Ted Kennedy, 1932-2009

posted at 7:32 am on August 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Ted Kennedy lost his battle with brain cancer last night and died at the age of 77.  Kennedy, whose life was marked with tragedies and losses as well as self-inflicted scandals but also with legislative victories and power, had been ill for the last year, and had missed most of the 2009 session of Congress as a result:

Edward M. Kennedy, one of the most powerful and influential senators in American history and one of three brothers whose political triumphs and personal tragedies captivated the nation for decades, died late Tuesday at his home in Hyannis Port, Mass., at age 77. He had been battling brain cancer.

His family announced his death in a brief statement released early Wednesday. “We’ve lost the irreplaceable center of our family and joyous light in our lives, but the inspiration of his faith, optimism, and perseverance will live on in our hearts forever,” the statement said. “We thank everyone who gave him care and support over this last year, and everyone who stood with him for so many years in his tireless march for progress toward justice, fairness and opportunity for all.” …

Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, was the last male survivor of a privileged and charismatic family that in the 1960s dominated American politics and attracted worldwide attention. His sister Eunice Kennedy Shriver, founder of the Special Olympics, died two weeks ago, also in Hyannis Port. One sibling, former U.S. ambassador to Ireland Jean Kennedy Smith, is still alive.

As heir through tragedy to his accomplished older brothers — President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy (D-N.Y.), both of whom were assassinated — Edward Kennedy became the patriarch of his clan and a towering figure in the U.S. Senate to a degree neither of his siblings had been.

That last is a little unfair to John and Robert, who were both assassinated before their parents had died.  Had they survived, John and and then Robert would almost certainly have assumed that role.  Both deaths were American tragedies, but they were deeply personal tragedies for all of the Kennedys, and Ted had that role thrust upon him to a large extent through two assassins’ bullets.

As Michelle says, we will have plenty of time to analyze Kennedy’s life and work, but today is a day to give comfort to Kennedy’s family.  They will be in my prayers.

Update: Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, issued this statement:

“It is with great sadness that Elaine and I note the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy, one of the giants of American political life, a longtime Senate colleague, and a friend.

“No one could have known the man without admiring the passion and vigor he poured into a truly momentous life. We send our deepest expressions of sympathy to Vicki, his children, and the entire Kennedy family.”


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Well, well. The ‘conservative’ ‘christians’ here are pretty busy throwing stones. Like George Bush, I speak to teh God nightly. He said that Ted is, in fact, in Hell right next to Dale Earnhardt. They are saving a seat for Laura Bush.

Have a blessed evening.

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Well, well..the liberal Christian priest will have a Catholic funeral with all the trimmings, for a piece of human feces like Ted, even though that priest knows he’s pro-baby killing.

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Kanda has yet to produce a functional difference between the soviet union’s socialism and fascism.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM

That’s because he can’t…He’s the product of modern schools of higher learning…
Ignore what you can ‘t defend…

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Well, well..the liberal Christian priest will have a Catholic funeral with all the trimmings, for a piece of human feces like Ted, even though that priest knows he’s pro-baby killing.

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM

I imagine hell to be much like Wisconsin. You?

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Just checking, it wasn’t just a great dream was it? Ted IS really dead..right?

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Have you met Kanda? You seem like a match made in Wisconsin.

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Your points are well taken, though in terms of economic control Hitler had the good sense to leave some industries alone if they were not instrumental in his grand design whereas the Soviet model was centralized planning and management for every aspect of the economy.

There are many parallels and many differences. I just don’t think you can truthfully paint with such a broad brush.

On the other hand, I vehemently disagree with Kanda that Fascism, especially under Hitler, can be considered “right wing.”

It’s not that cut-and-dried either way.

I agree with csdeven that the parallels between ’30s Hitler and current-day Jug-ears are uncanny, and unsettling to say the least.

BTW, I think that Stalin may have been an even worse monster than Hitler if the two had not been of the same time–thank God (or good fortune as you wish) that they were, and thus sapped each other’s strength and momentum.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM

I imagine hell to be much like Wisconsin. You?

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

You sure are correct. Wisconsin is now a TAX HELL thanks to our Democrat legislature and governor. Wisconsin is also an anti-business tree hugger hell of idiots who will soon run every business out of this state. Wisconsin is also a LABOR UNION hell where morons like the ones at Mercury Marine vote down a contract that would keep 800 jobs in Fond du Lac so they can move to non-union Oklahoma. You are correct, thanks to the left, WISCONSIN IS HELL.

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Glad he is gone.

Should have gone to jail for what he did to Mary Jo.

BillaryMcBush on August 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM

I consider stalin to be much worse than hitler. He gets a white wash in western history books because he couched his evil in populist rhetoric. Support for stalins socialism is a perfect living example of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

The closest “fascism” comes to the ‘right wing’ of the political spectrum is the recognition that some form of government is necessary. So far on this thread, no one has produced any aspect of fascism that is a unique hallmark of the ideology of the so called “right”.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 10:35 PM

thank God (or good fortune as you wish) that they were, and thus sapped each other’s strength and momentum.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Precisely the point …had Hitler succeeded I doubt there would be a difference in how they each ruled

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Wisconsin is also a LABOR UNION hell where morons like the ones at Mercury Marine vote down a contract that would keep 800 jobs in Fond du Lac so they can move to non-union Oklahoma. You are correct, thanks to the left, WISCONSIN IS HELL.

