Coming up: circumcision campaigns

posted at 4:55 pm on August 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The advocates of ObamaCare insist that medical decisions will remain between doctors and patients and not involve mandates from government.  However, the same people also cheer the idea of government “coaching” doctors to adopt practices, and to back up those choices with pressure from payment schedules, which will result in de facto diktats, especially when it evolves into a single-payer system.  If they succeed, expect to see a campaign to push new parents into circumcising their male children in the name of AIDS prevention — even though the risks are manageable and the effect less than certain:

Public health officials are considering promoting routine circumcision for all baby boys born in the United States to reduce the spread of H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS.

The topic is a delicate one that has already generated controversy, even though a formal draft of the proposed recommendations, due out from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by the end of the year, has yet to be released.

Experts are also considering whether the surgery should be offered to adult heterosexual men whose sexual practices put them at high risk of infection. But they acknowledge that a circumcision drive in the United States would be unlikely to have a drastic impact: the procedure does not seem to protect those at greatest risk here, men who have sex with men. …

But Dr. Peter Kilmarx, chief of epidemiology for the division of H.I.V./AIDS prevention at the C.D.C., said that any step that could thwart the spread of H.I.V. must be given serious consideration.

“We have a significant H.I.V. epidemic in this country, and we really need to look carefully at any potential intervention that could be another tool in the toolbox we use to address the epidemic,” Dr. Kilmarx said. “What we’ve heard from our consultants is that there would be a benefit for infants from infant circumcision, and that the benefits outweigh the risks.”

Barack Obama has warned us of Tonsil Vultures and Foot Rustlers.  So far, he hasn’t issued a warning on Foreskin Fiends.  In 1999, approximately 65% of all males born in the US were circumcised, which represents around 1.3 million each year.  In contrast, surgeons perform only 600,000 tonsillectomies a year.

I’m neutral on the issue of circumcision, which has become a controversial practice, but find this idea of interventions very, very odd.  In the first place, circumcision does not provide an immunity to STDs, not AIDS or anything else.  Studies indicate that circumcised males may have less danger of acquiring an infection, but as the NYT points out, that’s from heterosexual relations — a very minor channel of AIDS communication in the US.  Men have much better choices than circumcision for avoiding HIV infection, including the use of condoms (still not a perfect defense, but better than circumcision), refraining from intravenous drug use with shared needles, avoiding high-risk sexual practices altogether, and so on.

Why should the CDC push circumcision at all?  The government has no business being in the middle of that decision.  Under ObamaCare, however, when the government starts paying more and more of the health-care tab, they will point to ambiguous cost savings down the road — in this and other cases, decades down the road — to pressure Americans into surrendering their choices now.

Update: Let me try to explain this in small words for people who like to give “awards” for hysteria but still demand to see Sarah Palin’s gynecological records.  If Obama says he’ll stop doctors from enriching themselves through unnecessary tonsillectomies and amputations, that is an explicit call for government control of health-care delivery and the interference of government between patients and doctors.  If the CDC — which is part of the same government that will control health care — decides that circumcision is beneficial and cost-efficient in the long term, that same mechanism would create pressure on doctors and patients to perform them.

You can’t have it both ways.  The government that has the power to stop Tonsil Vultures and Foot Rustlers also has the power to pressure for greater numbers of circumcisions.  The apparatus for that will be put in place, as Obama not only admits but brags.

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Blame it on the Jooooooos!!! :P

Orange Doorhinge on August 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Get some skin in the game.

ICBM on August 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM

I literally jumped when I saw that picture.

Cindy Munford on August 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Holy hell! What’s with that front page picture?!

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Ed – from the bottom of my heart: thank you for taking on this topic before AP could get to it!

FuriousAmerican on August 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM

“Barack Obama has warned us of Tonsil Vultures and Foot Rustlers. So far, he hasn’t issued a warning on Foreskin Fiends.”

Ed….

……… you owe me a new keyboard and monitor.

Seven Percent Solution on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

And once Osama Obama has taken away all the foreskins, guess what he’ll go after next….

MrScribbler on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

I would agree with doctors being encouraged to perform circumcision.

and yes, ed, there actually is tons of evidence that this brings down AIDS rates.

Vincenzo on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

At least they’ll be free. The doctors only take tips.

Vashta.Nerada on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Keep the tonsils, take the foreskin.

