Shhh: Obama to continue rendition program for terrorists
posted at 4:45 pm on August 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
We already knew he was using “rendition-lite,” where instead of capturing detainees and then transferring them to foreign agents, U.S. intel would lead those agents to the suspect and let them make the bust themselves. Looks like we’re going to drop the “lite” now and go with the supersized version.
Rest assured, though, there won’t be any torturing done. Would shadowy foreign operatives lie?
The administration officials, who announced the changes on condition that they not be identified, said that unlike the Bush administration, they would give the State Department a larger role in assuring that transferred detainees would not be abused.
“The emphasis will be on insuring that individuals will not face torture if they are sent over overseas,” said one administration official, adding that no detainees will be sent to countries that are known to conduct abusive interrogations…
“It is extremely disappointing that the Obama administration is continuing the Bush administration practice of relying on diplomatic assurances, which have been proven completely ineffective in preventing torture,” said Amrit Singh of the American Civil Liberties Union, who tracked rendition cases under President George W. Bush.
She cited the case of Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian sent in 2002 by the United States to Syria, which offered assurances against torture but beat Mr. Arar with electrical cable anyway.
The Obama task force proposed improved monitoring of treatment of prisoners sent to other countries, but Ms. Singh said the usual method of such monitoring — visits from American or allied consular officials — had also been ineffective. A Canadian consular official visited Mr. Arar several times, but the prisoner was too frightened to tell him about the torture, according to a Canadian investigation of the case.
Stupid question: Isn’t the whole point of rendition to apply pressure to a detainee that couldn’t legally be applied in your own jurisdiction? If so, what’s to be gained by sending them to countries that don’t practice enhanced interrogation? Better to keep them here and let Obama’s new A-team sweet-talk them, no? Maybe The One wants rendered detainees to think they’re in for a rougher time from foreign agents, whose intimidating reputation might be enough to soften them up. But if that’s the case, how is rendition substantially different from, say, the CIA’s empty threat to harm Khaled Sheikh Mohammed’s kids? If fear is torture, isn’t the mere threat of harsh treatment implicit in rendition a form of torture too?
Meanwhile, in totally unrelated breaking news, Holder’s set to appoint a special prosecutor for CIA interrogators who threatened detainees. Exit question: Does that explain why they’re retaining rendition? After all the self-flagellation from the left about enhanced interrogation, now replete with the prospect of criminal charges against American intelligence, terrorists know perfectly well they have nothing to fear from being in U.S. custody. Jordanian custody, however…










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a clock is right twice a day. but barry still sucks.
moonbatkiller on August 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM
We must have rendition to third-party interrogators if we’re going to prosecute our own. Duh.
Akzed on August 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM
It’s amazing what can happen when reality sets in.
Tony737 on August 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM
LOL! The leftists are gonna blow the last gasket. Hope and change!
elduende on August 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Shouldn’t that be “ensuring”?
Or will the terrorists get Obama care?
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM
129 days till Gitmo is closed or Obama comes up with one hell of an excuse.
WashJeff on August 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Bwwwaaaaahahaha
http://www.bing.com/search?q=obama+“war+criminal”&go=&form=QBRE&filt=all&qs=n
29Victor on August 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
continue Bush policy but throw a bone to the left.
rob verdi on August 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Torturer in Chief Ogabe.
Let’s see if Amrit Singh and the rest of the ACLU decide to actually make an issue out of this, or if they will quietly let it slide as I suspect.
CodePinko, MorOn.org, Human Rights Watch….where for art thou?
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Don’t give Piglosi any more ideas!
Laura in Maryland on August 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Instead, detainees will have to listen to 12 hours per day of Dear Leader’s speeches.
Wait, Syria lied? Man, I don’t believe in nothing no more.
rbj on August 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Lighting candles at the alter of O.
Laura in Maryland on August 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Holder’s set to appoint a special prosecutor for CIA interrogators who threatened detainees.
I wonder what kind of enhanced interrogation these poor souls will get.
fourdeucer on August 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM
The terrorists would rather be waterboarded.
