Next up: the Cash for Clunkers hangover
posted at 5:40 pm on August 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Yesterday, as the Cash for Clunkers program finally ended in a flurry of showroom visits and dealer complaints, I wrote that the program was perhaps the most foolish attempt at government manipulation of the private market since the Community Reinvestment Act and the mandates for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to securitize sub-prime loans. I’m not the only one making that argument, either. The Washington Post warns its readers of the “hangover” coming after the government bender on outdated fenders:
The Obama administration declared the program a success. An estimate issued Monday by the White House Council of Economic Advisers said the program is projected to boost U.S. third-quarter gross domestic product by 0.3 to 0.4 percentage points and create 42,000 jobs by the end of 2009.
Many auto industry analysts and dealers expect sales volumes to fall now that the program is over. They worry that many people who took advantage of the program were merely accelerating purchases they would have made later in the year.
If that’s true, the premature sales could hurt automakers, which increased production in the third quarter to replenish clunker-depleted inventories that had already grown low because of factory shutdowns over the summer.
Because there’s a lag time between production and getting a vehicle to a dealership, the new vehicles “will hit when there’s a lower demand,” said Jeff Schuster, executive director of forecasting at the auto industry research firm J.D. Power and associates.
And when will that lower demand come? Right as the new models get to the dealers, when prices are highest anyway. Small wonder that Edmunds.com president Jeremy Anwyl says, “Nice party, but the hangover is awful.”
The problem with C4C and the CRA/Fannie/Freddie interventions is that they can’t change the basic laws of economics. Big-ticket sales have multi-year impacts that go far beyond the point of sale. In both cases, the investment in vehicles regulates who can buy, and when. The people who bought cars under C4C would likely have bought new vehicles when the prices dropped enough, especially if gas prices pushed them to look for more fuel-efficient vehicles. Destroying their trade-ins make it more difficult for other families to buy used vehicles, both by ensuring a lack of inventory and having the supply squeeze drive prices upward.
To the extent that the program pushed people only marginally able to buy a new vehicle through the magic of trade-in inflation into making these purchases, it encouraged them to take on additional debt they likely can’t afford. Since the chronic issue with American families is too much debt rather than too little, that aspect of the C4C program will almost certainly produce bad results in the long term. We can expect higher-than-normal repo rates and loan failures, exactly the problem that created the current economic crisis.
The Obama administration says that the program will create 42,000 jobs this year and boost the GDP in the 3rd quarter. Do we expect the White House to follow that up with reports on how it damaged new-car sales in Q4?










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Inmitigated success!
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Pretty clever, those dealers.
Vashta.Nerada on August 25, 2009 at 5:43 PM
So sales might drop a bit after they skyrocketed. The horror!
Come on guys, I know you can do it. All together now…
Thank you President Obama.
crr6 on August 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
There never has been, and never will be, any such thing as a free lunch.
kam582 on August 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Too big to fail? The dealers or the idiots that took their $4,500 dollars and purchased a vehicle they will not be able to make payments for…..I smell a bailout coming.
Thank you for destroying our country, President obama.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Yep, got a friend who needs a cheap but decent used family van really bad right now and can’t find any.
CP on August 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Inmitigated?
kam582 on August 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Get out from under that podium, crr6.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
EPIC GOVERNMENT FAIL #1,523,602,199,203
Good Lt on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
*shakes magic 8-ball*
gryphon202 on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
JusDreamin on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
And lower fourth quarter GDP by 0.3 to 0.4 and result in 42,000 additional jobs lost in Q4. Merry Chrismas!
Vashta.Nerada on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Thank you President Obama.
crr6 on August 25, 2009 at 5:44 PMO/T Glenn Beck had his largest audience yesterday and plenty of advertisers tonight.
fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Good Lt on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Thank you Obama. Without you, people might not be at least $15,000 in debt and tax payers might not have subsidized someone else’s car! Windows might never have been broken.
Thanks dude!