Vincenzo on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, Ed went nuts with the visuals on this one :-)

AUINSC on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

The doctor cut what? Ummm, well I sure don’t want it back now.

perroviejo on August 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Coming soon to a hospital near you shoddy medical care!

sonnyspats1 on August 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM

dumb.

homesickamerican on August 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM

I think this is as ex rated as Ed has ever gotten!

But alas… other then I believe in the “controversial practice” due to dirty little baby boys and poo that goes everywhere, I guess you really have no say so when you are older.

So is this one of those things you, as men, I blame the Government?

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Just imagine all the Environmentally Friendly uses for all those foreskins….

pseudonominus on August 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I, for one, am glad to know that a bunch of old guys in DC are pondering childrens’ privates all day.

lorien1973 on August 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I don’t have a dog in this hunt.

BobMbx on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

What other things does he and his authoritarian crew want full control over? What else could Obama possibly want? List, please.

Mommypundit on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

WEE WEE WEE ….

faraway on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Gird your wee-weeds.

farright on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

those choices with pressure from payment schedules, which will result in de facto diktats

No pun intended, eh?

pseudonominus on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I just got almost that same feeling I had sitting in my office the day the Bobbit story broke.

Dave R. on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Just imagine all the Environmentally Friendly uses for all those foreskins….

pseudonominus on August 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Just don’t let the dog get it. You’ll never get it back.

perroviejo on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

I, for one, am glad to know that a bunch of old guys in DC are pondering childrens’ privates all day.

lorien1973 on August 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Comforting, isn’t it?

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

“We have a significant H.I.V. epidemic in this country, and we really need to look carefully at any potential intervention that could be another tool in the toolbox we use to address the epidemic,” Dr. Kilmarx said.

I wondered if he considered outlawing sodomy.

RushBaby on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Based on the UK story where it took three tries to remove an appendix, I can’t see the benefit of letting government doctors aim their scalpels down there.

Vashta.Nerada on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

If this became official policy, we’d have to decapitate most of Congress.

trubble on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

“Stay away from our children”-David Heddrick the Marine.

portlandon on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

They are simply trying to get us ready for the GREATER pain that will follow.

My collie says:

Er..That would be the pain of trying to restore our freedoms and prosperity in the years to come — which will be FAR worse than circumcision. It’ll be more like perpetual twin kidney stones.

CyberCipher on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Leave my penis alone.

faraway on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Leave my weewee alone

faraway on August 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM

trubble on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

*rimshot*

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM

America has been hoodwinked.

ICBM on August 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM

CyberCipher on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Is collie nuetered?

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM

“Bailiff….whack!”

BobMbx on August 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM

This healthcare plan is so wee wee’d up.

CP on August 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Evidence based medicine

(now with 50% less evidence!)

cs89 on August 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

America(n) men has been hoodwinked.
**snip**
ICBM on August 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM

ftfy… ask a liberal man if he wants to be snipped.

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Come on guys, don’t get all wee-weed up on me.
::snip snip snip::

El_Terrible on August 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I’ll see your tonsils and amputated feet…

…and raise you a foreskin

catmman on August 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Come on guys, don’t get all wee-weed up on me.
::snip snip snip::

El_Terrible on August 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

mighty large scissors you have there.

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Yeah, sure Team Obama and fellow doctors, you can circumsize my kid, right after I sow Obama’s ears to his ass and right after I cut the string holding Waxman’s nose up in the air.

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM

mighty large scissors you have there.

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Nah, he’s just happy to see you.

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Will the South African 800 meter runner require circumcision?

clorensen on August 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Once the government is in charge of health care math, they can make the numbers tell any kind of story that they want to, regardless of truth.

redfoxbluestate on August 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Cash for Foreskin” anybody?

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

RushBaby on August 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM

I thought condoms were supposed to take care of this…

catmman on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Two five year old boys are standing at the potty to pee.

When one says, ” Your thing doesn’t have any skin on it!”

” I’ve been circumcised.” Says the second boy.

” What does that mean?”

“It means they cut the skin off the end.”

” How old were you when it was cut off?”

” My mom said that I was two days old.”

” Did it hurt?”