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM

I’m sure Fondue Lake or whatever is a still a thriving metropolis. Everything is about cheese with you folks. It’s amazing anyone makes it past 40.

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Another key point to make is,“how they would rule”, and we know Hitler would have, after hostilities …and it was seemingly peaceful…he would have been just as brutal…
That’s not on the right side of the spectrum.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Ignore what you can ‘t defend…

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:21 PM

The only part of Nazism that is even near the right is nationalism. But that was simply a means for hitler to get gullible people to follow him into socialism and into dictatorship. EXCATLY as Ochimpy did to get elected and is doing to try and ram through his Marxist agenda’s.

Kanda cannot refute that fact and therefore, as you point out, ignores it completely.

csdeven on August 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

csdeven,
At this point I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and accept he’s out doing something else…splitting wood for tomorrow morning…
I can’t wait…need sleep… nite.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Almost 2,000 comments on the Teddy post.

The Kennedy’s always could draw a crowd.

My comment on the death of Ted – GOOD RIDDANCE!

And I mean that with all due respect, of course.

Joe Pyne on August 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM

The only part of Nazism that is even near the right is nationalism. But that was simply a means for hitler to get gullible people to follow him into socialism and into dictatorship. EXCATLY as Ochimpy did to get elected and is doing to try and ram through his Marxist agenda’s.

Kanda cannot refute that fact and therefore, as you point out, ignores it completely.

csdeven on August 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

There is a glaringly huge hole in Marx’s philosophy, which if you have read Madison/Jefferson you will understand. (BTW, I’m using you in the general sense here and not indicating you specifically csd, I think you get it). Once that connection is made, national socialism and fascism fit perfectly into the leftist ideology.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

I am actually considering naming my next dog “Teddy”. When HE gets out of line I can kick him in the nads and feel better about myself, but far worse for “Teddy”, God rest his cod sack.

OkieDoc on August 26, 2009 at 11:14 PM

I imagine hell to be much like Wisconsin. You?

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

It’s a vibrant, green land. There are cities, if that’s your thing, or vast bodies of water to sail or fish on. Plenty of parks and wildlife reserves to lose yourself in.

Now tell me…what hellhole are you from, you sniveling splat of camel diarrhea?

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

It’s a vibrant, green land. There are cities, if that’s your thing, or vast bodies of water to sail or fish on. Plenty of parks and wildlife reserves to lose yourself in.

Now tell me…what hellhole are you from, you sniveling splat of camel diarrhea?

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

What’s with all the fatties, though? Not an attractive bunch!

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Did I tell ya about my dog named “Teddy”?

OkieDoc on August 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM

It’s a vibrant, green land. There are cities, if that’s your thing, or vast bodies of water to sail or fish on. Plenty of parks and wildlife reserves to lose yourself in.

Now tell me…what hellhole are you from, you sniveling splat of camel diarrhea?

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM
What’s with all the fatties, though? Not an attractive bunch!

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

You see what happened there, Maddy? You made the mistake of assuming that this simpleton could answer a simple question sensibly.

And simpletonsimon, lay off of the cheeze wizecracks, ok? It’s the next best thing to bacon, for chrissakes.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

And simpletonsimon, lay off of the cheeze wizecracks, ok? It’s the next best thing to bacon, for chrissakes.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

+100

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 11:36 PM

What’s with all the fatties, though? Not an attractive bunch!

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Imagine my lack of surprise that a gutless pile of fetid weasel dung like you would refuse to answer what foul commode bears you as one of its denizens.

Either answer the question, or go drink the stuff in the bottles under the sink, you festering boil on the anus of civilization.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Where every liberal drone gets them; University!

You can see by his ridiculous chart that he has placed Fascism, an authoritarian hierarchical government, to the right of Libertarianism, which advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state more than conservatives.

They don’t teach the real definition of left and right at University anymore, where far-right is Anarchy, and far left is Oligarchy. If this astroturf had actually done the research he pretentiously demands of us, he would know that Communism, Fascism, and Socialism are on the Oligarchy (left) side, and that includes Hitler’s Socialism.

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Before I get to where hitler fits on my chart. Lets talk about the right side of your chart. At the right of your chart is Anarchy. That means no Government at all. To the left of anarchy is Libertarianism next left is conservatism. You have no idea where Fascism fits but all the other isms are to the left so you place it there. Mistake. Big Mistake. Why? you ask. I’ll tell you. In the twentieth century a new political entity was born. It was Fascism. That was where government power and corporate power were merged. It was placed on the right becaise corporate power is part of the right political spectrum and Goverment is common to both left and right. There is no truth that all “isms” are on the left. Scholars throughout the world debate this. It is not as cut and dried as you make it out to be. If i told you that separation of church and state is one of the major reasons communism was accepted by so many people initially you would laugh. I say look it up. See if it is funny or if it is the truth. That is research. I don’t take peoples word for it. I investigate and look it up. I do the research then decide.