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
sic holder on him….
jbh45 on August 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
They would opt for rendition.
WashJeff on August 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Most of them don’t really care about these foreign policy decisions. The war in Iraq, Afghanistan…the fight against terrorism, etc. It was always a handy cudgel to use against a sitting Republican President. Code Pink is unloved by everyone now and Cindy Sheehan has been told to step off the stage. No more photo ops for you.
The Democrat base will cheer them on when it comes to prosecuting CIA “misdeeds” from the previous administration, but aren’t concerned about what’s going on overseas at the moment…except for how it’s framed.
Asher on August 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Nah, this isn’t ‘rendition’ it is ‘release’.
Skandia Recluse on August 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM
And yet, we get this from Gibbs today: “The President has said repeatedly that he wants to look forward, not back, and the President agrees with the Attorney General that those who acted in good faith and within the scope of legal guidance should not be prosecuted. Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General. “
ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Waiting for Daily Kos, Huffington Post, FireDogLake et al to begin blanket screaming and hyperventilating about this ILLEGAL and IMMORAL action taken by the
RepubDemocrats that leads other nations to hate us and lowers our stance in the world’s eyes.Because all I’ve heard so far is…
]cricket[
]cricket[
Skywise on August 24, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I’m with you on this usage, but having once looked this up I learned that “insuring” “ensuring” and “assuring” are essentially interchangeable.
On the political front, I’ve been a little bummed about Obama and the civil liberties thing for some time. I think he’s been hemmed in by the right. If, God forbid, there is any terrorist action in the U.S. (and there will be, some day) he will be accused of being soft on terror, so he has to continue the very policies that help recruit terrorists in the first place.
Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Of course…but armed members of the Black Panthers threatening voters outside of polling places on election day? No problems there at all.
AUINSC on August 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Well, if would-be detainees are reading Hot Air, then they’ll know that they’re not in for a rougher time from foreign agents.
blink on August 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Whatever dries your tears, darlin’, whatever dries your tears…
ladyingray on August 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Bring on the comfy chair!
rbj on August 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Point taken but there is some damage done. Take Sheehan’s example, there are tens of thousands like her that “believed” in the cause, having them “disillusioned” will dampen turnout in elections and the enthusiasm for the left, an enthusiasm gap on the right was what got Obama elected in the first place.
The cynicism will hurt with the true believers.
elduende on August 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM
How’s the kitty doing, AP?
lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Hey look over here at those CIA guys that threatened detainees that killed 3000 innocent people in one day…
d1carter on August 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Classic misdirection to get our minds off Healthcare Reform and placate the Far Left.
kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Meanwhile:
CIA interrogators threatened to kill the children of one detainee at the height of the Bush administration’s war on terror and implied that another’s mother would be sexually assaulted.
Grow Fins on August 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM
OT:
Glenn Beck is about to get on a roll…
d1carter on August 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Ooooh, that’s much worse than Obama sending detainees to a 4th world Middle Eastern craphole for torture!
Chuck Schick on August 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM
First you said “if” and then you said “and there will be, some day”; so which is it?
As for policies that help recruit terrorists, Ogabe continuing them would make him responsible for American deaths in terrorist attacks, and all because he was more concerned about politics. Pretty sad.
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Crap! Glenn Beck is going nuclear on everything. “am i hateful????”
definite quote of the day.
battleoflepanto1571 on August 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM
My heart bleeds for terrorists being told bad things will happen if they don’t cooperate :(
*trying to care*
failed
lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM
On 9/12/01, I would have done it myself…
d1carter on August 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM
This has to be a healthcare smoke-screen
Hunt035 on August 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM
What was that popping sound. Look at those progressives their heads are exploding, or are they. Looks like we’ll find out if they truly opposed rendition or if that was simply an issue to attack George W.
DFCtomm on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Grow Fins on August 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Did they follow through with it? No. The Detainees would. Their fellow barbarians did. When trying to get life-saving information from a barbarian, what would you do? Read Emily Post first? Then again, maybe you could keep them up for days, making them listen to Obama speaking without a teleprompter. That might do it.
kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
No! Oh dear Gaia NO!
