Cash for Clunkers, RIP: A waste of money and assets

posted at 4:10 pm on August 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Cash for Clunkers ends today after spending $3 billion, most of which still has yet to get to car dealers.  Not only did C4C show a bumbling administration at just the moment when it asked Americans to trust it with our health care, it vastly overspent for the environmental and stimulus benefits it produced.  ABC News looks at the former:

“Cash for Clunkers” has generated a surge in car and truck sales, as well as a comparable increase in complaints about the program. But whether or not the program — which is due to end at the end of the day today — meets environmental goals of reducing gasoline consumption and greenhouse gas emissions has received less attention.

“As an environmental program, Cash for Clunkers is basically overpaying for the environmental benefits,” said Christopher Knittle, an economics professor at the University of California at Davis who analyzed the Cash for Clunkers impact on the environment. …

Knittel, the economist at Davis who has studied gas prices and their effects on driving behavior, found that while the program might benefit the economy, it is an inefficient way to take older cars off the road, to lower carbon emissions and to reduce gasoline consumption.

“The fuel economy increase from the trade-in to new car seems large, but it doesn’t have that big of impact on environment,” he said.

Knittle calculated the program will save approximately 270 gallons of gasoline per car, per year. If a total of 750,000 vehicles are sold, as appears likely, approximately 12,000 barrels of oil a day will be saved in a country that consumes 9 million a day.

Was it worth $3 billion to save 12,000 barrels of oil a day?  It amounts to a 0.13% reduction in gasoline consumption.  The impact on carbon emissions is likely much less than that.

Cato says it may be the dumbest government program ever:

  • A few billion dollars worth of wealth was destroyed. About 750,000 cars, many of which could have provided consumer value for many years, were thrown in the trash. Suppose each clunker was worth $3,000 at a guess, that would mean that the government destroyed $2.25 billion of value.
  • Low-income families, who tend to buy used cars, were harmed because the clunkers program will push up used car prices.

But the real reason it’s the dumbest program ever:

  • The auto industry received a short-term “sugar high” at the expense of lower future sales when the program is over. The program apparently boosted sales by about 750,000 cars this year, but that probably means that sales over the next few years will be about 750,000 lower. The program probably further damaged the longer-term prospects of auto dealers and automakers by diverting their attention from market fundamentals in the scramble for federal cash.

How many people bought cars that would have bought them soon anyway as they tired of their gas guzzlers?  The better question will be how many didn’t.  Whether Obama realizes it or not, people have economic and style incentive to trade up on a regular basis.  In this case, Obama may have distorted the curve to entice people to do so now, but that just means that those consumers will not be in the market for a vehicle in the near-to-midterm future.  It didn’t create sales; it just speeded them up.

And when did Obama decide to launch this program?  Right at the end of the model year, when car dealers usually discount their existing inventory rather deeply.  Customers already had incentive to buy in August.  They won’t have any incentive now to buy in September and October, when the new models hit the showrooms and pricing hits its peak.  On top of that, the destroyed vehicles mean that 750,000 families that might have been able to access less-expensive vehicles to improve their financial flexibility may not be able to afford anything at all.

Three billion dollars may not be the biggest boondoggle ever to come out of Washington, but it’s easily the dumbest — and one of the most incompetently handled.

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We pushed demand for 700,000 cars from Q4 to Q3.

Yay.

Vashta.Nerada on August 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM

When you spread the debt around, I think everyone benefits. – Obama

lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Never let a good crises go to waste!! What happens when the dealers don’t get paid? Do you really expect them to get their money? How many will go out of business? Oh that’s right just the ones that didn’t support OBAMA.

odannyboy on August 24, 2009 at 4:15 PM

“Speeded” up should be “sped up”.

DakRoland on August 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM

C4C is absolute proof that this Administration has no clue as to how to govern. All they know how to do is campaign.

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I suggest everyone read this by Peter Schiff….
http://seekingalpha.com/article/157686-forget-cash-for-clunkers-try-dough-for-dumps

therightwinger on August 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM

My 1987 Camry Wagon:

“Based on the information you provided [year, make, model] your combined EPA MPG estimate is 24, sorry but it appears that your vehicle does not qualify.”

heh.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM

lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 4:15 PM

You’re golden today, lorien.

