Ted Kennedy, 1932-2009

posted at 7:32 am on August 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Ted Kennedy lost his battle with brain cancer last night and died at the age of 77.  Kennedy, whose life was marked with tragedies and losses as well as self-inflicted scandals but also with legislative victories and power, had been ill for the last year, and had missed most of the 2009 session of Congress as a result:

Edward M. Kennedy, one of the most powerful and influential senators in American history and one of three brothers whose political triumphs and personal tragedies captivated the nation for decades, died late Tuesday at his home in Hyannis Port, Mass., at age 77. He had been battling brain cancer.

His family announced his death in a brief statement released early Wednesday. “We’ve lost the irreplaceable center of our family and joyous light in our lives, but the inspiration of his faith, optimism, and perseverance will live on in our hearts forever,” the statement said. “We thank everyone who gave him care and support over this last year, and everyone who stood with him for so many years in his tireless march for progress toward justice, fairness and opportunity for all.” …

Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, was the last male survivor of a privileged and charismatic family that in the 1960s dominated American politics and attracted worldwide attention. His sister Eunice Kennedy Shriver, founder of the Special Olympics, died two weeks ago, also in Hyannis Port. One sibling, former U.S. ambassador to Ireland Jean Kennedy Smith, is still alive.

As heir through tragedy to his accomplished older brothers — President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy (D-N.Y.), both of whom were assassinated — Edward Kennedy became the patriarch of his clan and a towering figure in the U.S. Senate to a degree neither of his siblings had been.

That last is a little unfair to John and Robert, who were both assassinated before their parents had died.  Had they survived, John and and then Robert would almost certainly have assumed that role.  Both deaths were American tragedies, but they were deeply personal tragedies for all of the Kennedys, and Ted had that role thrust upon him to a large extent through two assassins’ bullets.

As Michelle says, we will have plenty of time to analyze Kennedy’s life and work, but today is a day to give comfort to Kennedy’s family.  They will be in my prayers.

Update: Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, issued this statement:

“It is with great sadness that Elaine and I note the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy, one of the giants of American political life, a longtime Senate colleague, and a friend.

“No one could have known the man without admiring the passion and vigor he poured into a truly momentous life. We send our deepest expressions of sympathy to Vicki, his children, and the entire Kennedy family.”


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If the printed text of Hitler’s word’s can’t sway this boob, nothing will. And they appear in a post above. Hitler himself said they are the same, that closes that argument.

dogsoldier on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I know. That’s why I asked him above if he recognized that leftist propaganda has led him to disbelieve his own eyes and ears.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I I I I I I I my I I I I I my I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I my I my I I

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 6:35 PM

You use more personal pronouns than your president.

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 6:49 PM

I heard CNN mention on the news today that Teddy was the lion of the Senate, although he had several low points in his career.

…Wait, lion of the Senate? And all this time I thought it was Lyin’ of the Senate.

…..nah, I think I’m still right.

CatsGodot on August 26, 2009 at 6:49 PM

kanda says he’s a student of history …

but I’ll bite.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Friedrich Engels.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM

I heard CNN mention on the news today that Teddy was the lion of the Senate

JellyToast on August 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM

I heard Rush say that if Ted was a lion, then Americans were his prey.

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Hornet,
You mean like this….

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM

kanda says he’s a student of history …

but I’ll bite.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM

3rd grade

3 times

bill30097 on August 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM

From Kanda’s Wiki quote:

The Nazi Party is generally described as being at the extreme or far right of the left-right political axis. While the party incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

You might benefit from recognizing that the Left-Right Political Scale is entirely different in Europe. Than the US. In Europe Communism goes on the Left and Fascism the Right, and Liberty is not even represented at all. Here, the scale reflects Liberty, with totalitarianisms on the Left and Conservativism almost all to the Right, though the scale does continue in that direction into the realms of Libertarianism and then Anarchy. American Conservatives are for Ordered Liberty. Every socialism, every totalitarianim, falls on the Left.

The only convenient revisionism going on around here is the insistence that the American Left’s demonizing of Conservatives as related to Hitler is valid and in line with American political thought. It’s a lie based on the perverted European political scale that doesn’t have a place for nor even recognize Liberty, for Tyranny is all they have known and all they ever choose and inflict.

Maquis on August 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Hornet,
You mean like this….

