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posted at 12:17 pm on August 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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With the public plan in ObamaCare attracting enough heat to melt steel girders, some moderates in the Senate have proposed replacing it with health insurance co-operatives.  The idea dates back several decades and was instrumental in FDR’s program of modernizing energy distribution in rural areas, and Kent Conrad (D-ND) says that example should light the way for an overhaul of the health-care system as well.  However, as the Washington Post reports, the track record of those co-operatives hardly gives confidence that they’ll work as intended or prevent government control of health care as a result:

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), a pivotal lawmaker in the health-care debate, wants to deliver coverage to the uninsured by starting up new cooperatives modeled on rural electric cooperatives that were founded during the Great Depression.

But rural electric cooperatives have a mixed track record, experts say. They brought electricity to millions of rural Americans who lacked it in the 1930s and today serve about 14 percent of Americans. But after 75 years, the rural electric cooperatives still rely heavily on federal credit subsidies, have weak balance sheets and, some studies suggest, operate less efficiently than privately-owned utilities.

Over the past three years, some rural electric cooperatives have also come under criticism for excessive payments to executives and for pushing forward with new coal-fired power plants at a time when many people concerned with climate change want to slow down or halt such plants. Yet they remain politically powerful through the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association.

Perhaps a better explanation of the problem comes from Ken Glozer, a former OMB official, who gets this just about right:

“A co-op by definition has several major advantages over private tax-paying corporations,” said Ken Glozer, a former Office of Management and Budget official and president of a consulting firm called OMB Professionals. “They don’t pay taxes, they borrow all their money from the U.S. government because they because can’t raise capital, and they are political as hell because they depend on the government. Over time they will seek and get untold favors that a private company won’t be able to get.”

Glozer added that cooperatives are “quasi-federal agencies.”

That certainly sounds promising, doesn’t it?  What’s the best option for replacing a health-care system that works for the vast majority of Americans?  A series of “quasi-federal agencies” that are “political as hell” and depend entirely on Uncle Sam for their existence.  It’s the public plan by proxy.

What’s more, the model doesn’t apply.  As former CBO director Robert Reischauer explains, FDR used co-ops because he couldn’t entice the private market to build electrical infrastructure in rural areas.  Co-ops made sense at the time for that limited application.  ObamaCare doesn’t plan on providing health care to rural areas alone, however; it upends the entire system and forces it into government-run “exchanges” for everyone, regardless of where they live and what access they already have to health insurance and care.

Even if the plan did apply, the notion that it negates government control is ludicrous.  One of the idea’s backers, Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN), wants to increase government control over rural energy co-ops.  He called them “too big for their britches” and indistinguishable from for-profit firms. Cooper means that in a bad way, in case you’re wondering, but seems happy enough with the results that he thinks the model would be terrific for health insurance.

The big secret with co-ops, though, is that they do not require the federal government to create them.  People can band together to form their own co-ops, assuming they can put together the requisite capital.  Several states, including Minnesota, have large co-ops providing coverage to hundreds of thousands of members.  Congress doesn’t need to create federal co-ops or subsidize state co-ops, and especially don’t need to create them to crowd out insurers — which is what will happen when federal subsidies allow co-ops to unfairly compete against private-sector insurers in the marketplace.


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Over the past three years, some rural electric cooperatives have also come under criticism [...] and for pushing forward with new coal-fired power plants at a time when many people concerned with climate change want to slow down or halt such plants.

Sounds good to me.

Realist on August 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac…

d1carter on August 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The litmus test is who pays the claims. If taxpayers are responsible for the claims, then it is a NO.

We don’t need more liability for taxpayers. They say it is an ‘option’, but none of us will have the option of whether to use our tax dollars to pay for the people on this plan.

ThackerAgency on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Do we really want our health care decisions politicized?

Because that’s what is down Barry’s yellow brick road.

The funding for diseases and for care will be allocated on a political basis.