Weight of Glory on August 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

The greatest success of C4C was showing the country how inefficient the government beaurocrats are when it comes to running any program. This epic failure is just another reason not to TRUST our elected officials in developing a more “efficient” healthcare system.

jbh45 on August 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I heard that the dealers have until tomorrow to submit the C4C paperwork. I wonder just how long it will take for them to actually get paid!!

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

so this helped solve the 2009 model Inventory excess that was out there, but what does that means it reduced Used Car Inventories and what does this mean for 2010 model Inventories??? Those, anticipating the bad economy may be lower anyway.

Alot of people couldn’t resist the chance to get the upper hand on a car deal and this was it. Espeically if you had a real clunker

jp on August 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM

All in the name of this massive scam called “Global Warming.” I recommend that we hereby dub it “Global Scamming.”

IamKurtacus on August 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM

If you assume everything BHO does purposefully harms the economy, then it all makes sense.

PatriotRider on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

It didn’t create sales; it just speeded them up.

It didn’t just speed them up. It financed them on our taxes, yes, even the taxes of those of us who couldn’t afford a new car.

Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Sugar High just like the 1st time house buyers $8000. The market would be better served by kicking Dodd and “My Boy Lollipop” Frank out on their ass.

Wade on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I heard that the dealers have until tomorrow to submit the C4C paperwork. I wonder just how long it will take for them to actually get paid!!

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

For each case were they screw up the Paperwork, its a $15,000 fine. One of many reason’s many dealers abandoned the program altogether.

Also, the $4500 is like a Stimulus Check, it gets taxed as income

jp on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I had heard that dealerships started writing into their contracts that, if the government doesn’t pay up, the customer has to pay the $4500 back. Would anyone happen to know if that’s accurate?

‘Cause I have visions of defaulting car loans piling up here in a few months.

lonesome_pine on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I have to go with this;

It wasn’t a COMPLETE waste. It did help empty inventories of American car makers dealers and allowed the factories to avoid even more layoffs here in Michigan, kept the suppliers busy too.

But yes, it was a crutch, but we kinda needed it.

Overall, it was the only stimulus money that actually stimulated anything at all.

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

My guess is that the GM and Chrysler dealerships will be reimbursed first. All non-government car dealerships will be forced to keep that red ink on their books for a long time.

daesleeper on August 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Just delaying the pain in MI.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Largest auto loan defaults in american history will begin in November.

jbh45 on August 24, 2009 at 4:23 PM

jbh45 on August 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Exactly. The negative long term effects of this were going to be felt no matter what. But short term, the administration had hoped to generate some positive PR that they could spin as an “economic boost” that was helping American businesses and American consumers. It did none of those, and now you have the long term negative effects preceded by an avalanche of bad PR and ill will.

THESE are the people who are asking us to trust them with nationalized health care. They can’t even manage a $3 billion auto sell-a-thon, and they want to manage a multi TRILLION dollar industry?

Tonus on August 24, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Sugar High just like the 1st time house buyers $8000. The market would be better served by kicking Dodd and “My Boy Lollipop” Frank out on their ass.

Wade on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I believe the checks are starting to slow down on that front as well.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM

C4C put American taxpayers into more debt, just so 750,000 more Americans could go into more debt.

Edouard on August 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Just delaying the pain in MI.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

No doubt about that. But with a liberal pusbag for a governor and house here in Michigan, that’s really all we can hope for at this point.

Stupid biotch governor wants to raise our taxes too. Last one out or to starve to death, please shut down our only 2 nuclear reactors.

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Low-income families, who tend to buy used cars, were harmed because the clunkers program will push up used car prices.

Leftist policies do tend to harm the poor. Mostly by keeping them poor.

And let’s not forget that dealers aren’t getting paid & they have to move FAA employees over to help screw things up.

rbj on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

If you assume everything BHO does purposefully harms the economy, then it all makes sense.

PatriotRider on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Exactly.

Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

You can bet that these cars were second or third cars used for special needs like trips to home depot or as short distance commuters. The most likely candidate for trading an Explorer for a Prius is an aging boomer who no longer have to drag the kids to soccer practice.