Part of the issue we have is I believe you see the political spectrum as a one dimensional line. That is the old way and it was flawed and outdated. Many people hold to it for dear life. To them this is a black and white world. It led to the confusion you have about where Fascism belongs. In your case you can list Totalitarianism on the left and anarchy on the right with everything else in between. Convienient and simple if the world were static rather than dymanic. You seem to look at the word socialist in the National Socialist name and take it to mean Socialism in the way we think of a socialist political system ala Marx and Lenin. That is not what National Socialism means. National Socialism means government and Corporations are merged as a form of Fascism.

I see the political spectrum as two dimensional with a social component divided left and right on one axis and an economic component with a left and right along the other axis. That being said:

Lets look at Hitlers Germany. It supports corporations and in many cases private ownership. Where on the political Spectrum would that fit….hum Corporations….private ownership…that fits to the right…. How strong does Hitler believe in it….very strong…hard right on the social scale….. On the econimic scale we move him left of center slightly because he partners with corporations while believing in private ownership. So Hitler is right wing in both cases social extreme right and slightly less economically extreme right. Socialistic Capitalism.

If you did your linerar chart based on Hitlers socialist capitalism you would place him to the right of center as well but not as hard right as I do. Capitalism is the key to where to place him. It is is capitalism it is on the right side. Think of a privately owned corporation integrated into the government. That was what Germany did. Key industries where nationalized property rights were maintained for the most part..

Now look at what is happening in our country Tell me what has happened with the government being stockholders (majority owners actually) in some of our major industries. How does that change where the USA sits on the political spectrum? Are we moving toward Socialistt Capitalism? Think about that for a while. Do you think both political parties have moved us in the same direction in that regard? Finally that begs the question of are we moving toward fascism. Personally I don’t think so but some disagree with me.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 11:42 PM

I consider stalin to be much worse than hitler. He gets a white wash in western history books because he couched his evil in populist rhetoric

This is probably true. I went to school before many of Stalin’s atrocities had come to light, and we still only have a portion of the ugly picture.

I have little doubt that either one would have been a disaster for the human race had either of their megalomaniacal missions reached fruition.

Both were above all else totalitarian, regardless of any other political tag ascribed to them. How they got to their positions of absolute authority were different pathways in some respects, but both took advantage of a downtrodden people who were looking for “hope and change” from their sorry plight. Hmmmm.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

How they got to their positions of absolute authority were different pathways in some respects, but both took advantage of a downtrodden people who were looking for “hope and change” from their sorry plight. Hmmmm.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

That is the best post in this entire thread. Kudos for making the connection.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM

e-pirate wrote:

I’m intrigued that you put “called somebody a racist” in the same league as “killed a woman” and “abortion.”

Shows how meaningless you lefties are; “racist” is just a game for you. I *do* put those things in the same class. What Kennedy did to Clarence Thomas was akin to attempted murder. A man’s reputation is all he has in the end and Kennedy savaged good men for the slightest of political gain. I don’t believe in heaven or hell, but I do take joy in the tiny chance that the pig might have to pay 1% of the hell he inflicted on good people here on earth.

noblejones on August 26, 2009 at 11:59 PM

At the right of your chart is Anarchy. That means no Government at all.

yet a few sentences later…

and Goverment is common to both left and right.

RIIIIGHT! So which is socialism/fascism closer to…no government or absolute government?

That was where government power and corporate power were merged.

Really? Nice rhetorical flourish. Care to define how that is different that “government ownership of the means of production”?

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 AM

At the right of your chart is Anarchy. That means no Government at all.
yet a few sentences later…

and Goverment is common to both left and right.
RIIIIGHT! So which is socialism/fascism closer to…no government or absolute government?

That was where government power and corporate power were merged.
Really? Nice rhetorical flourish. Care to define how that is different that “government ownership of the means of production”?

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 AM

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Both were above all else totalitarian, regardless of any other political tag ascribed to them. How they got to their positions of absolute authority were different pathways in some respects, but both took advantage of a downtrodden people who were looking for “hope and change” from their sorry plight. Hmmmm.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Well, actually, Stalin gained influence by playing Lenin against Trotsky not by being the hopey changey that Hitler offered. Stalin inherited his power from Lenin, Hitler gained his through social unrest. Both however were socialists.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Well, actually, Stalin gained influence by playing Lenin against Trotsky not by being the hopey changey that Hitler offered. Stalin inherited his power from Lenin, Hitler gained his through social unrest. Both however were socialists.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:10 AM

You are correct. I was thinking of the conditions that led to the Bolshevik revolution and eventually led to Stalin’s ascendancy. You get the drift.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:18 AM

At the right of your chart is Anarchy. That means no Government at all.
yet a few sentences later…

and Goverment is common to both left and right.
RIIIIGHT! So which is socialism/fascism closer to…no government or absolute government?