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Without the clothes….just me, my thong, and my Indian Headdress and coconut oil.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

loves to lick her butt…. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Sorry, Madison isn’t available at the moment.

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Rats. Beat me to it.

I was going to post:

Rhymes with “jingles”?

And don’t call me surely.

viking01 on August 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Without the clothes….just me, my thong, and my Indian Headdress and coconut oil.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Uh … don’t stop.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

loves to lick her butt…. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Sorry, Madison isn’t available at the moment.

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Lox, you are a naughty boy…

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Without the clothes….just me, my thong, and my Indian Headdress and coconut oil.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Uh … don’t stop.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Just shakin’ that tail feather…..dance dance dance dance!

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

DDT on August 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

And I will point out that Ochimpy called for a civilian defense force that is just as strong and well funded as the US military. Hitler did the same exact thing.

Sturmabteilung or Brown Shirts. The Hitler Youth were groomed to fill the ranks of Sturmabteilung as adults.

And the NAZI party was nationalism, socialism, and was manned by the labor movement. UNIONS. Hitler, the clever minion of Satan that he was, used nationalism as a tool to promote socialism. Which really was a huge power grab by him and his socialist power hungry scum bags.

csdeven on August 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

woh…got pics…maybe...lol

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 6:57 PM

And don’t call me surely.

viking01 on August 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

certainly not. I know surely, and you’re no surely! LOL

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 6:59 PM

ok lloyd…lol

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM

woh…got pics…maybe…lol

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 6:57 PM

No kidding!

I want pics of HornetSting’s Indian Headdress !! :}

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM

So kanda gave up? Or is he “researching” links.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM

So kanda gave up? Or is he “researching” links.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM

kanda’s mommy called him to dinner

bill30097 on August 26, 2009 at 7:05 PM

now you’re talken’ Darwin…and I bet Hornet is looking for something that…well… we’ll see.
Give her time…it’ll be good.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

loves to lick her butt…. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM

For Hornet, I would.

Old men like Lox can’t get their tongues to lift, much less anything else.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Roger Captain Oveur this is Roger in the tower. Over?

viking01 on August 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM

So kanda gave up? Or is he “researching” links.

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Kanda and crr are back under their bridge.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM

loves to lick her butt…. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM
For Hornet, I would.

Old men like Lox can’t get their tongues to lift, much less anything else.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Whoa. Step away from the cat.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM

now you’re talken’ Darwin…and I bet Hornet is looking for something that…well… we’ll see.
Give her time…it’ll be good.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I’m on paypal….. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM

viking01 on August 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop drinking.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Whoa. Step away from the cat.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM

No need to use synonyms.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:11 PM

and back to the title of the thread…..I didn’t know the man as a person so I can only refer to his works. I did not agree with them when he was alive, and I will not canonize him after he’s dead.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Kanda.

If you get back, when you do, order this series.

I’m not one for the usual tripe of the History Channel, but this is definitely an eye-opener.

http://shop.history.com/detail.php?p=69306

Ryan Gandy on August 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I have a fantastic glossy photo, but unfortunately, I’m not that good with links and what not, so it will stay in my office.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Whoa. Step away from the cat.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM
No need to use synonyms.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Got anymore whiskey?

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I’m on paypal….. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM

:()

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM

I know I’m blowing my own horn here,, posted this on another article as well. Couldn’t help myself. Please forgive me. So sorry.

Well, how to respond? I certainly would not wish this on anyone. My thoughts and sympathies are with him and the family.
It is the Dems that make things like this political,, so,, I think we should be prepared for massive new government programs to be passed in his honor and with his name attached. And to vote against them will be considered insensitive and mean spirited. To attack the coming massive new expansions of government legislation introduced in his honor will be likened to attacking the bed ridden man himself! I can hear it all now, “For the love of all decency and God himself, can we not just this once put the partisanship aside and for the good of the nation and in honor of the great name of Kennedy pass this new massive health care plan that our dear beloved Senator Kennedy had fought for all of his life,, as our nations gift to such a great legacy!”
Sure, you laugh now, but just give it time.

JellyToast on May 20, 2008 at 6:46 PM

JellyToast on August 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM

thanks to his name and a boat friggin load of money he had a lifetime appointment as a Senator. Too bad Mary Jo and millions of unborn were not as lucky.

