Videos: Specter calls for suspension, investigation for VA “death book”

posted at 8:48 am on August 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Chris Wallace dismantles the VA’s Tammy Duckworth over the reintroduction of the pamphlet “Your Life, Your Choices” in this Fox News Sunday interview yesterday. She followed the Wall Street Journal’s Jim Towey, who revealed the VA’s new directive from July that doctors use this book to discuss end-of-life care for vets with a variety of conditions. Wallace makes a great point when he asks Towey why doctors have to discuss end-of-life decisions when veterans are confined to wheelchairs or have emotional and financial issues when most people only consider those in cases of irreversible comas or the like. Duckworth tries to defend the indefensible, and gives it her very best effort:

The argument didn’t woo Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA), who showed up at Fox to debate health-care reform with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). Wallace started by asking about the VA program, and while Specter took care to praise Duckworth (herself a wounded vet), he also said he would demand an investigation of the booklet this morning when he returned to the Senate, and called on the Obama administration to immediately suspend its use:

Specter said that the current bill did not include any such booklet, but neither does the legislation authorizing the creation and maintenance of the Veterans Administration. It got imposed by the bureaucrats running the single-payer system, who apparently think that referring vets to the Hemlock Society is a pretty good idea. These are the kind of decisions that we’ll see in GovernmentCare, and we know that because (a) the decision has already been made by a version of GovernmentCare — the VA — and (b) Duckworth got on TV to defend this decision.


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I saw this yesterday and it made me sad for Arlen Specter; The guy’s lost it, he needs to retire and take himself off the stage.

anniekc on August 24, 2009 at 8:52 AM

How do you suspend something that even President Bush had no clue about?

It has been around since 1997 and was first being published via the V.A. administration in 2007.

This is a need for the V.A. to do an investigation with watchdogs. I.E. if they SEE anyone who has been shown to have voted on the publication of this, should be FIRED!

Dr. Pearlman should be the first. That guy is a waked out freak!

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Death Panels.

BPD on August 24, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Death Book – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ91iIyLiE4

debg on August 24, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Arlen Sphincter needs to retire.

Key West Reader on August 24, 2009 at 8:55 AM

If these people will push injured vets to suicide do you really think they give a damn about using death panels to off grandma. These socialist libs are pure evil. We must get louder and more in their face. This is disgusting. Then again it’s the same people who would like to bring unlimited government funded abortion to the masses. PURE EVIL!

The Bush administration ended this crap and it as started in the Clinton Admin…democraps equal evil. This stuff must be stopped by all means necessary!

jwp1964 on August 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

I saw this, and felt like spector was trying to earn some points with constituents, especially at the end when he re-emphasized his commitment to requesting a hearing.

It’s hard for me to believe spector is genuine about much nowadays.

therightscoop on August 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Arlen Sphincter needs to retire.

Key West Reader on August 24, 2009 at 8:55 AM

don’t insult sphincters, thank you.

blatantblue on August 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Specter is really flailing; wasn’t he one of the guys who was ready to vote for OgabeScare when it first hit, without so much as a perusal of its contents? NOW he wants an investigation?

Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 8:57 AM

From the WSJ:

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA’s National Center for

Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, “Your Life, Your Choices.” It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA’s preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated “Your Life, Your Choices.”

Bush did know about it.

piglet on August 24, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Benedict Arlen Spectacle is riding off into the sunset. He is so done. The epitome of the self-interested politician. Bye Arlen.

OH, This video, that features LAURA at the beginning is really generating quite a buzz. It’s now one of the three featured videos on the Mark Levin Fan Site, and it was just released 4 days ago. Over 60 “5-Star” reviews.

Silent No More

deedtrader on August 24, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Paul Ryan is wonderful, BTW, and adorable.

piglet on August 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM

The source is questionable, but the story sounds legit:

<blockquote>Up to 11,000 U.S. veterans may have been mistakenly infected with HIV

JiangxiDad on August 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Specter! Wake up . . . your sweet new political party wants to implement the identical policies and procedures for all of us. This dolt must live in a state of semi consciousness.

rplat on August 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM

It got imposed by the bureaucrats running the single-payer system,

That’s where the power lies. Congress can create a bureaucracy, but once created it will take on a life of its own and expand its power.