Gah. I blame Bush.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
And exactly why would I be thanking Obama for forcing me to put up money to pay the down payment on someone else’s car? Please do explain.
jimmy2shoes on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Where did the money the gov’t is going to give to the car dealers come from? Where? How are they paying for this? When will that money be returned? Will there be interest on that money? How will the government recoup my money that they spent on this? (remember I pay taxes so I paid for this thing) Will the people who bought cars under this program remember to thank me? What will happen next year? Will they continue to repeat this program to keep sales up? Where will that money come from?
What else “for clunkers” programs are there? Where is that money coming from?
mjk on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Can we trade Obama in on a more economical model?
I’ll even forgo the rebate.
JetBoy on August 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Pulling the plug on life support.
The Auto dealerships just experienced the DEATH PANEL.
portlandon on August 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I’ll thank him when he gives me $4500 for putting up with this BS.
mjk on August 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Ed, you forget the last half of the argument after “Destroying their trade-ins make it more difficult for other families to buy used vehicles, both by ensuring a lack of inventory and having the supply squeeze drive prices upward.”
Whatever those families now drive — that’s what they will continue to drive. And since those vehicles they drive are far more apt to be gross polluters or get far fewer MPGs than the rich man’s “clunker”, then an argument can be made that “Cash for Clunkers” has driven upward, rather then downward, the fleet economy of the entire set of cars in America, and has been a net loss to the ecology.
There’s a place the very oldest, most polluting and mechanically unreliable car goes; its place in line have been taken by the “clunker”.
unclesmrgol on August 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Let’s not forget the effect of this misbegotten program on people who depend on what Osama Obama’s Evil Elves call “clunkers.” There will be fewer inexpensive rides around for those people to buy, fewer junkyard parts available for the ones that survived the mass crushings.
Oh, wait, the skies are much bluer today, and we have cut our dependence on foreign oil by probably a thousandth of a percentage point. We’ll all ride unicorns now….
Or is the Lord Obama’s next step to offer every poor person in America a free new car?
MrScribbler on August 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Don’t worry, we won’t notice the C4C hangover because of the housing credit hangover. And of course, we’ll be happy anyway, because we’ll be getting rebates form Uncle Sam on ENERGYSTAR appliances this winter.
hawksruleva on August 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Your corroborating source is a White House economic prediction?
Can I rebut with a quote from Santa?
Chuck Schick on August 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
And by the way, the Southeastern Asian automakers all thank you heartily, President TOTUS. How’d GovernmentMotors fare in that whole thing, I wonder?
What did all the taxpayers who are going to get soaked for this boondoggle do to deserve it, I’m wondering?
Good Lt on August 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Cash for Lemons
faraway on August 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Obama wants “success” bullet points for his state of the union address and it’s up to responsible media to make sure Cash for Clunkers isn’t one of them.
Right now can overlook all the other outcomes and drive his point with the surge in sales the program yielded. But folks need to be reminded that this program was ultimately as harmful to consumer activity as it was wasteful.
Khorum on August 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Poor people who will have to pay more for used cars, since 500,000 were taken off the road for no good reason all say “Thanks Obama!”
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
You should break all the windows in your house and then buy new ones to stimulate the economy.
Hop to it! We all have to do our share for the party!
jhffmn on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
It took the media this long to figure it out?what the heck have they been doing for the past month?Anyboby with half a brain could see this coming a long time ago.
DDT on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Since only the very poorest deserving people took advantage of the “Cash for Clunkers” program, the money came from rich undeserving people, right? Or is it the rich undeserving generations yet unborn?
unclesmrgol on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Obama’s checklist:
Reduce the number of auto dealerships – check
Increase the amount of people who will default on loans – check
Decrease charitable auto giving for poor people – check
Give your pals at UAW a quick fix of cash – check
Have a reason to send GM some more bailout cash -check
Mission accomplished
izoneguy on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
So what happens when Cash for Appliances is hot and heavy?
Fridges all over the place due to freon?
Dishwashers all over due to bad gaskets?
Washers and Dryer (gas) all over, due to bad conncetions?
upinak on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Yep. He desperately needs something to cling to, as the saying goes.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
You’re not very fun at parties are you?
crr6 on August 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Thanks for what? Many of my local dealers are on the hook for $300,000 or so. I didn’t get a car. But I did help pay for someone else’s rebate.