So the diseases of Barry voters (e.g. AIDs and other STDs, drug/alcohol abuse) will be heavily subsidized.

Meanwhile, people in red states will be stiffed out of primary care.

If you don’t believe that won’t happen, you haven’t been paying attention.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Here, let me spray paint this dog turd purple…there, now it is no longer a dog turd.

Bishop on August 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Kill the Bill.

TXMomof3 on August 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Who doesn’t like subsidies? I mean come on, no need to ruin the party. How are we supposed to grow corn without subsidies huh? It’s the American way damn it.

The Calibur on August 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I note that the Messiah and Mrs. Messiah could have sent their children to Government run DC schools. Or Co-op type charter schools. They did neither – they went into the private sector and chose education from elite privately run (no government hand on the tiller) schools. Seems strange….for a Marxist.

Cinday Blackburn on August 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

He called them “too big for their britches”

…but the federal government, well the bigger the britches the better.

WashJeff on August 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM

great info, thank you! Yep these will be more GSEs like Fan and FRED as a saavy townhall attendee noted….

ginaswo on August 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I actually think the cooperatives are a good idea…

conservatives are going to have to come up with something… anything… if they don’t start touting something on the order of universal health care then they’ll be in trouble eventually…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The big secret with co-ops, though, is that they do not require the federal government to create them.

Precisely.

Furthermore, creating non-profit health care co-ops requires only small changes in the tax code. It does NOT require any changes in health care policy or program. (See Heritage Foundation on “health care co-ops”) Co-ops are healthcare neutral.

Co-ops are a rhetorical ruse to avoid the furor over the ‘public option”, and a Trojan hourse for incremental gubmit takeover of the health care industry.

petefrt on August 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac…

d1carter on August 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Yes. That’s definitely a better comparison.

Of necessity, most rural electric cooperatives are small, regional concerns. The proposed health care cooperatives would, also of necessity, be huge, interstate concerns, probably headed by big Democrat operatives, put in position as political payback, who then rake in millions (Franklin Raines….)

notropis on August 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

conservatives are going to have to come up with something… anything… if they don’t start touting something on the order of universal health care then they’ll be in trouble eventually…

btw, I liked mccain’s plan…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Over, and over I’ve heard….deregulate, and open insurance up, so that we can go out of state, if necessary, for a more affordably priced policy. Yet….this falls on deaf ears with Democrats? Why? They espouse over, and over that this is a great bill, and everyone will benefit from it immensely, yet none of them will join in. Why? Because like so many other ill concieved crap in these bills, they don’t give a rats behind about your health, or health care.

Pure and simple, this is a power grab.

capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

…but the federal government, well the bigger the britches the better.

need big britches for big a$$e$

itsacookbook on August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Cinday Blackburn on August 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Public schools are just dandy for your kids. Ask Barry.

But, well, Barry’s girls? They need the specialness that a $28K a year Sidwell Friends imparts.

Because Barry’s girls are more equal than your kids are.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I actually think the cooperatives are a good idea…

conservatives are going to have to come up with something… anything… if they don’t start touting something on the order of universal health care then they’ll be in trouble eventually…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

From what I’ve heard, Republicans do have some plans. However, they have been shut out of the negotiations. The msm’s won’t report their plans, and the house, and senate ignore them, and their ideas. So ……..

capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I actually think the cooperatives are a good idea…

conservatives are going to have to come up with something… anything… if they don’t start touting something on the order of universal health care then they’ll be in trouble eventually…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Uh, the GOP has floated several plans out there. They just don’t get hours upon hours of free publicity in the media.

gwelf on August 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Cinday Blackburn on August 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Then try to kick out the undesireables, while espousing everyone should be treated the same.

capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Isn’t there some way we could regulate it so it doesn’t become a big monstrosity like fannie and freddie? We need a system where people can band together in large niche groups so that they can be accountable to one another… and then they as a group can try to get a good deal on health care…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Are there any instances where one of these electrical co-ops competed directly with an existing power company?

