Howard Dean: If you oppose ObamaCare, you’re undermining the country

posted at 6:10 pm on August 25, 2009 by Allahpundit

At first blush, I thought his point here was that undermining the president necessarily means undermining America — a stupendously ballsy argument coming from a guy who ran hard against “Bush’s war” in 2004. But no. What’s he’s saying, I think, is that it’s perfectly okay to oppose the president’s policies on the merits; opposing them simply in the interest of harming him politically, however, is verboten insofar as it requires “undermining America” to achieve your cynical self-interested end. Whether there are any lessons for the left in that diktat given their newfound quiescence about Iraq and deficits, I leave for you to judge. I’m more concerned with his supposition that the GOP is trying to kneecap ObamaCare simply to take down The One. Really, Dean-o? Under President McCain, a Republican Congress would be pushing a public option? There aren’t many statist programs I’d rule safely unsupportable by D.C. “conservatives” anymore but universal health care is high on the list. And even assuming a total betrayal, they’d be too petrified by the polls to follow through on it. Not only is Obama’s approval rating at another new low in Gallup today but the Pollster.com average of national polls has him below the water line at 49.9 percent. There are many reasons to oppose this boondoggle, in other words. Jim DeMint’s “Waterloo” rationale is but one star in a giant constellation.

Speaking of those deteriorating polls, though: Was Russ Feingold serious in telling an audience that “nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas”? Obama can’t afford to have this process drag on that long; the more people have to sit through his tired talking points about how you can keep your insurance, etc, the more aggravated they’ll get and the more support he’ll bleed (especially among seniors). They need to either pass it next month or table it soon and then bring it back later after something happens to boost his poll numbers — although the closer we get to the midterms, the more skittish the Blue Dogs will be. Barry’s running out of options. Click the image to watch.

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if the Democrats have turned to this maniac as their spokesman then they are ing big, big trouble.

rplat on August 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Howard Dean…..YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Let me be the first to say…….dissent is patriotic.
Your president’s policies are ruining this country.
And you suck, Dean. YEAHHHHHHHH!

HornetSting on August 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Obamacare died with the $9 trillion deficit annoucement. It was a quick, painless death.

lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I always suspected Russ Feingold was undermining the country.

mesquito on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Dr. Dean would be pulling the cord on Grandmas everywhere if he had his choice. How intellectually dishonest can you be Howard?

This guy is a real piece of work.

portlandon on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

shut up thug

bill30097 on August 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Howard Dean not all of america wants rationed health care that is good enough for me but not for thee.
By the way people that want to be elected are getting the message why can’t you?

Gracelynn on August 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I beginning to think they are looking for an exit strategy. Which means they are looking for a way to spin this to their base so they don’t get nuked at the midterms.

elduende on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Hey Dean, how do Obamas toes taste?

Lincoln Cadillac on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Howard who?

publiuspen on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

It’s fun for the shoe to be on the other foot huh? 7.5 more years of it and then you’re allowed to whine.

Scrappy on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Obamacare died with the $9 trillion deficit annoucement. It was a quick, painless death.

lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Unlike the slow agonizing deaths of the political careers of anyone stupid enough to try to push it through now.

gryphon202 on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Howard Dean… I mean, what more can I say about him other than what he says himself. Ridiculous.

And is it just me or does he look like an older version of the older brother from The Wonder Years?

Gatsu on August 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Speaking of those deteriorating polls, though: Was Russ Feingold serious in telling an audience that “nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas”? Obama can’t afford to have this process drag on that long; the more people have to sit through his tired talking points about how you can keep your insurance, etc, the more aggravated they’ll get and the more support he’ll bleed (especially among seniors).

I hope Hallmark is ready with a “Our last Christmas with Grandma” ornament complete with the Obama emblem on it. I’ll tell you, if this thing is still going on during Christmas, it’s dead. Family getting together for the holidays talking about the Death Panels….it won’t be pretty.

portlandon on August 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM

If you’re trying to figure out who the worst Doctor in the US is, don’t overlook “Dr.” Dean.

perroviejo on August 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Howard Dean is out to lunch.

And his lunch is going rather cold, sitting there approximately 300,000,000 light years away from Earth, in a rather remote galaxy.