Sorry but I spit

CWforFreedom on August 26, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I have a fantastic glossy photo, but unfortunately, I’m not that good with links and what not, so it will stay in my office.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM

:(

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:17 PM

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM
:(

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Sorry. I have good news, though. There’s a Mitt thread that just started up…..Kennedy gone and Mitt thread all in one day is just almost too much.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM

For Hornet, I would.

Old men like Lox can’t get their tongues to lift, much less anything else.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

For Madison, I wouldn’t.

Youngins like Madison like to flap their tongues a lot about would, but there’s an old saying:

A wood chuck would chuck if he could.

And if he had a standard rhyming dictionary.

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I was never a fan of Mr. Kennedy, but I hope he makes it to heaven.
For the very least, to say sorry to MaryJo.

mmcnamer1 on August 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Got anymore whiskey?

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Every good Irish wake has whiskey. All we need is a toast.

Where’s Madison?

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Sorry. I have good news, though. There’s a Mitt thread that just started up…..Kennedy gone and Mitt thread all in one day is just almost too much.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM

But did you save any money on your car insurance?

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Tease :4. vt arouse feeling without giving satisfaction: to arouse hope, curiosity, or especially physical desire in somebody with no intention of giving satisfaction
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:25 PM

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I aim to tease…..

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:26 PM

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Every good Irish wake has whiskey. All we need is a toast.

Where’s Madison?

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Hopefully out buying me more whiskey….I’m laying in wait to ambush him and beat him again with his walker.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Checking in at # 1525.

ppaint on August 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM

The Johnny Walker Whiskey company will have flags at half staff for a year and they just laid off the tank truck driver that made the Kennedy Compound weekly run.

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 7:31 PM

;p

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Oh Plz get his ugly mug outta here..enough already
He was no Mother Teresa
Heck he was no Fr Cecil Williams either
Just another snooty liberal who used a “cause”/schitck to stay on his job and advance his career.

macncheez on August 26, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Ted,

I’ve got to cut you loose, I have a horrible hangover already.

Sweet dreams you rotten scumbag.

Lincoln Cadillac on August 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Hopefully out buying me more whiskey….I’m laying in wait to ambush him and beat him again with his walker.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM

That sentence right there demonstrates you’ve had enough, Hornet. Please step out of your vehicle. Now first, please touch your nose with your right index finger…

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Hopefully out buying me more whiskey….I’m laying in wait to ambush him and beat him again with his walker.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM
That sentence right there demonstrates you’ve had enough, Hornet. Please step out of your vehicle. Now first, please touch your nose with your right index finger…

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Oh goody, foreplay.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Kudos again to you all for looking past narrow partisan politics to see the greatness of an American senatorial legend.

crr6 on August 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

The damaged liberal psyche on display.

Up is down. Down is up. Bad is good. Good is bad. A lying murdering scumbag is great.

csdeven on August 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Hopefully out buying me more whiskey….I’m laying in wait to ambush him and beat him again with his walker.

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Lissen, sugar pie, last time I beat you with my walker you woke the neighbors for 13 blocks with your wails of ecstasy and for the next week you whined about your inability to walk properly, so you best not look your gift horse in the mouth.

And horse is literal, as you well know.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:46 PM

And horse is literal, as you well know.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Yes. From laughter.

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:46 PM

This is too solemn an occasion for misspelling.

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Listen to Rush tomorrow.

Something concerning Kennedy, Soviet Union and nuclear weapons.

BallisticBob on August 26, 2009 at 7:58 PM

KARMA’s a b*tch eh Chappaquiddick Teddy?

metric on August 26, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Ted was a great man…a true humanitarian …

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 8:05 PM

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Lissen, sugar pie, last time I beat you with my walker you woke the neighbors for 13 blocks with your wails of ecstasy and for the next week you whined about your inability to walk properly, so you best not look your gift horse in the mouth.

And horse is literal, as you well know.

MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I am, for the first time in my life, speechless…..

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 8:05 PM

+ 10

macncheez on August 26, 2009 at 8:15 PM

I’m on paypal….. :)

HornetSting on August 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM

:()

darwin on August 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM

(o_O)

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Geraldo was just on O’Rieley crying over the passing of “the lion”………….

……….. excuse me whilst I go throw up.

Seven Percent Solution on August 26, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Thanks Mac…didn’t take long to find…there’s so much out there and I find it remarkable that most everyone is being so…for lack of a better word…
kind.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM

1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.

