.
Bishop on August 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
That has got to be one small coffin.
No offense, but is anyone reading long documents\bills these days?
WashJeff on August 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Back when I was a Radio News Director in College, we called it doing your research. But, that was when News was still supposed to be objective.
kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
The firing of Mary Mapes was not sufficent. Every intimate detail of her life should have been put into the public domain. She should have been ridiculed to the point where she was psychiatrially unable to heal.
This is the treatment that the marxists and Democrats routinely give to their enemies. We should give it back 10x stronger until they break.
BottomLine5 on August 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
The ends justify the means. That appears to be the moral that Mapes and Rather would teach us.
Despicable.
jwolf on August 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Heh. Reminds me of my cousin who likes to tell me how brave he is. One of us went to Israel at the peak of the infitada and it wasn’t him. I’m not sure how brave one can be while living in some Craphole in Canada….
mjk on August 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM
….thy name is Liberal.
President Bush continues to display courage and honesty while his successor continues to embarrass this great nation. His successor’s company that he keeps and appointments rock the very foundation of all we Americans hold dear.
Hening on August 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM
The Rather Affair killed “Allah is in the House.” That’s unforgivable.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM
We’ll just have to remember this next time Dan whips up a “blistering criticism” of the Grand ole 4th Estate.
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I’m always surprised by the number of people that assume highly trained (e.g. a fighter pilot) members of the military attempt to avoid combat.
It doesn’t make any sense.
blink on August 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Well, the end justifies the means, especially when it means putting a man such as John Kerry into the highest office of the land.
And the end justifies the means when I want a Snickers Bar from the corner vending machine and I don’t have the proper change.
Signed – Mary Mapes
NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I miss George Bush!
Frances on August 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Inaccurate… yet
trueuseful.Akzed on August 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
George Bush is a good upstanding, patriotic, compassionate man. He made mistakes, especially in the economy. I happen to believe his biggest mistake was trying to take the high road and letting the left demonize him. Obama cannot even claim to be a man, next to W.
TXMomof3 on August 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
w was lousy pilot
stupid con couldn’t fly straight
– getalife
fogw on August 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
What Did Rather say/ Wasn’t it something like “the concept of the story is still true?”
kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Saw Bernie on BOR last night and he said this little nugget was right under everyones nose and no one ever reported it.
Mapes for Media Czar
Rather for Newspaper Czar
Knucklehead on August 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
What I want to know: which army did he “think about” joining?
I expect honesty in reporting just as much as I do honesty in government. We’re so far away from that now.
MrScribbler on August 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
One Dave commented at the Belmont Club:
I hadn’t known about it. (I first heard about Bush’s attempt to volunteer when Killian’s son told the press about it).
ForNow on August 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
This is one
issue
That i cant agree with
you all on
Bush was definitely
escaping the war
*LOL
/Canned
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Isn’t Dan Rather still trying to sue CBS? This can’t help.
Cindy Munford on August 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Hahahahaha. He thought about joining the army like I thought about voting for his stupid ass. The thought never occurred.
Shock the Monkey on August 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM
The thing is, one has to wonder if Rather was the sacrificial lamb.
I mean, after Trig-Trooferism hit the tube, no one got fired/stepped down.
Maybe the lefties just said, “Eh, Dan bit this bullet for us.”
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Please provide us with your flight instructor credentials.
blink on August 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM
+100
theCork on August 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Simple question: How did this get missed until now???? Would the bright minds here at HA today have found this little tidbit of information?
Rovin on August 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Let’s look at Teddy Kennedy’s military record….
Caper29 on August 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Dude, it was a getalife joke…
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
blink on August 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Fogw was “channeling” a late, unlamented Troll named getalife. He was just messin’ around as the Ringo Kid once said.
kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Where are the trolls? One would think they would be right on this.:)
a capella on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Or his academic records…
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
don’t know who getalife is, do ya?
fogw on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
I’ve come to the point where I don’t care who’s reading them anymore. They’re unreadable anyway.
I want to know who’s writing them!!
Knucklehead on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
This is right on. The F-102 was a challenging aircraft, and it speaks volumes about Bush’s skills as a pilot that he was assigned to fly them. Many of these aircraft were lost to accidents, so many that it earned the nickname “Lawn Dart”. Additionally, with it’s use as an interceptor armed with nuclear-tipped Air-to-air missiles, only a very select number of pilots were accepted for duty in F-102 squadrons. Those pilots had to pass extensive psychological testing and background checks beforehand.
