Henry Rollins: Where’s Mary Jo Kopechne’s eulogy?

posted at 4:45 pm on August 27, 2009 by Allahpundit

I’m not sure how the politics work here. My sense is as follows: The media’s allowed to mention Chappaquiddick in its obits of Teddy in the interest of completeness, but references should ideally be buried near the end of the piece under plenty of “health care was the cause of his life” pap. Kennedy is not, however, to be “attacked” by conservatives intent on reminding people that progressives’ newest secular saint left a woman to drown in his car, as this would be disrespectful to the dead (Teddy, that is, not Mary Jo). Where does Rollins fit, though? He’s no man of the right and Vanity Fair ain’t the Weekly Standard. Is the “unpleasantness” at the lake fair game for lefties or is She Who Shall Not Be Named off limits to them too?

I am very well known, a United States senator. My family is incredibly powerful. There are allegations that I had been drinking heavily hours up to the time I got into the vehicle with the passenger. I deny this for the rest of my life. That at no point did I make an attempt to call for rescue would probably be considered by many people to be outrageous and horrible, perhaps a crime that would carry a prison sentence. Can you imagine what the parents of the deceased would be going through when they found out that their 28-year-old daughter died alone in total darkness? I serve no time. Not inconvenienced by the burdensome obstacle of incarceration, I seek to maintain my elected position. I am successful and remain a senator for the next four decades. Would any deed I performed in that time, besides going to prison for the negligent homicide I committed all those years ago, be enough to wipe the slate clean? After my passing, would you fail to mention the incident and the death of this innocent person in reviewing the events of my long and lauded life? You wouldn’t forget about her, would you? That would be negligent.

Thus does Rollins become one of the few liberals apparently more exercised at Kennedy for what happened at Chappaquiddick than at Andrew Breitbart for insisting on bringing it up. As a supplement to the Kennedy reading list in last night’s Quotes of the Day, I offer you two pieces in juxtaposition: Michael Kelly’s harrowing 1990 piece for GQ describing the great feminist’s sexual assault of a waitress and E.J. Dionne’s insulting paean to Teddy’s alleged “empathy” in today’s WaPo. The title of his piece, no joke: “Ted Kennedy’s Humanity.”

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Hey, a Massachusetts based defense contractor had this to say about Kennedy:

Raytheon remembers Senator Edward M. Kennedy and the hope he brought millions through his historic service and commitment.

Our thoughts are with his family and friends and all who were touched by his efforts.

As stated in the citation of his John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award, his was a life committed to “hope” and “human dignity.” His legacy will long endure.

Statement From Raytheon Chairman and CEO
Bill Swanson

“Senator Kennedy’s support of a broad spectrum of Massachusetts organizations never wavered. His support of technology and innovation initiatives in particular helped Raytheon, and its hundreds of suppliers in Massachusetts and neighboring states, continue to grow. He cared about the people of Massachusetts. As a senior member of the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Kennedy did not hesitate to ask the tough questions in order to ensure the best possible solutions for America’s men and women in uniform. He was a profoundly great American, and we are proud to have called him a great friend. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends, his colleagues and all those who, like us, called the Senator a true Patriot in every sense of the word.”

No mention of Mary Jo Kopechne’s murder at the hands of this POS. But hey, Raytheon made money!!! Hooray!!!!

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 27, 2009 at 5:45 PM

At least her family finally gets closure. Nonetheless we’ll have to listen to eulogies for that Massachusetts scumbag for weeks.

Annar on August 27, 2009 at 5:46 PM

damn, i have to go to Lions Club now. but i want to hear all about how Teddy confessed to driving the car etc., but one of you has posited that he may not have been driving.

or are you just teasing?

kelley in virginia on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

The car was in 7′ of water?

How did Ted get out?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

The car was in 7′ of water?

How did Ted get out?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Crap floats.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM

No mention of Mary Jo Kopechne’s murder at the hands of this POS. But hey, Raytheon made money!!! Hooray!!!!

Wow. He supported them. No mention of the taxpayer money he secured for them?

I wonder what tough questions he asked the KGB in those letters? A true Patriot, unfreakingreal.

How ironic that the state of Bunker Hill and Lexington and Concord was home to this POS family. We fought to secure independence from monarch/aristocrat led statists. How many immigrants left Europe – a culture that judged you by the success of your father, where you place in life was secured at birth and you could do little to change it, where the wealthy lived in a different world, with their own justice system and servants to wipe their arses.