That was where government power and corporate power were merged.
Really? Nice rhetorical flourish. Care to define how that is different that “government ownership of the means of production”?

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:02 AM

In reference you made where I said the governemnt is common to both I talking about left and right os center in determining where fascism is placed on the political spectrum. How to chose left or right. In that example Government is common to both left and right so it is not the deciding factor it can go wither way while Capitalism is only on the right side. That is how you decide where to place fascism.

You realize that the two “isms” are on the opposite side of the spectrum so they can’t be linked. Fasism on the right has a government component while anarcy on the right has an empty government compoment. As you move to the right the Government component is less and less until there is none.

On the left Socialism has a government component When you reach totalitarianism on the left it is total governemnt control.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM

You are correct. I was thinking of the conditions that led to the Bolshevik revolution and eventually led to Stalin’s ascendancy. You get the drift.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:18 AM

yep, and both lenin and hitler assuaged the ignorant masses with the socialist rhetoric one used class warfare, the other racial. Stalin just represented the realistic implementation of the marxist ideology(the same state that hitler created)

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

In today’s climate and realities, I believe it boils down to this: Socialism and Communism are inherently either products of or precursors to highly centralized government, while Capitalism thrives in an environment where the central government is limited.

The closest thing to the Fascism of the previous century today in my mind is Venezuela under Jug-ears’ buddy Hugo Chavez. It is not yet purely Fascist, but it is surely getting there day by day.

That is why Jug-ears’ support of the Chavista Zelaya in Honduras is so very telling and should trouble any thinking American.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM

DID I TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG NAMED “TEDDY”?

OkieDoc on August 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM

You realize that the two “isms” are on the opposite side of the spectrum

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM

You have asserted this, and yet you have no supporting argument. You can only support your supposition using circular logic. Drop the insistence that fascism is “on the right” and your argument is empty.

Fasism on the right has a government component while anarcy on the right has an empty government compoment. As you move to the right the Government component is less and less until there is none.

On the left Socialism has a government component When you reach totalitarianism on the left it is total governemnt control.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM

and yet you agree that Fascism is totalitarianism up to and including economic control. You can’t square that circle.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM

DID I TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG NAMED “TEDDY”?

OkieDoc on August 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM

NO…YOU HAVEN’T…TELL US ABOUT HIM!

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

yep, and both lenin and hitler assuaged the ignorant masses with the socialist rhetoric one used class warfare, the other racial. Stalin just represented the realistic implementation of the marxist ideology(the same state that hitler created)

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Now who do we know today who employs both, regularly?

(Hint: It ain’t Jackie Gleason.)

Obama, you say? Why, that’s racist.

Works like a charm, huh?

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Right with ya on that connection!

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM

I ask you to consider this quote:

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler, May 1, 1927

Fascists are socialists, who believe in racial preferences and death to children in the name of “choice” they force people to be examined by government approved doctors and have judges deciding who is worthy of life. They promote a central government control of economies with massive power to the state to regulate people’s lives. These central principles place them on the extreme left of the political spectrum.

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM

In today’s climate and realities, I believe it boils down to this: Socialism and Communism are inherently either products of or precursors to highly centralized government, while Capitalism thrives in an environment where the central government is limited.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM

OK…here it is. According to marx, socialism is a step in the revolution and evolution to communism. It is the stage where the proletariat becomes class conscious and revolts from capitalism. Then eventually they drift to a situation where government is unnecessary because everyone recognizes “from all according to ability to all according to need”.

Essentially communism is an altruistic democracy. The hole is that altruism doesn’t exist. Men are not angels, therefore governments are necessary. For this reason, societies that try the socialist path never actually get out of them and they become totalitarian command economies.

Fascism just recognized that this was the natural end to marx’s theories, and focused on maximizing that power level. In other words, one step away from the ultimate leftist ideal.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM

Well, he’s ignored that quote once., Let’s see if he addresses it now.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:46 AM

You realize that the two “isms” are on the opposite side of the spectrum

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM
You have asserted this, and yet you have no supporting argument. You can only support your supposition using circular logic. Drop the insistence that fascism is “on the right” and your argument is empty.

Fasism on the right has a government component while anarcy on the right has an empty government compoment. As you move to the right the Government component is less and less until there is none.

On the left Socialism has a government component When you reach totalitarianism on the left it is total governemnt control.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM
and yet you agree that Fascism is totalitarianism up to and including economic control. You can’t square that circle.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM

What follows is a Dictionary Definition of Fascism. Please read the last line of the definiton on Fascism. Follow that for totalitarianism. There is no circle to square. These are the definitions. I can’t help you square that if you don’t agree with it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism

A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the “cult of personality”), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.

Totaltarianism ism is defined as well

to·tal·i·tar·i·an (tō-tāl’ĭ-târ’ē-ən)
adj. Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: “A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.)
n. A practitioner or supporter of such a government.