Edouard on August 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Obama only wants to bankrupt us into national serfdom.

That’s not “undermining“… that’s destroying.

I’ll taking “undermining“, if it stops thatYEEEEHAHHH!

profitsbeard on August 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Ummmmmmmm………

…….. Hey Howard, do you remember this?

“I Am Sick And Tired – Hillary Clinton”

You obviously can dish it out……..

…….. but can’t take it, can you, punk?

Seven Percent Solution on August 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Not only is Obama’s approval rating at another new low in Gallup today but the Pollster.com average of national polls has him below the water line at 49.9 percent.

You are undermining the country by writing that, allah. Why did you have to say “below the water line”? Obviously, you want The Precedent to drown. That sort of incendiary rhetoric is dangerous and you should apologize for wishing such on The Precedent.

/Howard Dean … Yeeeeaaaaarghhh!

progressoverpeace on August 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM

No one but no one undermines this country like Obama.

fourdeucer on August 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Howard always looks like someone just shined a spotlight in his eyes and he’s not sure where the shot is coming from.

mchristian on August 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM

OT:

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009

FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000

MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000

LOL.

portlandon on August 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Tuck and roll Grannie, tuck and roll. For the good of the libtards, Grannie.

Ris4victory on August 25, 2009 at 6:19 PM

When the NY Times was writing about all the details of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, who were they undermining?

perroviejo on August 25, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Howard Dean is on record as being racist.

I don’t care what he thinks.

malclave on August 25, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Is he still a practicing doctor?

If so, I was wondering if I could schedule a rectal exam with him personally. I can’t think of anyone I would rather have playing around up there.

I’ll show him a shrinking party!

Jussi on August 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM

“Speaking of those deteriorating polls, though: Was Russ Feingold serious in telling an audience that “nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas”?”

You think we should trust the back half of McCain/Feingold?
Hell, I don’t trust the front half.

SKYFOX on August 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Hey Dean, how do Obamas toes taste?

Lincoln Cadillac on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Um, I don’t think toes grow from that area of the human anatomy.

jimmy2shoes on August 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Howard “YEEEAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!” Dean looks to have lost a lot of weight. Does anyone know if he is ill??? I want to give him the benefit of the doubt that mentally, he maybe unstable.

PappaMac on August 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM

And the Honduran Supreme Court is obviously stuffed full of anti-Obama racists, too, for backing Zelaya against the omniscience of The One…

One Against Many on August 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM

And this guy was actually a practicing doctor at one time. I bet the Breck boy, John Edwards, really loved him.

chemman on August 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Looks like the dim’s crazy uncle managed to find his way out of the attic again.

MB4 on August 25, 2009 at 6:22 PM

I am all for undermining Howie’s vision of America and what it can become.

Guilty as charged, you lying sack of steaming low-quality bull dung.

Want to make something of it, pantywaist? Come to a town hall someplace, see what people think of you. No, not a UNION hall, a town hall.

Harry Schell on August 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Howie Dean = Jet Screamer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaBEPlZ_Nw

Del Dolemonte on August 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Howard Dean: Democrat
Arlen Specter: Democrat
Nanzi Pelosi: Democrat

Barack Obama: Democrat

’nuff said.

ted c on August 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Why is it Howie’s face always looks like it belongs on a “ten most wanted” poster?

Rovin on August 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Obamacare died with the $9 trillion deficit announcement. It was a quick, painless death.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

That’s better than the country dying.

Chainsaw56 on August 25, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Please, please, please keep putting this guy on a live microphone.

Jim Treacher on August 25, 2009 at 6:24 PM

When the NY Times was writing about all the details of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, who were they undermining?

perroviejo on August 25, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Case rested.

misslizzi on August 25, 2009 at 6:24 PM

portlandon on August 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Isn’t it funny that Olberman could DOUBLE his ratings and still not break 4th place on that list….

Chris Mathews only gets ratings ‘cuz some healthclubs fix MSLSD on their TVs.

ted c on August 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Another communist spewing propaganda.

Our government is infected with communists from the top on down.

darwin on August 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM

“Dr” Howard Dean is the kind of assclown doctor that gives the rest of the medical profession a bad name.

pilamaye on August 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Another day another millionaire telling us what we need.
YAWN

tessa on August 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Was Russ Feingold serious in telling an audience that “nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas”?