MarkTheGreat on August 27, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Oink! Oink! here souey souey :)

Dr Evil on August 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Health insurance co-operatives is a much better idea.

Let’s hope it gets implemented.

MaximusConfessor on August 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Isn’t there some way we could regulate it so it doesn’t become a big monstrosity like fannie and freddie? We need a system where people can band together in large niche groups so that they can be accountable to one another… and then they as a group can try to get a good deal on health care…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM

That’s why Republicans want the industry opened up. For us to be able to go across state lines to get health insurance. This would create greater competition, and lower costs. Several small business owners could co-op with each other, to provide insurance for their employees, at lower costs, if this were allowed. Now why the Democrats won’t do that, is a big question. One of many, as to why they won’t even consider some of these other options. They seem hell bent on a government run plan. Because they care so deeply for our health, or because they salivate over more, and more power?

capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Libs love co-ops, but only when they can regulate, subsidize and control them.

whitetop on August 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Do we really want our health care decisions politicized?

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Not a doubt in my mind, ND. And I expect it to happen sooner, rather than later. Obama’s redistribtion of our health care rights and benefits will follow gubmit takeover of health care as surely as night follows day. The worthiness of our lives for medical care will be computed on the basis of “social justice” and likely remaining value to the state.

petefrt on August 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

conservatives are going to have to come up with something… anything… if they don’t start touting something on the order of universal health care then they’ll be in trouble eventually…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Nothing quite like assuming the conclusion, as the basis of your argument.

Look up “circular reasoning” if you can find the time.

MarkTheGreat on August 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

There can be no compromising, PERIOD.

Whatever is passed ultimately will morph into single provider.

To compromise will allow them to set up structures that will end private healthcare.

There can be no compromising, PERIOD.

TXUS on August 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Pure and simple, this is a power grab.

capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

The liberal plan has always been to hobble the private sector with taxes and regulations, so that when it starts to fail, they can step in and declare that the only solution is complete govt takeover.

MarkTheGreat on August 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Incentives and indirect subsidies is the way to go.

MaximusConfessor on August 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Kill the Bill.

TXMomof3 on August 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Obama-Kopechne-Care = Kill Bill Volume 1

Cap-and-Trade = Kill Bill Volume 2

Daggett on August 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

We need a system where people can band together in large niche groups so that they can be accountable to one another… and then they as a group can try to get a good deal on health care…

An ERISA plan is pretty much that… people don’t realize that with an ERISA plan (aka “self-insured” employer plans) you have a built in ombudsman… your HR person. You can actually talk to a caring feeling person about your coverage.

But, of course, Obamacare will eventually take that away from the lucky ones who have it now.

itsacookbook on August 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

btw, I liked mccain’s plan…

ninjapirate on August 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I don’t think the ONE is going to support McCain’s plan.

d1carter on August 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

So in other words, let a ObamaCare Fannie-Freddie-type entities run health care.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG, WINGNUTZ?

Good Lt on August 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I want to buy health insurance cafeteria style. I am perfectly happy to forego coverage for mental health services, drug rehab, acupuncture, chiropractic, maternity care, fertility counseling, OTC drugs and all the other crap they load these policies up with to please certain health care providers. If I ever need or want these things, I’ll pay for them.

MADgirl91 on August 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

The liberal plan has always been to hobble the private sector with taxes and regulations, so that when it starts to fail, they can step in and declare that the only solution is complete govt takeover.

MarkTheGreat on August 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

What I find ironic, at least for me personally is….I think they deliberately create most of the problems we’re seeing now, in order to guide their plans into completion.

capejasmine on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

If non profit co-ops are such a good idea, why don’t liberals go about starting them up themselves, rather than spend energy, time & money jamming something else down the throat of tens of millions of Americans who don’t want it?

