Quotes of the day
posted at 10:55 pm on August 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
“‘No matter where you watch television today – even if you turn on FOX – you are going to get the syrupy – everything they say is going to be predictable: let’s put aside our differences for today and respect the great work and achievements of Sen. Kennedy,’ Limbaugh said. ‘I am going to vomit and puke all over everyone with this analysis today.’”
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“The legislation for which he will be remembered is precisely the sort of top-down, centralized legislation that needs to be jettisoned in the 21st century. Like Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.V.) and the recently deposed Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), Kennedy was in fact a man out of time, a bridge back to the past rather than a guide to the future. His mind-set was very much of a piece with a best-and-the-brightest, centralized mentality that has never served America well over the long haul.
Bigger was better, and government at every level but especially at the highest level, had to lead the way. In an increasingly flat, dispersed, networked world in which power, information, knowledge, purchasing power, and more was rapidly decentralizing, Kennedy was all for sitting at the top of a pyramid and directing activity. In this way, he was of his time and place, a post-war America that figured that all the kinks of everyday life had been mastered by a few experts in government, business, and culture. All you needed to do was have the right guys twirling the dials up and down. As thoughtful observers of all political stripes have noted, this sort of thinking was at best delusional, at worst destructive. And it was always massively expensive.”
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“The idea that Edward M. Kennedy could be a viable national politician – let alone a much-admired and lionized political figure – has convinced millions of everyday citizens and succeeding generations of conservative activists that among the elites of academia, politics, and the media two standards of behavior exist: One for liberal Democrats and another for conservative Republicans. Along with sweeping changes in immigration law, soaring oratory, and strengthening the nation’s social safety net, this reservoir of class resentment is also part of Kennedy’s legacy…
It is an article of faith among conservatives that if a Republican senator had launched an attack this personal and vitriolic – not to mention wildly exaggerated – against a nominee named by a Democratic president that liberals would have gone ape and that the ladies and gentlemen of the Fourth Estate would have made the intemperate conduct of the Republican senator the main issue. The point is that Ted Kennedy surely earned the accolades he is receiving today. He also earned the disapproval he is receiving among Americans who saw him only from a distance, who judged him by his words and deeds, and found him wanting.”
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“Fifty years in office – or 47 plus, I think it was – but in any case, longer than the longest-serving tyrant-for-life in the worst third world dirt puddle you can think of. Whose fault is that? Ours, of course. We the people allowed the courts to give his homicide a pass – he got a two month suspended sentence for leaving the scene of an accident. We voted him back into office again and again, knowing what he was. Blame Massachusetts alone if you want to, but we, all of us, have failed to demand the term limits and the end to gerrymandering that would keep our representatives from devolving into entrenched toadies of special interests and unscrupulous slaves of their own ideologies. We have failed to demand the reforms that would keep our republic vital and true to its ideals. We get the leaders we deserve and God help us.”
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“In his own right, Ted Kennedy was a legend, too – but for all the wrong reasons.”
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That is highly correlated.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 2:37 AM
I was always taught never to speak ill of the dead!…so ill hold my tongue!…thank you mom and dad!
Bluestate_Blues on August 27, 2009 at 2:38 AM
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I said earlier I have never before heard the term “Sola Scriptura”.
As for thinking…I think molecules are made of electrons, neutrons, and positrons as per scientific theory. I also think/believe quarks exist.
By the same token, I think that what the Bible says is true: you will know a tree (person) by its fruits. Jesus didn’t leave us to the winds. He gave a guide.
I go by the guide He set.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 2:40 AM
The killer of Chappaquiddick is in God’s hands now, and may he have mercy. For I need mercy as well.
Slowburn on August 27, 2009 at 2:40 AM
Not quite. It reads:
“Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book, but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.” (John 20:30-31)
John explicitly says that what is written is sufficient to give the faith that leads to eternal life. Anything extra would nice, but superfluous and unnecessary.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 2:41 AM
I sure hope Teddy bought a sturdy casket for all his Dem colleagues who will be using it for a soapbox the next few days/weeks.
Left Coast Right Mind on August 27, 2009 at 2:43 AM
TMK:
But what of this?
Here Paul tells his flock that they must hold to the traditions they have been taught, and by epistle, which is by letter.
The Bible didn’t even exist at that time. What guided the infant Church? Second, there are different versions of the Bible, and thousands of different interpretations of it, which cannot be agreed upon by all the Christian sects. How can it be the basis when there is no unified agreement?