One technical note. The 750,000 cars and trucks sold under this program are not all extra sales. For many people C4C was like winning $3500-$4500 in a lottery or a raffle. They were in the market at the right time and had an old SUV or minivan that government would give you cash, which by the way you split with the dealer, to trade with. The true measure of the stimulus effect is how many people who didn’t even think about buying a car in the next six monthes went out a bought one. I suspect that is a very small number.

jerryofva on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Largest auto loan defaults in american history will begin in November.

jbh45 on August 24, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I call that “Defaulting for Debtors” and it will far exceed $3B.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I’m white and we got more for the trade in on the Trailblazer than the program when we bought Japanese.

LtE126 on August 24, 2009 at 4:26 PM

And let’s not forget that dealers aren’t getting paid & they have to move FAA employees over to help screw things up.

rbj on August 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM

About the best this administration has done is fly by the seat of its pants.

ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 4:27 PM

It wasn’t a COMPLETE waste. It did help empty inventories of American car makers dealers and allowed the factories to avoid even more layoffs here in Michigan, kept the suppliers busy too.

But yes, it was a crutch, but we kinda needed it.

Overall, it was the only stimulus money that actually stimulated anything at all.

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Nope. It would have been better to let those layoffs happen.

Count to 10 on August 24, 2009 at 4:27 PM

But, but, but…Their intentions were good!

Battlecruiser-operational on August 24, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Go ahead and laugh if you must, suckas. But I was able to trade in my ’87 Yugo (32 mpg., of course I had to push it a lot but it was great coasting downhill) for four grand down on an almost new Corolla (26 mpg. city)! Now I am saving the planet in style!

GreenBlade on August 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM

But yes, it was a crutch, but we kinda needed it.

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

No we did not kinda need it. It wasted 3 billion dollars on a false economic bump. We KINDA need tax relief to stimulate the economy not huge money giveaways to some on the backs of all.

Wade on August 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM

liberal4eva told me the program was a success. Oh man…now who do I look to for wisdom? crr6?

WashJeff on August 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM

I didn’t take advantage of the program because I outright own the two gas hogging vehicles I have. An E150 handicap van and an F250 4×4.

By taking that program I would have had to literally throw away thousands of dollars in trade in value.

Ferget that.

Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

The dealers will get their money, the companies moved a lot of cars now, when they needed the cash most, and a few guys got called back to their middle class jobs in time to buy a new jeans for their kids to go back to school in. There’s a larger argument against stimulus spending, but accepted on its own terms C4C was a smashing success.

Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Just delaying the pain in MI.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Well said.

Wade on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

the irony is, if not for the C4C deal…in a month or so you may have been able to get the same deal without costing taxpayers anything as the 2010 models came in and the 2009 Excess Inventory had to go….think about it

jp on August 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM

WashJeff on August 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Don’t worry. Simplesimon or spathi will be right there for ya.

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM

This article ties in with the recessionary double dip article currently in the headlines.

The C4C program helped the current economy, but at the price of a bigger hit, down the road.

Why will the economic hit be bigger than the economic benefit?

1) 750,000 cars sold now, means 750,000 fewer cars sold over the next year. That part’s a wash.
2) The destruction of 750,000 clunkers means 750,000 people will have to live with their current cars for a few more years. That’s an economic negative.
3) The govt is going to have to either borrow, print, or tax the money to bay for this program. Another economic negative.

Get ready for a big dip, either late this year or early next. I’ll be very surprised if their is any recovery before the election. (Of course the media will try to claim that the economy is improving, but the numbers will not show it.)

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

If a total of 750,000 vehicles are sold, as appears likely

Wow, I must be rich…and here I thought I couldnt’ even afford ONE new car.

Laura in Maryland on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

GreenBlade on August 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Stupid government rejected my 24 mph 1987 Toyota Camry.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

It was not a success.

Have you ever worked at a car dealership? I have. They moved inventory, yes, but haven’t received their money in a timely manner. A dealer has only so many days after the sell of a car to pay off the “floor plan” – the loan from the bank they took out to pay the auto manufacuter for the car. The manufacture doesn’t give them cars to sell; they sell them the cars.

They could easily go bankrupt before the government sends them their money.

ladyingray on August 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM

For each case were they screw up the Paperwork, its a $15,000 fine. One of many reason’s many dealers abandoned the program altogether.