Am I supposed to thank Obama for taking my money and giving it to someone else, while putting businesses in my neighborhood at greater risk of collapse?
hawksruleva on August 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
How will (did) Cash For Clunkers create 42,000 jobs?????
izoneguy on August 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Uhhh…. didn’t the $4,500 rebate/credit come from the (empty) Treasury coffers? Isn’t that tax money? So, basically, a percentage of the 25% of my yearly income taken by the government was given to people who brought an old (probably un-used/usable) care into a dealer and bought a new one? And Obama and his acolytes think this is success? Well, sh!t. Why don’t they just take all my money. I mean, it’s not like I could have afforded a new car if the government hadn’t taken 25% of my income in the first place. Right? Right.
It’s not like, had I kept my money instead of having it given to others, I would have bought anything, right? I certainly wouldn’t have bought that new suit for work, or the new chair so my back doesn’t hurt at the end of the day. I wouldn’t have bought that airline ticket to go on the vacation in Florida I’ve been looking forward to for a year now. I wouldn’t have gotten that new pair of shoes. And, as I said before, I certainly wouldn’t have bought a car. Right?
Good thing the government can spend my money so much better than I can. I can’t stimulate the economy. You can’t stimulate the economy. Only Obama can stimulate the economy.
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Took my Camry in for an Oil Change during this whole thing and the Toyota dealership was an absolute gong show. The GM dealership was quiet as a mouse (I drive past it everyday). Toyota was thrilled to pieces, I’m sure.
mjk on August 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Sorry if reality hurts :(
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
jimmy2shoes on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
you’re asking for way too much from the troll but good call anyway. Very succinct.
DanMan on August 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
If I take your money and give it to a bunch of other people to buy something with are you going to thank me?
dpierson on August 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
The same way the ARRA did, by imaginative accounting and repetition.
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
I’ll bet YOU are, bathtub boy.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Facts are a hard thing to deal with when you’re playing with Skittle Crapping unicorns, hmm?
mjk on August 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
I have not has a chance to check with my accountant on this, but I heard Rush saying something today that many takers are finding out that there are some unexpected TAX CONSEQUENCES attached to the $4,500.
Apparently, some on the sales tax end of the deal in many states, and not sure about income tax? Nothing is EVER free!
singlemalt_18 on August 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
I wonder how many of those who took the C4C cash realize that they have to pay taxes on it………?
…… What?
You thought it was ‘Free’…….?
Seven Percent Solution on August 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Every ad for C4C in the Sunday papers was showing big 4 wheel drive models, hummers, cadilacs and large buicks. In 4 to 6 months there will be a C4C bailout.
fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Are the car dealers going to be vilified later on after these people who couldn’t afford these cars end of defaulting on payments? Just like predatory home lenders were vilified for misleading people into home loans that people couldn’t afford?
This was so stupid. What an utter epic failure –these guys were just printing cheese to put in front of the mice. What happens when that “personal responsibility” thing kicks in? Car dealers gonna get blamed too?
ted c on August 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Great minds………
Seven Percent Solution on August 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Obumbler needs to get someone to do math….. or he could just be lying.
Lets use $4k per car and $3B funding. That’s 750K cars. Let’s assume an average price of $20K that’s a total of $15B immediate growth that a good 35-40% would have come in anyway.
First that works out to 0.12% and most of that went offshore to foreign companies. Let’s be generous and say 50% went toward US GDP you get 0.06. Won’t even mention that the next six months will be dismal in auto sales.
Math and being president is hard, lying not so much.
jukin on August 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
What 42000 jobs?
sonofdy on August 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
In ObamaWorld everything is possible.
faraway on August 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Destruction of wealth. Real wealth. With no real results, either economic or environmental.
spmat on August 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Look, Comrades!
Glorious Leader took money from evil capitalist X and gave it to evil cpaitalist Y for make benefit glorious nation of America!
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Ed, there’s no doubt that cash for clunkers is foolish and so is the CRA but you are a propagandist if you think that CRA had any legitimate effect on the overall market. At its height, CRA accounted for 3% of the mortgages. Fannie/Freddie didn’t jump into sub prime because they were mandated but because that’s where the money is. You really haven’t the slightest idea what caused the financial crisis and only go on and on spewing what is essentially propaganda. You would have the world believe that a law that didn’t even apply to mortgage brokers, who accounted for most of the bad loans, caused the crisis, even though that law at its height accounted for no more than 3% of all mortgages.