Watching people bow and scrape for the Kennedy’s is disusting. In America!

reaganaut on August 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Meanwhile, listening to ”Reflections on Sen. Kennedy … Lion of the Senate” on the Diane Rehm Show on the drive home last night, I was deeply moved to hear Newsweek’s Ed Klein tell guest host Katty Kay about Kennedy’s love of humor. How the late senator loved to hear and tell Chappaquiddick jokes, and was always eager to know if anyone had heard any new ones. Not that Kennedy lacked remorse, Klein quickly added, seeming to intuit that my jaw and perhaps those of other listeners had just hit the floorboards. I gather it was a self-deprecating manuever on Kennedy’s part, exercised with the famous Kennedy charm, though it sounds like one of those “I guess you had to have been there” things.

- Jules Crittenden

HT: Moe Lane (RedState)

Wethal on August 27, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I think Teddy’s story is a joke. The funeral director found blood on her clothes. No autopsy was performed by the ME and an attempt by the DA to exhume her body and perform an autopsy was defeated.

I think Kennedy committed premeditated murder.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The car was in 7′ of water?

How did Ted get out?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

I doubt that it was in 7 ft of water, that is when they recovered the car…I believe the tide would have been about 4 ft.
I walked on the “new” bridge, and I can’t see where it would ever be 7 ft., at the time I walked maybe 2 ft.

right2bright on August 27, 2009 at 6:00 PM

The car was in 7′ of water?

How did Ted get out?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Crap floats.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM

No, I’m serious. I’m trying to figure this out. It doesn’t make sense.

Was it a four door or two door? Was the car nose down? Was the car right side up?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Wethal on August 27, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I’m sure Teddy and the Devil will have a lot to joke about now.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 6:01 PM

I doubt that it was in 7 ft of water, that is when they recovered the car…I believe the tide would have been about 4 ft.
I walked on the “new” bridge, and I can’t see where it would ever be 7 ft., at the time I walked maybe 2 ft.

right2bright on August 27, 2009 at 6:00 PM

This is making even less sense now. Could someone link me to a police report or serious investigative journalism [don't laugh]?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:03 PM

I doubt that it was in 7 ft of water, that is when they recovered the car…I believe the tide would have been about 4 ft.
I walked on the “new” bridge, and I can’t see where it would ever be 7 ft., at the time I walked maybe 2 ft.

right2bright on August 27, 2009 at 6:00 PM

IRC, that place is a tidal canal isn’t it? It could be low tide in day and hightide at night. And if this is the case, it implies there may have been significant tidal currents which means how did he get back to shore?

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Here’s the car model [1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88]

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/images/your_garage/cars/4576_1533347379468ace9df0ab3.jpg

I know this it wiki, but it states that the vehicle was upside down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident#Events_of_the_night_of_July_18.2C_1969

Still reading….

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM

This is why I refuse to turn on the TV, and I won’t for the next few days. Ted Kennedy was a pig. I will not tolerate these hypocrits that refuse to ackowledge that he was a man of virtually no personal morals. It’s a little like admitting that while O.J. was a great football player, it doesn’t get him a free pass on the murders he committed.

Ted Kennedy might have accomplished “some thing” that made democrats happy, but overall he was a self indulgent drunken pig, that whether by design or omission, he murdered that girl and then spent over 40 years lying about it. Perhaps it was all that guilt that made him drink so much?

anniekc on August 27, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Regarding speaking ill of the dead, I was reminded of Bette Davis’ statement when asked to comment about Joan Crawford after her death (they loathed one another, apparently). David said, “They don’t change just because they’re dead.”
RIP, Mary Jo.

Jaclyn on August 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Good for you, Henry!!!

Though I may not share your political views, I admire your work with the USO and efforts to help Iraqi and Afghanistan vets.

Thank you for voicing what many of we children of the 1950s and 60s think when hearing Teddy’s name!

Jack.

Jack Deth on August 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Back in my college days in the 80′s I did an internship in DC – college kids from around the country got to work in government agencies, for lobbyists, congressmen and senators; we all stayed in some cheesy apartment building close to 14th street.
About 2 weeks into the semester, I’ll never forget how impressed I was when I heard one of the interns, a tall girl around 20, giddily say how cool it was working for a senator that calls her at night to see how she’s doing.
Anyone want to guess who that senator was?