No to the public option because it will become the only option.

rbj on August 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Let’s ignore that this pamphlet has been in use, uncontroversially, for over 10 years, and that it was developed in consultation with ministers, etc.

That would get in the way of Captain Ed’s OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Coming to a counseling session near you!

Christian Conservative on August 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM

The most junior member of the Democratic Party caucus not named Al Franken sees a chance to woo back the senior vote in Pennsylvania and goes for it.

Specter may really feel outrage over the book, but my guess is if Wallace had brought this topic up six weeks ago, before the health care debacle began, Arlen would have been defending his new friends at the White House as much as Duckworth did.

jon1979 on August 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Arlen is full of it. This is a cynical attempt to win back conservative democrats who thumped him in the town hall.
This guy is slimey.

RobCon on August 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Well you must admit that if a vet is in this situation their usefulness to the country has long since past and it’s time for a trip to the glue factory. I mean, can we as citizens of Hopenchangesylvania really afford to have all these handicapped soldiers — or handicapped people period — rolling around in wheel chairs?

miles on August 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

What of the financial corruption story, that the VA administrators gave themselves bonuses amounting to hundreds of million$ while wounded and disabled vets are not getting their due checks, left still hanging in the wind of government corruption and the abuse of administrative antipathy?

maverick muse on August 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I liked Duckworth’s statement that the death book HAD to be used, because taxpayer money had funded it through a grant.

bradley11 on August 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Arlen seems like he just realized that he is the ugly girl who got invited to the prom as joke.

bloggless on August 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM

If this death book didn’t follow the administrations intent it wouldn’t have been reissued, and if this administration didn’t intend for the elderly to do the right thing and remove themselves from the equation or be removed it wouldn’t have become an issue in the health care debate either and secretary Duckworth spewing her WH provided talking points to defend a suicide brochure does nothing to assuage the rightfully concerned citizen either.

Speakup on August 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM

RobCon on August 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

At this point, EVERYONE is tap dancing away from Obama.

2010 Obama Shy

maverick muse on August 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Bush did know about it.

piglet on August 24, 2009 at 8:57 AM

go ask him. I am sure it was the adminiatration, not Bush.

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM

These are the kind of decisions that we’ll see in GovernmentCare, and we know that because (a) the decision has already been made by a version of GovernmentCare — the VA — and (b) Duckworth got on TV to defend this decision.

Why not send Duckworth and this program down to Gitmo?

Rovin on August 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM

It’s hard for me to believe spector is genuine about much nowadays.

therightscoop on August 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Coming off as genuine is tough to do when you jump parties for the stated purpose of staying in power.

I’d like to think that the Senate will look into this and force the VA away from encouraging vets to die sooner rather than later but, frankly, Specter has never been one of the outspoken advocates of doing right by the vets. This is nothing but a pre-emptive strike so that when Stasek trots out his military experience, Specter can say he was the one who was defending the vets.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:04 AM

I support the Hemlock Society and think that all Democrat Congressmen and Obama “administration” members, be referred to it, posthaste.

They need to do what’s best for the country.

NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Obviously single payer is a tremendous failure. We should just cancel the whole VA.

Wounded ex-soldiers no doubt would have an easy time getting excellent health insurance at completely reasonable rates. That’s the kind of customer that insurance companies fight over!

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

What has happened to our country? I remember the day when we were told that we owe our very lives and freedoms to those who have served this country. I remember when a vet was someone to be honored and respected no matter what. I was taught that when it comes to veterans no price it too high to pay. It shocks me when I hear how bad the VA is and to be honest it scares the hell out of me knowing that someday my husband could be subject to their “decision making”. Living in NW Florida and being stationed at this countries biggest base I see so many retirees and am reminded on a daily basis how much these men and women sacraficed for me and my family. For anyone to think that these men and women are not worthy of the best care we can provide sickens me beyond belief. I don’t care if they are in a wheelchair, use a walker, or whatever they need to make their lives a little more comfortable, they deserve it and have earned it in ways most Americans couldn’t imagine.

milwife88 on August 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

WH provided talking points=outright lies.

Speakup on August 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Arlen Sphincter needs to retire.

Key West Reader on August 24, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Don’t worry, he’s about to. Probably involuntarily on May 18th, 2010.