Also, the $4500 is like a Stimulus Check, it gets taxed as income

jp on August 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Thanks jp……taxed you say?? My my……

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Wow, I must be rich…and here I thought I couldnt’ even afford ONE new car.

Laura in Maryland on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Aren’t you glad we were able to help pay for all those cars, none of which we can afford to have for ourselves?

Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I heard that the dealers have until tomorrow to submit the C4C paperwork. I wonder just how long it will take for them to actually get paid!!

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

What happens if most of the forms get rejected, again.

Will they be allowed to continue resubmitting until the govt gets it right?

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

I bought my Equinox the week before the program started and got a great deal from a rural dealer who was not going to participate. C4C will not be complete until they pay the dealers.

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM

thats what a dealer told me Saturday, who was not doing the program.

jp on August 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Luckily it wasn’t a lot of money wasted…

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM

$3billion to save 12,000 gallons.

That’s what they call in baseball—a long run for a short slide.

Incompetence, writ large.

ted c on August 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Stupid government rejected my 24 mph 1987 Toyota Camry.

mankai on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Not to worry, GreenBlades post is a lie anyway. The C4C was for new cars, not almost new.

Wade on August 24, 2009 at 4:39 PM

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Maybe if you are a Park Avenue lib, but for me $3 billion is a hell of a lot of wasted money.

jbh45 on August 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM

What happens if most of the forms get rejected, again.

Will they be allowed to continue resubmitting until the govt gets it right?

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Your guess is as good as mine….from what I heard tomorrow is the extention!!

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:41 PM

thats what a dealer told me Saturday, who was not doing the program.

jp on August 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Thanks jp :-)

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I bought my Equinox the week before the program started

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

I was wondering, does an Equinox only run on March 21st and Sept. 21st?

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

It was not a success.

Have you ever worked at a car dealership? I have. They moved inventory, yes, but haven’t received their money in a timely manner. A dealer has only so many days after the sell of a car to pay off the “floor plan” – the loan from the bank they took out to pay the auto manufacuter for the car. The manufacture doesn’t give them cars to sell; they sell them the cars.

They could easily go bankrupt before the government sends them their money.

ladyingray on August 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM

The manufacturers are keeping the dealers afloat. No dealers will go bankrupt. While there were exceptions, the vast majority of the dealers thought the risk was low enough to stay with the program to the end.

Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:42 PM

What happens if most of the forms get rejected, again.

Will they be allowed to continue resubmitting until the govt gets it right?

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

That depends on how much each dealership has bundled for O.

Laura in Maryland on August 24, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Laura in Maryland on August 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Lol!

sammypants on August 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM

This also subsidized car purchases for people who could well afford to purchase a new car on their own.

Glad to know that my taxes are going to “help” people with incomes that are more than mine.

The hits keep coming from the corrupt, incompetent, glue-sniffing juvenile delinquents in the Obama “administration”.

NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM

WashJeff on August 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Don’t worry. Simplesimon or spathi will be right there for ya.

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Bleeds Blue came through for me and my trust in the federal government is restored. I knew Ed was wrong on this.

WashJeff on August 24, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Luckily it wasn’t a lot of money wasted…

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Not too bright are ya sweety??

Oops!! I told myself I wouldn’t reply to trolls!

RoxanneH on August 24, 2009 at 4:44 PM

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Nope. Runs great. My ’97 Voyager, however, is classified as a Rolls Canardly. It rolls down one hill and can ‘ardly get up the next.

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Glad to know that my taxes are going to “help” people with incomes that are more than mine.
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM

It would be interesting to find out the income average and the type of vehicles were sold under this cockamamie plan.

fourdeucer on August 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM

But in every casual conversation I had with anyone they were enthusiastic, positive, and uninformed about the C4C program. Doesn’t anyone think about government waste anymore? And that a major problem in this country.

AnotherOpinion on August 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM

And in 6 months it will help the reposession industry!

Repos on retreads… ahhhh, I’m sure the Administration will come up with some other ‘stimulus’ to help the reposession indusrty out. Soon we will all be Repomen making sure the wealth doesn’t get spread too thin.

ajacksonian on August 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM

kingsjester on August 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM

My mom once bought a little ford station wagon.