” You bet it hurt, I couldn’t walk for a year!”

faraway on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

The entire male population of the world just winced. At least they are not forcing it on the adults.

sonofdy on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Kind of changes the tune of the old “TIPS” hotline…what was that old joke about the Rabbi not charging, just working for tips.
BTW, Barney Frwank has a couple of tips for you…

right2bright on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Ed – from the bottom of my heart: thank you for taking on this topic before AP could get to it!

FuriousAmerican on August 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM


Preemption!

I, for one, am awaiting Allahpundit’s comment on this.

juanito on August 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM

faraway on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

LOL

sonofdy on August 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Molon Labe!

LevStrauss on August 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Will the South African 800 meter runner require circumcision?

clorensen on August 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

I hear Obama is already snipped.

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM

At least they are not forcing it on the adults.

YET (gulp)

sonofdy on August 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Nah, he’s just happy to see you.

amerpundit on August 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

dude, he stole my scissors. To bad I forgot to mention they weren’t sharpened.

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

They always go for the weenis! Why? Can’t they just leave it alone? For Pete’s effin’ sake! Hey Uncle Sam! Hands off my “Danger Zone”

ronsfi on August 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

The entire male population of the world just winced. At least they are not forcing it on the adults.

sonofdy on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

You’ll do what our dear leader tells you to do and thank him for it.

El_Terrible on August 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Any more ideas like this one, and not only am I going to be opposed to bigger government, I going to go whole hog and oppose all government. Well, maybe just a tiny little local government, but nothing bigger than that.

myrenovations on August 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

any potential intervention that could be another tool in the toolbox

Even if said tool has been dulled for safety.

kooly on August 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM

What if you’re talented enough to get the foreskin to your tonsils?

SouthernGent on August 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
If you like your insurance plan you can keep your insurance plan.
All your foreskins are belong to us.

jbinnout on August 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Would they charge Barney for a tonsillectomy, or a circumcision?

right2bright on August 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

I thought condoms were supposed to take care of this…

catmman on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

If only condoms could prevent radical/ridiculous ideas.

RushBaby on August 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

What if you’re talented enough to get the foreskin to your tonsils?

SouthernGent on August 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM

yuck

and

you scare me.

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

My son’s circumcision Dr just retired. At his retirement party his staff presented him with a wallet. He looked a bit disappointed until one of his co-workers told him that it was made from discarded foreskins and if you rubbed the wallet, it turned into a matched set of luggage.

Wade on August 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Chris M. just got another tingle up his leg…

right2bright on August 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Molon Labe!

LevStrauss on August 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Nominated for Comment of the Day

RushBaby on August 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

“Cash for Foreskin” anybody?

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

I just feel sorry for the poor chump soon to be christened the “Foreskin Czar”.

FuriousAmerican on August 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

When are we going to ban Gay people, since that’s basically the problem?

Sheoncebelieved on August 26, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Don’t tread on my pecker !!!

Oh, and thanks Ed for “Foreskin Fiends”, the new name for my fantasy football team.

Jerome Horwitz on August 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Nominated for Comment of the Day

RushBaby on August 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Rushbaby.. there is nothing of Lev’s to take.

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I think this is a call for male reproductive rights! “My body, my choice!!!” “Keep your hands off my junk!” “They have no right to tell me what to do with my body, especially Junior down there!”

Honk for turtlenecks!!!”

So many slogans….

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

If the Obama administration chooses to give cash incentives for people to participate they could call it shekels for schmeckles.

myrenovations on August 26, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Keep You Hands Off My Families Penis’s

Wade on August 26, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Still wondering if Obama Hellcare will make dirt pokers change their lifestyles or not pay for AIDS treatment and emergency anal foreign object removal.

jukin on August 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Why does Bawney Fwank come to mind?

Cybergeezer on August 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM

This is where east meets west on this issue. Here’s the good news. We’ve been innundated for the past 25 years with the latest medical news, which is then reversed by the next latest medical news.

In my own lifetimes? I was criticized for not going along with the notion that postponing menapause was healthy. I got on line, don’t we all, and read. I realized that I have as many factors suggesting that approach is bad as there were good. I opted for “sweat it out.”

Thankfully, I was with an HMO. My doctor didn’t disagree with me. He kept the option of medication open, but he really was great.

I got through it by going to the refrigerator and opening it up at times, to cool off.

I learned to love layered.

And then, voila, the next study came out that said that those TAKING the standard advice of medication were in danger.

Off we run to the next goalpost in medical care.