[total + (author)itarian.]
to·tal’i·tar’i·an·ism n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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Cultural Dictionary

totalitarianism [(toh-tal-uh-tair-ee-uh-niz-uhm)]

Domination by a government of all political, social, and economic activities in a nation. Totalitarianism is a phenomenon of the twentieth century: earlier forms of despotism and autocracy lacked the technical capacity to control every aspect of life. The term is applied both to fascist governments (see fascism) and to many forms of communism.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 11:42 PM

If you’ll peruse the 25 points of the NAZI party platform, you’ll find the American left represented quite sufficiently. After you eliminate the jew hate points, you’ll see Ochimpy’s plans to a T. Even to the extent that he calls for a civilian army.

Ochimpy is a fledgling Hitler just waiting for us to fall asleep long enough for him to burn the Reichstag.

csdeven on August 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM

If many of you claim to be Christians…you’re either fake or really suck at it. What a vile, sick site this is.

fastestslug on August 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM

fastestslug on August 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM

Spare us. You’re glad Ted’s dead! This way you get to troll for an argument other than one that centers around that vile Marxist pig Ochimpy.

csdeven on August 27, 2009 at 12:54 AM

OK…here it is. According to marx, socialism is a step in the revolution and evolution to communism. It is the stage where the proletariat becomes class conscious and revolts from capitalism. Then eventually they drift to a situation where government is unnecessary because everyone recognizes “from all according to ability to all according to need”.

Essentially communism is an altruistic democracy. The hole is that altruism doesn’t exist. Men are not angels, therefore governments are necessary

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Exactly. True Communism is a pipe-dream not based in reality, regardless of the left’s high estimation of Marx and Engels.

For this reason, societies that try the socialist path never actually get out of them and they become totalitarian command economies.

Fascism just recognized that this was the natural end to marx’s theories, and focused on maximizing that power level. In other words, one step away from the ultimate leftist ideal.

This, along with his power ploys, is why I am equating Chavez with Fascism, and why this recent attempt to socialize approx. 1/6th of our entire economy ought to scare the hell out of everyone who values freedom.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 12:55 AM

I’m not glad when anyone dies. Get some help you sicko.

fastestslug on August 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM

I ask you to consider this quote:

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler, May 1, 1927
Fascists are socialists, who believe in racial preferences and death to children in the name of “choice” they force people to be examined by government approved doctors and have judges deciding who is worthy of life. They promote a central government control of economies with massive power to the state to regulate people’s lives. These central principles place them on the extreme left of the political spectrum.

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM

What I recommend is that you look at the actions of the Nazi Government. It never did what Hitler espoused in 1927 with regard to socialism.. Remember in 1927 Hitler was not in Power. He came to power in 1933. In 1927 they were still tring to overcome the communist threat to Germany. They were tied in to the German Workers Party trying to move it to the Nazi Party or more properly the NSDWP. The GWP in Germany were listening to Hitler tell them what they wanted to hear. Look at what happened from 1933 onward to 1945. That is where you see the Nazi Fascist rule. Histor has to be taking in it’s entirety to understand the deception and the reality of that brutal regime.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:57 AM

NSGWP sorry

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:58 AM

If many of you claim to be Christians…you’re either fake or really suck at it. What a vile, sick site this is.

fastestslug on August 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM

You’re only one mouse-click away from somewhere else besides this vile, sick site. Why are you still here?

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 1:05 AM

At least you got the slug part right.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Hey Everyone Have a great night/day. I’ve got to run. You have all made toaday an intersting diversion from the normal left right banter that occurs. It’s been Fun. I learned some things and I hope you did as well.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM

I think I get what Kenda’s main malfunction is.

He sees two political ideologies that share a few traits and automatically assumes the one is almost the same as the other. The difference are the ends that each ideology seeks.

Nazi’s sought socialism and unchallenged power. Conservatism seeks self determination, equality, and freedom.

When you compare the ends sought by the three examples we are discussing, the American liberals are our modern day NAZI’s. Same goals. Different century.

csdeven on August 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM

NO…YOU HAVEN’T…TELL US ABOUT HIM!

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

I spent the last half hour writing “My Dog Teddy”, then it disappeared into cyberspace… or something. Not, real sure what happened.

Maybe “Teddy” meets up with the alternate reality (big) “ALGORE” dog ?

OkieDoc on August 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM

If you’ll peruse the 25 points of the NAZI party platform, you’ll find the American left represented quite sufficiently. After you eliminate the jew hate points, you’ll see Ochimpy’s plans to a T. Even to the extent that he calls for a civilian army.

Ochimpy is a fledgling Hitler just waiting for us to fall asleep long enough for him to burn the Reichstag.

csdeven on August 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM

That is interesting. I have read the twenty-five points previously. I would not be surprised to agree with you. I’ll check that out. Have a nice night.

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM

There’s an old saying I think you should acquaint yourself with: Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.

You still haven’t responded to my question as to whether or not “Father as many children as possible without marrying” is a sentiment you would ever hear an American (not European) conservative promulgate.

csdeven on August 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM

This is only confirming, yet again, my belief that if you go far enough to the right you end up with someone that looks like he’s far enough to the left. And in Herr Adolf’s case, vice versa.