If you are going to go on and on about how the media misleads it’s hypocritical and shocking to mislead especially when you are doing it because you don’t know any better. You have not experience in mortgages. What makes you think you have any standing to make analysis about what caused the mortgage crisis? Frankly, the very creation of Fannie/Freddie is much more misguided than any mandates for sub prime.
I am so tired of reading conservatives blame CRA because it’s purely ideological. There is absolutely no evidence that this law had any effect. Yet, people like you push it as a mantra, and it’s all because by doing so, you can blame liberal social engineering policies. It’s totally ideological. You have no evidence that this is so and yet you purport on every occasion that it caused the crisis. It’s totally irresponsible. You are perpetuating an alternate reality that doesn’t exist.
I hope that everyone that believes that CRA had anything to do with the crisis reads this and then asks if those that push that idea have any idea what they are talking about.
mike volpe on August 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Only a leftist sees the destruction of almost $2 billion assets as a success, in any sense of the term.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
42,000 new jobs, is like the $100 million budget cuts they made on billions in new spending. It’s a joke, from start to finish.
Not to mention, people who bought these cars with the $4500 cash incentive are coming to realize, they have to pay taxes on that money. Ummmm duh?
capejasmine on August 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
I think I’ll take a pass and wait to see if those jobs are really created. I mean the administration is still predicting jobless rates of at least 10% by the end of Q4. That’s a lot of jobs still to lose by then.
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Comrades. Glenn Beck has blown up the world.
faraway on August 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
I’ve been making that exact point since I first heard of this silly experiment. Many [most?] of these C4C buyers would have purchased a used car for little or no debt w/out this program. Now they will on average be taking on how much debt? 12K? So what are we talking about here in monthly payments? $250? $300? That’s a monthly payment they wouldn’t have taken on w/out this dumb-ass program. Let’s see how these loans perform….
I won’t even bother trying asking where the Federal Government is authorized to do this in the Constitution.
toliver on August 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Trolls! Attention!
When the C4C falls apart and fraud, mismagement and waste of tax dollars comes to the fore, along with long term damage to the industry, objectives and people it was designed to help, you will need a scapegoat.
You, know, like the predatory lending excuse for the mortgage meltdown. The evil mortgagebankers caused all the problems. Poor people didn’t know what they were doing, what with payments and all. It didn’t even help housing and homebuilders. But that excuse at least gives the Demorons a talking point.
Now get one for the C4C program.
IlikedAUH2O on August 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
BoA (which was bailed out, I believe) said that CRA loans accounted for 7% of business, but 24% of losses.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Sorry, I’m kinda busy thanking the White House Council of Economic Advisers for the 9% employment rate they said that the stimulus would keep from occuring, the $2 trillion deficit they predicted would not happen, and the growth in GDP they projected would occur.
Thanks guys. You’re the best!!!
PackerBronco on August 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
42,000 new jobs alright. Prolly every one of them will be a bill collector.
AW1 Tim on August 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Single source arguments suck.
dpierson on August 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Sucker.
Jim Treacher on August 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Wait!! I forgot the JOBS!!!!!
42,000 jobs three billion spent, temporary ones at that, works out to government sponsorship per job of $71,400.
Gee business is hard to…lyin not so much.
jukin on August 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
..Um…what do yer mean that the $4500 is taxable income? But I already paid the full sales tax on it. I thought it were s’posed to be free?…
Trusser13 on August 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
The real question is, if this is such a success, why end the program? If subsidizing purchases of commodities simply creates jobs and grows the GDP, why ever stop? What is the rationale? If you can answer why this program had to stop eventually, you will have answered why it was a failure from the get-go.
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
That’s what obama calls him…
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Instant gratification! Hey, who cares what it costs the economy down the road, I only live for today.
-Obama voter
Scrappy on August 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Tell me. Tell me. My husband has hijacked my television….
Now, about these ‘jobs’, what are they going to do with the cars that they DIDN’T sell? You know, purchases will not be complete without your $4500 of ‘free’ money…..