LastRick on August 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Is Paul Ryan related to the McFly family? He’s a sharp cat but give him some glasses and he’s Geo. McFly’s twin brother.

thomasaur on August 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

The death panel LIVES!

rbj You’re dead on about where the power lies. I work for the State and it is its own kingdom independent of any constraint or oversight. A State workers job is to KEEP HIS JOB not to do his job. 3/4 of all the government money is simply wasted on corrupt and incompetent bureaucrats. The future abortion regulations and hemlock regulations will be made by liberal socialist/fascists and imposed on us all.

I think we’ve found the new evil empire for the 21st century.

Mojave Mark on August 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I wonder… How many vets who have committed suicide had seen this book prior to their deaths????

I was amazed at Duckworth’s out and out lying and trying to blame the whole thing on the previous guest trying to sell a $5.00 book.

kringeesmom on August 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM

That would get in the way of Captain Ed’s OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Ed’s not the only one that is outraged that a phamplet authored by a guy who advocates physician-assisted suicide is being used. End-of-life discussions can be done without asking vets if life is worth living when they end up in a nursing home.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:09 AM

I asked my dad if they have talked to him up at the VA. He told me they tried and he shut them down. It is disgusting that they would ask about being a burden on your family. I love my family and would care for them in any condition.

TXMomof3 on August 24, 2009 at 9:09 AM

If you are dumb enough to believe that the VA is secretly trying to get vets to kill themselves, I feel like you should be forced to turn in your car keys and so on. You’re clearly too stupid to operate heavy machinery.

I mean, my god.

I heard if you wear these tinfoil hats, they protect you from the hypnotic power of the death book. Quick everybody, get your hats on!!

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Duckworth lost two legs in Iraq. I wonder how she would have felt if the VA told her to read that handbook. Just being given the handbook comes with a tacit suggestion that maybe you ought to consider the exit option. This is just wrong, and no one, especially a vet, should be given anything but encouragement and support to live his/her life to the fullest.

MADgirl91 on August 24, 2009 at 9:11 AM

End-of-life discussions can be done without asking vets if life is worth living when they end up in a nursing home.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Or missing more then one limb
Or finding out they have cancer
Or heart disease that was un-noticed
Or they are turned down for surgury (any sugury)

Or I can go on…. and it is freaking sick and revolting.

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 9:11 AM

I am SO OFFENDED BY THE TALK OF “DEATH PANELS”. THIS IS RACIST!

Cybergeezer on August 24, 2009 at 9:11 AM

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:11 AM

actually a Vet friend of mine who is a Vietnam Vet, just found out he has prostate cancer… possibly due to agent orange and the VA will not operate.

He was given the option ….. He is now drinking himself to DEATH. He only found out 3 weeks ago.

What the hell… lets kill them e-pirate.

Freaking jerk!

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Let’s ignore that this pamphlet has been in use, uncontroversially, for over 10 years, and that it was developed in consultation with ministers, etc.

That would get in the way of Captain Ed’s OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Uhhh…No. As others have quoted, it was *not* “use[d], uncontroversially, for over 10 years”.

The Bush administration became aware of its existence in 2001, and the Dept of Veterans Affairs suspended its use.

Only after Barry Soetero Barack Obama became President in 2009 did the VA resume use of this little book.

Now instead of mouthing off silly little snarky remarks, like a tosser who has nothing to add to a debate, how about you make an attempt to understand some things?

Try these two: that not only does the very existence of this book, and its use under the current administration (especially after having been suspended under the previous one) run completely in the face of the latest faux outrage demonstrated by Mr. “I’m offended at you, Sarah Palin, for accusing My Glorious Plan of having “death panels” in it!!!” Obama, but that this Administration focuses on “optics” more than any other – and how on Earth does anyone expect the Government’s use and tacit endorsement of this book to play with the most active voting bloc in the country – senior citizens???

/idiot

Wanderlust on August 24, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Arlen seems like he just realized that he is the ugly girl who got invited to the prom as joke.

bloggless on August 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM

So mean, so funny, so true.

anniekc on August 24, 2009 at 9:16 AM

If these people will push injured vets to suicide do you really think they give a damn about using death panels to off grandma. These socialist libs are pure evil. We must get louder and more in their face. This is disgusting. Then again it’s the same people who would like to bring unlimited government funded abortion to the masses. PURE EVIL!