2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can’t count to four! His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush received).

3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his “education” NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!

4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia , he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver’s license was never revoked.. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!

5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a “state secret” until in the 1980’s when the report was unsealed.. Didn’t hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?

GunRunner on August 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Didn’t hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?

GunRunner on August 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Those stories and the Mary Jo K. thing are lost on the media

CWforFreedom on August 26, 2009 at 8:46 PM

The brown supremacist Geraldo should follow DrunKennedy into the ninth concentric ring of Dante’s Inferno.

Jerricho68 on August 26, 2009 at 8:52 PM

The only convenient revisionism going on around here is the insistence that the American Left’s demonizing of Conservatives as related to Hitler is valid and in line with American political thought. It’s a lie based on the perverted European political scale that doesn’t have a place for nor even recognize Liberty, for Tyranny is all they have known and all they ever choose and inflict.

Maquis on August 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM

If I left you with the impression that the left in their demonizing of conservatives is valid I apologize. That was never my intent. What I was attempting to convey is that I understand why the left is able to get away with it. It is the actions of those who are intolerant of others and shout them down such as happens in conservative blogs. The same is true for the other side except that their propaganda machine is better at pointing the finger our way.

While it is true that some of my view about hitler is formed based on european historical record it is not by any stretch of the imagination the only record I am familiar with. I will explore the possiblie that my liberal conservative perspective is different because of it. I think I take that into account but maybe I don’t. My reference point is core beliefs and actions of the particular political group. I find it most interesting that the philosophy of the Nazis when they governed is very similar to American conservative values in several important respects.

This is philosopical so bear with me. I’ll use just a few points of comparison. This is refering to American conservatives, American liberals, German Nazi’s.

Nationalism – Conservatives are nationalists, Nazi’s were nationalists, Liberals are internationalists.

Military – Conservatives pro, Nazi’s Pro, Liberals close to anti normally but pseudo pro when in power.

Torture – advanced interogation techniques – Conservatives yes Nazi’s yes Liberals no…but closet yes when in power.

Religion – Conservative Christian, Nazi Christian but no particualr creed supported. Liberal keep god out of politics

Slogan of Government. Conservitive – In God we Trust, Nazi Germany – God is with us, Liberal – get god off our money

Those are just a few simiarities. One significant thing is many historians of the time who lived it classify the nazi’s as right wing even extremist right wing. Nazi literature of the times makes the same classification. If you can find some historical travel brocures you may be able to see it for yourselves. Think of ultra conservative or ultra ultra conservative to get an idea where on the spectrum of left to right the Nazi’s fell using an American perspective.

If you study Nazi history you will see Hitler joining the German Workers Party in 1918 or 1919. This was a left leaning organization then. Its significance needs to be considered in light of WWI and how that impacted Germany. Later Hitler would control the GWP and add National Socialist to the Title. If you look at the history of the GWP from the 1920′s to the 1930s as it morphed into the Nazi party you will see how it changed into the right wing entity we know as the government of Nazi Germany.

Someone made a comparison of the campaign of one to the manner in which Hitler ran for office. There could be similarities to consider. Look at the ways the one has changed from all things to all people just like AH was to the Germans at first. See the changes to to the position he holds now on the war for instance. This is most apparent in his turnaround on the war on terror. Now it is worth fighting. Troops still are in both theaters and he is adding more in Afganistan. Moving right is the term you know applies to that change. There are others but I am only try to peak your interest to get you to do research and most importantly think. AH nationalized key industries and left the rest to free enterprise as long as they supported nazi germany. Think how we see our major banks, auto companies, and now maybe the insurance industry as being consolidated under government control. Are we moving in the direction Germany did? I hope not but I am watching just in case. Is This being supported by both parties in America? Did it start under a conservative government and continue under a liberal one? If you can’t answer those questions truthfully you are blinded by partisanship. That is the division that is blinding a majority of Americans of both sides. The bottom line is that between the two extremes of the ultra liberals and the ultra conservatives that means the extreme left wing and the extreme right wing of the parties is only us. The conservatives and the conservative leaning liberals. We sit a little to the right of center but not so far to the right as those who badger and browbeat the rest of us. I will put some here in the ultra conservative camp. On the liberal side the ultra liberals. The danger to our nation is real from both sides of the political spectrum. If we fail to learn from history and specifically I mean German history of the 20th century from 1909-1945 we may be doomed to repeat that. I am genuinely concerned for our nation. I pray to God that does not happen here. It is up to us to guard against it. That means from either side trying to trick us into giving up our freedom for economic salvation, or to fight the terrorists, or to get health care. We must be on guard now more than ever in our history.