Teddy Kennedy could have done some actual good if he had left the Senate and used his family’s money to start a non profit co-op to help poor citizens of Taxachusetts.

rbj on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

KILL THE BILL… and this comes from one of the “uninsured”

itsacookbook on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

petefrt on August 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

When have Democrats NOT abused their power to reward their friends and punish their enemies?

Democrats NEVER think about the country as a whole, especially since they loathe and despise anyone who disagrees with them.

You never hear them say anything untoward about terrorists. Their hatred and name-calling is reserved exclusively for us evil-mongering, un-American, Nazi, Republican-Americans.

They will politicize health care, not a doubt in my mind.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I have a great idea, lets get together some groups of people to determine what their coverage/price should be and everyone can get an equal say in it. We can set up boards to manage these groups. Then, so they dont start screwing the good folks who join them or are a part of them we can institute some specific governmental oversite on this, maybe some house or senate commitees or sub-commitees to oversee all this. Once everyone has their groups set up, regionally of course so everyone is a part of a group, insurance companies will be dropping their prices like crazy to get the “contract” with their geographical group. Once a low bid contract is achieved the higher priced outfits will have a number of years to rethink their pricing policies as they wait for contracts to expire…..sounds perfect, what could possibly go wrong?

Koa on August 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The liberal plan has always been to hobble the private sector with taxes and regulations, so that when it starts to fail, they can step in and declare that the only solution is complete govt takeover.

For all you Rand fans (and haters), she had this pegged decades ago, and the sounds downright prophetic today:

“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary. (1975)

I’ve also read somewhere that the statist approach to economics is akin to tying lead weights to a person’s hands and feet, pushing them into a lake, telling them to swim, watching them drown and then saying “See? They can’t swim.”

Good Lt on August 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM

How about we make a deal with the “progessives”?

They can stick whatever they want up any bodily oriface they want.

Progressives can take any drug they want, up to and including snorting Sherwin-Williams. Have at it.

In return, they absolve non-”progressives” from their silly and idiotic socialist schemes, which “progressives” are free to participate in fully. Just leave us out.

Is that a deal?

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Kill the bill. Kill the bill. Kill the bill.

publiuspen on August 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Mark the Great

Within a circle of three miles from where I live, we have Public Service of Oklahoma(PSO), Verdigris Valley Electrical Cooperative (VVEC),Grand River Dam Authority (GRDA), City of Claremore Electric, and interweaved with Oklahoma Gas and Electric (OG&E) and Western Farmers Coop. The City of Coffeville abutting north generates or buys and resales their own. Some of these generate, some buy and resale, some both. The real advantage to all these utilities in the same place is that they all have their own line maintenance employees. They all help each other. When we have our annual disasters of tornados or ice, we get back on line relatively quickly.

Old Country Boy on August 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM

KILL THE BILL !!!!! No co-ops, no nothing. The only health care reform this country can afford is tort reform.

RustBelt on August 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

“Once a low bid contract is achieved the higher priced outfits will have a number of years to rethink their pricing policies as they wait for contracts to expire…..sounds perfect, what could possibly go wrong?

Koa on August 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM”

No, sounds like a plan for putting insurance companies out of business and creating a single-payer plan. How will insurance companies make money in the number of years that they “re-think” their policies?

Vera71 on August 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

We will not accept a trojan horse for single-payer. I’m with you, RustBelt, kill the bill!

Christian Conservative on August 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM

When have Democrats NOT abused their power to reward their friends and punish their enemies?

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

That’s the raison d’etre for specially protected identity groups, isn’t it? Engineering “social justice” by redistributing property, rights and benefits to the advantage of specially protected identity groups within their constituency is little more than a political spoils system on steroids.

petefrt on August 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM

No, sounds like a plan for putting insurance companies out of business and creating a single-payer plan. How will insurance companies make money in the number of years that they “re-think” their policies?

Vera71 on August 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

And so the obvious flaw in any government subsidized plan is exposed.

