Hospital bed shortage shuts 4,000 pregnant British women out of maternity wards

posted at 6:00 pm on August 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

A minor glitch related to rationing and waste and poor centralized planning in their universal health care system. Whatever. I’m sure it’ll be fine, ladies.

Do it for Teddy.

Tory health spokesman Andrew Lansley, who obtained the figures, said Labour had cut maternity beds by 2,340, or 22 per cent, since 1997. At the same time birth rates have been rising sharply – up 20 per cent in some areas…

‘It shows the incredible waste that has taken place that mothers are getting this sort of sub-standard treatment despite Gordon Brown’s tripling of spending on the NHS.

‘Labour have let down mothers by cutting the number of maternity beds and by shutting down maternity units.’…

The NHS employs the equivalent of around 25,000 full-time midwives in England, but the Government has promised to recruit 3,400 more.

However, the Royal College of Midwives estimates at least 5,000 more are needed to provide the quality of service pledged in the Government’s blueprint for maternity services, Maternity Matters.

At the same time almost half of all midwives are set to retire in the next decade.

Follow the link for a list of colorful places British mothers have found themselves in when the moment of truth arrived. The elevator has a certain romance about it, I’ll concede. Meanwhile, via Greg Hengler, a new clip from the media man of the hour on the state of our own glorious national health-care experiment. I have to say, he makes sense here: There’s going to come a point where the Democrats have invested so much political capital in this debacle that they have no choice but to plow ahead and pass something. I think we’ve already reached it; Russ Feingold evidently doesn’t. What do the Dems gain now, though, by dropping ObamaCare and moving on to the next statist dreamquest, be it cap-and-trade or amnesty or whatever? Unless they’re planning a radical change of strategy aimed at halting spending and performing triage on the deficit, they might as well go for broke. They’re going to suffer politically either way; why not at least get something for it?

Note his choice of pronoun near the end of the clip, incidentally.


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No, it can’t happen here. It’s not like we have more people or anything.

Rational Thought on August 26, 2009 at 6:03 PM

NHS is great!

Everyone’s happy.

blatantblue on August 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Note his choice of pronoun near the end of the clip, incidentally.

No kidding. At least the main stream media isn’t taking sides or anything. /sarc

Scrappy on August 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Don’t they have baby panels in GB?

jbh45 on August 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM

We need a health care system as good as Britain’s now!

We must close the maternity bed shortage gap!

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM

They’re going to suffer politically either way; why not at least get something for it?

lol. Catch 22 you name is Obama. At this point, it all depends on how masochistic the leftists feel. If they force something through, its war, it’ll be ugly, polarizing, will derail Obama for good, and they’ll lose their seats. If they don’t pass anything, they’ll derail Obama and lose their seats. Sounds good to me.

elduende on August 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Having babies in elevators, I hear on radio reports. Elevators and hallways.

petefrt on August 26, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I’m sure the abortion clinics will accept these women with open arms and no lines….

portlandon on August 26, 2009 at 6:08 PM

GOOD GRIEF.

Which story to cover for the Bootlick Media?

Approaching calamity for NYC “in the cone” of possible Atlantic Storm (Armageddon it will be portrayed as)?

Lion of the Senate (with Liberty as his prey) dies.

Funeral “event” that pushes every liberal cause he ever believed in (abortion up to the first breath) (deathcare for everyone in America that doesn’t have the Congressional Platinum plan), etc.

Cover Martha’s Vineyard vacation of the new brother of the Kennedy’s (thank you for another nugget Christ Matthews)?

Quite the quandry…..

My advice to the bootlickers (Tapper/Garrett/Helen Thomas/Brooks/Frum/Parker/Noonan/Krauthammer/etc.)?

Find and ask one of the 45 million aborted babies how it feels to have one of their best “friends” in the Senate out of the way.

Oh, wait you can’t.

Plan B….Bootlickers (trash Conservatives).

PappyD61 on August 26, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Women giving birth in toilets, people having appendix surgery twice after doctors miss it the first time.

And aside from much higher taxes, it’s free!