You ever heard a police interrogator describing to a perp what will happen to them in prison?
You libs make me laugh with your faux outrage.
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Obama promotes leaving infants out to cry themselves to death. but no Muslim terrorist will be threatened, become wet or be insulted.
Hening on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Maybe George Bush should have hired the Black Panthers to do the interrogations. They apparenly have some kind of immunity, according to Eric Holder.
AcidReflux on August 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Of course it is. It’s a topic change.
lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
You can be sure it is being used to throw some red meat to the rabid left as a means to get them re-engaged. They need some hope that is not deserting them.
ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
1. I linked that story in this very post.
2. What do you mean, “meanwhile”? Where’s that snarling lefty rage about rendition that we know and love so much?
Allahpundit on August 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Yeah, who cares if the CIA threatens to murder children and rape mothers. And you accuse liberals of having skewed morals? Sheesh.
Grow Fins on August 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM
So ACORN and SEIU goons sent in by Obama to instill ‘fear’ into average Americans protesting against their politicians is torture………
……… I got it now. Thanks AP, let the investigations begin!
Seven Percent Solution on August 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Obama is truly the TIC (Thimbleriger in Chief).
MB4 on August 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Who would be Col. John “Hannibal” Smith?
“Hannibal’s on the jazz”
juanito on August 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Grow Fins on August 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Answer AP. Why aren’t you morally superior Libs coming out about Obama’s rendition policy?
kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM
ALLAHPUNDIT,
This post is a distortion. You are referring to the article in the New Yorker by Scott Horton that said Obama was continuing renditions.
Only the rendition he did brought the subject to the U.S. for trial.
Obama has made it clear that he is stopping extraordinary renditions.
Spathi on August 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Also there is nothing wrong with renditions.
It is extraordinary renditions that we need war crimes trials for Bush.
Spathi on August 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I just don’t give a hoot about a terrorist being told “do this or we’ll do that”
If you can’t talk mean to someone, even, what do you have left? You can get your panties in a knot over it, I won’t.
lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Rush was right – prosecuting CIA is to charge up the disillusioned base that is just now starting to understand they didn’t get what they paid for AND to distract from failed health care reform effort. What will happen is another fiasco just like the released “torture” memos. Pop some corn and kick back – it’s gonna be a good show!
p.s. Leon Panetta’s resignation should take place shortly.
johnnybgood on August 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I’m not “morally superior.” And I would never claim to be. Nice way to shift the target.
Grow Fins on August 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Their rage is all being concentrated on the extremely small and slow troop withdrawal from Iraq and on the big troop escalation in Afghanistan.
No wait. Never mind.
MB4 on August 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I care more if they actually, you know….do it. Vs. “threatening to” against known Terrorist that want us all dead.
but you are a phony liar who could give two rips about Morals so I don’t expect you to understand how to tell the difference.
Obama promotes the Murder of innoncent Babies, the sucking the brains out of and Live-birth abortion varieties. = fine, nothing wrong here.
Bush defends nation = bad, look at what they threatened to do against known terrorist who want to destroy this nation and kill us all!!!
Bush does Rendition = Bad
Obama does Rendition = So What
jp on August 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Grow Fins on August 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I did not shift. You just did. Answer AP’s question.
kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Yet, in the past you have said that Theo van Gogh had it coming and you could understand if someone took a shot at Geert Wilders.
You really are a pro-Islamist piece of excrement, aren’t you?
PimFortuynsGhost on August 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM
As always your moral compass could use some calibrating. When you’re done defending mass murderers from being talked to harshly, then maybe we can have a conversation.
Scrappy on August 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM
lol. By the time a Jordanian “interrogator” is done with one of our prisoners they’ll be begging for Gitmo.
elduende on August 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Well if Obama is allowing renditions so that they can go to trial, then there is nothing really to see here.
