Hands off our seniors’ Medicare, says … Michael Steele; Update: Steele 2006: Medicare cuts are on the table

posted at 3:35 pm on August 24, 2009 by Allahpundit

Cynical yet effective, at least short-term.

Republicans want reform that should, first, do no harm, especially to our seniors. That is why Republicans support a Seniors’ Health Care Bill of Rights, which we are introducing today, to ensure that our greatest generation will receive access to quality health care. We also believe that any health-care reform should be fully paid for, but not funded on the backs of our nation’s senior citizens.

The Republican Party’s contract with seniors includes tenets that Americans, regardless of political party, should support. First, we need to protect Medicare and not cut it in the name of “health-insurance reform.” As the president frequently, and correctly, points out, Medicare will go deep into the red in less than a decade. But he and congressional Democrats are planning to raid, not aid, Medicare by cutting $500 billion from the program to fund his health-care experiment. The president also plans to cut hospital payments and Medicare Advantage, all of which will mean fewer treatment options for seniors. These types of “reforms” don’t make sense for the future of an already troubled federal program or for the services it provides that millions of Americans count on.

Dick Morris has been nudging the GOP towards a “scare the seniors” strategy for the past six weeks and now here it is. The political benefits are obvious and there’s a gratifying touch of poetic justice in using the entitlement mindset of a high-turnout demographic to try to derail the mother of all entitlement programs. But even so, the more lip service Republicans pay to Medicare now, the less room they have to maneuver later when Medicare’s rapidly approaching day of reckoning finally arrives. Has Steele conceded too much in trying to derail the Hopenchange express? I’m leaning towards no just because the GOP’s fingerprints are already on the program and once it runs dry the crisis will be severe enough that even Democrats will be forced to support drastic measures, leaving them in a poor position to screech about Republicans selling out grandma. Don’t kid yourselves, though: If the GOP chooses to die on this hill, then ten years from now the left will have greater leverage in demanding cuts to other federal programs (like, say, defense) to free up cash for the Medicare boondoggle conservatives now profess to love so much. Choices, choices.

Actually, I think the fact that the head of the RNC’s been reduced to taking this position at all proves the necessity of stopping ObamaCare now, even if it means a Faustian bargain. Such is the British dependency on universal health care that even Tory leader David Cameron is forced to regularly reassure Britons that conservatives “support the NHS 100%.” We’ll be hearing the same thing — or worse — from Republican presidential candidates about ObamaCare within a decade if America chokes down this crap sandwich. Do what you have to do to hold the line.

Update: Like I said, effective — but cynical. Via TPM, Steele on Meet the Press three years ago:

MR. RUSSERT: Seventy percent is Social Security, Medicare and Defense.

LT. GOV. STEELE: Absolutely. Absolutely.

MR. RUSSERT: Would you touch those?

LT. GOV. STEELE: Abso — Tim, everything has…

MR. RUSSERT: Everything’s on the table.

LT. GOV. STEELE: Everything has to be on the table, my friend. We are living in a time — we have to — government has to act like the rest of, the rest of the world and sit back and look at your budget. If you don’t have enough money in any given month, what do you do? You’ve got to reprioritize. You’ve got to take care of the business at hand.

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At this point, you do what you have to do.

uknowmorethanme on August 24, 2009 at 3:39 PM

I SEE TESTICULAR FORTITUDE!

And I LIKE IT!

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Well… the facts are there. Obama WILL cut medicare spending to fund young people’s insurance. It’s in the bill and he’s said so himself.

Skywise on August 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM

But The Messiah was crowned in a Greek Temple – doesn’t that mean he and Michelle Messiah are honest and that we can trust them?

Cinday Blackburn on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I SEE TESTICULAR FORTITUDE!

And I LIKE IT!

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I see the GOP kicking the donkey in his testicles and I LIKE IT!

NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

An entitlement granted never goes away. Unless you replace it with an even more boffo entitlement. So might as well glom on to Medicare, since it’s unlikely to go away…

juanito on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Its one thing to say we need to shore up Medicare, its another to use the same language…calling for a Bill of Rights…its not a Right Mike.

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Well at least we can cancel the Amber Alert on Michael Steele.

HoustonRight on August 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM

One step at a time. Stop this POS, then worry about the reforms later.