Face it.

Patients need to exercise some degree of personal responsibility. And frankly, that goes for this end of life stuff.

Good grief, why would anyone support leaving this up to your loved ones.

I love my kid way more than making him make this decision.

AnninCA on August 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM

The entire male population of the world just winced. At least they are not forcing it on the adults.

sonofdy on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Not yet, that’s in phase II of the health care takeover.

Susanboo on August 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Parents better raise a STINK about this,government should not be allowed to tell us what to do w/our kids!

ohiobabe on August 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I would agree with doctors being encouraged to perform circumcision.

and yes, ed, there actually is tons of evidence that this brings down AIDS rates.

Vincenzo on August 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

As does cutting off legs bring down knee replacements.

Wade on August 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM

“Cash for Foreskin” anybody?

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I just feel sorry for the poor chump soon to be christened the “Foreskin Czar”.

FuriousAmerican on August 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

I feel sorry for the guy who actually needs the tax incentive to get de-foreskinned. What sorry, sad state in life would lead to such a thing? And does he trade it in for a more energy efficient one?

TheHat on August 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

AIDS advocates are like a dog with a bone when it comes to trying to scare money out of heterosexuals. “OOOH THE AIDS IS COMING THE AIDS IS COMING! BOOO BE AFRAID!. ”

Fact is very very few heterosexual men have gotten “Slim” from having sex with women.

That bone has no meat. ;)

max1 on August 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Cybergeezer on August 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Speak for yourself. I was thinking of Lorena Bobbitt but kept picturing Nancy Pelosi.

clorensen on August 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

I put together a “bumper sticker” about this the other day- feel free to comment.

BKeyser on August 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

They’re really going for our nuts!

Cybergeezer on August 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM

This is a slippery slope. First, they mandate circumcision. Next, a more invasive procedure, the Chopadictoffamy. The total chickafication of America, thus, comes to full fruition.

Be afraid. Be verrry afraid.

TXUS on August 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

They’re really going for our nuts!

Cybergeezer on August 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Now that’s a bit of a, er, stretch….

max1 on August 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Confucious say, never buy onion rings from circumcision doctor.

faraway on August 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

As does cutting off legs bring down knee replacements.

Wade on August 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Dont give Obama anymore ideas.

El_Terrible on August 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM

If it becomes “Cash for Half”, how many would actually do it? WOuld you get taxed for it … in the end. And what DO they do with the “tip”?

Do you really wanna know?

upinak on August 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM

If circumcision is correlated with low rates of AIDS infection, I would suspect that the reason is that circumcision correlates well with parents’ income level, stability of the parents’ marriage, quality of the child’s education, and so forth… all factors that decrease the probability of the child having anal sex with strangers in exchange for intravenous drugs. That’s just my guess though.

It doesn’t make any sense at all that, on an individual level, being circumcised is going to make the difference between getting AIDS or not.

joe_doufu on August 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Removal of the foreskin (circumcision) interferes with normal sexual function.

This page brings together, in one place, scattered material relevant to the study of the role of the foreskin in human sexuality, and the dysfunction caused by its amputation.

RushBaby on August 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Next Sarah Palin Facebook entry:

“Bris Panels”

Daggett on August 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Hey doc, keep the tip…

(Ha! Try the veal!)

max1 on August 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Cybergeezer on August 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Speak for yourself. I was thinking of Lorena Bobbitt but kept picturing Nancy Pelosi.

clorensen on August 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

My collie says:

I keep hearing Howard Dean’s scream. Is there an echo in here?

Hmmm. I wonder how many circumcisions that b*st*rd has done.

CyberCipher on August 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Matthew and Levi were relieving at the side of the road.
Levi looked down and noticed Matthew was wetting his shoes.
Levi said, “You go to the temple on 4th ave.”
Matthew said, Yeah, how’d you know?”
“Rabbi Schwarts always cuts on the bias.”

jbinnout on August 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM

I did not circumcise either of my sons. That is a personal decision with very little (if any) health benefit. I saw no reason to do it since I’m not Jewish. :)

Can’t wait for this fight when the gov’t tries to force moms to do this crap. 65% was back in 1999 — bet it’s a lot lower now.

CambellBrown on August 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Royal Deluxe II

The feds can combine this new program with its GMC automobile advertizing campaign. Purfect!

Laurence on August 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM

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