Orszag: Let’s spend money to fight … deficits?
posted at 4:30 pm on August 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
One might think that the experience of being exposed as a political hack instead of an independent-minded budget director would keep Peter Orszag from offering any more policy advice, at least publicly. Instead of resigning or just keeping quiet for a few days, Orszag has decided to double down on his hackery on the official OMB blog. His recipe for the spiraling deficit he badly underestimated, in the face of an economic downturn that he also badly underestimated? More spending!
During an economic downturn, one wants to allow the deficit to increase, so deficit reduction should be focused on the out-years – after the economy has recovered. That said, the out-year deficits hover in the range of 4 percent of GDP, which is higher than desirable. Getting the out-year deficit under control is a top priority of the Administration.
We are in the midst of the policy process surrounding the FY 2011 budget, and that process will include proposals to put the nation back on a fiscally sustainable path. In the meantime, we have to stop making these longer-term deficits worse – which is why the Administration supports statutory pay-as-you-go legislation, so that any new tax or entitlement initiatives are fully paid for. (If pay-go rules had been followed over the past eight years, the projected deficit would be $5 trillion lower over the next decade.)
In addition to avoiding making the problem any worse, we need to address the key driver of our long-term deficits: health care costs. The federal government simply cannot be put on a fiscally sustainable path without slowing the rate of health care cost growth in the long run. That is why the Administration is insistent that health care reform not only be deficit neutral over the next ten years, but also incorporate changes that will help reduce the deficit thereafter.
Wait, wait, wait. In one paragraph, Orszag scolds the previous administration for not following pay-go rules. In the very next breath, Orszag then says that Congress needs to spend more to “reform” health care regardless of revenue assumptions. Let’s recall that the previous administration’s deficits put together were fractions of what we’ll have under Barack Obama’s economic plans. Remember this chart?

All those dark red lines are CBO projections of deficits under the directions Obama has proposed. While pay-go may have helped prevent deficit spending in the Bush years — a tough argument, considering the 9/11 attacks and two wars that operated mostly outside of the budget process — the worst deficit under all-Republican governance came to less than a quarter of what Obama will produce this year. And let’s not forget that Democrats controlled spending from 2007 onward, and they deliberately bypassed Bush for the 2009 budget, waiting until Obama took office to pass most of their spending priorities.
That’s not the only absurdity in Orszag’s blog posting, either:
It is worth noting, however, that by 2019, the difference between non-interest spending and revenue, which is also known as the “primary deficit,” is only 0.6 percent of GDP. Interest payments, which almost entirely represent the cost of the debt accumulated due to the policies of past administrations and the need to run short-run deficits to help the economy recover from the worst downturn since the Great Depression, are 3.4 percent of GDP.
Again, consult the chart above. The deep red lines do not represent some adjustable-rate interest on bond payments. The Obama administration plans to swamp the US with half as much accumulated debt in ten years that it took 70 years to accumulate under its predecessors, and that’s if we’re lucky. These very clearly are not “short-run deficits” based on the need for economic recovery. They slow down to $800 billion in 2012 and 2013, twice the Republican Congress’ deficit in 2004, and begin ballooning again after that.
Besides, what does it matter what the “primary deficit” is compared to interest payments? Is Orszag suggesting that the US will default on its interest obligations? That should do wonders for the dollar.
Orszag is trying his best to spin numbers to keep Obama’s domestic agenda afloat. OMB has always been a political animal, but under Orszag’s direction, it has become a laughingstock.
Update: James Pethokoukis says the deficit projections are even worse than Orszag admits:
Those numbers, however, are actually a bit on the rosy side. In his blog, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, notes that the forecasts presume no change in current tax laws, such as the continued existence of the Bush tax cuts and the alternative minimum tax (AMT), which grabs more and more taxpayers ever year at a lower and lower income level.
Such forecasts also assume annual spending increases grow at the rate of inflation. But tomorrow is rarely the same as today in Washington. A more realistic scenario — if the AMT were indexed for inflation, most of the Bush tax cuts continued and spending rose as it has in the past — would see the deficit at 8.5 percent of GDP in 2019. That is a level, before the current crisis, not seen since World War Two.