CarolynM on August 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM

At least her family finally gets closure. Nonetheless we’ll have to listen to eulogies for that Massachusetts scumbag for weeks.

Annar on August 27, 2009 at 5:46 PM

That’s a nice fantasy. Her family was ‘bought off’ by the Kennedy Crime Family and kept silent about their loss for many years.

DrW on August 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Holy shit! This reeks! [I've never really learned about this until now.]

Read this at risk of nausea:

According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto Dike Road, an unlit dirt road that led to Dike Bridge (also spelled Dyke Bridge). Dike Road was unpaved, but Kennedy, driving at “approximately twenty miles an hour”, took “no particular notice” of this fact, and did not realize that he was no longer headed towards the ferry landing.[6] Dike Bridge was a wooden bridge angled obliquely to the road with no guardrail. A fraction of a second before he reached the bridge, Kennedy applied his brakes; he then drove over the side of the bridge. The car plunged into tide-swept Poucha Pond (at that location a channel) and came to rest upside-down underwater. Kennedy later recalled that he was able to swim free of the vehicle, but Kopechne was not. Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called Kopechne’s name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for around fifteen minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where the party attended by Kopechne and other “Boiler Room Girls” had occurred. Kennedy denied seeing any house with a light on during his journey back to Lawrence Cottage.[7]

In addition to the working telephone at the Lawrence Cottage, according to one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help; however, he did not do so.[8] The first of those houses, referred to as “Dike House”, was only 150 yards away from the bridge, and was occupied by Sylvia Malm and her family at the time of the incident. Malm later stated that she had left a light on at the residence when she retired for that evening.[9]

According to Kennedy’s testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the pond with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times.[1] When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had to be reported to the authorities.[10] According to Markham’s testimony Kennedy was sobbing and on the verge of breaking down.[11] Kennedy went on to testify that “[I] had full intention of reporting it. And I mentioned to Gargan and Markham something like, ‘You take care of the other girls; I will take care of the accident!’—that is what I said and I dove into the water”.[10] Kennedy had already told Gargan and Markham not to tell the other women anything about the incident “[b]ecause I felt strongly that if these girls were notified that an accident had taken place and Mary Jo had, in fact, drowned, that it would only be a matter of seconds before all of those girls, who were long and dear friends of Mary Jo’s, would go to the scene of the accident and enter the water with, I felt, a good chance that some serious mishap might have occurred to any one of them”.[12] Gargan and Markam would testify that they assumed that Kennedy was going to inform the authorities once he got back to Edgartown, and thus did not do so themselves.[2]

According to his own testimony, Kennedy swam across the 500-foot channel, back to Edgartown and returned to his hotel room, where he removed his clothes and collapsed on his bed.[12] Hearing noises, he later put on dry clothes and asked someone what the time was: it was something like 2:30 a.m., the senator recalled. He testified that, as the night went on, “I almost tossed and turned and walked around that room … I had not given up hope all night long that, by some miracle, Mary Jo would have escaped from the car.”[13]

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.[2] By 7:30 am the next morning he was talking “casually” to the winner of the previous day’s sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss.[2] At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a “heated conversation.” According to Kennedy’s testimony, the two men asked why he hadn’t reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them “about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel … that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive”.[13] The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquiddick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of phone calls from a payphone by the crossing to his friends for advice; he again did not report the accident to authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident#Events_of_the_night_of_July_18.2C_1969

Again, I know it’s only wiki, but are those facts correct?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:18 PM

While waiting for a proper eulogy for Mary Jo Kopechne, let’s watch and listen to a couple of videos:

1. Ted Kennedy, Part 3: Questions after Chappaquiddick

Note at about the 1:10 mark the policeman sitting on the end of the Olds. Probably at low tide, but are the tides there 10feet? There are some other pictures of the car in the water, but only the ones of the un-moved car are of interest. How was the car missed? Perhaps Ted dove off the wrong side of the bridge.

Use Google Earth and go to 41 22 24.24N 70 27 13.04W. It’s a map. Why did Ted walk on past the house by the bridge? Why not bang on the door, like someone who’s just been in an accident, and try to get help?

2. Ted Kennedy, Part 5: “Why do you want to be president?”

Note Teddy’s articulateness. Also note the later mention of his reaction to Chappaquiddick questions.

Taken all together, it looks like the small-town-mentality of Massachusetts valued, and still values, their drunken boy Ted over the truth about Mary Jo the outsider.