– Keep Medicare the way it is for all eligible seniors that have paid into it.

– Begin to reduce it’s rate of growth (as the GOP tried to do in the 90′s), but only apply that slowing of growth to younger generations that have not fully paid into the plan.

Simple solution…I believe Levin has a solution like this in his Liberty and Tyranny book and talks about it frequently on his show.

davek70 on August 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I think its a bad Idea. Get a true Conservative revolution in government, We’re gonna have to win on ideology. Backing programs like Medicare is just showing that the GOP has no ideology, no principles, just like the Democrats. Also, how can R’s win on a fiscal responsibility ticket when they back the single-most debt causing program EVER? Bad, BAD idea.

Dopavash on August 24, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Mr. Steele might want to bring up ‘Tort Reform’ while he’s at it…………

Seven Percent Solution on August 24, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I see the GOP kicking the donkey in his testicles and I LIKE IT!

NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Shouldn’t this be called a “Donkey Punch” instead?

teke184 on August 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I believe this Bill of Rights will be akin to the “Contract with America” that enabled Newt and the GOP to take back Congress by storm.

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM

I am glad Michael has found his spine and his vocal chords. The GOP had better start embracing Conservatism if they want to regain power in Washington. Now is not the time to be squishy.

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Were ObamaCare come to pass, I don’t think having Democrats in either house of Congress will be a problem except in those areas where the people are completely brain dead, or are limo-liberals who don’t need the ‘public option’ and can afford to pay for the very best.

GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I think its a bad Idea. Get a true Conservative revolution in government, We’re gonna have to win on ideology. Backing programs like Medicare is just showing that the GOP has no ideology, no principles, just like the Democrats. Also, how can R’s win on a fiscal responsibility ticket when they back the single-most debt causing program EVER? Bad, BAD idea.

Dopavash on August 24, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Agreed! This is just forming “bipartisan” commitment to fiscal meltdown.

“Actually, I think the fact that the head of the RNC’s been reduced to taking this position at all proves the necessity of stopping ObamaCare now, even if it means a Faustian bargain. Such is the British dependency on universal health care that even Tory leader David Cameron is forced to regularly reassure Britons that conservatives “support the NHS 100%.” “

That presumes there’s always going to be a Conservative party there, or a Republican party here. And that’s not the case.

Chris_Balsz on August 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Flying in not a right either but they have a “Passenger Bill of Rights”.

milwife88 on August 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Its one thing to say we need to shore up Medicare, its another to use the same language…calling for a Bill of Rights…its not a Right Mike.

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It is not a Right in the sense you want to use it, but they are owed it, so it is their Right and we need to follow through with it, because it is right.

WoosterOh on August 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM

It’s in the bill and he’s said so himself.

Skywise on August 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM

What bill?

DaveS on August 24, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Good political strategy. The Dems have played this card for years.

Bad strategy for governing the nation.

therightwinger on August 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM

By the time Medicare has to be confronted, something Michael Steele said in 2009 isn’t going to be a huge issue.

DaveS on August 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Shouldn’t this be called a “Donkey Punch” instead?

teke184 on August 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM

That would bring to mind Alex Karras slugging the horse in Blazing Saddles.

Would like to see the same, except replace the horse with a donkey.

NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM

I see the GOP kicking the donkey in his testicles and I LIKE IT!

NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

no doubt about it.

upinak on August 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Why doesn’t Obama fix Social Security and Medicare first?

El_Terrible on August 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Conservative Voice:

C’mon, don’t be so concrete. Like the idea of a “Passenger Bill of Rights”, of course these are not really “natural rights”, but a little political theater to stop Obummer’s HealthsCare doesn’t hurt. There are times to be pedantic (in which case we’ll give you a call), and there are times to let it all hang out.

Now let’s see what the GOP does with the Democrats’ “cuts in Social Security”.

JackOkie on August 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Has anyone quantified the savings of allowing shopping across state lines for coverage, tort reform on a national level and eliminating coverage for illegal aliens? Last night at the grocery store the family in front of me used their Texas WIC card to purchase $68 out of the $71 worth of food they had in their cart. And they were able to do that without speaking one word of English. I’m still not getting it.