Budget numbers like these are generated on a cash accounting basis. They don’t take into account the underfunding of America’s vast entitlement programs and the annual changes in the net present value of those programs.
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Joe Biden is spreading.
BadgerHawk on August 25, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Bad news? Time for more lies!
AUINSC on August 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Now this is a philosophy I would bet my life on; If I was a foot washing Obamacrat!
Cybergeezer on August 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Orszag has a fantastic head of hair….
pseudonominus on August 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM
That may be true, but it doesn’t really explain your deficits.
BadgerHawk on August 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM
If the entire Obama “administration” were to be replaced by rabid chimpanzees, the American people would be better off.
NoDonkey on August 25, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Hmmm. What a brilliant idea: Let’s spend our way out of the deficit! It’s like fighting fire with fire or, or, or using reverse psychology on the deficit, zagging when it expects us to zig. It’s just crazy enough to work.
Or just crazy.
Tantor on August 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM
As some of us have been saying for a long time, the administration is trying to crash the economy and collapse the dollar to create a crisis they will use to usurp massive power. Everything they say otherwise is a lie.
Daggett on August 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Keep digging Barry. You’ll eventually have a direct hole to China and they can just pour money into it.
“Look, free money coming out of this hole!!!!“- Barry O’bama
portlandon on August 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Orszag = One trick Pony = Bush’s fault
Keep it up and there will be no such thing as an “out-year”.
Jussi on August 25, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Please stop. Was there a thread on cash for refrigerators? I have been hearing commercials on the radio for the last couple of days that people can get $200 back for buying a new efficent refrigerator. They need to stop.
Cindy Munford on August 25, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Today’s new date: 1/9/84. Honestly, for Obama to say he’s going to be a deficit hawk on the very day his OMB announces a 2 trillion budgetary SNAFU, who then says we need to spend more money to fix the problem, is more than my little brain can take. As a result of this, I have begun speaking to loved ones in primal grunts to express myself. It’s simply less taking on me.
Weight of Glory on August 25, 2009 at 4:37 PM
I swear, if the White House was on fire the Obama administration would form a bucket brigade and douse the flames with gasoline.
Worse than incompetent.
fogw on August 25, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Hey…………there is thinking and then there is “Dem” thinking……….all of this makes sense to Team Obama – hey when you’re born in Kenya, as the Messiah was (or was it Russia?) you think funny…………..but we still love him and Mrs. Messiah because they Crowned themselves in a Greek Temple and all………………
Cinday Blackburn on August 25, 2009 at 4:37 PM
It is worth noting, however, that by 2019, the difference between non-interest spending and revenue, which is also known as the “primary deficit,” is only 0.6 percent of GDP.
This is the rationale that they’ll use to explain why inflation will be good for America since it will devalue the debt.
The part they keep forgetting is the stagnant economy and their inability to encourage new investment in this tax climate.
DrW on August 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Rabid chimpanzees don’t want to be associated with this Admin in any way…….
JoeinTX on August 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM
A friend of mine in Washington, who writes grants, she says the money is overflowing, the grant money is everywhere. She has never seen anything like it…the caveat, you have to be from a certain “segment” of society to receive it. And has reached the point of asking acquaintances, that are the proper “segment”, want some money?
She is “under the radar” since she has a partner that fits the demographic they are looking for…the modern day gold rush, go east young man/woman…for some…
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 4:39 PM
The sh1t is piled so thick there, they had to release this while everyone is on vacation.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 4:39 PM
How in the world can you reverse a downword spiral by spiralling downword?
fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 4:39 PM
lie, after lie, after lie. Claiming PAYGO as a solution when evryone knows what a fallacy its is smacks of desperation.
rob verdi on August 25, 2009 at 4:40 PM
………..there is thinking and then there is Dem thinking…and all of this makes sense to Dems…..but hey, we still love the Messiah and Mrs. Messiah because they were afterall crowned in a Greek Temple and they were born in Nigeria? Kenya? I don’t know – one of those “states” near Montana somewhere…………got to love consistency – I mean hell, The Messiah and Mrs. Messiah always lie. I admire that….
Cinday Blackburn on August 25, 2009 at 4:41 PM
They know what they are doing, and they don’t care.