An audio interview with Roger Mudd, about his interview with Teddy, is here.

Arbalest on August 27, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Again, I know it’s only wiki, but are those facts correct?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I’m too young to know, but wiki’s good about providing sources. I recommend checking them.

Esthier on August 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Arbalest on August 27, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I’m reading chapter three… don’t ruin the end of the story….this creep is hopefully enjoying a ‘BBQ’ in his honor.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM

His entire story reaks and not just of alcohol. If we knew the truth, if he told the truth, he’d have never been reelected and the Kennedy name would be Mudd.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Don’t forget Joan Kennedy:

Joan:

Afterward, [Chappaquiddick] his wife stood by her man, even at Kopechne’s funeral. Already pregnant with another child, Joan would lose the baby a month later. “For a few months everyone had to put on this show, and then I just didn’t care anymore. I just saw no future. That’s when I truly became an alcoholic,” she told Laurence Leamer.

INC on August 27, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I’m too young to know, but wiki’s good about providing sources. I recommend checking them.

Esthier on August 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Trust. My mother in law has been Kennedy obsessive for over 50 years. She can site chapter and verse about ALL the Kennedy scandals, and there are plenty. Sleaze and corruption are just a democtratic trait, and the Kennedy’s have been masterful at covering their tracks.

Well, besides the fact that there’s never been a doubt in their collective minds that they’re better than pretty much everyone else.

anniekc on August 27, 2009 at 6:34 PM

How the late senator loved to hear and tell Chappaquiddick jokes, and was always eager to know if anyone had heard any new ones.

That actually made me physically ill.

jana on August 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM

How the late senator loved to hear and tell Chappaquiddick jokes, and was always eager to know if anyone had heard any new ones.
That actually made me physically ill.

jana on August 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM

That makes two of us, jana.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 6:38 PM

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Esthier on August 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Yes. True.

He was a despicable human being and I will never for the life of me understand why in the blue hell anyone in his right mind would keep voting him into office.

As a Christian, I would like to think that Mr. Kennedy made his peace with our Lord before passing from this plane; and if he did not, I certainly hope that God let Miss Mary Jo kick him straight into hell.

Oh Mercy on August 27, 2009 at 6:38 PM

The car was in 7′ of water?

How did Ted get out?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Why do you think he breeds portuguese water dogs? For next time…

lawtwin on August 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Why do you think he breeds portuguese water dogs? For next time…

lawtwin on August 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM

He’s not breeding ANYTHING anymore.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 6:40 PM

How the late senator loved to hear and tell Chappaquiddick jokes, and was always eager to know if anyone had heard any new ones.
That actually made me physically ill.

jana on August 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Like I said, I think he committed murder. There was no autopsy, an attempt to have one done later was defeated in court.

The entire Kennedy Clan is dirty, sleazy and corrupt. A modern incarnation of the Julio-Claudian Family of Ancient Rome.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 6:41 PM

There was strong outrage when this incident occurred. The problem was, the Kennedy’s were rich and powerful enough to have this problem swept under the rug! This seems to be an ongoing problem with this government.

bhubble on August 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM

He’s not breeding ANYTHING anymore.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009 at 6:40 PM

And I’m thankful!

lawtwin on August 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Where does Rollins fit, though? He’s no man of the right and Vanity Fair ain’t the Weekly Standard.

I don’t know about Vanity Fair’s reasons for publishing it, but Rollins seems to do a lot for the troops despite his stance on the war so maybe he’s just a decent person.

Wish the Left had more like him.

Disturb the Universe on August 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM

The entire Kennedy Clan is dirty, sleazy and corrupt. A modern incarnation of the Julio-Claudian Family of Ancient Rome.

Holger on August 27, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I completely agree… Good riddance to the worst of the bunch.

Maybe their “legacy” will die out now.

jana on August 27, 2009 at 6:49 PM

That’s a nice fantasy. Her family was ‘bought off’ by the Kennedy Crime Family and kept silent about their loss for many years.

DrW on August 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM

No, actually Mary Jo’s father was asked about whether he accepted any money from the Kennedy Family. He said any money accepted by him would be Blood Money:

“The Kopechne family did not bring any legal action against Sen. Kennedy, but they did receive a payment of $90,904 from him and $50,000 from his insurance company. The couple later explained their decision to not take legal action by saying that ‘We figured that people would think we were looking for blood money.’ ”
http://www.citizensvoice.com/news/remembering_mary_jo_a_promising_life_lost_at_chappaquiddick_40_years_ago

$140K is hardly “bought off.”