The Bush administration ended this crap and it as started in the Clinton Admin…democraps equal evil. This stuff must be stopped by all means necessary!

jwp1964 on August 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Here, here…I completely agree

Jeff from WI on August 24, 2009 at 9:17 AM

At this point, EVERYONE is tap dancing away from Obama.

maverick muse on August 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM

racists /sarc off

lyfsatrip on August 24, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Specter is a PIG

toongoon on August 24, 2009 at 9:19 AM

2 thoughts:
1) Specter would rather be outraged (OUTRAGED, I say) than have to defend the health care bill.

2) The VA lady should have just told the truth. It’s about money.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Why would you even discuss suicide with someone in such a vulnerable place? It is downright cruel and evil to put this kind of pressure on them, especially when they put everything on the line for this country.

And this notion that it’s just about giving vets information is BS. They need the VA to remind them of all the things they feel bad about? Aren’t they supposed to help these Vets feel better?

This is all about saving money on the backs of people this administration at best doesn’t care for much. And does anyone really think this type of prodding wont be extended to the rest of the population under Obamacare?

The left’s obsession with the death of those in deems “a burden on the system” is just sick.

RadClown on August 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Wanderlust on August 24, 2009 at 9:14 AM

I heard its even worse that we feared!

Instead of killing off the senior citizens, Obama plans to keep them alive and suck energy from them, using them like helpless human batteries. Then he will also accomplish his goals of bankrupting the noble oil companies. Look, here is undeniable photo evidence of Obama’s plan.

Thank God the patriots at HotAir.com aren’t willing to believe the “rational” explanations are can see through the lies to the secret, horrifying truth.

Keep fightin the good fight guys.

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The death book should be required reading for all senators and congressmen, starting with Specter.

TXUS on August 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM

If they go nuclear option does that mean “reasonable debate” is over?

toongoon on August 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM

If they go nuclear option does that mean “reasonable debate” is over?

toongoon on August 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Since Obama wanted a bill done in 3 weeks, was there ever any intent of “reasonable debate”?

ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 9:24 AM

confined to wheelchairs

This was un-PC before there was PC.

corona on August 24, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Obama is probably thinking up some euphemism right now:

Mortality boards sounds so much better.

Which would you prefer for your Office (Oval or not)?

Panelled with death, or fitted with nice, snug mortality boards?

Comes in very knotty pine!

profitsbeard on August 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM

The death book should be required reading for all senators and congressmen, starting with Specter.

TXUS on August 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Surley we can forward a copy to e-pirate also?

Katfish on August 24, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Alen said that Duckworth held her own…meaning that she was a good deceiver and dodger?
Apparently “holding your own”, by senate standards means that you stick to wrong statements, ill plans, and deception when faced with opposing facts…other words, he honors liars…

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Their are some democrat Senators and congressman that may need this book in the next few years…

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 9:29 AM

And one more thing…how many times was did Duckworth say “for 5 dollars”, she was coached to the point of being obnoxious.
She acts as if that her “booklet” hadn’t been paid for by tax money and as she admitted, public grant money.

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 9:31 AM

OT…this from Fred Barnes…

Republicans Have Obama Playing Defense
The GOP strategy of principled opposition is winning over independents

This would imply that Repub’s actually DID do something about the outrage. Get a clue Barnes….it’s the PEOPLE..THE PEOPLE STUPID who did something and the Repug’s got a “tingling feeling up their leg”. Now they are riding the bandwagon because Obie’s numbers are tanking. Where in the hell is our leadership??? Won’t SOMEBODY PALEEEEZE step up to the plate???

lyfsatrip on August 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM

What of the financial corruption story, that the VA administrators gave themselves bonuses amounting to hundreds of million$ while wounded and disabled vets are not getting their due checks, left still hanging in the wind of government corruption and the abuse of administrative antipathy?

maverick muse on August 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Well, it certainly looks like Tammy Duckworth bought herself a facelift. Her skin is stretched so tight that she can’t close her mouth fully. She hisses like a snake. If that was her best effort at defending the indefensible, then the Obama administration needs to step up its A game. Duckworth was coached to drop Bush administration names repeatedly, deliberately confuse dates and just lie till her face falls off. Oh, and the talking points. Always emphasize budget increases without specifying programs and “honor their service… “

alliebobbitt on August 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Let me get this straight:

· Obama’s health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it,

· passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it and whose members will be exempt from it,

· signed by a president who smokes & admits to past illegal drug use,

· funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,

· overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,

· and financed by a country that is broke.