Ryan Gandy on August 27, 2009 at 1:16 AM

BTW Obama’s acceptance speech was almost word for word with one Hitler gave back in the day. Just thought I’d throw that out there. :D

Ryan Gandy on August 27, 2009 at 1:17 AM

csdeven on August 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM

I think most of us here agree on the major points of philosophy, of course with disagreements on many points of policy. The disagreement here, in my humble estimation, is basically one of terminology.

The education system has muddied the waters of history to the extent that many equate Fascism with conservative philosophy, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Fascism has absolutely nothing to do with the central conservative tenets of individualism and small government with strictly limited powers. It is the exact opposite.

Modern teaching tries to cast nationalism in a purely negative light, when in reality nationalism is a proper part of any country’s civic life when exercised reasonably and not exploited for political gain.

Similarly, modern education often seeks to cast the existence of a strong military component in a bad light, when in truth a strong military in the hands of a responsible republic is a force for peace and a deterrant to war, and many times over a positive presence in the world.

To the weak-minded, anyone who waves a flag and cheers the men and women of our armed forces is some kind of ogre. I hope and believe that the left are going too far with their rhetoric of late and the worm will turn.

I could go on, but by now I’ve probably put enough people to sleep with this, so….

….help keep America beautiful; step on a slug.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 1:27 AM

What are the f**k you talkin about Gandy?

This is only confirming, yet again, my belief

What the hell does that even mean?

OkieDoc on August 27, 2009 at 1:30 AM

This is only confirming, yet again, my belief that if you go far enough to the right you end up with someone that looks like he’s far enough to the left. And in Herr Adolf’s case, vice versa.

Ryan Gandy on August 27, 2009 at 1:16 AM

One of my high-school teachers used a horseshoe to represent the political spectrum rather than a line. On it, the extreme left and the extreme right were the tips of the shoe, and thus were converging while at the same time the furthest points apart on the linear graph. The far left was communism as practiced in the USSR and China, and the far right was strictly military dictatorships. In the middle was Republican Democracy.

God bless ya, Coach, if you’re out there.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 1:42 AM

I recall a joke Emo Phillips once told:

“I was pulled over in Massachusetts for drunk driving. When brought before the judge, I was asked if I knew what the punishment for drunk driving in that state was. I said, “I don’t know… four more years in Senate?”

In other news, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, and current Senator Robert Byrd is still alive.

Fed45 on August 27, 2009 at 1:42 AM

Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.

Fascists are usually thus described by Europeans and American Leftists deliberately slandering Conservatives that are faithful to the Founders’ vision of Liberty.

Dude, you’ve chastised others here because you wanted to quibble with their “wrong” dictionary and political scales and such, but your own perspective, which is dramatically outweighed here by facts as well as by a number of well reasoned opinions, happens to be supported only by a few craven Leftists and Euro-centric publications that are much more suspect than anything you’ve sought to dismiss here.

The simple fact is that equating Conservatism with Nazism is as offensive as the Jewish blood libels, and just as dishonest. It has been clearly demonstrated here exactly who has Nazi-like tendencies and who is seeking unprecedented power, and if you’d stop flogging Conservatives long enough you’d also recognize that we ourselves have been singled out to be their Jew substitutes. Maybe you could analyze that instead of falling for their lies and demeaning your brethren with this detestable falsehood.

Maquis on August 27, 2009 at 1:48 AM

What follows is a Dictionary Definition of Fascism. Please read the last line of the definiton on Fascism. Follow that for totalitarianism. There is no circle to square. These are the definitions. I can’t help you square that if you don’t agree with it.

And yet you ignored the ‘definition’ I posted. The one that explicitly noted there was no agreed definition. You have yet to effectively counter any of the points made nor support your conclusion except by insisting it is so.

Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality

Which is why we refer to it as socialism, not communism. As I posted earlier, that is the hole in marxist theory and while National socialism/facism might not demand state ownership, it demands state control. Economic servitude to the state. Businesses regulated by state whim/desire.

“The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State — a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values — interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people. … The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. … State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management.” — Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions.

Economically this is about as far from laissez faire capitalism as the socialistic authoritarianism is from the no government anarchistic tendencies of right wing thought.

To close I leave you with this one

“State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management.”- Benito Mussolini, from the The Labour Charter (Promulgated by the Grand Council of Fascism on April 21, 1927)

Sound like any party we know? Tell us, which school of economic thought encourages government ‘intervention’ in production? Adam Smith or Karl Marx?

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 2:06 AM

One of my high-school teachers used a horseshoe to represent the political spectrum rather than a line. On it, the extreme left and the extreme right were the tips of the shoe, and thus were converging while at the same time the furthest points apart on the linear graph. The far left was communism as practiced in the USSR and China, and the far right was strictly military dictatorships. In the middle was Republican Democracy.