No, we go by Scripture, tradition, reason and the guidance of those who are part of the apostolic succession.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 2:44 AM
“Always speak good of the dead. He’s dead. Good”.
-Moms Mabley
1921 C DRUM on August 27, 2009 at 2:44 AM
Liberalism has been often described as a mental illness, involving a lot of cognitive dissonance. Far as I know, no one has done a genuine study on the mindset of a liberal, to learn why such people can change limits depending on a pair of given circumstances.
Like, us sending troops to Bosnia was good while invading a known terrorist stronghold in Iraq was bad.
Ideology seems to be the deciding factor, an adherence to ingrained beliefs and values.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 2:46 AM
The best explanation of liberals and hard lefties came from Upstairs Downstairs.
Mr. Bellamy explains to his wife that the hard left Communists are poor and angry, involved in class war.
The Fabians, however, who wanted to join the Commies, were “better bred, better educated, but lacking a sense of reality”.
Nothing ever changes.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 2:47 AM
Aguirre is the medieval version of Heart of Darkness.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 2:48 AM
This is the same argument Maximus Confessor uses, and I will answer it the same for you. Jesus taught by word, yet His disciples recorded it as epistles. Why do you assume that the traditions the disciples had been taught by word differ from those taught by epistle?
Furthermore, how do I know MaxCon is wrong and you are right? Perhaps his sect kept the oral traditions and yours changed them. How will I test you to see who is correct?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 2:50 AM
Liam:
“Sola Scriptura” is Latin for “Scripture only”. The Catholic Church teaches that it is a false doctrine, because all that can be known about God cannot be contained in a book, and that there is no Biblical basis for it.
Scripture does tell us that the early Christians relied on the tradition, epistles or letters by their apostolic fathers, and by God given reason.
This is my main problem with fundamentalists. I don’t hate them, and indeed, I defend them when I’m among bigoted leftists, but there is a blind spot in their theology which consists of a rejection of reason as necessary to experience the fullness of the faith. One cannot exist without the other.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 2:54 AM
TMK:
I am referring to this:
So he is saying that the entire world would not be able to contain all the books that could be written about him.
Again, you are reducing the faith to one book, albeit a divine one. It is much more than that.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 2:59 AM
When did I say that? We use tradition, Scripture, and reason.
Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
Where in the Bible is there anything about cloning? Do you think cloning is a sin? If so, where in Scripture does it say so?
I don’t know this Maxcon person, so I don’t know what you mean or what he talks about.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:03 AM
No, John is, as he himself states that it the recorded word is sufficient to give the faith that brings eternal life.
If John himself says what is written is sufficient for eternal life, what need is there for oral traditions?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:04 AM
TMK:
The Word John speaks of is Christ, not the Bible.
See? You guys are so literal.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:05 AM
Chappaquiddick says all we need to know about Teddy’s version of health care.
Saltysam on August 27, 2009 at 3:06 AM
And faith comes from God, not the Bible.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:06 AM
Scripture itself is very clear that it is NOT all there is about God. And the Bible is its own witness to the truth. It was written over a period of 2500 years and by about 60 writers, yet the theme is consistent.
I don’t reject reason, for I try hard to use the Bible as a guide to direct my reason. I’ve been a student of the sciences all my life, and for the past 30 years I’ve learned a faith above dialectical materialism. Faith is the evidence of things not seen.
The Bible is not God’s final word. But it–His grace–is sufficient for we who are here right now. More is to come, more will be revealed.
From what is there, I can make discernments as Jesus showed. That’s all I have to go by, and that’s more than I have going as mere flesh and blood. All that is temporary.
I can call a spade a shovel without penalty, using the Bible as we know it for a guide. Will I have it perfect? Not always. But at least I–we–have a guide that is from the Self-existent One.
That’s all we need for now. And God knows best.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:06 AM
If there was more funding to cure Liberalism then more conservatives might give a thumbs up to ObamaCare.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:08 AM
None of you have been able to answer my questions about the conflicting interpretations and even versions of the Bible.
Nor have you been able to prove that the Bible says that one must be guided purely by Sola Scriptura.
Sola Scriptura is irrational.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:09 AM
None of your extra-biblical traditions or “reasonings” can be found in written Scripture, so by logic, they must be oral transmissions that differ fully from the recorded epistles.
The word “Trinity” is not Biblical. The word for The Father, Son, and Spirit in unison is “Theiotes” or “Godhead.”
