McCain: You might be seeing the beginning of a peaceful revolt in America
posted at 3:42 pm on August 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Greg Hengler. I hear this rhetoric a lot from Glenn Beck fans and have no idea what it means in practice. A third party? Good luck with that. Returning the GOP to power? Okay, but if the “revolt” is about fiscal conservatism, you may not like what you get on, oh, say, Medicare. Some sort of constitutional change, per the public’s collapsing trust in Congress’s basic competence? Exactly what would that entail? As I recall, an awful lot of conservatives were energized during the amnesty battle two years ago too, choking congressional switchboards for weeks with angry phone calls. How’d that “revolt” work out at the ballot box last year?
That’s the first clip. The second clip, also via Hengler, is self-explanatory. Incidentally, note how many senior citizens are in the audience and then check out the table Jay Cost just posted. If the Democrats aren’t worried about the midterms, they should be.
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In the case of squishes…..wuss in sheep’s clothing.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Funny.
I don’t listen to democrats.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
That’s what the majority of us have said here on Hot Air. The GOP isolated themselves in the Beltway, away from their constituencies. The majority of them are as out of touch with the Average American as the Democrats are. Look at the last election. The Culture of Corruption in both parties goes back as long as there have been Career Politicians. That is why the Founding Fathers envisioned a limited service in Government for average citizens. They wanted to avoid the creation of the Elitism we are now experiencing.
kingsjester on August 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Ah-ha, so you do belong to “they”!!!
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I would agree with you. What I don’t understand is how the above could be misconstrued as bratish or what have you.
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Ugh. *washes mind’s eye with bleach and a steel brush*
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
The SS Obama is sinking, and Sen. McJackass apparently wants to plug the leak.
I appreciate your service, Senator, but it’s long past time for you to be put out to pasture.
Dave R. on August 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM
I vote to end medicare.
jhffmn on August 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Shhh. Don’t tell anyone….
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM
It definitely needs to be phased out and not replaced either.
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
If you want to be cheered at a heavily conservative town hall simply utter some weird, convoluted combination of:
“constitution…freedoms…socialism….marxist birth certificate”
crr6 on August 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM
When have I ever said “Obama is good”? Or even inferred it? Dang…you love to just outright lie, or is it, as I suspect, you’re letting your outrage at the ObamaDems (I have the same outrage bro) cloud your judgement?
Obama’s not, as McCain said, out to destroy and sidestep the Constitution. The friggin’ leftards cried that for 8 years during Bush’s presidency too. We can’t go down that road. Gee…Here I always thought us conservative Republicans valued sound judgment over emotional outbursts. Perhaps I’m wrong.
Aside from a couple mistakes, McCain ran a stellar campaign. Either way, I still believe he is what this country needed. But look what we got. This country is going down the toilet. Not only are we affected, but the next couple generations will be fixing this mess.
There will be no viable third party. So, in order to actually WIN next election, we’re going to have to find some common ground as Republicans. Again, as I’ve said repeatedly (or “whined” if you ask Upstater) it’s going to call for a little bit of give and take. Hardliners aren’t going to cut it.
So guys…GROW UP and let’s get the Democrats out of Washington!!!
JetBoy on August 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I think its because “Moderates” believe that by declaring themselves such, they place their intelligence above the political fray. They are neither “whackjob” Liberals or “Neanderthal” Conservatives. By believing they are more “intellectual” than Conservatives, they believe they can call our passion for our beliefs “brattish” or “narrow-minded” or “embracing a small tent philosophy”. However, the old adage is true. If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. Again, reference the last election.
kingsjester on August 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Senator McCain’s remarks about “competition” caught my attention:
As an interesting experiment earlier this year, I decided to look into what it would take to run against Kirsten Gillibrand, the woman appointed by Governor Paterson to fill Hillary Clinton’s US senate seat, in the 2010 elections primarily because I don’t like where either one of our New York state senators is steering this country. After finally getting a meeting with a senator in our state’s legislature, I was told point blank that, “…without at least a couple of million dollars in the bank nobody will believe you can be competitive.”
So much for that “competition” Senator McCain referenced. With the price of admission so high (and I’m sure this is a lowballed estimate), does anyone really wonder why middle-class common sense is absent in Washington politics? When the only choices voters are given involve rich and connected insiders, how can we expect our Founding Fathers’ vision of American politics to actually work?