BigAlSouth on August 27, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Mary Jo is why I can’t understand politically correct, cowardly fake conservatives who are shaking in their boots lest somebody say a discouraging against recently dead Ted— cheater, alcoholic and murderer.

MaiDee on August 27, 2009 at 6:55 PM

EULOGY HERE

Black Adam on August 27, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Trust. My mother in law has been Kennedy obsessive for over 50 years. She can site chapter and verse about ALL the Kennedy scandals, and there are plenty. Sleaze and corruption are just a democtratic trait, and the Kennedy’s have been masterful at covering their tracks.

anniekc on August 27, 2009 at 6:34 PM

I don’t get it. Why didn’t they throw him out of office over that?

I only learned about Mary a couple years ago and couldn’t believe what I was reading. I still can’t.

Esthier on August 27, 2009 at 6:58 PM

I’ve been a fan of Rollins and his band for well over a decade. I am quite surprised to see an article of his linked at HA.

hicsuget on August 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Dave Rywall on August 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Gregor on August 27, 2009 at 5:08 PM

While we cannot know the state of a man’s soul at the moment of his passing (as even the good thief at the Cross was forgiven), we can certainly judge the objective nature of a man’s acts in life. We do this, with the knowledge that we are judged by the same measure as well.

What goes unmentioned here, is how this reflects upon the people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, who continued to elect this man to the Senate for more than four decades. The measure of this man, be it for good or for ill, says as much about them as it does him.

So, people, what of the citizens of Massachusetts? What does all this say about them?

manwithblackhat on August 27, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Well, here’s a fact for you: you have less than zero knowledge of how Kennedy reconciled this with God. You don’t know if he went to confession and had it out with a priest. If he did, then in the eyes of God, it’s a done deal. He’s forgiven. Which, of course is ludicrous. But that’s religion for you.

Dave Rywall on August 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Words are cheap Dave. What he ‘told’ anyone isn’t the point. The point is, did Kennedy make a profound and honest act of contrition for his sin? Did he atone for killing this young girl? The answer is no. He continued to shirk responsibility for her death until drink and debauchery blurred his mind to the past. His soul was lost. I’m sorry you don’t feel comfortable with moral absolutes. I do.

DrW on August 27, 2009 at 7:03 PM

140K is hardly “bought off.”

BigAlSouth on August 27, 2009 at 6:50 PM

bigal, $140k in 69 was a lot of money.

i used the term ‘bought off’ because the Kopechne’s, at every turn, failed to assist the authorities with thier inquiry. they didn’t insist on a autopsy. they refused to allow her exhumation. they permitted her killer to attend her funeral for PR puposes.

i don’t think that you understand how things are done in MA when the kennedy’s are in the mix. it’s unholy.

DrW on August 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Me thinks he’ll be in the sixth or seventh circle in Dantes inferno. Lots of nice characters there (and attractive too).

Fuquay Steve on August 27, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Esthier on August 27, 2009 at 6:58 PM

The media has been on a love train with the Kennedy’s for over 50, maybe longer, years. The Kennedy scandals were just the warm up act for thier latest love fest for Barry. This whole Camelot B.S just dazzles them- I think the fact that JFK was young and (better looking) than all the previous presidents started the show.

The MSM tries to paint the whole JFK/Bobby/Marilyn Monroe as a Hollywood fairytale, but it’s pretty substantially documented that they had something to do with her death, and like I mentioned earlier, the Kennedy’s are MASTERS at covering their tracks. It’s pretty appalling when you reach back into history and see how many of the “family” have been involved with all kinds of legal issues. Teddy may have held the family together and acted as the big pooh-bah, but he was an awful, disgusting, role model for all the young men. They probably have a 70% alcoholism/drug abuse rate in that family.

They took the tremendous privelege of their name and money to actually live out their lives in kind of a cheap, sleazy fashion. I’m not impressed.

anniekc on August 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM

He’s not getting through the pearly gates. Don’t forget who guards the streets of heaven’s scenes.

CPL 310 on August 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I’ve been a fan of Rollins and his band for well over a decade. I am quite surprised to see an article of his linked at HA.

hicsuget on August 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Maybe I missed it but interesting you give such a useless comment considering the subject of the thread. We know you carry Kennedy’s water and he was scum. Hmmm if the shoe fits

CWforFreedom on August 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I would give anything to see a sky-writer plane fly above the funeral procession writing “RIP MARY-JO”.