The reason Bush was turned down for Vietnam was two-fold. The F-102 was being tested in Vietnam, and only the most skilled pilots in type were used, in order to judge the effectiveness of the platform. Primarily, the F-102 was deployed in the continental US, and there was some worry about how it would perform in a tropical environment. Secondly, plans were underway to redeploy the F-102′s BACK to the US mainland, and Bush would have had to spend several months transitioning to a new aircraft type in order to deploy to Vietnam. His skills as an F-102 pilot, were more important than his transitioning to another type, and so he stayed in Texas.
The F-102, and, later, it’s successor the F-106 were high-performance, challenging interceptors, armed with nuclear-tipped missiles, and designed to protect the United States from enemy bombers. It was an important task during the Cold War, and those flying these aircraft were among the cream of Airforce pilots. That Bush was accepted into that program should speak volumes about his abilities as a leader and a person.
AW1 Tim on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Sorry. Great minds.
kingsjester on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
I, a housewife, have known since 2004 that Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam. It was reported. Goldberg has done a service but even he said he wasn’t aware of it until he just got this tip to thoroughly read the report. It’s the MSM media’s fault all the way around. Yes, I read it in some article and it was verified by a Bush colleague who had joined him in volunteering but it was reported and dropped into an abyss and ignored.
Anyway, I assumed CBS was aware and deliberately omitted it just as I assume they were aware the documents were faked and they were not in fact fooled by them but co-conspirators to attempt to take down a sitting president by deceit.
KittyLowrey on August 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM
No prob. Someone has to teach a class on Getalife101…
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Yet, all that remains from that time is just how awful those Swift Boat vets were.
Tells you who runs the media and, therefore, memory.
Mommypundit on August 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Fake, but accurate!
JAM on August 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM
What you said.
KittyLowrey on August 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Staffers who are going to law school to become just like John Edwards…..dont you know that?
Rovin on August 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Ya know, it’s really a shame that the liberal media lion has been regulated to a position lower than that of Moyers the Outer.
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Bush probably just wanted to to over there to kill women and children.
NickelAndDime on August 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Look, we should ease up on Mary a bit. Clearly, she has learned not to stand behind this story, or to stand behind corpulent, old self-important gas-bags:
http://newsbusters.org/media/2005-12-04-CSPANMapes.jpg
Doorgunner on August 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I’m so glad Al Gore invented the internet!!!
Now we can get real news!!
bridgetown on August 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM
To the MSM Republican=BAD Democrat=GOOD As that General said in New Orleans the MSM is stuck on stupid.
SC.Charlie on August 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Just another non-person. He might have been the guy between Andropov and Chernenko.
sarc/
Bruno Strozek on August 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM
That’s when Bush and Cheney were conjoined twins.
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Yaaawwwnnn…..zzzzzz.
Ed, I enjoy your posts immensely. You are timely, on point, and show a lot of journalistic integrity, a rarity today. I first joined your cadre back in the early days of CQ. The fact I’m still here says alot about my opinion of you.
However, this post is most odd. Mapes is gone, Rather is gone, CBS is exposed as a liberal hack, Bush left office at the end of his term. Where, oh where is the news in this?
Are we in for a blog post about how, indeed, Bill Clinton actually did have sex with that woman?
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM
She almost looks worthy of being called a Kennedy.
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM
it should be more than just their credibility at stake, this was criminal
jp on August 27, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Damn straight!
Maquis on August 27, 2009 at 12:00 PM
***
Mary Mapes knew the truth and lied to help out her “democratic” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist buddies in the election. She and Dan Rather put out their lie too soon–it would have worked out a lot better if they had waited until 10 days before the election.
***
Many who never served vilified President Bush 43 for joining the Air Force–and called him “stupid”. Most military pilot training facilities used to post a sign that said AIRPLANES KILL–to remind trainees of the inherent danger in flying. The aircraft he flew was intended to stop Russian bomber attacks on the U.S.A.–not “dogfight” MIGS or bomb ground targets. President Bush could have been ordered into combat at any moment depending on the situation–the Russkies and Red Chinese were still credible threats then.
***
Dan Rather and CBS stonewalled for 3 WEEKS after technically competent bloggers pointed out that the forgeries were prepared on a computer controlled printer–not on the much older manual typewriter used when George Bush was a pilot. And the widow of his commanding officer stated that her deceased husband had high regard for George as a pilot, and that her husband’s signature was forged on the letter.
***
What part of a dishonest hack job isn’t clear? And anyone serving in the Military has much higher “street creds” than someone who never served.