Like most activities, they can be distilled to basic descriptors. Cloning at it’s basic is the destruction of innocent life. Destruction of innocent life is handled by Scripture, with no need for a bishop to interpret.
He’s Greek Orthodox, and he calls Roman Catholics “heretics.” How do I know his traditions and reasonings are wrong and yours are correct?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:12 AM
The epistles referenced by Paul were his letters written to the various Christian churches at that time, which are included in the New Testament.
The original Old Testament books were all written before the birth of Jesus and contain many fulfilled prophecies about His coming and His life. The historicity and dating of the Bible is well documented by ancient and current scholars and practitioners of Christian apologetics, including G.K. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, Josh McDowell, Ravi Zacharias, Lee Strobel, and Dinesh D’Souza.
Terrie on August 27, 2009 at 3:13 AM
No funding needed. People are responsible for their own beliefs and actions. If they need help, let them pay for it.
But, liberals think conservatives are crazy–like most insane people think they’re fine and the rest of the world is nuts.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:13 AM
It’s a matter of faith. You either believe the Bible is true in its entirty, as the inspired word of God given to Man, or you don’t.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:15 AM
And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Are you serious? Can you really not see where John has said that the deeds of Christ recorded in his epistle are sufficent to bring eternal life?
Astounding.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:15 AM
There’s something really sweet about you.
(No, I’m not trying to hit on you)
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:17 AM
TMK:
I want to get back to your quote from Thessalonians, where he says scripture is “profitable”. “Profitable” does not equal “sufficient”.
Next, the books of the New Testament did not even exist when Paul wrote this letter, hence he was referring to the Old Testament. Therefore, if you want to use that verse, you must only rely on the Old Testament for your faith, as that is the “scripture” Paul was referring to.
Therefore, that verse does not hold water as proof of the existence of Sola Scriptura as biblically founded.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:20 AM
Well I am a Catholic and very naive about the various factions within Christianity. I was so stupid I once thought all Christians saw things the same way. It never occurred to me that there could possibly be differences of opinion since we were all on the same side. Boy was I wrong.
Anyway I see things more the Atheling way. Probably cause I was taught the Catholic way in that the Bible was thematic and to be more loosely interpreted. The idea was to figure out the meaning and try to get closer to God. There was beauty in the ambiguity.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:21 AM
Yes, astounding, for the verse you quoted does not even support your statement.
The “deeds of Christ recorded in his epistle” are “sufficient to bring eternal life”???
No. Christ’s body in the Eucharist, instituted in the Last Supper, where he commanded us to “do this in memory of me” is what brings eternal life.
Again, you are woefully deficient in your theology.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:23 AM
Have you read his book.? “What’s so great about Christianity”. Fantastic Book.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:24 AM
1) You deftly ignored “thoroughly equips a man for every good work,” meaning there is no good work not found in Sola Scriptura.
2) The books of the New Testament did exist, since the very epistle you quote was Scripture at the time Timothy was reading it, as well as any other epistles he may have owned.
3) Furthermore, Paul states that “All Scripture” thoroughly equips a man. Since I have access to all Scripture, I am assured that I have everything I need to be thoroughly equiped.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:25 AM
In the Bible, God says He alone will preserve His Word. By faith, we accept what is there is canon. And it has existed unchanged for 2000 years. That’s why the Quamran (Dead Sea) Scrolls are so important. The complete Book of Isiah is among them, and it doesn’t vary from what we read today. And all those fragments match what we have assembled today as canon.
The Bible as we know it is reliable. There are 10,000 known Books and fragments that are all consistent one to another, while Shakespeare’s writings are 40% in doubt after only 400 years.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:25 AM
Thank you for your kind words.
Philippians 1:21 states, “For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.”
For me, a Christ follower living with advanced metastatic cancer, this Bible verse describes a win/win situation.
Terrie on August 27, 2009 at 3:26 AM
Well this is the thing, I cannot for the life of me understand the irrationality of it.
Secondly, fundamentalism is rooted in words, while Catholicism is rooted in sacraments. Christ never said to read Scripture to be saved. He said to live in HIM, and instituted the sacraments, starting with baptism, so that we may be able to live as part of the Body of Christ.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:27 AM
TMK:
Let’s drop it. You have no concept of the history, or the timeline of events when the books of the New Testament were written.
More irrationality.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:28 AM
Everything in the Bible, all the way through, points to Jesus as the only Savior. Accept Christ as Lord and you have everything on spot.