NC Hoov on August 27, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Apparently CBS is reporting that Mary Jo’s murderer attended every military funeral for troops from Iraq.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/08/ted-kennedy-cbs-needs-to-do-some-fact-checking.html

Even Stalin couldn’t get away with this level of lying bullsh*t.

CPL 310 on August 27, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Even Stalin couldn’t get away with this level of lying bullsh*t.

CPL 310 on August 27, 2009 at 7:16 PM

They meant in spirits …I mean spirit

CWforFreedom on August 27, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Feel sorry for him….

Feel sorrier for those lives he ruined/tried to ruin or snuffed out before they were born.

Mary Jo, Bork, Thomas, Estrada, Janice Rodgers Brown, and of course who can forget the 45 million Aborted Americans.

Oh and a life of priviledged debauchery.

Next Kennedy to follow the legacy?

PappyD61 on August 27, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Put him in the ground, throw some dirt on him and lets get back to reporting the status of this country.

Regardless of what the MSM networks are saying about the economy recovering, its a damn lie. The american people know it and the networks know the American people know it.

Why isn’t anyone reporting the failure of the HMO’s that Teddy Kennedy founded. Wheres the prise winning journalism
on this Katie and Chrissy and maddog Olberman and ass kissing Charlie Gibson. Step forward and show us what you’re made of cowards. Tell us about the failed leadership of Oprahs boy.

bluegrass on August 27, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Here is a story I heard once.

The story goes a man on his death bed was fading fast. He had lived a less than decent life and had never asked for forgiveness from anyone on earth or elsewhere. He believed in nothing but his own glory and desires.
He was fading fast, going in and out of consciousness. In his last moments he suddenly tensed up, his eyes flew open in terror and he said, “My feet, my feet are burning.” Then he died.
Makes you wonder if Ted’s were wet.

archer52 on August 27, 2009 at 7:52 PM

For further evidence there is no separation between state as church my son’s school (in Ohio) had its flag at half staff today.

I wonder how many flags flew at half staff in Massachusetts when Senator Metzenbaum died in office awhile back.

miles on August 27, 2009 at 7:59 PM

So, people, what of the citizens of Massachusetts? What does all this say about them?

manwithblackhat on August 27, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Exactly. Why oh why do they keep electing these people? It borders on insanity.

scalleywag on August 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM

All I keep thinking is what would have happened to you or I had we driven into a river and abandoned some poor soul to die while we went to ponder the effects of our actions in the comfort of our hotel room.

scalleywag on August 27, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Don’t remember the book title but it was written by a Time magazine reporter not long after Chappaquiddick. His theory is Kennedy got out of the car after they passed a sheriff car on the road, worried the sheriff would pull him over with a girl in the car. Kennedy put Mary Jo behind the wheel and told her to circle around the island. He waited for her to return but she had taken a wrong turn and driven off the bridge.

Kennedy waited for Mary Jo to pick him up and when she never showed he made his way back to the hotel and went to bed. He didn’t know there had been an accident until the next morning, after police were already on the scene. You have to follow the whole timeline but the theory makes a lot of sense (certainly more than the official story). All that crap about Kennedy “diving repeatedly” to save Mary Jo never happened. It was all part of the cover story.

miles on August 27, 2009 at 8:19 PM

miles on August 27, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Never heard that version of what happened.

scalleywag on August 27, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Good riddance to the last of the Kennedy brothers. The media has prostituted themselves over the Chappaquiddick kid and protected his various dalliances over the years. The same held true for Jack and Bobby. Teddy Boy got thrown out of Harvard for having someone else take his exam. His claim to fame for his Senate career is his choice of advisors. This was especially true when he cowardly swam away and let poor Mary Jo die an agonizing death. The Kennedy braintrusts saved his fanny along with a judge who got his job because of Papa Joe Kennedy.

Big Nicholas on August 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM

The book that you must read is “Senatorial Privilege, The Chappaquiddick Cover-Up”, by the author Leo Damore. It will make you sick to your stomach as to all the people involved.