That is what I am trying to get you interested in exploring. To see what you think. Get some discussion and dialog going. I want you to think for yourselves while you still can. Don’t be pushed into polorized positions against others. Keep open minded about things that are going on. Keep things in proper perspective. Especially here on the blogs. Don’t be buffaloed. Don’t be surprised when some try to shut you down. Speak up and be heard. Keep the faith in each other. Remember that even those who are on the opposite side of the political specrum are not your enemy. They are your friends and neighbors. Your firemen, your policemen, your soldiers, sailors(navy-coasties), airmen and Marines. Above all remember we are all Americans.
Let’s act that way by getting back to our conservative values rather than adopting the valuse and tactics of our adversaries on the left. We should show them the right way to do things. That is why we are conservative to begin with.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Allow me to sum up your waste of blog-space:

(-.-) ZzzZzzZzz

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 9:05 PM

I hope someone thinks to save his nose so we can have him back when cloning techniques improve.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 26, 2009 at 9:14 PM

kanda,
You failed to mention fascism and progressivism in your dissertation…
And it seems you eliminate the possibility we are really living under an oligarchy…
Could you explore theses? What are your thoughts…inquiring minds what to know.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Nationalism – Conservatives are nationalists, Nazi’s were nationalists, Liberals are internationalists.

I think the conservative/ liberal divide on that is more along the lines of government size. I also think Hitler would have been perfectly happy with an international government… as long as he was in charge.

Military – Conservatives pro, Nazi’s Pro, Liberals close to anti normally but pseudo pro when in power.

Conservatives pro for defense of national interests, Nazis pro to spread their ideology by force, liberals depends on how it suits their message of the day (John Kerry comes to mind).

Torture – advanced interogation techniques – Conservatives yes Nazi’s yes Liberals no…but closet yes when in power.

Conservatives yes if its really needed, Nazis yes because we can, liberals say no to pretend to be caring but really yes.

Religion – Conservative Christian, Nazi Christian but no particualr creed supported. Liberal keep god out of politics

Conservatives traditionalism, Nazis exploit religion by demonizing minorities, liberals religion is a political tool to be used or discarded as needed.

Slogan of Government. Conservitive – In God we Trust, Nazi Germany – God is with us, Liberal – get god off our money

Conservatives it’s our national motto and what’s wrong with it anyway, Nazis appropriating the age-old “divine right of kings”, liberals whatever is politically expedient.

Yes, I’ve heard these arguments before, but they’ve always struck me as kind of superficial.

malclave on August 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM

I’m quite late to the wake, but I’d like to share my feelings and offer a prayer for Ted Kennedy. I mean this with all sincerity. I am always grateful that I am Catholic, but today, I have yet another reason to feel that gratitude. We believe in Purgatory and I’m so glad, because I hope he is there, in the lowest and darkest regions, because the imperfect Christian in me can not hope he is in Heaven and does not suffer for the things he did in this life, especially the scandal he brought to my Church and the millions of unborn human beings and misguided young women that suffered for it. However, I do pray God has mercy on him and he isn’t someplace worse.

Oh my Jesus, save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy. Amen

pannw on August 26, 2009 at 9:17 PM

theses? oops

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:18 PM

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM

For the love of corn! Don’t encourage that elitist windbag to spew more pseudo-intellectual arglebargle!

Each post seems to get longer and more pretentious like some sort of jibbering leftist flubber.

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 9:19 PM

For those who made points about where Facism sites on the political scale for me the major forms of political philosophy from left to right are

Totalitarianism – left and definately is not a democracy.

Communist being a prime example of totalitarianism – may have democratic constitution. Former USSR, China, Cuba.