Koa on August 27, 2009 at 1:22 PM

petefrt on August 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Which is why affirmative action and minority set-asides are both un-American and un-democratic.

NoDonkey on August 27, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I want to buy health insurance cafeteria style. I am perfectly happy to forego coverage for mental health services, drug rehab, acupuncture, chiropractic, maternity care, fertility counseling, OTC drugs and all the other crap they load these policies up with to please certain health care providers. If I ever need or want these things, I’ll pay for them.

MADgirl91 on August 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

How unreasonably picky you are. You mean you wouldn’t want to pay for things like cosmetic surgery or tattoo removal or transgender operations for people in need?

I bet you’re one of those women who like their clothes to fit and just aren’t happy with how you look or feel in one-size-fits-all gear. You probably even want to choose your own style of clothes and shoes.

And don’t tell me. You actually like to pick the kind of car you drive, and the color, too?

Food and drink? I’m sure you won’t eat or drink what you don’t like.

Unreasonably picky…

/s

TXUS on August 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Kent Conrad needs to go home a little more often. He needs look no further than Fargo, the home of Blue Cross Blue Shield of ND. They ensure 475,000 people (in a state of 600k+!!) and describe themselves on their website as follows:

The history and achievements of BCBSND:
More than 65 years ago, Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota (BCBSND) began as two separate pre-paid health care plans for hospital and physician services. The two companies merged in 1986 and, in 1998, converted to a not-for-profit mutual insurance company.

They already exist Senator! And they insure most of your constituents. No need to create another one.

mngirl on August 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM

The big secret with co-ops, though, is that they do not require the federal government to create them. People can band together to form their own co-ops, assuming they can put together the requisite capital. Several states, including Minnesota, have large co-ops providing coverage to hundreds of thousands of members. Congress doesn’t need to create federal co-ops or subsidize state co-ops, and especially don’t need to create them to crowd out insurers — which is what will happen when federal subsidies allow co-ops to unfairly compete against private-sector insurers in the marketplace.

Absolutely true Ed. I think co-ops like this might work if they were created and maintained by the private sector.

I have REMC. It is the only people locally who bring power out to the rural areas. There is no alternative. I think it was probably not a bad idea initially back in the days when there was no one who really seemed to want to come out to the country and give people service, but it could have been privatized a long time ago.

Terrye on August 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Government co-ops…….I vote for your opponent, Mr. Congressman/Senator and you cooperate by going the hell away.

search4truth on August 27, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Hey Government……Stay out of Health Care!

BigMike252 on August 27, 2009 at 2:21 PM

McCain could push this kind of junk and ruin the whole situation — let the Dems own it and pass it. Then see what happens to turnover in DC.

Christian Conservative on August 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Anyone know of ANY government program that can honestly be called a “success”? Medicare…going broke, no way out. ditto Social Security. Community Reinvestment… hooboy! If the federal government was so dang efficient, why does my neighbor get my mail every other day? KILL THE BILL

itsacookbook on August 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM

some rural electric cooperatives have also come under criticism for … pushing forward with new coal-fired power plants at a time when many people concerned with climate change want to slow down or halt such plants.

Since their customers are demanding more product (electrity), they need to find more supply. And the supply needs to be reliable and reasonably efficient. Hydro power is out, since there are few appropriate locations left and the enviro and NIMBY crowds block most of them. Nuclear is out for similar reasons. Wind and solar lack the reliability factor as well as having the enviro and NIMBY problems. That leaves coal. Known, reliable technology, with abundant supply. Some of these climate change people need to freeze in the dark.

MTinMN on August 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

FDRs energy co-ops used unconstitutional and strong-armed tactics to force private energy companies out of business. But this would never happen under Obamacare…

29Victor on August 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Keep trying new words to confuse the issue. Makes me boil that they think we are so dumb. Answer is simple NO reform that includes any government takeover or a foot in the door.

hillbilly on August 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM

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