Even though Feingold is one of the few lefties in congress who will tell the truth…I think he was just telling the audience what they wanted to hear to shut them up. Obama and the Dems are in a bind now…the more they push this, the more political capital the burn with 60% of the voters…and if they table it, their base will eat them alive. Verdict…they’ll keep on pushing it…they can’t afford to disillusion their brain-addled, hallucinating base.

AUINSC on August 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Has a country of people ever EVER been more anxious to race to the election polling places? I think not.

Marcus on August 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Howie Dean = Joe Biden with rabies.

MrScribbler on August 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM

this guy is a joke . he ran a state smaller than greater columbus ohio

CWforFreedom on August 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Obamacare died with the $9 trillion deficit announcement. It was a quick, painless death.
lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Quick? Painless? They’ve been beating this dead horse for over 3wks… it sure hasn’t been quick and it sure hasn’t been painless… just ask a few congressmen… I’m sure they would agree that it’s like a prolonged rectal exam with no jelly. ouch

ted c on August 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Howie Dean = Joe Biden with rabies.

MrScribbler on August 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM

ROFLMAO!

progressoverpeace on August 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM

If I oppose BarryCare I’m undermining the country?

BOA….look for an application for a extra-large backhoe. Please expedite.

Sincerely,

Limerick on August 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM

By all means Dean, Please keep telling folks how un-American they are for opposing socialism.

Guardian on August 25, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Howard Dean == This is your doctor on ObamaCare.

My collie says:

Questions?

CyberCipher on August 25, 2009 at 6:29 PM

ted c on August 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Yes, but only for democrats. Republicans came out of it lookin’ pretty good. But only cuz their kept their traps shut.

lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Howard Dean has been diagnosed with a terminal case of head up ass disease. I propose Obamacare. Take a pill and go die in the corner.

Kuffar on August 25, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Has a country of people ever EVER been more anxious to race to the election polling places? I think not.

Marcus on August 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Great question. Anyone at the RNC listening? Will there be enough ballots, and hours, in 2010?

Limerick on August 25, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Allah –

Does reposting count in your yearly review???

Odie1941 on August 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Some should remind Howard (the scream) Dean the nazis said the same thing. If we don’t do it their way we are undermining the country. Liars think they are always being lied to, thieves always believe they are being stolen from, and cheats believe they are being cheated. What these people accuse us of is what they are doing. When are we going to throw the bums out?

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on August 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Howard, would you please lay down in traffic already.

Viper1 on August 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Undermining the country. Darn I guess that’s another list I’m on.

HoustonRight on August 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Rush said this morning that Feingold’s statement was nothing but an attempt to make people relax so they can sneak this monstrosity through when no one is looking. People shouldn’t relax until the “health insurance” bill is dead, staked through the heart, and buried. And even then, we should stay alert. Like most bad bills, this one could rise like Dracula and bite us in the jugular when we least expect it.

hachiban on August 25, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Someone might want to inform Dean that his party controls 2 branches of government and that the GOP is not an obstacle to the liberal utopia.

And of course dissent is ok as long as it’s based on policy but it’s curious that anything said against ObamaCare – whether it comes from a conservative or a moderate – is decried as racist, extreme, inhumane, hateful, misinformed, and/or fake. The Dems love to pretend they want a debate but when the debaters show up they always resort to these despicable tactics.

gwelf on August 25, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Howard Dean’s not looking so healthy lately — whether he’s just not looking so good lately due to weight loss or some other reason, doesn’t matter, he still is not looking so healthy lately.

About Dean’s disasterous implementation of government-run “health care” in his state while he was Governor there (Vermont), notice that the Democrats never, as in, NEVER, refer to THAT government-run (“socialized medicine/public health care”) process for any reason. Because it’s caused a huge state budget disaster in Vermont, that’s why.

Dean’s plan for “health care” is based upon what he did in Vermont and that is, a coast-to-coast, one-option (as in, you have no other options) Medicaid-type “health care” process by which every American would be standing in long lines at their few public health centers waiting to get emergency surgery or treatment for a heart attack, somewhere in the next, say, 36 hours. Only don’t call it “public health” because that just gives Americans an accurate image of what would be anticipated.