She called it “af”.

It was all that she could “af” ford.

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Same thing is happenign in the housing market. July saw the highest sales of existing homes in over a decade. That’s what happens when you give renters an $8,000 incentive to buy a house. What happens once that incentive ends?

All the folks who were even REMOTELY considering buying a house will have done so. And many of them, because they’ve never owned a home before, may have loans they can’t afford. That queasy deja vu sensation you’re feeling is from the housing bubble reinflating.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM

The dealers will get their money, the companies moved a lot of cars now, when they needed the cash most, and a few guys got called back to their middle class jobs in time to buy a new jeans for their kids to go back to school in. There’s a larger argument against stimulus spending, but accepted on its own terms C4C was a smashing success.

Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

“Accepting it on it’s own terms” means accepting the deficits of “stimulus” spending. The two are inseparable. Next, how many of the vehicles sold were of US manufacture? Whatever level below 100% is a defacto loss of american capital to a foreign economy. The time value of money for those whose “checks are in the mail” costs participating dealers interest charges against the loans they take to purchase their stock. And all of this for less than a 5% bump in annual unit demand (could be significantly less demanding on the number of people that were already willing to spend the money for a new vehicle).

Fighton03 on August 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM

What happens if most of the forms get rejected, again.

Will they be allowed to continue resubmitting until the govt gets it right?

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

The check is in the mail!!! The paperwork is quick and easy!! Buy low, sell high!!!

Whatever.

Most car dealers are going to get screwed.

mjk on August 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Luckily it wasn’t a lot of money wasted…

right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I sense sarcasm in that statement.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Never let a good crises go to waste!! What happens when the dealers don’t get paid? Do you really expect them to get their money? How many will go out of business? Oh that’s right just the ones that didn’t support OBAMA.

odannyboy on August 24, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Give this contestant a cigar!! I’ll take ‘What was the REAL reason for this program’ for 2000 Alex.

DanaSmiles on August 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM

What happens if most of the forms get rejected, again.

Will they be allowed to continue resubmitting until the govt gets it right?

MarkTheGreat on August 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Nope – if you resubmit a rejected form, and it gets rejected again, you are picked up and taken to a secret location, where you will be tortured with a comfy chair.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Never let a good crises go to waste!! What happens when the dealers don’t get paid? Do you really expect them to get their money? How many will go out of business? Oh that’s right just the ones that didn’t support OBAMA.

odannyboy on August 24, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Oh, I’m sure they’ll be given an opportunity to see the error of their ways and contribute mightily before their applications are rejected.

Fighton03 on August 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

I think Ed hit the main reasons why this is not a good plan. I have one quibble. He argued that 750,000 cars that would have been bought in future quarters were instead bought now. I’d argue it is even a little bit worsethan that. I’d argue that people have seen that the government is willing to jump in with something like this, and many more people will be willing to wait even longer in future quarters now than they would otherwise.

In other words, I think we’ve just put an even tighter demand side pressure on the manufacturers for as long as this program remains in the memory banks. There will be pressure put on by the consumers to revive this thing again. And if they do revive it, the cycle will repeat itself continuously.

I think this program is going to have much more negative long term affect on sales than most of us imagine. The more they go to the well, the worse it would get.

stldave on August 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Three billion dollars may not be the biggest boondoggle ever to come out of Washington, but it’s easily the dumbest — and one of the most incompetently handled.

EVAH until these Buffoons get their hands on HealthScare and what will easily become 3 trillion for destroying the best system in the world!

No mention of the fact that 7 of the top ten selling cars were FOREIGN?

Gotta love it the Dumbs attempt to bailout the unions sends them and theunions spiraling down in flames.
Go to bed with mangy dogs , wake up with fleas! PRICELESS!

Is SOMEONE all WEE WEED up there in D.C or are they all just smokin the WEED?

dhunter on August 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM

and thus dies the best example to date of the “Broken Window Fallacy

Up next? Cash for Coolers.

SBABG on August 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM

C4C put American taxpayers into more debt, just so 750,000 more Americans could go into more debt.

Edouard on August 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Well said. With the addition of ruining the used car market, destroying future demand for new cars, created a bureucratic nightmare for auto dealers, with a net negative effect on the environment.

C4C was an epic failure.