The Bible is also not for unbelievers, for the Holy Ghost is the One who makes the Bible clear to those who believe. When I open my Bible, I first ask God to reveal His Word. And He does, every time.
Faith is what Saves. The words on those pages are to teach, that we might be closer to God as He wants to be close to us.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:29 AM
Yes, as recorded in John 13, just as John said. Everything you need to have faith is in there, and it is enough.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:29 AM
Thanks to you all for a lively discussion. Good night and may you awaken in tomorrow’s light.
Terrie on August 27, 2009 at 3:30 AM
TMK, do you actually think about what you are saying? You claim that since the “epistle” existed, therfore the New Testament did. Um, an “epistle” is a letter, and is not the totality of the New Testament.
Lastly, who gave you the Bible? Who deemed what books consist of its canon?
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:31 AM
That’s what you Catholics always say when I shine the light around :(
Ah, well. Maximus Confessor will never admit he’s wrong either.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:32 AM
For me this is an eye opener. My knowledge of this topic is about zero and I went to Catholic School for 6 years, I spent most of it staring out the window.
I don’t want to criticize the other view. You guys sure know the bible, that’s for sure.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:32 AM
My win/win is Ps40:1: “I waited patiently for the Lord and He inclined to me and heard my cry.”
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:33 AM
Interesting that it’s “we Catholics” who are wrong, and never you.
That’s another thing I’ve noticed. Fundamentalists are inherently proud. After all, it was Liam who was the judge of whether Kennedy is in heaven or hell.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:33 AM
We shouldn’t fight, OK
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:34 AM
You yourself admitted that the Gospel was taught by word and letter. The New Testament existed in word and letter in it’s entirety then, and in letter now.
BTW, you still haven’t told me how I know the GOs are wrong and the RCs are right.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM
It’s not just the Bible. There is a catechism and the Magisterium. Another problem with Sola Scriptura. It makes every Tom, Dick and Harry an expert. Sorry, they usually aren’t.
Notice that all the nutjob sects had Protestant roots? Marshall Applewhite. David Koresh. Jim Jones…
The Church is pure in its doctrine and theology, and rejects all heresy, therefore we don’t have the radicals spring from us because we kick them out as heretics. ;)
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM
You can have everything, including eternal life. All you need is a little bit of faith. That’s it, nothing more.
Christianity is so elegant in its simplicity. Ask forgiveness believing in Jesus as Savior and that, when you ask, you WILL be saved and forgiven. That’s it.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM
The Greek Orthodox are in communion with the Roman Church. If Maxcon called the Roman Church “heretics”, then he is not truly a Greek Orthodox. LOL.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:38 AM
I’m not the one bandying words like “irrationality.” Furthermore, I’ve yet to hear a single rebuttle of any of my excellent points.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:40 AM
That wasn’t the question. Orthodox traditions differ from Roman ones. Who changed them?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:40 AM
Then you are not using reason. Your “excellent points” were falsely grounded. You do not have a grasp of the history and timeline of when the Bible came to existence. You are too literal in your interpretation.
Again, irrational.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:41 AM
I had a Christian friend try to convert me once and I was dumbfounded because I thought “Hey we are on the same side, why convert me? And convert me to what?” I could imagine what it could be.
That is how dumb I am on this topic. I never really knew there were other Christians. In fact I thought Christian meant Catholic. I wasn’t paying attention since I studied Science and Math.
So I have a lot to learn.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:41 AM
TMK:
What traditions are you speaking of? And I’m not talking about food and holiday decorations.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:42 AM
You yourself admitted that the Gospel was taught by word and letter. The New Testament existed in word and letter in it’s entirety then, and in letter now.
Rebuttle, or is all that too irrational?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:43 AM
Totally, that sounds like the stuff I have always been taught.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:43 AM
Get over the notion of being dumb, okay? That’s not the case.
Are you male or female?
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:44 AM
You are not dumb! You’re rational. You even understood the Socratic argument (though it was one I actually experienced from a nihilist, who made that statement, to which I shot back, “Is that an absolute?”).
One of the many things I am thankful for is the Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas. There he reconciles the rationalism of Greco-Roman thought with the faith of Christianity. His Five Proofs for the Existence of God is unsurpassed in its relentless logic.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:45 AM
We all always have to learn. It’s a lifelong thing. Faith is what saves, not works. Works are the fruits of Salvation and they come with time.