If he’s using extraordinary renditions to send them to black site torture camps or the Guantanamo concentration camp, well then that would be an issue.
Spathi on August 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Can’t wait to hear of your participation in the latest anti-Gitmo protest; send pics of yourself in an orange jumpsuit and strapped to the waterboard.
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Grow Fins
You replied to being called “morally superior”
Yet still avoided the question.
bazil9 on August 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM
You are okay with…..TORTURE….then, just at the hands of Jordanian or Egyptian thugs, so long as after they are done they bring them to trial in the US with the intel gathered.
chutzpah
jp on August 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM
OMG, what a ridiculous comparison. You are an ass. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING that has occured at Gitmo even compares to what happened in concentration camps. You are truly a pathetic person for even attempting to make such comparison.
evie on August 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Spathi:
No Obama is not stopping rendition. That is a lie.
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Go ahead Holder. Bring those ‘criminals’ to justice. And just watch the backlash across your ass, especially after your great fight against voter intimidation by the Black Panthers.
Go for it Holder! Every AG needs a ‘famous case’.
GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Obama renditions = ordinary = Nobel Peace Prize!
Bush renditions = extraordinary = War Crime.
All animals are equal, only extraordinary animals are more equal than others.
MB4 on August 24, 2009 at 5:22 PM
C’mon, I often confuse a facility where the prisoners are provided three halal meals a day and provided with opportunities to study shari’a law and exercise with camps designed to starve and then, eventually, shove survivors into ovens.
Simple mistake, I’m sure.
PimFortuynsGhost on August 24, 2009 at 5:22 PM
implied that another’s mother would be sexually assaulted.
To be clear,what he said was “I’ll meet your mama out on the porch”
KZnextzone on August 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I guess you will feel all warm and fuzzy when the terrorists are housed (perhaps) in a Michigan prison. Not too far from one of the largest Arab populations in the US. I, for one, feel much safer with the terrorists in Gitmo then I would with them housed anywhere in the US, especially so near such a large Arab population.
evie on August 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Go to trial? This Spathi person has to be a plant, no one is this damn dense.
Obama has already said that they can hold people indefinitely in countries like Afghanistan.
Trial my ass.
This is about Obama losing his ass in the health care debate, so he decides he will throw a bone to the American hating left and let them have fun smearing people who were doing their best to protect ingrates like Spathi here.
After seeing the Libyan terrorist returned home like a hero instead of the murdering scum he is, I doubt very much if the average American will give a rat’s ass if some terrorist was threatened.
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Slow on the uptake aren’t you? They are being sent to 3rd countries so they can be “interrogated” and held without legal repercussions. You are so naive. LOL!
Quick, I think you should lead a human rights team to inspect the bowels of the Algerian prison system to search for US detainees. Bwahahaha!
elduende on August 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Gitmo is nice, but I’d prefer them in hell with Edward Said, Andrea Dworkin, and Saul Alinsky.
PimFortuynsGhost on August 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM
When in Rome..
the_nile on August 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM
You’re kidding, right?
I heard that Gitmo guards often fail to add pepper to the chicken and rice dishes being served to the prisoners; as far as I’m concerned that is akin to being experimented on by Dr. Mengele.
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM
LOL, I am sure!
Comparisons like Spathi made just minimalize the real horrors that occured in Hitler’s concentrations camps.
evie on August 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM
agreed!
evie on August 24, 2009 at 5:28 PM
For degenerate lefties like spathi and Fish Face, everything is “just like the Holocaust” except, well, the Holocaust.
PimFortuynsGhost on August 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Grow fins:
Well considering the fact that AlQaida has been known to put children in ovens and bake them for real…I really do not care if the CIA threatened a terrorist.
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Death Panels in Obamacare are just like the Holocaust!
jp on August 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM
So all it takes is and adjective?
What about fabulous renditions?
peculiar renditions?
phenominal renditions?
eccentric renditions?
quaint renditions?
Which of those are war crimes?
Scrappy on August 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Bishop:
Not only that there have been times when the infidels have allowed mere women to talk to the wannabe martyrs. The shame of it all….