DanMan on August 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Mr. Steele might want to bring up ‘Tort Reform’ while he’s at it…………

Seven Percent Solution on August 24, 2009 at 3:46 PM

GOP and Steele cant do that, Palin brought it up, so they cant be seen agreeing with her.

WoosterOh on August 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Political expediency is largely what got America into this mess. Seniors need to be assured that reform will not cut their benefits but will improve their benefits through open market competition and tort reform…might even lower their premiums, and surely their children’s premiums.
Mealy-mouthed moderation alla Steele is evidence that squishy Republicans are just taking advantage of Democrat weakness while having no conservative agenda of their own that might be “unpopular” or “principled”. 2010 and beyond should be about principles not personalities or parties. Elect reps with a conservative/libertarian agenda and recovery will become a reality.

Randy

williars on August 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Why doesn’t Obama fix Social Security and Medicare first?

El_Terrible on August 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM

How do you fix a tumor that’s metastasized?

spmat on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Its one thing to say we need to shore up Medicare, its another to use the same language…calling for a Bill of Rights…its not a Right Mike.

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I must concur. The language should be geared more toward the way Marxists instituted Medicare in the first place. A quick and factual history lesson that betrays the rotten roots of socialism as serves as a portent of the future would be more than frightening, and more than satisfactory.

TMK on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM

The arguement that medicare is not a right will not sell, to millions of americans who have seen that amount go to ‘medicare’ on there payecheck every two weeks for 40 years. they damn well expect something from it. They at least expect what they put into it given back
The big lie fostered on the american people was the medicare program was some sort of insurance and that tax you pay was sort of a premium. It is just a tax
If and when it is unravled I expect every dime I put in given back to me(plus interest). A lie is a lie no matter who tells it.
Whoever governs has to make good on that promise and that includes republicans, I say just give me money back an we can all go our seprate ways and be done with medicare(but not giving me my money back is not an option).

kangjie on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Well at least we can cancel the Amber Alert on Michael Steele.

HoustonRight on August 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Yeah…Mr RINO shows up, weeks late, to mouth some pap, and people in the red states cheer.

That’s a big whoop, for sure.

Now if the RNC’s money was going to try to find/develop plans for repairing the damage Osama Obama and his goons have already done, and finding/developing candidates who won’t wilt like pansies in the desert when asked to show some spine instead of paying Steele far more than he’s worth, it might be a step forward.

A first step.

MrScribbler on August 24, 2009 at 3:58 PM

How do you fix a tumor that’s metastasized?

spmat on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM

With a painkiller?

El_Terrible on August 24, 2009 at 4:01 PM

(but not giving me my money back is not an option).

kangjie on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM

lol… OK; it’s really not funny, and I’m not really laughing at you… but you don’t seriously expect to ever see a dime of the money you put into this program, do you?

hindmost on August 24, 2009 at 4:01 PM

The democrats are about to be put before the Unre-electable Panel.

portlandon on August 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Well at least we can cancel the Amber Alert on Michael Steele.

HoustonRight on August 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM

That’s what I have been thinking. He needs to get out in front of this thing. For him to be effective, he has to show up and fight. All these guys are leaving Sarah to do the heavy lifting.

TXMomof3 on August 24, 2009 at 4:07 PM

At what point now does the MSM adopt Michael Steele as their new darling and start using him to bash the fascist sock puppet pretending to be president?

I suspect that will come somewhere around the middle of 2010.

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:08 PM

once it runs dry the crisis will be severe enough that even Democrats will be forced to support drastic measures, leaving them in a poor position to screech about Republicans selling out grandma.

There’s true political leadership. No fear of rationing or death panels? Cynical Faustian bargain indeed.

M_Laveau on August 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Steele hits the seniors and Palin hits the tort reform. Don’t let the dems change the conversation to the CIA. Keep up the pressure.

d1carter on August 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Panderers to the right of me, panderers to the left of me,
Here I am stuck with $10 trillion in debt that’s not free

Swell.

SteveMG on August 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I think the idea to pay those who have paid in for 40+ years, is one of merit, and to those who have paid in the the last 10 years, offer a money back guarantee. Cease all deductions, and allow Americans to invest that money into mutual funds or some other investment instrument.

The same idea could also be applied to Medicare/Aid.