Shockwave on August 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Read the next post. I clarified. your = one’s.
First, Obama has been open that he doesn’t think the Constitution is sufficient… Hmmm, now is he going to destroy it. We’ll have to watch.
Secondly, you are the one infamous HA poster that frequently has emotional outbursts. Are you seriously going to attempt to lecture people on their emotionalism?
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Did anyone ask him if he was ready to opt out of the health plan congress is on for the one he elects to push on us?
bluegrass on August 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM
The book that has never been published: Great moderate victories through the ages.
Fletch54 on August 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Uh, he said the Constitution “reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.”
RegularJoe on August 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
If you actually believe this Terrye I have some grade A tetrahydrocannibinol for your enjoyment.
Two comments in rebuttal.
1. McCain-Feingold
2. Gang of 14
chemman on August 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
This Terrye?
Oh please. I voted against Barack Obama. I would not vote for the man if you put a gun to my head.
Now, maybe some folks on the right are happy that John McCain lost and Obama won, I am not one of them. John McCain, for all his faults would have been a better president.
And no one is responsible for the fact that a stronger conservative did not get the nomination, but conservatives themselves. That is a just a fact too.
I read that 40% of the people in the country consider themselves conservatives, only 9% consider themselves very conservative.
Maybe that 9% needs to spend most of their time and energy trying to get conservatives elected, rather than spending it making useless and snide remarks about the other 31%. That is all I was saying.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Yes, I tend to agree that many of the self-declared moderates that I’ve encountered tend to have an attitude of supremacy. They (those I’ve encountered) tend to consider themselves rational individuals, but then they respond in irrational ways when challenged by those they view as irrational.
I would also say that in America’s current political setting, declaring yourself to be a moderate is most likely the lazy way. One doesn’t have to embrace a set of axiomatic believes. One can waver between instantaneous pragmatism and truths that are “self-evident.”
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:22 PM
McCain Feingold, supported by the conservative favorite, Fred Thompson. Gang of 14, Alito and Roberts got on the bench…
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
At times, I have let emotion get the best of me. For that, I do apologize. Doesn’t solve anything, and doesn’t work to try and convince others of my point. Granted, it’s usually over gay rights. And apparently, you missed every one of my other posts on other topics where I’m quite civil.
If you don’t want to discuss with me, that’s fine. Ignore me and move on. *shudder*…”move on” gives me the willy’s.
Look…we basically have the same goals politically. On 95% of the issues, we probably agree. So we better all come together as ONE party come 2012 or our collective hole gets only deeper.
And THAT’S the truth.
JetBoy on August 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Let’s shoot for 2010. I’ll work to get righties in office if you do.
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM
You still didn’t answer my question, but yes, I too voted AGAINST obama. But, I am tired of voting against someone and not believing in WHOM I am voting FOR. You and I are in the same boat, but I am not happy that obama won. BUT, I do blame MCCAIN for running a crappy campaign and for not believing in his own party and siding with obama against them. He is not a man to be revered. He is a DC insider that loves that adulation of the democrats that bend him over when the need him and slap him when they have obama to adore…look at how his ‘friends’ across the aisle rallied against him and yet, he still considers them friends. They are users, not friends and he is a fool. A fool that needs to be replaced. He might have been a ‘maverick’ once, but he is against his own party and his own people now and he needs to be shown the nearest exit.
I would still like to see why you are so enamored with him, Terrye, but I think you just want to hang on to your ideals. That is fine, I have no gripe with you, other than questioning my allegiance to our military because I think mccain is a dope, but you really should let it go and look toward the future. Mccain has no use for conservatives in the future.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I’ve always worked for righties in office. 2010 is going to be difficult if the current climate of low approval numbers for congress (Repub and Dem controlled) continue.
It just may take longer to get our message right. We have to stop fighting amongst ourselves. That’s the first step.
Keyword: Cohesion.
I’m willing.
JetBoy on August 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Who cares what this guy ~who said he would fight for us, and who then didn’t fight for us~ has to say?
(And, this no tie style is a loser, too. Imitating Barry-the-Falalfel-Salesman Look, John?)