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:04 PM
I sure hope that brown on your face is gravy, or chocolate sauce!
capejasmine on August 25, 2009 at 6:04 PM
It is income as are the matching rebates many auto manufacturers gave. All must be reported as taxable income. 7 – 9 k in additional income to be reported.
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Obama will claim it’s a great success. Then, later, when it shown to be an abject failure, he will say that he always said it would not be a huge boon but a step in the right direction.
This is getting too easy.
SKYFOX on August 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Could someone explain to me the difference between C4C and the home “tax rebate” being offered to home buyers?
Inquiring minds want to know. Sincerely.
Mommypundit on August 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
They’ll be charged tax on the $4,500.
Isn’t that paying tax on tax money?
kingsjester on August 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
This is going to be the most unwatchable State of the Union Address, ever.
Count to 10 on August 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Semantics, really.
jimmy2shoes on August 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
No difference at all.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
C4C underhandedness is a surprise to anyone? BO: “spreading the wealth around works better for everyone”. Next day joe received a media colonoscopy for asking a question.
C4C another epic failure.
jbh45 on August 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Don’t forget the Repo man.
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
No requirement to tear down old homes?
Otherwise, same problems.
Count to 10 on August 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Why not have a bunch of thugs go around and break windows trash cars and burn down houses? Just think of how many jobs would be created. Its a win win!
Itchee Dryback on August 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Who cares about BofA, BofA is not the market. CRA accounted for 3% of all loans. Did WAMU fail because of CRA? No, it failed because of the option arm and so did Bank United and Countrywide had a ton of option arms and that has nothing to do with CRA.
Maybe before you decide if the source sucks, you read it. Then, you can tell me it sucks. The idea that some obscure law that no one had heard of ever until after the crisis somehow was what brought down the market is so ludicrous it is laughable.
What happens is that liberals blame deregulation and conservatives blame CRA and they both do it ideologically. Neither side has the first clue what happened.
We have a monetary crisis. The Federal Reserve has created policies that make our economy in a constant state of chaos and because most people have ideological axes to grind, no one looks at the Fed and they get a pass.
Is someone really going to tell me that the crisis was caused by some obscure law from 30 years ago, when Fed policy which occurred two to three years prior was more immediate and had much more effect?
mike volpe on August 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Protesting “youths” in France = Economic stimulus!
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Don’t trust the government maaaaaaaan!
OBAMA LIES!
crr6 on August 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Our economy died.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Here’s to hoping that four years from now President Palin gives the State of the Union, dropping g’s the entire time.
jimmy2shoes on August 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Same thing.
I want to know why I have to subsidize someone who wants to buy a new car or a house?
Itchee Dryback on August 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM
CRA was updated during Clinton to try and expand home ownership. Try reading about it before pretending it was just some obscure law from 30 years ago.
It distorted the mortgage market. It encouraged banks to give risky loans to areas where banks knew they’d never be paid back (backed by Fannie/Freddie) or be prosecuted by the Justice Dept.
And yeah. BoA doesn’t matter. There is no reason to think that if 7% of its business was CRA and it accounted for 24% of losses, that it was similar across other institutions. No reason to think that at all.
Please. Be serious here.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Let’s all chip in for a pair of custom kneepads and bib for crr6. I’m thinking HOPE on one knee and CHANGE on the other; TOOL on the bib.
Monica on August 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Jim Treacher on August 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Don’t trust the government maaaaaaaan!
OBAMA LIES!
crr6 on August 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Who lied about commercial free Glenn Beck?
fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM
You’re ability to consider issues with some semblance of thought continues to astound us all.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM
It also has a recovery black-hole in it. If you don’t live in the house for at least 3 years you have to pay the credit back. And you must not have owned a home for the previous 2 or 3 (a little more fuzzy on the time frame) years before the purchase.
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Thus reminding me that there will be two more after it to shoot for breaking his own record.
Count to 10 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Predicted.
Next up? Giving the appliance industry their own “shot of heroin” so that they can have severe withdrawals in a few short months.
SBABG on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Stimulus!!
ICBM on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Pretty much. Windows demand to be broken.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
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