Norwegian on August 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM

September sales will be nil…..

I would venture a guess and say that GM & Chrysler will be shutting down production about Nov 15th. again.

Obama will try “Cash for Clunkers II” because the congress will be in no mood to keep folking over the bailout cash.

izoneguy on August 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM

and thus dies the best example to date of the “Broken Window Fallacy”

Up next? Cash for Coolers.

SBABG on August 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Up Next? “Cash for Circumcisions”

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7016193075?CDC%20Mulls%20Circumcision%20For%20All%20Baby%20Boys,%20Heterosexual%20Men%20To%20Counter%20HIV,%20AIDS

izoneguy on August 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Not to worry, GreenBlades post is a lie anyway. The C4C was for new cars, not almost new.<blockquote

Wade on August 24, 2009 at 4:39 PM

The dealer told me he had let his nephew and his girlfriend make out in the back seat so it is a moot technical point.

GreenBlade on August 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM

There’s a larger argument against stimulus spending, but accepted on its own terms C4C was a smashing success.

Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Well, it was successful at smashing old cars that could have been of use to low income people – other than that, not so much.

PackerBronco on August 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM

It amounts to a 0.13% reduction in gasoline consumption. The impact on carbon emissions is likely much less than that.

Actually, it only amounts to a reduction if people’s behavior doesn’t change even though their fuel efficiency has. A Prius may be more fuel efficient, but, if someone drives a Prius more often, eventually, you burn the same amount of fuel.

JadeNYU on August 24, 2009 at 5:17 PM

It would be interesting to find out the income average and the type of vehicles were sold under this cockamamie plan.

fourdeucer on August 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM

According to an article I read, a lot of people were using the C4C program to buy new Lexuses. Anybody who can afford a new Lexus shouldn’t be getting a $4,500 handout from taxpayers.

AZCoyote on August 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Can hardly wait to see the MSM video of EMPTY showrooms over the next several months. The ex-sales people now back on the unemployment line. The lines of cars being stored at factories NOW PAYING OVERTIME to build cars that won’t be sold.

Yep, get ‘shot in the arm’ to car manufacturers. Isn’t Obama Central Planning doing a great job for our economy?

What’s next? Cash for bicycles? Cash for toilets?

GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

“The fuel economy increase from the trade-in to new car seems large, but it doesn’t have that big of impact on environment,” he said.

Confirming what I posted when this debacle started.

And the same team of moonbats want to control your health care…

dogsoldier on August 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Was it worth $3 billion to save 12,000 barrels of oil a day? It amounts to a 0.13% reduction in gasoline consumption. The impact on carbon emissions is likely much less than that.

I smell something Fishy!

BigMike252 on August 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM

I’m not surprised. The Won’s policy all along has been to spend tomorrow’s income/production/etc today. It’s applying the consumer credit bubble far beyond housing; extending it to every facet of life within Uncle Sam’s grasp, and reaching for still more.

Blacksmith on August 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

How many people are going to refrain from trading in their older cars now that they can’t get the extra $4500?
Typical liberal policy—failure built in.

DDT on August 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Today, Beck is attributing CFC to Obama’s Green Czar Van Jones.

And FWIW, Beck just scared the p*** out of me about Jones. How can he even pass an FBI background check?

BuckeyeSam on August 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Don’t forget the charities that sucked wind as soon as the program started.

Rockygold on August 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM

So, what’s MY share of paying for YOUR car?

Jeff from WI on August 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Can hardly wait to see the MSM video of EMPTY showrooms over the next several months. The ex-sales people now back on the unemployment line. The lines of cars being stored at factories NOW PAYING OVERTIME to build cars that won’t be sold.

Yep, get ’shot in the arm’ to car manufacturers. Isn’t Obama Central Planning doing a great job for our economy?

What’s next? Cash for bicycles? Cash for toilets?

GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

GM & Chrysler won’t make next spring.Perhaps Ford can hold out as long as the government lets them build F-150s

Jeff from WI on August 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

The very idea that we funded foreign companies to a large degree with tax payer dollars is what irks me the most.

Great, we stimulated the Japanaese, Korean, and European markets.

Brilliant. Wonderful. Does no one have a concept of the nation-state?

Thelockean on August 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM

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