Sounds soooo much better than our system /sarc

Norwegian on August 26, 2009 at 6:09 PM

“scuse me, sir, could you punch the UP button for me? I’m busy having a baby now.

petefrt on August 26, 2009 at 6:09 PM

If these women loved their country properly they would’ve aborted instead of spewing babies onto the sidewalk, which is for EVERYONE, not just them – selfish horrid women/////

Ris4victory on August 26, 2009 at 6:10 PM

lol. Catch 22 you name is Obama. At this point, it all depends on how masochistic the leftists feel. If they force something through, its war, it’ll be ugly, polarizing, will derail Obama for good, and they’ll lose their seats. If they don’t pass anything, they’ll derail Obama and lose their seats. Sounds good to me.

elduende on August 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I don’t agree. The hysterical leftists who regularly vote will come out and vote — for the democrat. Every time. No matter what he or she does. Leftists do not cross party lines. Sadly, that’s a Republican thing. These dems are far better off letting health care go than ramming it through. Their base will vote for them anyway, but if they ram it through their opposition will have all of the momentum.

Rational Thought on August 26, 2009 at 6:11 PM

yeah, Obama is OK with it. He doesn’t want any of them punished with a baby anyway.

ThackerAgency on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Maybe we can open up a little hospital at the Kennedy Compound? Surely it will hold at least a dozen beds.

myrenovations on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

All part of the plan my friends. Turn the US into a third world cesspool. Hey everyone gets free healthcare in CUBA and NORTH KOREA too.

Kuffar on August 26, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

How many women have this happen to them each year in the US?

myrenovations on August 26, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Having kids in alley, but the abortions will be in a hospital…just a minor reversal in priorities…

right2bright on August 26, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Also, cannot poor women get on Medicaid once they become pregnant?

myrenovations on August 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Women giving birth in toilets, people having appendix surgery twice after doctors miss it the first time.

Norwegian on August 26, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Why can’t we achieve better results than these?

American women should be able to give birth in dumpsters. And every Americans should have the right to at least three appendectomies. This is America!

Pass ObamaCare now!

Loxodonta on August 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

IMHO, conservatives (at least the fiscally conservative ones) should shun all of the following “freebies” :

(1) Medicare & Medicaid

(2) Prescription drug coverage

(3) VA

(4) social security

That would be present a clear philosophical demarcation from their fiscally irresponsible brethren. There cannot be any middle of the road position, you are either fiscally conservative or you are not. The Republicans in Congress would not commit to it because it is easy to gain votes by paying lip service to the above four government provided services, but that’s not fiscal conservatism, and should be pointed out by the grassroots in no uncertain terms.

peter_griffin on August 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM

For a second there I thought Chris the’Tingle’
was talking about Afghanistan,as in Victory!(Sarc)

And,boy has the wind gone out of Chris’s sails,he
looks depressed,er shell-shocked,no wait,I’ve got
it,

it really looks like the KOOL-AID has worn off,and
he’s in a hang-over condition!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

There’s a difference between providing care for just poor women and providing care for all women, poor to rich.

A single-payer system provides care at taxpayer expense to people who can afford it on their own.

Also, pregnancies rarely happen by accident. There’s something called personal responsibility. If you can’t afford them, don’t have kids.

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Rational Thought on August 26, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Hey RT, Don’t you think they’ll pay a price in enthusiasm at the polls if, after having the White House and supermajorities in both chambers of congress they fail to pass this socialist holy grail.

They’re so close they can taste it, if it fails, the morale on the left is going to collapse. I think they’ll stay home.

elduende on August 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Did Chris ‘the tingle’ actually say SOCIALISM,

I`m stunned!!

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I’m disgusted.

1921 C DRUM on August 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Women without insurance here go through Free Clinics. I have know many and the biggest difference I saw in their care and mine was that they saw different doctors and were on a ward instead of a semi-private room. Usually women who have their children at home in the U.S. have made the choice or things moved more quickly then expected.

Cindy Munford on August 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Having kids in alley, but the abortions will be in a hospital…just a minor reversal in priorities…
right2bright on August 26, 2009 at 6:14 PM

LOL. Actually, Robert Bork wanted to force women to have back-alley births. What will Ted kennedy say about this? Oh, I forgot. He’s dead.

joejm65 on August 26, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Before coming up with a question like that…give us your best estimate of how many women this past year have fallen into that category…a dozen? Two dozen?
More women give birth at home because they choose to, about 1/2 of 1% of all babies or 21,500.

right2bright on August 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM

“A minor glitch related to rationing and waste and poor centralized planning in their universal health care system.”

Even the Death Panels in Britain suck.

Dusty on August 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM

The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilet
===========================================================

So is this the the type of change,Obama wants to bring to
America,er his HealthCare Utopian plans that is!!!!!

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Did Chris ‘the tingle’ actually say SOCIALISM,

I`m stunned!!

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM

He also said “Anyone who thinks there’s victory in defeat, they’re crazy so WE have to find some way to find victory”.