What could possibly go wrong? Now we find out they are also urging our most patriotic sector, our wounded vets, to ponder assisted suicide through guilt inducing booklets. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!

Ris4victory on August 24, 2009 at 9:34 AM

“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.”

DJ Elliott on August 24, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Since Obama wanted a bill done in 3 weeks, was there ever any intent of “reasonable debate”?

ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 9:24 AM

To provide the Clintonian answer, it depends on what you mean by reasonable debate. The filthy liar in the White House views reasonable debate as the Demcorats getting together, cutting a deal, and forcing stuff through on a purely partisan basis. The only contentious issues are how much to soak the public for in new taxes and how much they they can funnel to ACORN, the unions, and the other special interests.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Arlen Specter, Phil Spector, In-spector Clouseau… it’s all good.
…Wait…no…maybe not…

whitetop on August 24, 2009 at 9:37 AM

If I become a vegetable, I hope someone would steam me rather than boiling, and maybe spice me up with a little cilantro.

Rhinoboy on August 24, 2009 at 9:37 AM

E-Pirate:

What is the point of this book if not to try and persuade wounded vets to kill themselves?

Why would you possibly support such a thing?

Your knee jerk support of this is very telling.

And, nobody is saying that the VA should be done away with – it needs to be fixed. the Vets actually earned gov’t paid care for their injuries.

Instead, we point to the VA (and medicaid and medicare) as proof that gov’t run health care is a disaster and we should subject as few people to it as possible.

Also, the fact that a gov’t run program would issue a book that’s only purpose is to attempt to persuade injured vets to kill themselves demonstrates what single-payer health care would devolve to as the gov’t started rationing care (which would have to happen).

Your claims of “Bush knew” and this program has been around for 10 years are both factually incorrect and hardly a defense of this even if it were correct.

1st all of the press on this have pointed out that when the Bush White House got wind of this book, they stopped it from being used. Obama’s administration reinstated the use of the book.

Second, just b/c something has been done w/o being widely known does not make it right. The idea that you claim this as a defense of the indefensible is outrageous.

There is absolutely no justification for the gov’t to ever counsel anyone to commit suicide. It’s not even o.k. for the gov’t to give information to people about suicide as an “option.” the fact that you, or anyone on the left finds this not just o.k., but a wise policy, is outrageous.

Monkeytoe on August 24, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I would encourage all to watch the entire Wallace-Duckworth interview as an object lesson in liberal/leftist technique.

It is jaw-droppingly astounding how someone can blatantly lie like that when confronted with facts.

And that is clearly the modus operandi of leftists in general, and the Democrats/liberals/Obama administration in particular.

I think that their modus operandi is a result of the left’s philosophy that the ‘ends justify the means’ coupled with fundamental amorality and zero regard for truth.

justltl on August 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Obama is probably thinking up some euphemism right now:

Mortality boards sounds so much better.

profitsbeard on August 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM

That’s still too much like death panels. It will probably be called something like “life coaching” with the grim reaper in the role of coach.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Yeah. To democrats debate means how much they agree among themselves to screw the american people and defeat any opposing voice. They all belong in hell.

toongoon on August 24, 2009 at 9:41 AM

It is jaw-droppingly astounding how someone can blatantly lie like that when confronted with facts.

justltl on August 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Let’s not forget something important here. Duckworth and her boss are both veterans who have betrayed other veterans by their actions.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Monkeytoe on August 24, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Useless to try to reason with a lefty troll…like vermin they should just be exterminated with extreme prejudice.

jwp1964 on August 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM

e-pirate on August 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM

You had your chance to make a Soylent Green analogy and blew it. That movie would have been far more appropriate to the discussion, if you had taken but a moment to think.

Meanwhile I hope you don’t work in a profession that requires you to examine issues logically and in depth.

But do keep up the snark, at least if you can manage to snark with actual wit. Otherwise, to quote our dear President, I wish you would just shut up.

Wanderlust on August 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Hmm,

Fewer vets, would mean fewer vets voting Republican.

Maybe that’s why Obama is pushing this new plan.

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Look,

Obama himself said that decisions were going to be made based on useful life left – such that instead of a hip replacement grandma would get a pain pill.

He said that, so it is pretty clear that he meant it.