The best example is when the Centurian asked Jesus to heal a servant. Jesus was ready to go to that house but the Roman said he was unworthy for Jesus to come under his roof. The Roman knew, by faith, that if Jesus spoke healing that servant would be healed. And the servant was that very hour.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:47 AM
TMK, you are confusing things. Do you actually believe that the New Testament sprang into being at once? That all the books of the Gospel, the Acts, the letters and epistles, and the Book of Revelation suddenly appeared at the same time?
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:47 AM
Male. I am heavy into Science and my belief in a creator is based in part on that and in part on tacit knowledge and common sense about certain physical notions and governing laws.
So I have never been in doubt and never really took issue with the various versions of Religion. To me, they all seem the same.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:47 AM
As a student of the sciences, I can no longer separate God from the physical universe.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:49 AM
Well the big one is Popes. GOs don’t recognize any Papal authority, never have, they allow female clergy, still adhere to the the original Nicene creed, allow divorce for adultery, they don’t teach or believe immaculate conception, and so on.
Their traditions and reasonings are greatly different. So how do I know you are right and they are wrong?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:50 AM
And TMK, you still have not answered my questions.
Where did the Bible come from? And who decided what books were part of the sacred canon?
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:51 AM
Ask God to reveal the truth to you, and take time to listen. You already know inside yourself what is right and good, for your parents taught you. And have faith, even if only a little bit when it gets tough and never let go of that faith. That will sustain you. And when your faith is vindicated, you’ll have more of it for next time.
There will always be a next time. And you can win every time.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:52 AM
Where did you get all this information? Because it’s not Greek Orthodox, except the refusal to accept papal authority. And the Roman Church adheres to the Nicene Creed. Your information is faulty.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:52 AM
Love St. Thomas Aquinas. Got his books. You are right about his existence proofs. Even Godel had some and he was the greatest logician of all time. He was Einsteins best buddy.
Descartes and Leibniz tried also. I like Pascals view.
I have followed Plato and Aristotle and how at various times the philosophy found its way into religious teachings in the Roma Catholic versions. All my Science Heroes were Religious and mostly Platonist and Pythagorean like Kepler.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 3:53 AM
Everything Jesus did and taught that was necissary to spread the truth was recounted by the Apostles to witnesses. Everything that was sufficent to bring men to faith and keep them was being taught by word, as recorded in Acts. Why should I believe men who were so dilligent to speak the whole truth would then be lax when it came to sending that same truth by courier?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:53 AM
Augustine and Aquinas are the two giants for me.
I also love the cult of saints. It’s an outlet for weak human nature to have its “cult of personality” without going too far. :)
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:56 AM
Off to music. Peace to all, and my God’s angels be on guard to the glory of the Father.
Liam on August 27, 2009 at 3:57 AM
You’re all over the place.
Forget it.
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:57 AM
Looks like you have some reading to do: Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
But even if the rejection of the Pope is their only schism, why shouldn’t I reject the Pope like they do?
PS: I said original Nicene. The first was at the First Council of Nicaea (AD325), and a revision was at the First Council of Constantinople (AD381). You use the revision.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 3:59 AM
Thanks. To me everything is kind of mystical, like a huge riddle for us to figure out.
Most of the great Scientists made great discoveries because they had a religious believe system which drove them and fueled their passion to understand his works.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:00 AM
To all you so-called Christians out there :Look beyond the written word and look at what the concept of faith is.You are the reason so many people have turned away from the Christian doctrine.The written word is meaningless,faith is the answer,and there is no way to define it,or find it in any book.
Why do the young oppose the religion of their fathers?Because so many of their fathers don’t know the difference between Faith and Relgion.
DDT on August 27, 2009 at 4:02 AM
Right, that all seems so natural to me that I can’t think otherwise. Philosophy and religion are entwined in the mind and it is trippy to see the same patterns in both.
I have studied Kepler very closely. I have pretty everything he has every written. His Religion is mingled with Science and Philosophy and even something as Pagan as Pythagorean thinking seems Natural to me that I have no conflict with it at all.