Obama ain’t yo freen, Mac.
profitsbeard on August 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
I’m out.
Night, Sting ;)
Upstater85 on August 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Night 85. On the flipside.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Too bad Allahpundit wasn’t around for the American Revolution. I can just see it
Kasper Hauser on August 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
McCain wouldn’t fight to win during the election and now we have a socialist president. McCain cares more for his reputation of “reaching across the aisle” than what is happening to this country. To hell with the RINO SOB!
farright on August 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I thought I told you to refrain from saying he wasn’t obama….fiscal conservative, he’s not a conservative….and fiscally, well, he voted for the first Tarp…so nope with pork and all. Nope.
He wants us to legalize thirty to forty illegal aliens…..more welfare, more subsidized housing, more more more suckling from the government teat. Nope….keep trying, Terrye.
I’m tired of seeing you feign loyalty for this joker…please tell me more.
No, I will not stop saying he is not Obama. My God, people are talking revolution because of Obama, it is at least worth pointing out that if some of those screaming today had bothered to vote for McCain/Palin a few months ago, we would not be where we are.
And John McCain had a rep for fiscal conservatism long before there was a TARP or a financial crisis. McCain was one of the few GOPers who actually did try to stop the housing meltdown by going after the lenders. Unlike a lot of conservatives who supported the turncoat big Pharma, he was enough of a free trader to actually want to open markets for imports.
McCain would not disgrace the military men and women of this country or say that they are not fighting for a victory in Afghanistan or anywhere else.
And as for the immigration charge? Well I am sorry, but I don’t see Tancredo winning any nominations anytime soon. And now that Obama has won, we can be sure that the kind of bill McCain was supporting will look downright draconian in comparison to whatever Obama comes up with.
Now, if conservatives are tired of voting for people like this, then they need to a better job of selling their ideas and attracting leaders. Yelling at other people who would agree with on 90% of the issues, is not going to help.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
milwife:
I see, so the service to country is just so much crap.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I never attacked his service to this country and for you to assume so proves the depth of your intelligence. So I’m going to do you a favor and dumb this down for you, go really slow and try not to use really big words.
Ok, he is an “a”hole and a puss because any man who allows his female VP nominee and her family to be attacked not only by the MSM but members of his staff and did NOTHING to defend her. He allowed it to happen and there is no excuse for it.
milwife88 on August 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
What a weird thing to say. Sounds really lacking in rational thought.
What is it supposed to mean?
Itchee Dryback on August 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I VOTED for him, against obama and I CAN SCREAM ABOUT WHAT A WASTE HE WAS AS A CANDIDATE! You don’t like it, don’t look. But, don’t get all self righteous about voting and what not. If you can’t see what is right in front of you, you never will.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM
The smell of April 1775 is in the air.
bill30097 on August 25, 2009 at 5:39 PM
If McCain had led the fight against Bush & Obama on TARP I he would be president today. Remember he had taken the lead on the momentum of Sarah Palin when the ginned up fiscal crisis was announced.
bill30097 on August 25, 2009 at 5:43 PM
The tea partiers are moving the GOP to the right. If Crist wins Florida and a person other thatn Peter Schiff wins in CT then the GOP will pull do the same things they have always done. If the conservative standard bearers win then we might like what we see from the GOP.
Theworldisnotenough on August 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
HorentSting:
You can do whatever you like. But the bottom line is that he was the nominee because conservatives could not come up with anyone any better. And that is not his fault. That is their fault. They need to work on themselves and stop yelling at him, if they want to win in the future. That is all I am saying.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
This is NOT a defense of Obama by McCain. This is John McCain showing good table manners in an old fashioned way at a time when people are ready for a food fight. McCain makes clear that he fundamentally disagrees with Obama, but people at the Townhall want blood — understandably.
Phil Byler on August 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Thats an accurate claim…’cept for that gay stuff. :)
Itchee Dryback on August 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Farright ok..we now have McLame’s daughter helping the right on the lefty airwaves..what a deal. Also, on the third party, people have short tempers and short memories. The only hope for a change of direction for our country is an economic meltdown caused by The One’s coup de grace to the injured economy that has been bled for the last four decades or so.