I guess he’s admitting to being part of the team.

tru2tx on August 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

That’s just silly. Poor women qualify for Medicaid, and poor pregnant woman qualify for a plethora of government-subsidized pre-natal and post-natal care. The point is that if the care isn’t to their liking — i.e., waiting all day in a low-income clinic; spending a few days in a maternity ward rather than a “birthing room”; and queuing up in a long line for free immunizations (which virtually every state provides) — they can climb their way out of poverty and enjoy nicer health care options than those which the government offers. Free sucks. Everyone knows that.

Rational Thought on August 26, 2009 at 6:27 PM

To add to AP’s devil’s advocacy, will this also not be a reflection of the difference in the standard of living between US and UK? We are (still) a superpower and much more blessed with resources than UK, so the other side can argue that our public insurance system will be better than the British just because of that…

peter_griffin on August 26, 2009 at 6:27 PM

“This is our youngest. His name is Mohammed al Elevator.”

“Adorable!”

Ted Torgerson on August 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM

i think pissy chrissy lost that luv’in tingle it’s gone gone gone…..

SHARPTOOTH on August 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM

“This is our youngest. His name is Mohammed al Elevator.”

“Adorable!”

Ted Torgerson on August 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM

“We’re going to call him ‘Lift’ for short.”

Rational Thought on August 26, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Those babies need to be born at home. I mean, we don’t want women folks to have those baby vultures near their vay-jay-jays. They might take the baby out and make sure it’s healthy and junk….

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Newsflash, darling: It ain’t free. Unless you can find doctors and nurses to work for free, health care will never be free.

and as an old NICU nurse, I can say that the only morons who have their babies at home are the women who think they’re being more natural by having their little munchkin in a bathtub. Of course, occasionally said little munchkin ends up with permanenet brain damage because of the lack of resuscitation equipment at home. But that’s just splitting hairs…..

mjk on August 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Obama has a short answer: RU486.

Pre-birth panels.

profitsbeard on August 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM

He didn’t include me in the “we”…

d1carter on August 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

I had it. It was called medicaid. I used the same OBGyn for both pregnancies, one with medicaid and one with excellent insurance after I got married. It was extremely good care both times. I will add that non citizens abuse this all-the-time. I have seen it personally and from other doctors I am friends with. They have multiple children on it.

Everything was free. EVERYTHING.

Mommypundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Note his choice of pronoun near the end of the clip, incidentally.

“…we have to find some way to find victory…”

It’s not like it’s a secret anymore anyway.

AUINSC on August 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Obama has a short answer: RU486.

Pre-birth panels.

profitsbeard on August 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM

profitsbeard: Life would be a lot simpler,if they made
a pill for Liberals,ahem,jus sayin!:)

Call it LU666!!

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:43 PM

i think pissy chrissy lost that luv’in tingle it’s gone gone gone…..

SHARPTOOTH on August 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM

SHARPTOOTH: MOJO!?hehe:)

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM

I was born in a toilet so they named me John. /

Geochelone on August 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Mommypundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM

By non-citizens, do you mean legal aliens or illegals? It does make a difference, you know, since the former pay taxes while the latter don’t :)

peter_griffin on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I know that it wasn’t “free.” But, in a crisis, I think some emergency care is good and right for our citizens. I was certainly in a crisis. But, no illegal aliens should be allowed. Period. And there definitely needs to be more of a cut off. It is often abused.

Mommypundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM

By non-citizens, do you mean legal aliens or illegals? It does make a difference, you know, since the former pay taxes while the latter don’t :)

peter_griffin on August 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM

oops. I’m sorry about that. That’s what I meant.

Yes, massive abuse by illegal aliens. Thanks for clarifying.

Mommypundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

What the article doesn’t mention is that midwives have been substituted for obstetricians. So, before national health care pregnant women saw highly trained obstetricians. But to government, pregnant women are costs, so the obstetricians were replaced by midwives to save money. Now women can’t even see a midwife.

Perhaps coincidentally, the London Times reported that the number of maternity deaths has risen.

secant on August 26, 2009 at 6:49 PM

“WE who, Chris Tingle?”

hoosiermama on August 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Do it for Teddy.

That is the spirit!

rob verdi on August 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Devil’s advocate: What about the poor women without insurance who give birth at home right now?

And if the answer to that is, “Well, they can go to the hospital and get free care,” why not just give ‘em free health insurance anyway?

Allahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM

There are a lot of women who use midwives and do home births in the US because they believe it provides a better birthing experience than hospitals. Not all is about insurance problems.

chemman on August 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Women on the sidewalk having their babies! Do it for Teddy!