God bless ya, Coach, if you’re out there.

hillbillyjim on August 27, 2009 at 1:42 AM

Mine preferred a circle, with communism and true democracy at essentially the same point. All people vote and decide all issues. Marx just counted on people deciding in an altruistic way, which Madison/Jefferson/Franklin had already dealt with and shown was unrealistic.

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 2:08 AM

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 12:57 AM

I don’t deny that the NAZIs failed to live up to the rhetoric they exposed before they came to power, leftists never do. Socialism is really just an idea. I argue that socialism is a Utopian ideal that is unavoidably corrupted by human nature and impossible to achieve. Communism and fascism are just the results of attempts at socialism. I maintain that communism, fascism, and socialism are leftist ideologies. There is nothing right of center about failed attempts at socialism (ie. NAZI-ism). You might be interested in reading the works of Dr. Jay Ray, a university professor in Australia. He has written long research papers on this subject that you might find interesting.

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 2:23 AM

correction–I said his name is Dr Jay Ray—his name is actually Dr John J Ray—-his work can be found here, here, here, here, here, and here

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 4:49 AM

Correction–I said his name was Dr Jay Ray—his actual name is Dr John J Ray—you can find some of his work here, here, and here

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 4:54 AM

more—here, here, here

Dollayo on August 27, 2009 at 4:59 AM

There’s one more individual, sort of the liberal lion of the U.S. Senate, and that would be Ted Kennedy. If there’s one issue that Ted Kennedy likes more than any other, it’s taxes. In his mind, he’s the Robin Hood of the U.S. Senate. He’s going to steal from the rich and give to the poor. He talks about tax cuts or bonanzas for the rich and giveaways. He supports the inheritance tax in the name of social justice and says repealing it would benefit millionaires. He believes it’s that simple.

That’s what Ted Kennedy says about taxes. But what is the Kennedy record of actually paying taxes? Ted Kennedy of course is a millionaire. You’d think the inheritance tax would affect him. How has that worked out? The reality is that the Kennedys have set up dozens of trusts around the world to avoid paying the very tax that he says is important to pay in the name of social justice: the inheritance tax. What’s particularly ironic about this is, for a long time, their largest asset was Merchandise Mart, the real estate conglomerate. When they decided to set up a trust, where do they domicile that trust? Anybody want to guess? Was it Massachusetts, their home state? Florida? California? Delaware?

The Kennedys domiciled Merchandize Mart, with more than $600 million, on the Pacific Island nation of Fiji. Has Ted Kennedy ever been to Fiji? I don’t think there’s any record that he has. But they picked Fiji because it avoids IRS scrutiny, the sort that you would get if you domiciled the trust in the United States.

The reality today is that Ted Kennedy receives money from trusts established numerous times, from 1926, 1936, 1978, 1987, and 1997, and those trusts of course are designed to avoid paying the inheritance tax.

What does this actually mean in practical terms? Let me give you the bottom line. Ted Kennedy supports an inheritance tax of 49%. Forty-nine percent of what you have goes to the IRS after you die. Now, what rate did the Kennedys pay? The Kennedys have transferred $300 million, this is all according to their records, they have transferred $300 million from one generation to the other, and out of that, they have paid $132,000 in taxes, which is nowhere near 49%? Actually it’s .004 percent. The Kennedys, like a lot of other people on the left, love the idea of paying taxes for other people. When it comes to themselves, they’re not so interested.

MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 5:20 AM

Nazis are on the extreme right of the political spectrum.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Whe someone continues to spout lies like this after the truth has been pointed out to them several times then there are only two posible conclusions:

1. They are just the run of the mill libturd liar

2. They have a psychiatric problem that prevents them from acepting reality

Which one is it with kanda?

bill30097 on August 27, 2009 at 5:54 AM

If many of you claim to be Christians…you’re either fake or really suck at it. What a vile, sick site this is.

fastestslug on August 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM

Please do not take the comment of such as simplesimon and kanda as representative of the site as a whole

bill30097 on August 27, 2009 at 6:35 AM

I recall a joke Emo Phillips once told:

“I was pulled over in Massachusetts for drunk driving. When brought before the judge, I was asked if I knew what the punishment for drunk driving in that state was. I said, “I don’t know… four more years in Senate?”

In other news, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, and current Senator Robert Byrd is still alive.

Fed45 on August 27, 2009 at 1:42 AM

If they can’t get KennedyCare through and Byrd dies will they try ByrdKKKare next?

Jeff from WI on August 27, 2009 at 6:50 AM

Within the last few years two icons died that were intertwined in history. Ted Kennedy and Oldsmobile.
My condolences to Oldsmobile.

Jeff from WI on August 27, 2009 at 7:12 AM

Michelle, is a day to give comfort over?

try again later on August 27, 2009 at 7:32 AM

kanda, you make the crucial error of asserting Hitler was right-wing, where as you should be arguing about which of Hitler’s policies were right-wing. There wern’t many, and subsequently even if Fascism is politically neutral, Hitlerism and Nazism are most certainly leftist concepts.