The Govt has exacting records of how much every American has paid into said programs…..that way it is fair to each and every payer.

Probably too simplistic an idea, but I think workable….
Bearing in mind I am no Economist, just using a li’l commonsense.

Onward Forward and Upward!!

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Why is Weiner on Fox News today? I’ve seen him three times today and don’t remember ever seeing him before, there or any where else.

darwin-t on August 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM

But The Messiah was crowned in a Greek Temple – doesn’t that mean he and Michelle Messiah are honest and that we can trust them?

Cinday Blackburn on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

More like Caligula, and his angry queen.

capejasmine on August 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM

It’s about winning.

Do whatever it takes to elect conservatives or libertarians.

rickyricardo on August 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM

No idea how Steele rationalizes this, but after spending load of taxpayer money on bailouts, to cut from seniors health programs would be… immoral?

JanisB on August 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

I’m not sure I understand the fuss over the term ‘Bill of Rights’. I see it as just a slogan. Plus, Medicare isn’t going anywhere.

I think its smart politics. There’s a real shot to stop this thing.

changer1701 on August 24, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Steele flip-flopped?!?! You mean there are opportunistic bastados in both parties?? Shocked, I say.

Ah well, it’s not like the country has a real long memory anyway…

XWing5 on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Do whatever it takes to elect conservatives or libertarians.

Yeah, but then you have to govern.

And the numbers just don’t add up.

Something’s gotta’ give; otherwise our currency will be worthless (yeah, will be?) or taxes will have to be raised enormously.

SteveMG on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

It’s about winning.
Do whatever it takes to elect conservatives or libertarians.
rickyricardo on August 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM

For a second it seemed like it might be about protecting the health care of our seniors.

M_Laveau on August 24, 2009 at 4:26 PM

the strongest case is that it is not fair to transfer health from the old to the young (Dr Emanuel not-with-standing)

r keller on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Medicare is NOT a right. Any right that requires that one person give up some of what they have so that another person may have more, is a relative right, and varies from individual to individual, and is determined on a case-by-case basis. Any such right means that all persons are NOT created equal, and some are more important than others.

The Founders would SPIT on the whole concept, and so do I.

MBuck on August 24, 2009 at 4:31 PM

How do you fix a tumor that’s metastasized?

spmat on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Do what these gutless politicians always do when they don’t want their fingerprints on a problem that may cost them votes! Create a panel to solve the problem–(Base closing, SS, Death Panel.)

chickasaw42 on August 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Reagan suggested that Medicare only be provided for the old and poor, as opposed to a entitlement.

this would be seen as “means testing” now…but the re-framing of all programs from “entitlements” to “welfare” would be tough, but the right thing to do.

It is the Left that wants universal coverage, rich/poor on the same plan (of course, they don’t mean that anyway)

r keller on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

For a second it seemed like it might be about protecting the health care of our seniors.

Their care won’t be very good if our currency is worthless or our economy in destagflation.

SteveMG on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Whew! Good thing it’s only the Democrats that lie to us all the time…

Right?

The Calibur on August 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Steele, go away. Stop defending big-government health care.

We need to prohibit government from getting between seniors and their doctors.

EH?!

iamse7en on August 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Their care won’t be very good if our currency is worthless or our economy in destagflation.

SteveMG on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Then what good is a cynically calculated ploy to bankrupt the entire system?

M_Laveau on August 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM

I believe this Bill of Rights will be akin to the “Contract with America” that enabled Newt and the GOP to take back Congress by storm.

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM

The Contract with America was conservative in approach. Calling Medicare a Right is liberal in approach.

And for those who are for the Bill of Rights for Airlines…I think that is stupid too…its called when a business abuses its customers, they lose customers. Capitalism works!

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Why is Weiner on Fox News today? I’ve seen him three times today and don’t remember ever seeing him before, there or any where else.

darwin-t on August 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Because the scurrilous Weiner is at least being honest in his opinion — Obamacare is, in its pure form, “Jacob Hacker’s idea for ‘a new public insurance pool modeled after Medicare’”

Nichevo on August 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Whenever I hear anyone saying there should be a new ‘Bill of Rights’ for some segment of the population, I know I’ve met a Progressive trying their best to ignore Amendments IX and X where the States and the People retain all rights. Any time you want ‘rights’ supported by legislation, you get more bureaucracy and higher cost… instead government should just respect those rights not handed to it just like it says in the Constitution.

ajacksonian on August 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM

I really think a pretty large majority of Americans would agree to a federal government that spent money on nothing besides Medicare, Social Security, and Defense, provided they were all run properly with full accountability. If those three are 70% of the federal budget, then we can save 30% by shutting down everything else. Priorities, indeed.