Dean never mentions any of that, he just likes to brag that “everyone’s got access to health care” in Vermont. Never mentions just HOW that’s delivered or WHAT that refers to…meanwhile, it literally means that everyone there is enrolled in Medicaid, or, Dean’s renamed version of Medicaid.

Lourdes on August 25, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Howard Dean will have to drag that dead horse over the line, and he will look around and see that there is no one there to help him…

lovingmyUSA on August 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Undermining the country.


And what ELSE are the Democrats going to call Americans? They’re exhausting available pejoratives…

Lourdes on August 25, 2009 at 6:38 PM

What is bad is that Dean is giving mental illness a bad name.

Dhuka on August 25, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Slightly off topic, but, not really. It seems that Obama’s union thugs are now going after Sarah Palin because she has so effectively thrown a wrench in Obama’s plan to destroy America:

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.blogspot.com/2009/08/barack-obama-sends-out-union-thugs-to.html

gary4205 on August 25, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Howard Dean has been diagnosed with a terminal case of head up ass disease.

Kuffar on August 25, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Ohhhh, so THAT explains why Dean’s not looking so healthy lately.

Lourdes on August 25, 2009 at 6:39 PM

These people are not democrats and we need to stop calling them democrats.

They’ve planned and worked towards this for decades and will not give up. They have to be beaten back and driven out.

darwin on August 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Hey Dean, how do Obamas toes taste?

Lincoln Cadillac on August 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM

That is one nasty thought.

Back to the topic: I guess spending the country into oblivion will not undermine us?

TXMomof3 on August 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Dictator Style Speak,me thinks!!

Undermining=Subversive(*undermine an established government)

*(from,freedictionary)

Its the Liberal Party that is busy mining America,
pillaging from the tax payers!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on August 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM

“I hate republicans and everything they represent, I hate them”

From the Doctor of love and tolerance Howie THE SCREAM Dean!!!

jukin on August 25, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Back to the topic: I guess spending the country into oblivion will not undermine us?

TXMomof3 on August 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM

They want disorder and chaos. They want unemployment and high prices … all that makes their demand for more control over our lives easier to sell. Or so they think.

darwin on August 25, 2009 at 6:43 PM

I am deeply offended by the “Sweating the Oldies” banner at the bottom of the screen. I have 2 grandmothers both in their lae 80′s who this pile of crap is going to impact.

milwife88 on August 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM

The senator said again last week he did not think a “one-size-fits-all” approach would work as well as giving states program flexibility.

Russ Feingold is a rat bastard traitor but the comment above makes sense. He wants us to surrender in Afghanistan and wants GWB tried as a war criminal but, nevertheless, he shows the flexibility missing from the position of the filthy liar in the White House.

In short, healthcare reform should be about what makes sense yet the zero sum game being played by the administration only has one solution for all Americans and that simply doesn’t make sense when the challenges of healthcare are different in different parts of the nation. It is absurd to craft a plan that puts an individual living in a trailer in Alabama’s “black belt” in the exact same program as a college professor living in Boston.

highhopes on August 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM

It’s stunning how he can say this stuff with a straight face. That’s either academy award acting or sociopathic. I don’t see a third possibility.

ncborn on August 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Obamacare died with the $9 trillion deficit annoucement. It was a quick, painless death.

lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Good point; and, one could argue, the announcement could be seen as an opening move toward an exit strategy for the President.

1. Announce a fair bunch of economic bad news
2. Begin to distance yourself, gently from “the house plan,” “the senate plan,” or the “plans that the congress has been working on.” (Subtle shifts make it easy to bail out.)
3. Find something not to like; act surprised, even, that there’s stuff in there that, on review, doesn’t make sense.
4. Pretend, at last, to listen to conservatives, and blue dogs, about the flaws in the plans.
5. When the bus approaches, Nancy and Harry go under it. Rahm, David, Joe, and Barack live to fight another day.

Smooth, huh?

massrighty on August 25, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Desperate.