Jeff from WI on August 26, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Did Chris ‘the tingle’ actually say SOCIALISM,

I`m stunned!!

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM
He also said “Anyone who thinks there’s victory in defeat, they’re crazy so WE have to find some way to find victory”.

I guess he’s admitting to being part of the team.

tru2tx on August 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

tru2tx: Its really amazing,the things Chris says!!

Part of the Propaganda Team,

and where was this ‘Victory Mentality’ in
the last eight years,oh I forgot,they were
not in charge!:)

canopfor on August 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM

“WE who, Chris Tingle?”

hoosiermama on August 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM

I don’t think “we” was the pronoun AP was trying to draw attention toward.

Can we have it on record that the press has finally been honest about the Dems “tried to create socialism” – in so many words?

“YES! WE! CAN!”

Blacksmith on August 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM

At least conservatives haven’t had to resort to fearmongering.

e-pirate on August 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM

My friend’s girlfriend had a kidney stone . . . after all was said and done. It was cheaper to get everything taken care of WITHOUT health insurance (because of deductibles) than it was to pay for it WITH health insurance. Now factor in paying for health insurance over the year on top of that.

- The Cat

MirCat on August 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM

P.S. My sister and brother in law (just nothing that a father was involved, sad that you find the need to do that nowadays) have had 3 kids without health insurance. Hospitals will negotiate.

P.P.S. There was negotiating involved, letters written, etc etc with my friend’s girlfriend’s stone issue

MirCat on August 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM

NHS has also had to import thousands of foreign doctors to make up for that shortage. I’m sure the Brits can understand their doctors instructions and pronounce these new names. huh?

Kissmygrits on August 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM

While the US is richer we have the same problem as the UK: bureaucrats.

They are an invariant constant and government bureaucrats have more overhead on them than do private sector ones or charity ones: governments love to add in all the extra overhead to really, truly, ensure your money is accounted for and layer on a couple of extra layers of bureaucracy to help. Thus, the best way to help the poor is not via government, which can typically waste up to 1/3 of the money on low efficiency and overhead, but with private sector or charity donations, which see 20% and 15% or less, respectively, in the way of overhead and waste.

Adding bureaucrats, especially government ones, to ANY system makes it worse, not better.

YOU can keep track of your money better than any government ever can, and YOU can hold your spending and charitable giving directly accountable. When YOU give the government middleman is eliminated.

If you want an efficient system you want as little of government as possible and as much citizen activity as possible. Remember that all the ‘reforms’ of the last 60 years have not ‘fixed’ the system save to rig it so it is very difficult to get out of it. As doctors see lessened overhead by refusing public funds, they will realize greater earnings, lower overhead and see more patients. We should encourage that and individuals giving to institutions so that more of the poor are covered in the best way possible.

What we have is the slacker system where we want other people to do OUR work of creating society. That gets you tyranny every time it is done. And forcing people to ‘give’ via taxation is the worst possible thing you can do as it discourages donation and robs individuals of the ability TO donate to help the poor.

ajacksonian on August 26, 2009 at 7:23 PM

A minor glitch… Whatever… I’m sure it’ll be fine, ladies.

That’s a pretty convincing impression of AnninCA, AP. With a tiny little bit of someone else, can’t put my finger on it. The guy who thinks “I don’t care!” is an argument. It’ll come to me.

DrSteve on August 26, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I don’t care what the pronoun is,I will not listen to 58 secs. of “leg tingle”.
Sounds like a good arguement For Obama’s “population control” health care system.
“Well Mrs. Jones,I see we have no room in maternity,but I could provide you with a real quick abortion.”

DDT on August 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Women having babies in elevators. Gotta love nationalized health care. It’s ompassionate.

petefrt on August 26, 2009 at 8:00 PM

If soiled linen closets are good enough to kill babies in, I guess they’ll have to do for a birthing room.

Mojave Mark on August 26, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Pregnant Linda Corbett, 33, was turned away from one hospital and gave birth in a car as she dashed to another.

This is what it will come to people.
Can you imagine any hospital in the US actually TURNING AWAY a woman in labor and making them go someplace else? Incredible.

In this country, even illegal aliens don’t get turned away at hospitals for things as minor as a sore throat.