Socialist – left – liberal typically Democracy but can be totalitarian -France

liberal – England – left leaning

Conservative – USA -Right leaning

Libertarian – Ultra right – None that I am aware of

Fascist – extreme right – Nazi Germany, Italy in the 1930s-40′s

I think that most of our discussion is around where to place Nazi Germany and by default where to place Fascism to the left or right on the political scale. I put it to the right because most everything I have ever read about it puts it as extreme right.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM

McCain just told Hannity that Kennedy was a “good and decent man.” Any wonder why Juan lost?

arnold ziffel on August 26, 2009 at 9:23 PM

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Hey… the thread’s dying… and if we keep him occupied here it will be easy reading elsewhere…But don’t tell him that…

All kidding aside…I’m still trying to figure out where he’s getting these notions that conserviitves are Nazis …I find it interesting …I just hope it’s not coming from a msm view of neo-Nazis …

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Nazi Germany was an abberation in history and cannot be placed neatly on the political graph we think we all know.

Hitler’s bloody regime took the worst from all sides to form the most malignant political and governmental system that we have seen. (There may be some equally horrible in history but not in modern times.)

I don’t think you can clearly place Nazism either on the left or right.

Hitler was nothing if not totalitarian, so by your formulation, that would mean he was squarely on the left. The nationalistic tendencies are more widely considered to be rightist traits. So there alone is a paradox if you use the accepted orthodoxies. There are many such incongruities, as I am sure you are well aware.

Thank you for your thoughtful posts– it is well worth remembering history and the axiom about those who do not learn from it.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Hey Kanda,

What do you think of this

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM

The man was a drunk and a womanizer until the bright young age of 60.

oldyeller on August 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM

arnold ziffel on August 26, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Well, Hannity prefaced every single statement he made against Obama during the election with the exact words. “He’s a good man…blah blah…” I’m sure any number of people driving past me on the way to pick-up at school saw me screaming at the top of my lungs, “HE IS NOT A GOOD MAN! GOOD MEN DON’T SUPPORT THE MURDER OF UNBORN HUMAN BEINGS!”

*Sigh*

pannw on August 26, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Where can we get a big enough garbage can to bury this POS?

Mary Jo is unavailable to comment.

cjs1943 on August 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM

You fail to see the context of nationalism in hitler’s germany. He was only a nationalist as a means to advance his socialist agenda. He was successful in establishing a very strong centralized government nd used totalatarian means to hold onto it.

Exactly the model Ochimpy is following with his call for a national defense force that is just as strong and well funded as the US military is. A force that would be under his control.

Ochimpy is hitler during the early 30′s. He is establishing his power base after writing a book to propagandize his past. He used national pride to garner support just as hitler did. He is now moving toward marxism so fast, it’s a struggle to keep up.

In the philosophies that were the real threat to the world, Ochimpy and his leftist loons are so aligned with Hitler’s ways that it’s hard to tell them apart.

csdeven on August 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM

So, Teddy is standing at the Gates of heaven .
St. Peter: Hard to believe you’re JFK’s brother. In the South Pacific ocean, he saved his entire
crew when his PT 109 was rammed at night by a destroyer and sank.
But you …..You couldn’t save a single person from drowning in shallow water.
How do you explain that?
Ted Kennedy: Well…ahh…ahh…Johnny was a soldier and not a politician at the time.
St. Peter: Hmmmm….I see your point. Well, Welcome to Heaven Senator.
You’ll be sharing a room and your roommate’s name is Mary Jo.

centre on August 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM

So, Teddy is standing at the Gates of heaven .
St. Peter: Hard to believe you’re JFK’s brother. In the South Pacific ocean, he saved his entire
crew when his PT 109 was rammed at night by a destroyer and sank.
But you …..You couldn’t save a single person from drowning in shallow water.
How do you explain that?
Ted Kennedy: Well…ahh…ahh…Johnny was a soldier and not a politician at the time.
St. Peter: Hmmmm….I see your point. Well, Welcome to Heaven Senator.
You’ll be sharing a room and your roommate’s name is Mary Jo.

centre on August 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Teds not talking to St.Pete. But then again neither did Jack & Bobby

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM

From the only source Kanda has graced us with-

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology. [5]

Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in conflict against the weak.[6] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.[9] In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a “Third Way” in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[10][11] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Mussolini called his nation’s system “the corporate state”).[12][13] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.[14]

The term “Facist” cannot be defined today because today’s socialists recognize that Fascism is nothing more than antagonistic Socialism. They cannot accept that their socialist beliefs are only separated from the ‘evil’ fascism because Hitler led the charge.