Terrye on August 25, 2009 at 7:02 PM

No Mr.Dean. Undermining the country, is trying to force a socialist health policy down the throats of Americans, without benefit of reading the bill first, or letting us read it first. Which was the intention of this, to begine with.

capejasmine on August 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Howard Dean has been diagnosed with a terminal case of head up ass disease.

Kuffar on August 25, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Recto-cranial inversion.

massrighty on August 25, 2009 at 7:04 PM

without benefit of reading the bill first, or letting us read it first. Which was the intention of this, to begine with.

capejasmine on August 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Must be repeated, over and over, until known by all, and remembered.

massrighty on August 25, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Dr. Dean, the face of ObamaCare?

clorensen on August 25, 2009 at 7:05 PM

What the hell is up with Dean’s face? He looks like more of a dick than usual! :)

NathanG on August 25, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Shouldn’t that be, undermining what the Progressives want the USA to be, a socialist pit just like every other banana republic.

In the glorious model of Venezuela, who now is running out of food.

tarpon on August 25, 2009 at 7:09 PM

5. When the bus approaches, Nancy and Harry go under it. Rahm, David, Joe, and Barack live to fight another day.

Smooth, huh?

massrighty on August 25, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Better than we are now.

clorensen on August 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Anything Dean says I’ve heard before. And watching him say it on Rachel Maddow’s snide, snark-filled, self-important toilet-wallow is never going to happen.

The nice thing is, Maddow’s national TV audience is about the size of Raleigh, North Carolina, meaning no one sees her outside of Greenwich Village in New York City and San Francisco/Berkeley. She preaches to a choir who never lets the facts get in the way of an opinion.

bradley11 on August 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM

HD: ArgghhhhArggghhhArggghhhh…..

madman extraodinaire

jbh45 on August 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Howard “YEEEAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!” Dean looks to have lost a lot of weight. Does anyone know if he is ill??? I want to give him the benefit of the doubt that mentally, he maybe unstable.

PappaMac on August 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I say he is ready to face the Death Panels any day now.

Norwegian on August 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Obamacare died with the $9 trillion deficit annoucement. It was a quick, painless death.

lorien1973 on August 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I’m tipping my 40 for my homey as we speak.

BPD on August 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Howard Dean = Irrelevant

Such a fool.

rlongstrat on August 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM

No Democrat bill ever unless it reduces government’s role. Obamacare is unconstitutional. I urge everyone with a D rep to send their Rep a copy of the Constitution.

DerKrieger on August 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM

When, oh, when will the Donkeys figure out that the enemy is Soros, not the people that vote R or comment here?

shaken on August 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM

The question is—would you trust a foot to Doc Dean if he needed to raise $30,000 for the DNC?

chickasaw42 on August 25, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Obama can’t afford to have this process drag on that long; the more people have to sit through his tired talking points…

I guess maybe politics isn’t TV… you mean his writers aren’t on their summer holiday and planning to come back next month with a new season’s worth of material?

Maybe he can convince the networks to let him interrupt an hour or two of the network premieres once his writing staff gets back…

gekkobear on August 25, 2009 at 7:37 PM

I refuse to watch that ignorant loudmouthed sanctimonious twit Rachel Madcow. She is a younger dumber version of Keith Olbermamaboy with boobs. Also that manly haircut of hers just screams….vegetarian.

BillaryMcBush on August 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM

If you oppose ObamaCare, you’re undermining the country.
.

Somewhere, a village is missing their idiot.

Ghostbuster on August 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM

I can’t I keep seeing this guy on TV to promot Obamacare. Does no one realize how badly he destroyed health care in Vermont, and how he sent all of the private insurance companies running for the hills?

RightWinged on August 25, 2009 at 7:49 PM

shaken on August 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Better…when, oh when, will the Donks just tell us what the country should look like? What are the rules? What are the laws? Why do they have to hide their vision of what ‘proper’ America looks like?

Cowards. The whole ninety-million-yards of them.

Limerick on August 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I’m tired of Republicans who mask as “Reagan Conservatives” playing nicey-nice with these clowns like Dean”

Get tough you gutless Republicans.

Call Dean what he is…..”delusional”.

I’ll say it again….the more I watch these losers on Capitol Hill and these career politicians I am convinced that we need…..MUST HAVE…..a house cleaning.

THROW THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE!!!

PappyD61 on August 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM

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