Malicious intent.
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 25, 2009 at 4:41 PM
This tortured logic is so twisted and bizarre as to be EVIL. I really don’t know how this little douche got where he is?
JAM on August 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM
this is what true Keynsians beleive. I heard Paul Krugman back in the Spring/winter on TV claiming the only reason the Japanese had their “lost decade” of stagflation was because they “Chickened Out” on spending full throttle ahead
jp on August 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I went to the whitehouse link,read the post by Orszag,went to add my comments but they apparently don’t have a comments section. Must be a simple oversight as I’m sure they would want to hear from me and the other concerned extremists.
arnold ziffel on August 25, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Is this a surprise? What do you expect Washington to do when times are tight? Cut spending? You know tax hikes are just around the corner.
Doughboy on August 25, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Coming soon: the United States of Western Zimbabwe
paxlibertas on August 25, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Tone deafness is worse than H1N1…
d1carter on August 25, 2009 at 4:45 PM
These people are absolutely reckless. there is no other word for them.
Obama and his entire adminstration need to be removed from office if we are ever to recover from this economic downturn.
I’m hoping for a meteor to smash down on DC when Congress and the Senate are in session, and Obama and all his people are in the White house, so we can start with a clean slate
UltimateBob on August 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM
sorry for OT, but this is priceless
Cash For Clunkers Payments are Taxable!
“.. you get nailed at least once and possibly twice. Specifically, you pay sales tax on the full vehicle price (effectively paying sales tax on the $4,500!) and what’s worse those states that tax income (that would be most of them!) might wind up counting this as income for state income tax purposes too, effectively taxing you twice.”
read the rest at
http://www.businessinsider.com/whoops-cash-for-clunker-participants-dont-realize-their-rebates-get-taxed-2009-8
DrW on August 25, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I look forward to being a billionaire.
ICBM on August 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Get out of my head! First thing I thought of was a “created crisis”!
lovingmyUSA on August 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
“Orszag has decided to double down on his hackery.”
That about sums it up.
One question, though. Have any of these people ever had a checking account? This isn’t genius economic territory here. This is about not having enough money to pay for the things you want, therefore, you don’t get to purchase those things. A 4-year-old child understands that. How come our breathtakingly intelligent president and his staff do not?
Rational Thought on August 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
No wonder so many people are in debt over their heads. Just following the governments example.
fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Well, maybe they think it is kind of like a toilet.
It gets full of cr*p and wee wee’d (like a bad economy), so then they just “flush” it, and refill the bowl so they can start all over again.
Out of site, out of mind…the problem is, we (taxpayers) live at the end of the sewer line…
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Either that, or they are just plain stupid…I go for stupid.
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM
1880′s here we come – why I remember when we had lectricity – you know that stuff that ran the internets and such – come to think about it – most of the stuff on those internets was a bunch of horse crap anyhow! – well time to milk the donkeys.
izoneguy on August 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Of course there’s lots of money to spend. You see, I still have tons of ink left at the printer.
fbcmusicman on August 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM
FAKE HAIR!!
moonbatkiller on August 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM
2011….COLA from hell.
Limerick on August 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Out of site, out of mind…the problem is, we (taxpayers) live at the end of the sewer line…
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 4:52 PM
I spelled downward wrong twice. I am losing brain cells faster than the debt is rising.
fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I guess the thought process is this:
Hmmmm, we are going to crash – so let’s do a really fast nosedive and get it over with.
izoneguy on August 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
fresh horseshit straight from the donkeys mouth
bluegrass on August 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
elduende on August 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM
–Pete “Math Whiz” Orszag
George Orwell on August 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM
These guys are so bad, even the liberal trolls are in hiding…
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM
What a doofus. That just makes it worse. What he is saying is that the interest alone on the accumulated debt (a large chunk of which comes from the present administration), will cost more than World War II on an inflation-adjusted basis, and with WWII, we were buying assets and labor, not paying interest.
Vashta.Nerada on August 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Don’t forget, folks, this is the same Administration headed by a “man” who said, just hours after signing his own multi-trillion dollar deficit into law, that we have entered a new era of “fiscal responsibility.”