***
John Bibb
***
rocketman on August 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM
getalife is a poor excuse for a human being. When and where did you serve? How many flight hours have you? And yes, I served. (S-3A Naval aviator w/187 carrier landings)
You don’t have to thank me…I have no respect for you
Bevan on August 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Wait a minute here………….are you trying to say that it is wrong for the MSM and The Messiah’s supporters to lie? And to know that they are lying when they lie? But that’s all they do………….so what are they going to do now if they can’t lie while knowing they are lying……….Oh wait………..they can be Community Organizers! Yea!!!!!!!
Cinday Blackburn on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Then why is it every single piece of trash columnist or blogger is believed about any or all accusations against Sarah Palin? Even those that lean conservative are willing to jump on every single accusation as truth.
We know the media are liars and are spinning anything and everything against not only President Bush, but also Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and many others.
These guys will bald faced lie to the American people in order to prop up their own politicians.
Why is it that so many conservatives are stupid enough to believe this garbage?
kcarpenter on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I’ve heard she’s serving men in Afghanistan or something…
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM
And Hillary thought about joining the Marines, but was offended by the sexism she encountered at the recruiting center.
Akzed on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I don’t know about the “nuclear air-to-air array,” particularly for a deployment to ‘Nam where we weren’t flying against giant Russian bombers. But the F-102s he flew were a single-seater (meaning your first time in it, you’re going solo – this was before most of our planes had a 2-seat “B” version for training) – and that thing was a notorious widowmaker. In fact, there was only one modern plane that had a worse record for killing its own pilots (F-104), and that was only when our foreign allies decided to scrimp on training for their own pilots.
The odds of getting killed in an F-102, just from routine training here in the US, was something like 1-in-13-and-a-half. For a modern airplane, that’s horrifying. Anybody who willingly strapped one of those on and took it up is clearly not a “coward.”
If she’d tried to make a charge that he was “grossly overconfident in the immortality of youth” and tried to frame Iraq as callousness or pining for Bush’s glory-days, then it might have stuck. But an ex-pilot in his 50s is hardly going to be the same man he was in his 20s, and it also destroyed the “GWB = teh stoopid” meme the left had going (hint: Stupid men don’t fly airplanes more than once) – so she couldn’t go with that. In the end, Mapes had her narrative and her dummy was as incurious as ever, so they ran with it, and got caught. And killed public trust in their company, in the end – who gets their news from CBS after Rathergate?
Blacksmith on August 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM
makes you wonder how many lies they get away with.
jp on August 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Wonder which one of the two will speak up first to defend their position. My money is on Rather. He’ll toss her under the bus.
sherry on August 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Ah, thanks for the correction waaaa-a-a-ay up above, AW1 Tim
Blacksmith on August 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
I’m reminded of this gem from Mapes in a 2005 interview with Brian Ross:
RadClown on August 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
In the world that I inhabit (the sane one), the truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how long it has been, the truth should be revealed and those who lie should be exposed. Just sayin’.
TXMomof3 on August 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Mary Mapes knew Bush had volunteered for Vietnam, yet never reported it. Contrarily, Mapes went ahead full bore with a phony story about Bush’s favorable treatment in the Texas Air National Guard.
That is news my man, where I come from.
fogw on August 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Blacksmith,
The Nuclear air-to-air system (Genie, and later, Falcon) were for the F-102′s stationed stateside. The ones that were sent to Vietnam were used in both ground attack and to escort B-52 missions, and carried conventional armaments. Only one was lost to anti-aircraft, but several were lost, as you point out, to accidents. It was definitely not a plane for the average pilot’s skills.
Respects,
AW1 Tim on August 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM
I don’t watch the news anymore…………………
I read tea leaves instead.
Old Hippie Vet on August 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Let’s see, four years ago it was “vote for the war hero, not the cowardly National Guard pilot.”
Last year it was “vote for never even sniffed the military candidate, not the war hero.”
Will the Democrats make up their mind*?
*assuming, that is, that they actually have one.
rbj on August 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Bevan,
The getalife post was a very sarcastic joke at the expense of past poster.
I know it’s no Viking, and it was in the “vintage warbird’ context, but I once got to ‘right-seat’ an S2F. Big radials and power turns. Awesome.
Thank you for your service.
Doorgunner on August 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM
The liberal left will stop at nothing to ensure their side will win. (Ex. Bush,Palin)
portlandon on August 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM
While your point may be mostly valid BobMbx, Rather is NOT gone.
Rovin on August 27, 2009 at 12:09 PM
For her pennance, mapes should have her ugly ass strapped into an F102 with a Genie attached. Let her take off, fly a mission, fire the nuke with the 6 second fuse, evade the blast and make a landing. Just for fun have a couple of guys up in vintage migs strafe her butt and let her fly through some AA. For extra giggles, let her do it at night in Bad weather like GWB did.