Almost every criteria Kanda listed (with the exception of religion) could be applied to the Soviet Union in spades, and he avoided all economic discussion.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I’m still trying to figure out where he’s getting these notions that conserviitves are Nazis

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Where every liberal drone gets them; University!

You can see by his ridiculous chart that he has placed Fascism, an authoritarian hierarchical government, to the right of Libertarianism, which advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state more than conservatives.

They don’t teach the real definition of left and right at University anymore, where far-right is Anarchy, and far left is Oligarchy. If this astroturf had actually done the research he pretentiously demands of us, he would know that Communism, Fascism, and Socialism are on the Oligarchy (left) side, and that includes Hitler’s Socialism.

TMK on August 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM

kanda,
You failed to mention fascism and progressivism in your dissertation…
And it seems you eliminate the possibility we are really living under an oligarchy.
Could you explore theses? What are your thoughts…inquiring minds what to know.
jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Fascism is on the extreme right.

American progressives are liberals. Left leaning. Probably bordering on ultra liberal. If we divide the democrats into democrat and social democrat, the progresives are the social democrat component or the party, or ultra liberal wing. That is as close as I can get. Unfortunately they are muddying the waters as that term is confusing many people into thinking it includes all democrats or all liberals. Remember the american democrat party is one of inclusiveness. Their philosopy seems to be divide a group then include that group as a group. You know Black, Hispanic, Women, Gay, Lesbian are some of their groups. Simply add the word Democrat after the name of the group to self identify. While the Republicans are only Republicans.

As for an oligarchy it is typically where a few hold the political power usually structured with an elite component. It was alive and well in parts of Africa during the last century. It think most of that is gone now but I have not followed that since I got out of the military.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM

I’m sorry to see that some readers have sunk to the low established when many of those on the left greeted Reagan’s death with glee and said he was burning in Hell.

Let’s be better than that and show that we are the right side.

gary fouse on August 26, 2009 at 9:56 PM

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I thoroughly disagree. Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR operated in much the same way, from militaristic development, to economic control, to social antagonism (racial and cultural enemies). The german system couched it’s rhetoric in terms of race, the soviets in terms of party.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM

All kidding aside…I’m still trying to figure out where he’s getting these notions that conserviitves are Nazis …I find it interesting …I just hope it’s not coming from a msm view of neo-Nazis …

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM

All kidding aside I thought we were done then I found this.

No conservatives are not Nazis. Nazis are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. Conservatives are in the middle. Liberals try to connect the two. My point is the liberals point to those here who seem to hold extreme right views and who browbeat others. They point to that to make the connection. It is the gang mentality they point to as many gang up on one or a few and shut there voice down. It is well known to occur on hot air. That is unfortunate. The truth is that some conservitive blogs are giving into the pressure and restricting, eliminating or banning that behavior. Think LGA. So far Michelle and the Hot Air team has given us mucjh more latitude than some blogs. As long as we maintain civility and respect for one anothers perspective I hope that continues.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Fascism is on the extreme right.

American progressives are liberals. Left leaning. Probably bordering on ultra liberal.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM

wow…no further info is needed…thank you.

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Well, well. The ‘conservative’ ‘christians’ here are pretty busy throwing stones. Like George Bush, I speak to teh God nightly. He said that Ted is, in fact, in Hell right next to Dale Earnhardt. They are saving a seat for Laura Bush.

Have a blessed evening.

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I said it earlier today, and I’ll close out the night saying it…

GOOD RIDDANCE!

madmonkphotog on August 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Hey Kanda,

What do you think of this …

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM

It is what is says it it is. This is a chart of the politcal spectrum that fits the needs of the Conservative Debate Handbook.

***Chapter Twelve–Conservative Debate Handbook***
THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM
There have been many attempts, through the years, to graphically represent the political spectrum. While some of these have been on the basis of a horizontal line, some on the basis of a circle and some on the basis of a geometric object with cross axes and a distribution of traits, none of these has proven really satisfactory to the stated purpose. While our effort, here, will doubtless draw some negative criticism as well, we wished to at least take a stab at shedding more light on the subject. The chart that follows is that stab.

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

kanda on August 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

so… it is to be dismissed?

jerrytbg on August 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Comedy Gold! You even worked in NASCAR!

Before you know it you might make a cogent statement!

daesleeper on August 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM

simplesimon on August 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Better someone who claims to talk to God, than one who claims to be His partner.

Fighton03 on August 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM

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