I like the different Saints too, don’t know them that well.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:04 AM
Right.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:05 AM
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Going to go with Paul on this one DDT, no offence.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 4:06 AM
atheling on August 27, 2009 at 3:56 AM
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:07 AM
I forgot to mention that Kepler was a protestant but I could not detect any of what he wrote that bothered me. Again I was all the same to me, as if he was a Catholic. He kind of spun his own stuff and it is beautiful, a super genius he was.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:09 AM
Saw this on a business web site:
While the multi-millionaire Kennedy stood firmly in favor of raising taxes on high earners across the United States, he showed a pronounced reluctance to pay taxes on his own wealth. For many years, Merchandise Mart, the Chicago-based real estate conglomerate that Joseph Kennedy established in 1935, was the most valuable asset belonging to Ted Kennedy and his family. In 1974 Joseph Kennedy divided Merchandise Mart’s ownership among numerous family members, including Ted, in the form of a trust that was domiciled in the Pacific island of Fiji. Because the trust was based in Fiji, it was not subject to the taxes normally imposed on trusts domiciled in the United States.
As of 2005, the tax rate on U.S.-based trusts was 49 percent on everything above the first $2 million. But as of 2005, the Kennedys, who had transferred at least $300 million in trust funds from one generation to another, had paid a mere $132,000 in estate taxes — a rate of four one-hundredths of one percent. Had they set up those trusts in the United states, they would have owed more than 7,000 times that amount in taxes.
Ted Kennedy also received additional money — free of inheritance taxes — from a series of trusts that were established for him in 1926, 1936, 1978, 1987, and 1997.
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:13 AM
Every time :(
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 4:15 AM
So typical.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:15 AM
I was watching live news coverage when the divers were at the scene. I will never forget the diver, still in wet suit, and the disgust in his voice, as he said there was an air pocket in the car (where May Jo’s head was positioned) with enough air for her to have lived several hours under the cold black waters of Chappaquiddick.
I heard that interview live and never heard it repeated.
Rush said what I have been thinking
For those celebrities who have submitted themselves to waterboarding, I suggest they take Mary Jo Kopechne challenge. We will retire to a motel for a good rest and check tomorrow to see if they are still breathing
If waterboarding is bad, if the ‘N’ word is an outrage, if leaving your state in the lurch to chase a mistress to Argentina or whatever is a disgrace, why is Chappaquiddick off the table?
I had started watching FOX again. Beck had a great special with my favorite analyst, Pat Caddell. But the Kennedy stuff has driven me off once more. The worst of it is the press will have to create another Kennedy now they have lost their greatest imaginary creation
entagor on August 27, 2009 at 4:17 AM
How old is that story?
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 4:17 AM
I have St. Augustine’s Confessions. To me its philosophy and epistemology.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:18 AM
Do As I Say….
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:19 AM
I think that it is a few years old. There was a link with it but it was “broken”. Found another similar link with a lot of other hypocrites along with Kennedy that I posted just above.
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:21 AM
Divine right of Kings.
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:23 AM
This one is from 2006, if it is the same quote.
Good find. I can’t wait for that mean-spirited Rush to read Dead-Ted’s traitor letter on the air. I don’t usually listen to him, but that should be a real barn-burner.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 4:26 AM
Rush closed the show with a promise to read that letter.
Maybe Allah can give us a thread.
Geochelone on August 27, 2009 at 4:28 AM
Here’s Rush & others on the Beck “New Republic series Sarah Palin recommended.
msmveritas on August 27, 2009 at 4:29 AM
That ones has .004% tax rate, instead of .04% tax rate that the other one had, which was probably a “spin off”, if I am not getting blurry eyed, which makes more sense to get the 7,000 times that the one had. 7,000 times at .04% would have been more than the taxable amount, but .0004% would come out reasonable.
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM
He better!
I’m off bed now. Have a pleasant dawn, you racist Nazi browncoats.
TMK on August 27, 2009 at 4:32 AM
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:33 AM
Same to ya, you Storm Trooper bastard!
MB4 on August 27, 2009 at 4:34 AM
TMK: I really didn’t mean to get involved in a theological discussion,but I think you made my point better than I did.Quoting Paul or any one else demonstates what my point is.
When one has to rely on the faith of others,one does not rely on his own faith.
Faith is not learned from the words of other people,it emanates from the heart of the faithful.
Paul certainly was the most faithful follower of Jesus,but that faith came through his own experience,not from the Book.
Please do not take offence at what I say.None is intended.
I accept that your faith is genuine,and not brought about by the preaching of others.May your God bless you for your faith.
DDT on August 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM
He’s finally gone. That’s all I care about…
Fuzzlenutter on August 27, 2009 at 5:43 AM
Andrew Breitbart speaks for me on this matter:
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=5641
Lockstein13 on August 27, 2009 at 6:45 AM
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