IlikedAUH2O on August 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I guess that disastrous Shamnesty decision by McCain is probably the only reason we have been inflicted with Obammunism.
Jaibones on August 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Ok, he is an “a”hole and a puss because any man who allows his female VP nominee and her family to be attacked not only by the MSM but members of his staff and did NOTHING to defend her. He allowed it to happen and there is no excuse for it.
milwife:
A couple of things, if Palin was the VP, she was a heartbeat away from the presidency, she is not some little girl in need of rescue.
For another, McCain could not control the media, I am sorry to say they are out of control. As for his staff, we do not even know who these people were or if they were still employed by McCain. But the larger point is that he picked her, therefor his judgment was that she was up to the job of the Presidency if need be. Any attack on her, is an attack on his judgment.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I would like to see people elected that are not wealthy lawyers or part of a political dynasty. I would like to see hard working people with integrity stand a chance at office.
TXMomof3 on August 25, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Well put, amigo.
molonlabe28 on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Jaibones:
Oh, I don’t know. I was told that if conservatives fought that it would help them in 2006 and 2008, nothing so far. In fact if anything, it seems to have helped the Democrats.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
It’s not mccain’s fault that he ran a joke of a campaign and he can’t help but bend over for his friend’s across the aisle? Oh yeah, I forgot, he’s not a conservative….he doesn’t believe in personal responsibility. Blame someone else…
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
JetBoy on August 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Would you still feel the same way if Palin were on either the top or bottom of the presidential ticket?
KickandSwimMom on August 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Prediction:
The One will toss our foreign policy (two wars and other defense development) under the bus to pay for his redistributive programs. The added befefit will come from keeping all the investors who jumped on hedge funds or gold from making any money. How do I know? He hates me. *joke*
IlikedAUH2O on August 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
HornetSting:
And it is not the fault of movement conservatives who were so ready to trash McCain and his campaign to come up with a candidate they could support earlier in the campaign? I mean come on, they are not children.
You can say McCain ran a crappy campaign and complain about him day and night but that will do nothing to help move the party forward or come up with a winning strategy. It is just b*tch, moan and whine all the damn time.
I am not trying to be unkind or nasty or anything else, but come on…
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
But, kicking him and those LIKE HIM out of our party and replacing them with conservatives will.
What are you going to do when Mccain crawls over to the other side of the aisle and tries to do a ‘bi partisan’ healthcare bill. Terrye? Still defend him?
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
So true, KJ. They see themselves, like McCain, as erudite thinkers “steering a ship through troubled waters with dangerous, craggy shoals on either side”. The rest of us, those who take stands, are those craggy shoals, right and left of their ship.
The fact is, if the majority of the people then, who also were moderates, had prevailed over the 20% or so of the people who favored revolution at the time, we would not have defeated the King, nor the tyrrany. Throughout history, it doesn’t take a majority to win a revolution, and the last people you need are moderates anywhere near the fight.
Whenever I see self-described moderates and McCain with his obnoxious salutation, “My friends,” I think of the folk song…
The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
the answer is blowin’ in the wind.
TXUS on August 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
John McCain is too squishy to be our leader. He can follow however.
From Drudge, OT:
clorensen on August 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I think McCain is one of the most dangerous Republicans in the Senate right now. The Democrats are self destructing. The best thing is let them own this and get the blue dogs to vote against it. The second worse thing is to have them ram it down our throats and then all get voted out in 2010. The worst thing is if McCain and other “reaching across the aisle” Republicans work with Dems to pass a less onerous bill that ten years from now results in single-payer. McCain can take the wind out of all the tea parties and town halls to make himself look like the savior non-partisan. He’s done it before.
It really frosts me how the Republicans want to be so likeable to the opponents who trash them every chance they get. Like Coburn telling us at his town hall how he likes Obama and talks to him personally every few weeks. DON’T THEY REALIZE THAT THE DEMS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT?
Christian Conservative on August 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
As I recall, an awful lot of conservatives were energized during the amnesty battle two years ago too, choking congressional switchboards for weeks with angry phone calls. How’d that “revolt” work out at the ballot box last year?