Which means – the “cost savings” he so vaguely claims he is going to have from “bending the curve” is rationing care to the sick and elderly. there is no other way to interpret his various statements or the “end of life counseling” section of the bill that was included in the COST SAVING section of the legislation.

You have to be an idiot not to understand that when the gov’t takes over health care, it will have no choice but to ration care – it will not be able to afford to give high-end quality care to everyone. Thus, it will have to make decisions about who gets what care. there is not other way for the gov’t to control costs.

For example – if the gov’t decides to pay hospitals and doctors less to control costs – there will be less doctors and hospitals. therefore, less providers for the same number of patients.

Any way you slice it – care will have to be rationed by the Govt. And, Obama has already made clear in his statements how he intends to do that – refuse treatments to older people – instead just give them a pain pill.

Monkeytoe on August 24, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Let’s not forget something important here. Duckworth and her boss are both veterans who have betrayed other veterans by their actions.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Indeed.
Which brings up another point that has always fascinated/disgusted me: nothing, and I mean nothing, is more important to a liberal than liberalism. It trumps all other bonds.

justltl on August 24, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I’m surprised Anninca has not shown up here to tell us about her veteran father that was in pain and this booklet led him to the correct choice and therefore we need universal health care.

Monkeytoe on August 24, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Arlen should have been FORCED to retire from politics long ago.

TERM LIMITS.

poppieseeds on August 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM

“You had your chance to make a Soylent Green analogy and blew it. That movie would have been far more appropriate to the discussion, if you had taken but a moment to think.”

12 year-olds don’t have that as part of their cultural vocabulary.

ebrown2 on August 24, 2009 at 9:52 AM

don’t insult sphincters, thank you.

blatantblue on August 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

+1

SouthernGent on August 24, 2009 at 9:54 AM

No shame. No honor.

publiuspen on August 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM

nothing, I mean nothing, is more important to a liberal than liberalism. It trumps all other bonds.

justltl on August 24, 2009 at 9:48 AM

It’s not the liberalism it is the control. God forbid human beings would be allowed to think and act for themselves. The left sees us all as little children who need protection by the “smart compassionate people” such as the filthy liar in the White House.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Let’s ignore that this pamphlet has been in use, uncontroversially, for over 10 years

Yeah, ignore it. Like medical researchers ignored the use of black men in STD experiments in the 40′s. After all, it wasn’t “controversial”.

GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 10:07 AM

You see, leftists have no rules.
This has been a source of frustration and befuddlement for conservatives, who by their nature, value the principles and rules of the game.
For conservatives, the ends do not justify the means.

It is like playing chess with an opponent to whom the rules of the game are of no importance.

And the leftist revels in the fact that the conservative is restrained by his very own rules.

justltl on August 24, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I saw this yesterday, twice, and I don’t understand some of the comments above for two reasons.

First, Specter is a loser, and maybe he should have been on top of this long ago as a member of a committee that overseas veterans matter, but on the heels of Duckworth’s lame defense, I got the impression that Specter was going to be inquiring into this matter post haste. All Ryan had to do was sit there and grin with a look suggesting, “See, even Dems don’t agree with ghoulish Obama policies.” Maybe Specter didn’t act as most liked, but I enjoyed seeing a Dem (even the squishy Specter) turn on a policy lauded by Dems.

Second, I just got finished watching Jonah Goldberg get interviewed about this subject on Fox. He mentioned something that occurred to me yesterday: Duckworth was either woefully uninformed or not telling the truth. Either way, I think that blame needs to blow back on the Obama administration. What were those clowns thinking? “Let’s send a female veteran who got her legs blown off to lie on a Sunday talk show. Chris Wallace will go easy on her.” I think this was an example of Obama’s administration trying to use a human shield. I think it was disgraceful and pathetic. Duckworth shouldn’t be absolved, but she clearly had marching orders to stick to a nonsense story–and she looked ridiculous doing so.

BuckeyeSam on August 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Why would you even discuss suicide with someone in such a vulnerable place? It is downright cruel and evil to put this kind of pressure on them, especially when they put everything on the line for this country. …

RadClown on August 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Much of the death books list of items would fall under the category of “clinical depression” if it was outside of the VA’s purview.