AZ_Mike on August 26, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Also hoping we can emulate the United Kingdom’s state dental plan.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 26, 2009 at 8:40 PM

The midwife thing got to me. Do they not use doctors at all for childbirth over there? What if there were complications? I know some people here choose to use a midwife for personal reasons, but that’s not a very large number. I don’t understand how they can just have midwives for childbirth without a significant problem with complicatons.

mbs on August 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

mbs on August 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Some do, some don’t. Midwives have to be trained to deal with most pregnancy/childbirth related contingencies. My friends who have used a midwives prefered more a more natural approach to the whole experience (water, movement, home birth etc.) But, had their been a serious complication, they weren’t far from a hospital.

As for me, I am darn thankful for the advent of the epidural. It’s the closest thing I’ve ever gotten to opiate-love as it was the best relief I’d ever experienced in relation to the worst pain I’d ever felt. So, yeah. I was euphoric. I recommend them to everyone. For kicks. ;o)

Mommypundit on August 27, 2009 at 7:37 AM

preferred.

Mommypundit on August 27, 2009 at 7:38 AM

I don’t understand why there isn’t more effort to define what Socialism means in real life terms. The best description I ever heard is, “Everyone has the right to be equally poor.” Or in this case, “Everyone has the right to the same shitty healthcare.”

When the animating force is a drive toward equality instead of striving for excellence the masses suffer. That’s just reality.

miles on August 27, 2009 at 8:18 AM

At least conservatives haven’t had to resort to fearmongering.

e-pirate on August 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Yeah, because discussing facts is fear mongering when you are a leftist.

Every election, the left claims if republicans win, jim crow will be reeancted, old people will have their social security taken away, and poor people will be dying in the streets. But it is the right that fear-mongers.

That’s rich.

Monkeytoe on August 27, 2009 at 9:25 AM

“This is our youngest. His name is Mohammed al Elevator.”

“Adorable!”

Ted Torgerson on August 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM
“We’re going to call him ‘Lift’ for short.”

Rational Thought on August 26, 2009

This will make life difficult for astrologers. They will need to know if the elevator was ascending, descending or stationary.
Hi, I’m a Leo. What’s your sign? Otis.

SKYFOX on August 27, 2009 at 9:46 AM

There will be no bed shortage here for newborns. The liberals will make sure that none of these burdens will make it to full term.

rukiddingme on August 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I am a midwife in the U.K. The problems we are having is mainly due to immigration.

These are non-compliant ,have little if any ante-natal care,
obviously not tax payers, Then they turn up at the last minute ,demanding epidural’s.

Oh they complain as well- A charming couple from afghanistan while wiping her hands on my uniform then complained about the air conditioning.(they live in caves)

Also they don’t speak english(or say they don’t) Getting interpreters in costs a %100 an hour.

I choose to communicate through the median of mime and dance.

Some speak a language i have never heard of. That well known African dialect called Yew.
We couldn’t find anyone who spoke that language.We even tried DR. Doolittle.

We can critise the N.H.S but no one else can or we will send you all to the tower.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205953/NHS-branded-evil-Orwellian-high-level-US-politicians.html

We moan and whine about the N.H.S like we do the weather.
We are shareholders. Because we are using tax-payers money we are scrutinized more and open with stat’s.

Even those who complain about the system say they want it improved, not dismantled.

The N.H.S is not about entitlements and the right to health

Policy reflects society, even Thatcher didn’t dare abolish it.

We have a fundamental belief that if possible health shouldn’t be based on ability to pay.

All walks of life feel that way,we can’t all be stupid,it’s widely supported here

.It’s about our ideology not the scroungers.
Americans speak of liberty etc ,rightly proud of that identity.

We try to make it more equal with health,again because we don’t want health based on money.

We don’t care what health system you have.I am not comparing

I don’t understand how they can just have midwives for childbirth without a significant problem with complicatons.

mbs on August 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Because i am brillant. Midwifery is the practice of normal
pregnancy,we work with doctors not for them.

mags on August 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Delays In UK Child Brain Tumor Diagnosis
ScienceDaily (Aug. 7, 2009) — Significant numbers of children in the UK are suffering from preventable levels of disability, particularly blindness, and premature death because of poor diagnosis of brain tumours.

A new study by scientists at The University of Nottingham’s Children’s Brain Tumour Research Centre, funded by the Samantha Dickson Brain Tumour Trust, shows that prolonged and slow diagnosis can make long term survivors of childhood brain tumours up to 10 times more likely to suffer disability. 450 children in the UK are diagnosed with a brain tumour every year. The average time between the onset of symptoms and diagnosis in children in the UK is between two and three months, that’s up to three times longer than the rest of Europe and the USA.

tkmcp on August 27, 2009 at 2:24 PM