George Orwell on August 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I thought that at first, but they’re too consistent. Stupid would have accidentally done something right by now. Plus, they’re doing crisis-leading damage on every other front, too — national security, etc.
Daggett on August 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
We don’t look for errors, it is the idea that counts…except if a poster is a liberal troll, then everything is “game”.
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 5:01 PM
They are a hybrid, they get an idea, a bad idea, and they stupidly stick with it…which is why they are losing the polls…they don’t know when to stop, hence the stupid part.
Give enough rope and they will hang themselves…which is probably a racist comment to them.
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Spin baby spin.
Scrappy on August 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Well, all this will come out when he has his meetings on C-Span…
right2bright on August 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Maybe this is why they are working so hard to turn granny and pappy into shovel ready projects.
joedoe on August 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
They’re correct, we just weren’t prepared for their kind of fiscal “responsibility” you see.
JoeinTX on August 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I look forward to being a billionaire.
ICBM on August 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Ah, yes that is the plan!! If everyone is a Godzillionaire then nobody is making less than $250k / year so he can raise everyone’s taxes – yet, still keep his campaign promise. Yes, that’s the ticket.
Jed_Eckert on August 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
We’re screwed. No way this damage can be undone in 2010 and 2012. I don’t care if it’s acomplete shift in the GOP vs. Dems in Congress, too much damage is being done.
Yakko77 on August 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
FIASCO! How are we going to survive 3 more years of this?
Buy Danish on August 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
WTF?????
Damn, it looks like Dick Morris might be right after all.
The ‘rats could lose a 100 seats.
This is beyond industrial-grade stupid.
CPT. Charles on August 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Or the fact that our corrupt government continues to allow millions of poor, unskilled, uneducated illegal aliens to set up residence in our country every year and fraudulently sign up for benefits paid by these essentially bankrupt entitlement programs.
And hey, here’s a great idea: let’s create yet another massive entitlement program for taxpayer-financed healthcare insurance for the uninsured. That’ll teach those illegal aliens a lesson: if you keep coming here in violation of our laws, we’ll keep giving you free stuff!
Same kind of nonsensical thinking that leads Dims to believe we can spend our way out of killer debt.
AZCoyote on August 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I disagree. It’s practically a duplicate of the Clinton administration, and Clinton reversed course a number of times. And Obama is better (and more vicious) at politics than Clinton.
There’s too much evidence that it’s deliberate, right down to Obama’s closest friends and cohorts (including even Piven of the Cloward-Piven manufactured crisis strategy).
Daggett on August 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Is this like where they put out the forest fire by setting another fire?
Dang, Obama is so smart.
Wait, Biden is so smart. He came up with the spend to keep from going broke idea I think.
Go Plugs!
jhffmn on August 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Any new tax is fully paid for. To think this fraud runs a budget office for the precedent. He must have a degree in Underwater Basket Weaving.
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM
$7 trillion $9 trillion….does it even matter what the number is? It’s as if I owe $10M and then one day I discover it’s actually $12M. It could be $120M and it wouldn’t matter, I will never be able to pay it back.
angryed on August 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM
he doesn’t appear worried.
Jed_Eckert on August 25, 2009 at 5:19 PM
With Paul “Enron” Krugman as a cheer leader.
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM
You forget one thing. Americans are idiots. I predict Dems win, yes I said win, seats in 2010. That is how little faith I have in Americans today.
angryed on August 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
But did the puppy get to go on the trip? That’s what inquiring minds really want to know.
//sarc
ted c on August 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
You forget one thing. Americans are idiots. I predict Dems win, yes I said win, seats in 2010. That is how little faith I have in Americans today.
angryed on August 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I have some faith in living American voters; it is just the others ACORN will register that I am worried about.
Jed_Eckert on August 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
FIFY.
AnotherOpinion on August 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Yeah. It’s the only thing that’s hiding his concave head, where a brain SHOULD be!
capejasmine on August 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
The MSM not calling out these potentially catastrophic lies borders on treason.
marklmail on August 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Yep, I distinctly remembered Biden said we had to keep spending to ‘get out of it’.
Makes me ‘proud’ to be in Delaware.