Big Nicholas on August 27, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I am from Massachusetts and your inquiry as to why Ted Kennedy was repeatedly elected is a good one. My answer is that we gave you Dukakis and Kerry. We also was the only state if I recall that voted for McGovern for president. On the larger scale you have the corrupt Obama administration and the Democrat controlled congress. On the smaller scale we have Gov. Deval Patrick and the corrupt 95% Democrat controlled legislature. We have great golf courses, however.

Big Nicholas on August 27, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Now that Ted Kennedy is gone and not able to call his lawyers, there will probably be many Diamond Joe Quimby Ted Kennedy stories that will surface.

Moesart on August 27, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I doubt that it was in 7 ft of water, that is when they recovered the car…I believe the tide would have been about 4 ft.
I walked on the “new” bridge, and I can’t see where it would ever be 7 ft., at the time I walked maybe 2 ft.

right2bright on August 27, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I used to run landing craft into tidal inlets in Virginia and N.C. Many channels weren’t even marked bouys or markers, and so noted on the charts due to constantly changing depth, from storms and other factors. If that inlet never gets dredged, it could have filled in over the years, or current from tropical storms could have changed it. I doubt what it was in 1969 would be close to the same now.

Interesting historical note; I still have a local paper from the day after the moon landing. One of the stories at the bottom of the page is about Chappaquiddick.

TugboatPhil on August 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Make sure you do some research on Joseph Kennedy, the father. He was pretty much a scoundrel before he and Rose Fitzgerald were married. Her father was mayor of Boston and the family was quite well connected. Kennedy married into some money, but he had lots of problems. Mostly with beautiful starlets. Rose wanted out of the marriage, but being Catholic and pressure from her father they stayed married. There was a biography of Joseph Kennedy that is fairly new. It’s probably about 15 years old. Don’t know who wrote it, but it was a fascinating read. Any info that you find about the Kennedys shows you how every one turned out the way they did. What ever gene it was, they all seemed to have it. It was a wild and crazy family.

BetseyRoss on August 27, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Anyone seen any pictures of Laura Bush’s unfortunate victim – Michael Douglas. Dating her in high school was like being married to Drew Peterson!

simplesimon on August 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I was amazed to discover that my husband (55) had no idea that she lived for up to 2 hours in that car. Good job of suppressing the truth, media!

Kennedy felt that his career was worth much more than her life, and made no attempt to rescue her.

Do I think he tried to atone for that heartless act as he continued his political life over the next four decades? I dunno, does “waitress sandwich” ring a bell?

disa on August 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Ted was obviously so drunk that he’d forgotten that he had a passenger. hick-up…

larvcom on August 27, 2009 at 10:52 PM

I’ve been a fan of Henry since the days when he fronted Black Flag. I’ve grown to disagree with a lot of his political views, but there is one undeniable thing about him…..whatever his view is on something, it’s well-thought-out in his mind and he doesn’t care what anyone else thinks. He will definitely not shy away from any discussion regarding anything, including politics.

Unfortunately, he’s pretty good pals with lefty uber-loon Jeanene Garofalo, which does take him down a notch or two IMHO.

I go to his spoken word shows every time he’s in town. He’s awesome. It’s also been said before, but Rollins supports the troops via USO tours all of the time.

Chuckie on August 27, 2009 at 11:00 PM

I can’t believe that piece of trash will be buried amongst all those Hero’s @ Arlington.

huckelberry on August 28, 2009 at 12:51 AM

And this was a time when if she brought home a black boyfriend, she would have been disowned and disgraced…but alive. Guess nobody ever warned their daughters about dating/marrying Kennedys.

It is unfair that poor judgment results in such terrible consequences. What’s even worse is to be discarded like an old shoe by the press and society at large.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Anyone seen any pictures of Laura Bush’s unfortunate victim – Michael Douglas. Dating her in high school was like being married to Drew Peterson!

simplesimon on August 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I really should start collecting these desperate, Hail Mary attempts to change the subject. They’re classic, in their own way.

As for you, simpleslimer, you’re also quite … special.

didymus on August 28, 2009 at 1:31 AM

in germany, they have a saying when referring to waste water piping for toilettes:

“shit must swim.”

kennedy had no problem swimming.

what is so hard with everyone not seeing this? at least henry “get in the van” rollins gets it.

photoboy74 on August 28, 2009 at 1:39 AM

I have a good friend in MA……we spoke one day about ole Teddy and my friends insistence that he brought so much money into MA overshadowed what he did made me ill. I haven’t spoken to this friend in months over this and his support for Obama…sad actually..but if your thinking really leans this way we rally cant have discussions on any topic.