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM
don’t forget the “feed them to their Parents and force them to eat their children” part.
jp on August 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Just when I thought we were moving forward on this issue!
Hussein and his Administrations are a bunch of Clowns.
BigMike252 on August 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I am urging all Zionist and Christian infidel forces who are working with Geert Wilders against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah to submit immediately. Otherwise, we will hold them responsible for their actions. Any attempt to fight the Islamic Holy forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to putting all of the world under our jurisdiction. You cannot commit blasphemy and act against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah. Any individual or group that tries to fight the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will be destroyed. The Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will overcome Geert Wilders and the Zionist and Christian infidels and their Hotair stooges. Allah willing. If you do not submit to these demands then brother al Grow Fins will strap a suicide belt on and blow you all up.
Aleph on August 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM
What are you saying? Women were allowed to talk to…men?
OMG.
Bishop on August 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM
What goes around comes around. If the Obama administration decide to go after their political opponents or the CIA in a criminal proceeding, they might want to keep in mind that the day will come when they are not in power anymore.
I hope I hope I hope.
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM
There was a commercial a few years ago where a young lady in a meeting has an idea to save costs, and is ignored by everyone. The boss repeats exactly what she just said word for word and is celebrated. She mentions that this is exactly what she just said, and one of her co-workers said “Yes, but he did this with his hands while he said it!” Whose ad was that?
Anyway, somehow I think that has some relevance to what we’re seeing here.
stldave on August 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Just for Aleph (and by extension, Fish Face and spathi):
“A packet of crisps and a cheeky smile,
Muhammad was a pedophile”
PimFortuynsGhost on August 24, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Bishop:
Not only that, there is a rumor that some of the women were…well..uncovered..at least their heads.
I blush at the sluttery of it all.
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Scrappy – uhhh just because a word sounds the same doesn’t mean it has the same meaning. It’s a poor choice of terminology, but it’s what we have.
Renditions are what the Bounty Hunter “dog” does when he goes down to South American and grabs someone to bring back to the States in his trunk so that he can collect a reward and the criminal he caught goes to trial. Israel has a history of nabbing ex-nazi’s hiding all over the world too and sneaking them back for trial.
Extraordinary rendition is not for trials though. Bush would send people on torture tours and to CIA black sites without habeus corupus. He even did it to one U.S. citizen (again, even McVeigh got a trial.) However since joining a group such as Al Qaeda, the KKK, right-wing militias, the mafia etc, isn’t a crime, maybe he never had any evidence against the guy.
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Back to the CIA topic
The Ford administration had the CIA use the swine flu virus to try to infect all the farm animals in Cuba. Paul also mentions that the CIA has attempted over 60 assassinations of world leaders (so why be surprised when one of ours dies in the early 60’s)
C4L link
So thinking about the CIA as the dark heart of the empire is a pretty good way to think about it.
Spathi on August 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM
jp:
My yes, we would not want to offend the sort of people who would merrily cut off our heads with dull knifes and dance about our bodies in manic ghoulish glee…now would we?
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I hope you are too young to fully understand how deeply offensive this is. If you are over 13, there really is no excuse for this kind of comparison.
Grace_is_sufficient on August 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM
All of the children killed on those planes on 9/11 could not be reached for comment.
getalife.
Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Spathi:
Spare me. Clinton was the guy who first really got the whole rendition thing going.
The truth is Obama and his ilk are playing you. But then you like to played doncha?
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM
CIA is essentially the U.S. version of the KGB secret police.
Torture, dark sites, thievery, drug running in the 80′s (while Reagan was pushing the drug war, assassinations, all sorts of skullduggery.
Spathi on August 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Allah makes me master of the world, this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Women and girls we can abuse hard and long
They are weak but we are strong
Yes, Allah makes me master of the world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of the world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of the world!
The Koran tells me so.
And what some gays don’t yet realize
Is that when we take over it will be their demise
Say the salat, chop off gay head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah makes me master of the world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of the world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of the world!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on August 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM
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