Sir Napsalot on August 25, 2009 at 5:33 PM
No, it’s just malpractice. Folks in politics have lied since there were politicians. The press (for all the journalistic “ethics” of enlightened-self-congratulation) has never been particularly good at watch-dogging. As Professor Thomas Sowell put it (to paraphrase): to elect Sen. McCain would be a disaster, but to elect (then Sen.) McCain would be a catastrophe. Ah, the words of Professor Sowell! The people will get it right next time said the optomist!
clorensen on August 25, 2009 at 5:38 PM
That’s what I do. When I can’t pay my bills I just borrow and spend.
What the guy is telling us is HYPER-Inflation is coming.
jukin on August 25, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Yikes…
clorensen on August 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM
That is more in one year than the ENTIRE DoD budget (3.5% of GDP). We are going to borrow more money than the largest portion of the federal government uses to defend the country and win wars in order to stay SOLVENT?
What idiot believes this logic???????
Subsunk
Subsunk on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
And it’s not just acorn. How many millions in illegal foreign money will the GOP have to fight against? And of course the campaign contribution limits won’t apply to the Dems, because they’ll use online donations to bypass the rules.
hawksruleva on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Yeah, unfortunately this is a unique set of orchestrated wanton moves to fundamentally cripple this country. Stupidity isn’t a crime. Treasonous complicity is.
marklmail on August 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
“Don’t judge me” is the most dangerous phrase in the English language as it allowed these brain-dead cretins (and legion more) to grow up thinking that they’re super-intelligent, because no politically-correct teachers or parents had the nerve to tell them that all of their thoughts were worth precisely f*** all.
One Against Many on August 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Has the SCM ever considered how history will judge their complicity in this disaster?
Chainsaw56 on August 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Throw a little more gasoline on that fire Pete, we’ll get it out yet. Good job Petey!
MB4 on August 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Perhaps someone knows the answer to this: If the CBO estimate is only based on current law as passed, that means that the White House estimate includes health reform costs, but the CBO red bars of this infamous chart do not even include the cost of obamacare at all?? It this true?
G. Charles on August 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM
I see him standing in the rain
Raindrops falling on him
He doesn’t even seem to care
He stands there and smiles as if just at me
And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Money everywhere
I love the Money Man
Oh, I don´t know just why
His Hope and Change simply catches my eye
I love the Money Man
He seems so generous and kind
He sweeps thoughts of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ into my mind
I know I have to say bravo
(bravo, bravo)
He smiles over at me
It’s as if he takes me by the hand
And we walk
To the bank alone
And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Money everywhere
MB4 on August 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Almost all Obama appointees fit into one of two categories.
1) Morons.
2) Psychopaths.
MB4 on August 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM
The same F’in logic that killed or wounded something like 420,000 Brits in the Somme Offensive (July to Nov 1916).
Two dead soldiers per every centimeter of territory gained.
Wow, that’s a good tradoff IF your population is like…
a billion.
Sapwolf on August 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM
starve the beast!
gonegaltinstl on August 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Yes but we can always just print more money. Sure, it only delays the inevitable collapse and ensures it will hit harder but it looks good at the moment for those with the blinders still on at least.
Yakko77 on August 25, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I wonder if Orszog keeps his spread sheets under his headrug? (Darn, MB4 already wrote a song about this).
leftnomore on August 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM
No let’s print it! Lots of it!
Journeyman electrician takes over New York Fed….What could go wrong?
Caper29 on August 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM
It boggles the mind that they can put out their projections of a $1.75 trillion deficit and with a straight face, point to the CBO numbers and call them inflated.
$1.75 trillion, $1.85 trillion — who the eff cares??? You’re spending too much money you don’t have, buttmunches!!!!
@#&@&^!!! I don’t know if I will make it to 2012. These people keep me awake at night.
NoLeftTurn on August 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM
That Heritage Foundation bar graph included the war spending during the Bush administration. Go back to the original source where the point is made by THF.
onlineanalyst on August 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
So, $5 trillion in eight years, and they’ve almost doubled that in eight months.
Over. Achievers.
juanito on August 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM
thats right Uncle Jed, Mr Drysdale works for us now.
bluegrass on August 26, 2009 at 9:58 AM
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