They kept voting the bastard in..over and over.

igglesphan on August 28, 2009 at 5:17 AM

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I can’t verify all the details in your post but I am old enough to have watched the news coverage as it unfolded live. This was before cable, cell phones, and pc’s.

When the news was first reported, press swarmed to the scene

Indelible in my mind is the diver, in black wet suit, being interviewed after his dive. He had very light hair, like white (on black and white tv). He told the reporter, with disgust on his face, and in his voice, there was an air pocket in the car, enough for someone to live several hours.

I can never forget what I heard. That interview is not available anywhere, but the guy was not a fool. I do not know if he saw the face of the dead girl but it makes me wonder even today.

At first details came out about the series of phone calls from the motel. Long distance was a big deal back then before cellular and digital. Then information trickled off. In retrospect IMHO as the information became more damning the press shut up. Kennedy was presented as a man tortured by the ‘tragedy’. What saved him, besides money and the press was the silence of the Kopechnes. I am still not sure where they were coming from

All the details now on the internet were not promoted back then. I think we were chumped by the press on so many issues before we got the web. But they cannot take away what I heard from the scuba diver. Try and find that film today. I doubt it was allowed to survive

entagor on August 28, 2009 at 5:31 AM

Want to see rank hypocrisy when it comes to Henry Rollins? Listen to his excellent Think Tank CD. Then, in his rant about El Nino replace “El Nino” with “Katrina”. Also, on the same CD, listen to his rant about terrorist and what we should do with them. Then remember that this CD was recorded when Clinton was in office.

Henry Rollins, although a very funny guy, is a “depends who’s in office” and “depends on whether they are black or not” kind of guy.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 28, 2009 at 7:00 AM

Yes, Kennedy DID kill Mary Jo, he certainly did sexually abuse a waitress, but one have to remember that he was a Kennedy, and any Kennedy was the original “TOO BIG TO FAIL” excuse.
Joe Sr. was an alleged bootlegger and labor racketeer, Joe jr.,like his father, was a big supporter of the NAZIS before the war. Jack was a pitiful PT boat commander, a druggie, skirt chaser and killer, along with Bobby the skirt chaser, of Marilyn. Ted, heck Ted was an entire book of evil deviant acts.

But the miserable brainless twits in this country that spouted Camelot, are the reason that only in the afterlife, will they find GOD is the only one really to big to fail.

Jeff from WI on August 28, 2009 at 7:54 AM

This is making even less sense now. Could someone link me to a police report or serious investigative journalism [don't laugh]?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Buy a copy of “Senatorial Privilege”

darwin-t on August 28, 2009 at 8:14 AM

miles on August 27, 2009 at 8:19 PM

If that theory is true – then why the elaborate cover story? If Mary Jo Kopechne did indeed drive off the bridge herself, then why did Teddy go on national TV a week later and talk about his driving, his efforts to “save” her, his (faux) remorse for not calling the authorities immediately.

If the story you posit is true, then Teddy took a huge risk with his political career to make those kinds of public statements. The story he told in 1969 never changed in 40 years.

I don’t believe the Times story. The vast conspiracy & cover-up it indicates had to occur started the night of the accident with the 2 guys Teddy said he brought back to the bridge to search for Mary Jo.

Please don’t fault everyone from MA. I grew up there – my parents never voted for Kennedy. If I had stayed there beyond voting age, neither would I.

KrisinNE on August 28, 2009 at 8:42 AM

The car was in 7′ of water?

How did Ted get out?

toliver on August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Crap floats.

HornetSting on August 27, 2009

As does alcohol-infused blubber.

SKYFOX on August 28, 2009 at 10:04 AM

manwithblackhat on August 27, 2009 at 7:02 PM: So, people, what of the citizens of Massachusetts? What does all this say about them?

I moved from NE Ohio to MA in 1997. There were three things I learned to “dislike” growing up:
– Pittsburgh Steelers
– Michigan Wolverines
– Teddy Kennedy
That last one came from my father, who just yesterday commented that Teddy boy should have been in prison the past 4.5 decades…not the U.S. senate.
FYI: I’m dropping my daughter off for her first year of college (in NH) next week and can now actively seek a move out of this state. My work here is done.

scituate_tgr on August 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I think Rollins is actually a true centrist. Any decent human being cannot simply overlook this issue.

ReneePA on August 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM

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