Now, just try to imagine if a private insurance company or a hospital sent out a brochure to non-veterans suffering from disability and/or depression counseling them on options for ending their lives. Any guesses as to how long it would take Democratic pols to run to the microphone to denounce those evil capitalist firms for trying to get people to end their lives in order to improve their own bottom lines?

jon1979 on August 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Monkeytoe on August 24, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Don’t summon the beast.

Upstater85 on August 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I saw this yesterday, twice, and I don’t understand some of the comments above for two reasons.

First, Specter is a loser, and maybe he should have been on top of this long ago as a member of a committee that overseas veterans matter, but on the heels of Duckworth’s lame defense, I got the impression that Specter was going to be inquiring into this matter post haste. All Ryan had to do was sit there and grin with a look suggesting, “See, even Dems don’t agree with ghoulish Obama policies.” Maybe Specter didn’t act as most liked, but I enjoyed seeing a Dem (even the squishy Specter) turn on a policy lauded by Dems.

Second, I just got finished watching Jonah Goldberg get interviewed about this subject on Fox. He mentioned something that occurred to me yesterday: Duckworth was either woefully uninformed or not telling the truth. Either way, I think that blame needs to blow back on the Obama administration. What were those clowns thinking? “Let’s send a female veteran who got her legs blown off to lie on a Sunday talk show. Chris Wallace will go easy on her.” I think this was an example of Obama’s administration trying to use a human shield. I think it was disgraceful and pathetic. Duckworth shouldn’t be absolved, but she clearly had marching orders to stick to a nonsense story–and she looked ridiculous doing so.

BuckeyeSam on August 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Taken in a vacuum, Specter’s comments were actually pretty goof. But as I said above, my problem is that I don’t know if they’re from the heart, or just Arlen trying to bounce back from his Town Hall and recent polling disasters by trying to grab an issue that resonates with Pennsylvania voters. Had this come out six weeks earlier — before the eruption of opposition over health care — I suspect the “death book” would have attracted far less scorn from Spector, who might have sounded like Duckworth trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear in order to curry favor with the White House.

jon1979 on August 24, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Good Headline: Obama tries to put down Vets.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 24, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Taken in a vacuum, Specter’s comments were actually pretty goof.

“Good”, not “goof”. Freudian slip on the keyboard, though as typos go, it’s hard to argue this is really all that inaccurate…

jon1979 on August 24, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Specter is a national embarrassment. “There is no bill,” (even though the House bill has been posted on the net by the House itself) apparently means there’s no bill until they pass one, which we will not see in advance — like the House Cap & Trade. And the protesters, were “organized” so therefore, they weren’t real — like the SEIU thugs are real, I suppose.

And Duckworth’s got the Obama/Chicago spin down pat — repeat a lie over and over, while accusing your critics of having ulterior motives. And blame Bush.

Nichevo on August 24, 2009 at 10:19 AM

It’s not the liberalism it is the control. God forbid human beings would be allowed to think and act for themselves. The left sees us all as little children who need protection by the “smart compassionate people” such as the filthy liar in the White House.

highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 10:02 AM

True.
Leftists, of course, view themselves as highly superior to we, the common rabble.
It is for them to decide what constitutes the common good.

This is why, on a day to day level, they are such ‘pleasant’ people to deal with. Nothing is more enjoyable than dealing with a smarmy, arrogant, condescending, busybody elitist.
The poster children who fit this bill include Olberman, Garafalo, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Schumer and countless others of their ilk.

justltl on August 24, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Specter is a PIG

My pig’s lawyer will be contacting yours soon about that slander…

karl9000 on August 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Specter knew all about this.He ‘s lying and he’s a steaming piece of human excrement for the insult to veterans.

Jeff from WI on August 24, 2009 at 10:39 AM

It might be worth actually reading
the “death book” before getting hysterical.

It is inappropriate to advise people to kill themselves, giving them the book as a guide, but the book itself is mostly neutral, IMO. The reference page (52) is biased but page 22 on “Personal and spiritual beliefs” is something of a counterpoint.

gh on August 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Arrhhh Maties – Whar did that E-Pirate be goin? Once these here shipmates started knockin down he’s arguments, ee disappeared like walkin off da plank. Ee couldn’t be havin a job with that kind o thinkin. Must be off to find some clean scrubs after wettin ee’s self wid embarrassment.

That said, Specter better be toast in May. The addled should not be elected to public office in order to publicly humiliate them on a regular basis. It just isn’t nice.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 24, 2009 at 10:45 AM

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