If Republicans can become the majority party again behind protecting Medicare, that’s a bargain I will take in a heartbeat. I’ve been paying into Medicare for 25 years and I have another 14 to go before I am eligible for it. By that time, if Medicare isn’t fixed and if the federal government invades the rest of the health care financing system, I know my health care will be rationed and I will probably die an earlier and nastier death. I’m old enough now than I can really envision this happening to me. And I will militantly fight it.

rockmom on August 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Actually, after reading Steele’s op-ed I think your headline is misleading AP. He doesn’t say that Medicare should never be cut. He say’s it shouldn’t be cut “in the name of ‘health-insurance reform.’”

Basically, he’s saying “Obama wants to cut Medicare” but isn’t saying that there aren’t valid fiscal concerns with Medicare.

DaveS on August 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM

“Its one thing to say we need to shore up Medicare, its another to use the same language…calling for a Bill of Rights…its not a Right Mike.”

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It’s a right (10th amendment)to prevent the government from taking control of your healthcare.

Don L on August 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Medicare is not a right, I agree. Many seniors depend on Medicare for their survival. For the amount of money the government has taken from my pay check for Medicare, they better use it for such. To take from Medicare and give it to some government run insurance company / co-op is unacceptable. It is possible to be conservative and come up with a Health care plan. If that plan has a patient’s Bill of Rights that protects Senior Citizens and also keeps them from worrying about End of Life “Death panels” That is fine with me.

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM

so what the majority of you are saying is that “medical bill of rights for seniors” to protect their Medicare is fine & dandy resolution of Obama’s bid to socialize our healthcare?

kelley in virginia on August 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM

kelley in virginia on August 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM

I Can’t speak for everyone else, My Idea is that If the Patient’s Bill of Rights was something Like;
1. We will not raid Medicare to thrust new Burocracies on Americans.
2. If you have paid into Medicare it will be there waiting for you when you need it.
3. Socialized medicine will not happen in America

I don’t think that is too much to ask for from a Patient’s Bill of Rights

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM

though i agree with you Guest1.1, a Patients’ bill of Rights must have lots of whistles & bells to sell to the American people.

i am against spending one dime.

kelley in virginia on August 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Sorry about the spelling it should read,

I can’t speak for everyone else; My Idea is that If the Patient’s Bill of Rights was something Like;
1. We will not raid Medicare to thrust new Bureaucracies on Americans.
2. If you have paid into Medicare it will be there waiting for you when you need it.
3. Socialized medicine will not happen in America

I don’t think that is too much to ask for from a Patient’s Bill of Rights

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Don’t call it a right…honor the contract made with people who paid into it, and allow people to opt out, and be reimbursed for the money put in.

Yes, you can come up with a health care plan that is conservative. But not a government run plan, or a mandated plan ( aka Romney care, don’t care that the heritage foundation approved it, its socialism ). Tort reform, health savings accounts, allow insurance to be bought cross state lines, allow policies to be written as 20 year blocks, allow insurance to offer plans that doesn’t pay for basics…just major items, because the more the patient pays directly the lower the costs.

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Guest, you do realize that Medicare is Socialized medicine? Its not Obamacare, but its still socialized medicine.

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM

kelley in virginia on August 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM

No, I do not think it needs any Bells and Whistles. Americans will take short and simple over 10,000 pages congess has not read.

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

The update shows exactly what I was talking about earlier. Taking up this cause when it conflicts with your (espoused) ideology will only force to to come back, renege, and look like a jackass later. That’s a Democrat thing to do, and the GOP doesn’t need any part of it. Particularly when the left is imploding all on their own.

Dopavash on August 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

the crisis will be severe enough that even Democrats will be forced to support drastic measures

What types of drastic measures are the Democrats going to be forced to support?