Perhaps if we had actually had a conservative as the main part of the GOP ticket not some liberal wannabe’s daddy(meggymac) more people wouldve shown up at the ballot box. The fact is too many so called conservatives(allahpundit) backed the wrong GOP canidate in the primaries. SO shut the frak up ap you started this
Kevin43 on August 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
HE IS A RINO…THROW HIS LOUSY ARSE OUT OF OFFICE!!!
I put up with his lousy campaign in 2008 but I didn’t stand on street corners for him in a battleground state….we did it for our KIDS FUTURE.
Disgusting career politician!!!!!
PappyD61 on August 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Doctors ready to ‘just say no’
Majority won’t accept new patients under government plan
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/25/doctors-ready-to-just-say-no/?source=newsletter_opinion_headlines
President Obama has said over and over that if you like your doctor you’ll be able to keep your doctor. This is patently false. If a physician opts not to sign on to a government-run option, and the government-run plan is what you’re stuck with, you will lose your doctor. It’s as simple and as terrible as that.
izoneguy on August 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
IN FACT……THROW ALL OF THEM OUT….AND START OVER!!!!
Let’s see if they would get the message if that happened!!!
Since there are more Libs in Congress now than there would be in January 2011 under my plan let’s give that a try.
PappyD61 on August 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Lets be respectful?
I agree to a point. Sure.
We all want to be respectful of our leaders. But respect is a two way street. Respect is also earned.
Mr. McCain,, is this administration respecting the American people???
Is this Democrat controlled congress respecting the American people??
Are the Union thugs that Obama called out to push and shove protesters at town hall meetings respecting the American people???
Are the Obama death panels a sign of respect to the American people??
How about the act of prosecuting Americans who defended our homeland from terrorist attack?? Is that a sign of respect??
You corrected and reminded your constituents when they did a little booing, that Obama was our President and deserved respect. Have you even one time corrected or reminded Obama and the rest of congress the need to show respect for the American people??? Just curious.
JellyToast on August 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
+1000. How does Senator McCain vouch for President Obama’s sincerity? Does he not remember at least the broken campaign finance promise at the start of the campaign? The President’s sincerity is IN PLAY RIGHT NOW. Why does Senator McCain insist on vouching for that? No serious Democratic Senator vouched for President Bush when things got partisan. I did not see videos of President Bush telling detractors to “get out of the way” or that folks are “wee wee’d up”. Senator McCain is not the arbiter of sincere.
clorensen on August 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
I watched this today. I always have the FNC on while i am working. I took a break and watched this whole thing. Sometimes he was “off the reservation” with his typically squishiness, but often he was quite on point about things. Where was THIS McCain during the campaign last year?
I haven’t taken the time to read all of the comments yet but I am responding to allahpundits observation about why there are so many old people in the audience. This town hall was in Sun City, probably in their auditoriam over there. They have a really big community events place over there. Sun City is a 55+ only community built by Del Webb back in 1960. There is Sun City West nearby, which was built in the 1980′s with newer, nicer homes. Usually these places are fairly empty in the summer when the valley heat is 105 degrees daily, but full of snowbirds in the winter. He had a really good turnout there today, so probably a lot of the year’rounders showed up for this townhall.
The audience nailed him on a lot of uncomfortable questions, illegal aliens getting health care, border control, why the Republicans blew it when they were in charge regarding government growth, etc. You would think many of them were commenters here.
OK, now I will watch the videos above and read the comments to catch up on the points in this thread. I just wanted to add some context about the location.
karenhasfreedom on August 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
McCain looks so tired and old.
Death Panel anyone?
Sapwolf on August 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Death Panel Conclusion: He’ll be done in 2010.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Sapwolf:
Yeah, you could finish the job the North Vietnamese started.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Why did I vote for this guy in Nov 08? Oh, yeah. He was less of an libtard than the other guy…and a little reason called Sarah Palin ;)
Wolftech on August 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM
But, kicking him and those LIKE HIM out of our party and replacing them with conservatives will.
What are you going to do when Mccain crawls over to the other side of the aisle and tries to do a ‘bi partisan’ healthcare bill. Terrye? Still defend him?
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
You are missing my point entirely. You talk about personal responsibility, but how about some of that responsibility from some of the people for whom no one is pure enough, conservative enough, good enough?