The mortality rate of the 102 stateside was damn close to that of the groundpounders in Nam. The freaking airplane was demanding to say the least.
bullseye on August 27, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Norm Coleman was shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!
NickelAndDime on August 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Portraying Bush as cowardly, and lazy was of importance, but Clinton going to the USSR , and evading the war altogether was not a problem?
If I were a democrat, I’d seriously be re-thinking it at the moment. I would never allow myself to be party to this kind of lying, manipulations, and corruption. To sit, and be a part of this, while screaming outrage at the opposition, is just stupid. How proud they all must be.
capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
I think if Bush really did want to go to Vietnam, he would have volunteered for a service that would guarantee it – and the TANG ain’t it.
It speaks well of him that he had a change of heart later, though.
JohnW on August 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Why are you dwelling on old news? Don’t you know the messiah is desperately trying to pass universal healthcare?
/sarc
Browncoatone on August 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Thanks for the post! I knew some of this, but you brought a lot more detail to the story.
Wow, nuclear-tipped air-to-air missiles… I didn’t know we had such. I remember the preparations necessary for KC-135s going to nuclear war and surviving the radiation well enough to give all our fuel to a nuclear bomber before plunging into the sea, but to launch nukes from a Lawn Dart at airborne targets, that’s nearly a suicide mission, even before one takes the aircraft’s quirkiness into account.
Maquis on August 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM
It’s even worse! He said to Larry King in 2007, “Nobody has proved that they were fraudulent, much less a forgery. … The truth of this story stands up to this day.”
“Dead Air” Dan sounds unrepentant in this quote and definitely arrogant & stubborn – you know, stuff he accused Dubya of being.
ExpressoBold on August 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM
How does this compare to Obama’s service record. Oh – thats right, it does not exist.
Unless you count service to his ‘community’ or to himself (which about sums up his whole career).
I love how the finer details come out years later when libs can say: ‘you still on that – it so old news now. let’s move on.’
Jussi on August 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Hmmm, almost sounds like the dirty little secrets of Ted Kennedy – America’s Newest Patron Saint.
Upstater85 on August 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM
First, it ain’t news. It was in the report. I read it years ago. Nobody in the MSM reported it. “Buried” in the report? How do you do that? Its black and white, right there. Maybe Mr. Goldberg just got around to reading the whole report, that makes it news for him. Not me.
The only reason it’s “news” today…well, I don’t have a clue.
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Bush served with an Air Guard unit and would have gone if the unit deployed. I spent multiple tours in Vietnam and I have no problem with anyone that didn’t go but was willing to go if called. Kerry on the other hand wasn’t in Vietnam long enough to qualify for R&R. He spent 4 months in country scrounging for medals then went home and betrayed his comrades.
rplat on August 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Yeah, but I knew as well. And when I brought it up, the explanation police said, “Yeah sure, anybody can volunteer for Vietnam knowing that daddy’s going to pull some strings to keep you home.”
Sensing that this was a likely “answer” from a dem perspective, I never went much further with it. I discarded it, because it looked like a dead end.
And while I should expect such rationalizing from some random dem, it really never occurred to me that the media should act any differently, because I never expected them to act differently. My 10 years as an independent observer, ever more convinced of the press’ slope, I really do not expect anything from the press.
But now I’m shocked at myself for not seeing that the press should not use ready rationalizations like this, but probably did.
Axeman on August 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Didn’t say which Army.
I’m sure Barry admires the cool uniforms Ghaddafi and Castro get to wear.
Barry’s would look kinda like Prince’s, purple jacket, enormous gold epaulettes and big ol’ pimp hat.
NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Patron Saint of Skirt Chasers?
capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Hey, fogw got a bite! Congrats.
Bishop on August 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM
He doesn’t foul my TV screen at news time anymore. Gone. Fired. Lawsuit dimissed. How insulting to him it must be, having been replaced by Couric. Kind of like losing to Jimmy Carter. How’s that feel, Teddy?
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Wouldn’t be that Bush knew that, would it? Of course not. Not that I believe this story.
Moesart on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM
And this my friends is how we got to where we are today.
kahall on August 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM
3 bad ideas from the hey day of nuclear weapons:
1. Air-Air nuclear weapons
2. Nuclear torpedos (fired by subs)
3. Shoulder fired nuclear weapons
All real, all really bad ideas. All were basically suicide, except the shoulder-fired weapon (Davy Crocket Rocket).
BobMbx on August 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Can we get back to the military service records of obama and good ‘ole girl drowner TED?//
Ris4victory on August 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM
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