If you want an example of an ostensibly right-wing Statism, try Francisco Franco, the forgotten dictator.

BKennedy on August 27, 2009 at 7:33 AM

American progressives are liberals.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Your view is skewed because you don’t have enough information to form the correct view.

In the early 20th century progressives successfully co-opted the term “liberal”. The started calling themselves liberal and started calling the true liberals … the classical liberals, conservatives. This was done because of the negative connotation that “progressive” had acquired for many reasons including their work on eugenics that Hitler himself used as a model for his eugenics programs.

darwin on August 27, 2009 at 8:02 AM

He should have served prison time for killing his passenger years ago. Now maybe he is answering to someone he cant influence with money.

tx2654 on August 27, 2009 at 9:33 AM

You know the Devil is stickin his fork in Teddy’s ass right about now !

CEA_Agent on August 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM

MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 5:20 AM

Great piece of information that you provded. I had no idea.

Unfortunately, I am not suprised. Typical liberal telling the rest of to do as they say, not as they do.

rukiddingme on August 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

In the early 20th century progressives successfully co-opted the term “liberal”. The started calling themselves liberal and started calling the true liberals … the classical liberals, conservatives. This was done because of the negative connotation that “progressive” had acquired for many reasons including their work on eugenics that Hitler himself used as a model for his eugenics programs.

darwin on August 27, 2009 at 8:02 AM

+100000

Fighton03 on August 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Kanda,

there are corporations and private property in Socialist countries.

therefore, those things are common to right and left.

Claiming that b/c Hitler worked with Corporations (he also worked with unions btw) means Fascism is a right-wing phenonemena is wishful thinking.

Or, more to the point, look at the Nazi Party platform and the policies it enacted. Most were left of center to far left of center.

Did they also do some things that other types of gov’t have done, such as allow private property? Yes. That hardly is evidence of it being on the right.

People in the U.S.S.R. owned private property. Does that make the U.S.S.R. a right-wing gov’t?

Your analysis is completely flawed. The idea that “corporations” are right wing is flawed. All of the socialist countries of Europe have corporations.

there are Corporations operating in Cuba right now.

The idea that the existence of corporations makes Fascism right-wing is nuts.

Instead, you must look at the policies and philosophy of the Nazi’s – something you have utterly failed to do or to point to any that support your argument.

Monkeytoe on August 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM

The Hate in these comments is sickening. You people have no soul.

Erock on August 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM

interesting that Obama is on vacation on marthas vineyard and kennedy turns up dead. HMMM

workingforpigs on August 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM

interesting that Obama is on vacation on marthas vineyard and kennedy turns up dead. HMMM

workingforpigs on August 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Could it be Ogabe was beta testing his first Death Panel victim patient?

Sweet_Thang on August 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Good news.

Fox News reports

President Obama will deliver the eulogy at Sen. Ted Kennedy’s funeral Saturday at a Boston church.

Drudge Headline

HEALTH BILL FROM THE GRAVE: DEMS RALLY AROUND OBAMAKENNEDYCARE

kanda on August 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Outstanding, someone used my idea!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_T_Gn4vb7qXg/SpX4RVEtj3I/AAAAAAAAAPo/rk00vd2_wbk/s1600-h/ussted.htm

Jeff from WI on August 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM

And simpletonsimon, lay off of the cheeze wizecracks, ok? It’s the next best thing to bacon, for chrissakes.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Bah.

Bratwurst ftw.

malclave on August 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Good Night Uncle Ted…….

I know your still in meetings with God over your life…..

BigMike252 on August 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Good riddance to bad garbage. America will be better off without him sabotaging our national defence while driving us bankrupt paying off the perenially indigent.

quikstrike98 on August 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM

The Hate in these comments is sickening. You people have no soul.

Erock on August 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Oh? I’ve never left a woman to drown. Nor have I assisted in the coverup of sex crimes. How about you? Soulless? No, satisfied at seeing a nasty piece of filth finally put out of this country’s misery.

quikstrike98 on August 27, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Douchebagitis? Is that covered by Obamacare?

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM

No, I’m sorry, that would be considered a “pre-existing condition” and would not be covered.

roxi618 on August 27, 2009 at 3:39 PM

The sorriest ranch hand goin’ becomes a master horseman and an expert roper the moment he dies.

Army Brat on August 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I think I’m going to be physically ill after reading the HuffPo garbage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-lafsky/the-footnote-speaks-what_b_270298.html

Jeff from WI on August 27, 2009 at 4:49 PM

President Obama will deliver the eulogy at Sen. Ted Kennedy’s funeral Saturday at a Boston church.

I wonder if Erckle will mention in his eulogy Saturday how lucky he was that had Teddy not had a brain tumor he would probably have endorsed Hillary.

cavman on August 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM

God is on the side of everyone who believes in him through his son Jesus Christ. It’s a belief that you achieve through faith. That’s how I know. If you are not a Christian you mileage may vary.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Just one interjection. A belief in the Christ is not something that is achieved. Faith is a gift from God.

shick on August 27, 2009 at 5:20 PM

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