If conservatives can find someone to run against McCain and beat him in a primary and that someone can actually win a general election..fine and dandy..do it. Yelling at me won’t make that happen. Trashing other Republicans won’t make that happen. The only that will make that happen is for conservatives to take responsibility and run qualified candidates that people can believe and identify with.
So far, all they do is blame everyone else. That is not a solution.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Woftech:
Well, be of good cheer, he lost…you won.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM
And btw, the GOP does have a health care plan, it is the same one that McCain supported in the campaign.
I think some of these guys really think the American people want some sort of bipartisan solution, but I have my doubts if the American people want anything but a time out right now.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM
I didn’t even want to have this conversation with you, Terrye. You started it when you started with your military accusation to me. I know your schtick on this subject. I dealt with it all last year. I don’t agree with you on this and never will.
McCain is done as far as I’m concerned.
When he betrays you and crawls across the aisle to create a ‘bi partisan’ healthcare plan, will you feel the need to defend him? Terrye?
I don’t trash republicans. I trash RINOS.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:24 PM
DID you NOT watch the townhall meeting? MCCAIN talked about working for healthcare reform with his ‘friends’ across the aisle……
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM
The apple Meghan didn’t fall far from the McCain. She spent so many years hearing her father bash republicans that it’s no wonder that she is a democrat. I doubt she even voted for her father in the last election. Honestly, when someone is a socialist and he got elected President, this is not a mere difference of principles about how to govern as McCain likes to say, but is a dagger pointed in the heart of the Republic.
I’m glad the crowd isn’t as brain dead as McCain is on this issue. If he had listened to the crowds last year rather than his democrap loving aides, McCain might be in office now. However, would there have been a distinct difference in policies or direction of the country, sadly, can’t say there would be.
eaglewingz08 on August 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM
No, I didnt win. 0bama still won. If McCain would have won, we would have been bad, but better off then we are now. Plus there would always be hope that he would not be able to finish his term and Palin could take over.
Wolftech on August 25, 2009 at 6:29 PM
HornetSting:
I know what he said. I think that McCain is one of those people who honestly think that people want bipartisan solutions. I don’t that is how a lot of people are feeling now..and I think that he is beginning to see that and that is why he said what he did about a peaceful revolt.
I did not say I agree with everything McCain did or said. I just think that the nasty personal insults, name calling, wishing he was dead, making fun of his service and all that are kind of tacky.
But hey, it is easier to call him names, than it is to really do the hard work of building support and winning elections.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Wolftech:
yes, you are right about that.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Works for me.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:33 PM
HornetSting:
Yep. But don’t worry, there will always be someone to blame.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:35 PM
BTW, you do realize you are a blog and we DISCUSS things. Right?
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:35 PM
You should know such things, Terrye.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:36 PM
HornetSting:
yes, I do realize that. I realize something else. I vote Republican. I consider myself conservative, not rabidly so but more so than most people.
One thing I have noticed is that when conservatives lose, they spend too much time blaming everyone else. I do not mean this as an accusation or even a criticism really. I mean that conservatives need to stop blaming others when they lose. They need to stop blaming the press, the Democrats, the moderates, the centrists, the left, the RINOs…they need to start being more responsible for their own failures and find better ways to win in this world.
McCain and Bush and Huckabee and even Palin have been scapegoats for too many people.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM
HornetSting:
I was raised to believe that you always treat a man who has served his country well with distinction and honor. That does not mean who have to agree with him, or vote for him or even like him..but I am sorry, I just can not call someone who spent years in a POW camp a lot of nasty and humiliating names. I think my parents would haunt me if I did such a thing. Sorry. It is a personal thing, you don’t have to like it.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 6:42 PM
You do realize you are on a blog and we discuss, we voice our opinions, and we get angry at those that have wronged us and yes, McCain has bent us over more than a few times….
If you don’t like the fact that people are angry with mccain and voice those opinions on this blog, maybe you should take up needlepoint.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM
I TOLD you not to go there, giving me your righteous indignation about ‘wronging’ a veteran. You have NO RIGHT! I don’t like a man that talks about serving his country with the same mouth he slams his country for trying to defend itself against enemies foreign, Gitmo and against illegal immigration, and domestic, the current administration.