M_Laveau on August 24, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM

If the Medicare system is the full extent of Socialism we have to endure. I’ll take that over what’s being forced on us now. To say “Hey we stopped Socialism at Medicare” would be a good thing. Do you agree?

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Thanks for selling out everyone under 30 to pander to seniors. When the whole system goes up in smoke and I’m out tens of thousands, who will be there to give ME a bill of rights?

MobsterinVA on August 24, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Well, if your house is in blazes and your neighbor shows up with a hose, I guess there’s a point where you figure it’s better to put him to work than complain about his timing or the size and quality of his hose.

So, Michael, welcome to the part-tay!

TXUS on August 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Guest1.1 on August 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM

My issue is not Medicare…though I am not a fan of it, I understand baby steps. However, I do not like the direction that Mike took, which is to call it a right…that is by beef.

Conservative Voice on August 24, 2009 at 6:06 PM

The other morning on Bill Bennet’s radio show I heard Rick Santorum talking about the Medicare drug plan.

He made the point that the Bushies wanted Health Savings Accounts and Medicare Advantage, the public/private plan that Ed Morrisey has spoken well of. In order to get those plans there had to be some concessions on a drug plan. But the GOP insisted that the plan be a discount program and not a giveaway and that the government not be negotiating directly with drug companies. The Democrats did not much like that.

Now today, the Democrats want to get rid of Health Savings Accounts and Medicare Advantage and they want to negotiate with drug companies. They also want to close the socalled donut hole where seniors pay higher bills.

The truth is the plan has cost the government less than critics said it would. And it has helped bring down drug prices. For instance, it was because of this program that Wal-Mart started its $4 drug plans.

And before people say we need to get rid of it, keep this in mind. If the government tries to cut this program out, the people at these townhalls will be just as angry about that as they are Obama’s plans.

There are other ways to make cuts in the program, but the truth is when people trying to live on a thousand dollars a month are spending half of that on drugs, it creates more problems for the health care system and with those problems come costs.

If nothing else, maybe it is time to stop protecting big Pharma from cheap imports. After all, they turned on the GOP and went with Obamacare, why protect them? If there was more competition in the market maybe people could better afford the medicine without help.

Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Well… the facts are there. Obama WILL cut medicare spending to fund young people’s insurance. It’s in the bill and he’s said so himself.

Skywise on August 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM

No, No, No…grandma loves her grandkids, this argument MUST be cutting Medicare funds to give to the ILLEGALS and explain how that will happen. GRANDMA against PEDRO! That’s the winning formula!

Jeff from WI on August 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Do we want to be against medicare cuts?

I mean, I want medicare and social security to end. They are ponzi schemes, and forcing me to pay into them is criminal.

jhffmn on August 24, 2009 at 6:34 PM

jhffmn:

Say what you will, but if these programs just ceased to exist millions of Americans would not only suffer, their families would as well.

Imagine all the comfortable middle class people who would cease to be comfortable or middle class if they had to fork over thousands of dollars a month to take care of their own family members.

Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Eh that update isn’t defining as “we’re going to chop old people’s support.” I think that’s shaky at best. Completely limp at worst.

Medicare isn’t solely supporting the elderly. An easy rebuttal would be cutting care for people under the age of 50, and not touching the care for people over 50.

Or something along those lines.

Frankly I wouldn’t mind seeing it cut in those age ranges, but then I’m not a big fan of free medical care.

One Angry Christian on August 24, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Medicare and Social Security can not be ripped out from under the people that have paid into them and currently depend on them.

The solution is that current and future generations need to be somehow gradually moved out of these schemes and into HSA’s and privatized solutions. Then Medicare and Social Security would eventually be terminated,

Of course, this would be difficult considering that Medicare and Social Security are indeed ponzi schemes.

visions on August 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM

IMHO Steele is a weak leader. This is the first time I heard from him since the whole health care debate started to heat up.

TopLawyer on August 24, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

there’s so much wrong in your comment, and I’m so tired, that I can’t even tackle it, beyond saying that Santorum is just another big government, “compassionate,” big-spending social conservative.

I don’t want nanny government wiping my nose, especially when they charge me thousands of dollars to do it.

funky chicken on August 25, 2009 at 12:01 AM