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:46 PM
ChickaBOOMer: Obama Roto-Rooted At McCain Town Hall. MSNBC Cuts To Aspray Infomercial.
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/08/john-mccain-booed-for-defending-obama.html
StewartIII on August 25, 2009 at 7:00 PM
If he says “MY FRIENDS” one more time—!!!! Does this doddering old coot ever figure out what does and does not work in public speaking?
Obongo makes my blood run hot, McCain makes me icy cold. Let’s just kick McCain, Graham, Kennedy, Byrd, Reid and Franken out and call it even.
leftnomore on August 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM
THANK YOU! And I don’t care how long he was locked in a prison camp, he’s a terrible Republican.
leftnomore on August 25, 2009 at 7:05 PM
I’ve been reading the comments posted on this site for weeks. I agree with many of the comments regarding the left’s machinated push toward socialism and Marxism, the calamity of Obamacare, the revitalization of the right, etc.
What strikes me from a few of the earlier posts today, however, is the notion that anyone who merely leans right of center, or characterizes themselves as a moderate, is somehow just an ambivalent, stuck-up moron who hasn’t got the moxie to take a meaningful stand. So, let me get this straight. If an individual agrees with the vast majority of a particular political ideology, but holds an infinitesimal number of moderate views, then s/he is doomed to irrelevance, conceit, and inaction? I think not. Dante Alighieri once wrote: “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.” His point, I believe, wasn’t whether an individual remains steadfast to a single philosophy or not (red or blue), but rather, whether or not that individual can rise to action for the good of others in perilous times. Maintaining diverse attitudes and beliefs doesn’t relegate an individual to sit on a hot fence in hell. Nor does it suggest superiority. It simply means that while we may have a few divergent ideas, we can hopefully coalesce to defeat the left in 2010.
anXdem on August 25, 2009 at 7:06 PM
http://www.simcoxforsenate.com/
Kjeil on August 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
HornetSting:
I am just a commenter, I have no control over anything anyone else says. So go ahead, vent.
But I have the same right.
And it is not righteous indignation that makes me say what I said…I honestly feel the way I said.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:08 PM
I never said that people can not be angry…I just wonder if any of these folks feel even a little responsible for the fact that conservatives are out of power? Or is it all, McCain or Bush or whoever. Do the people themselves bear any real responsibility?
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
IF it is as you say an attack on his judgement they why not stand up for her and safe face for yourself as well.
Now, you next challenge is to try and justify him allowing the MSM to attack her children. I am sure you will have no problem due to the fact that you are a lib and you have no moral compass.
milwife88 on August 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Well, then don’t come at me with your self righteousness. You think you are the only one who’s parents taught you to respect the military? My father was drafted in Vietnam…I know the meaning of service, he is sick now because of it, so next time you stick your nose under my tent, expect some blowback….
HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
McCain is a kiss-ass to all who hate him and run down his party. As much as Obama is destroying this country, I’d almost prefer that to witnessing McCain take the Republican party down even further with his tripe. He is one of the old school Repubs that still thinks like a Democrat when it comes to dealing with terrorism or communism… play nice and they’ll return the favor. McCain: “We just have a difference in PHILOSOPHY”?? AWAY with him.
leftnomore on August 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Blame Democrats, blame Republicans. Personally, I blame me. I’ve allowed my Representatives to sit; fat, dumb and happy in Washington. Surrounded by babbling voices all saying the same thing, how can I expect my Rep or Senator to stay sane?
I don’t have a mom to call any more. Maybe I’ll call John Cornyn once a week.
applebutter on August 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
milwife:
Allowing the media to attack her children?? This is absurd, what was McCain supposed to do to control the media? Shoot them?
And he did defend her. Not as much as some people thought of obviously, but for Chrisake, Sarah Palin is a grown woman.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
No, he’s a country club status quo republican. He does a terrible impersonation as a conservative, though.
Fletch54 on August 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
HornetSting:
The fact that I do not want to call an old man who spent years in a POW camp a bunch of names does not make me self righteous.
Look at this thread. No wonder the damn Democrats control the government.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM
applebutter:
That is not a bad idea. I think my Congressman believes I am a stalker I bug him so much.
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM
leftnomore:
So, what are conservatives going to do about it? Rather than complain from a safe distance?
Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
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