Cap-and-trade will seriously damage gasoline refining
posted at 1:36 pm on August 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Most of the focus on the damage coming from cap-and-trade has focused on electrical prices and their multiplier effect throughout the economy, but that won’t be the only place consumers feel the pinch. The Wall Street Journal reports on a study which shows that gasoline refining in the US — already unable to meet demand — will get further damaged by Waxman-Markey. Production will drop by 17% after it goes into law, and the US will have to import even more of its gasoline, leading to higher prices and more reliance on foreign producers:
Proposed federal legislation aimed at curbing global warming would drastically reduce domestic fuel production, according to a new study commissioned by the oil industry as part of its campaign to oppose new restrictions.
The report’s findings, which are expected to be released Monday, project that by 2030, U.S. refining production could drop 17% from today’s levels if the climate bill is passed as currently proposed. The drop would have to be made up by foreign imports, the study says, meaning the U.S. could end up relying on other countries for 19.4% of its refined fuel — nearly twice the amount it imports today.
The American Petroleum Institute, the U.S. oil industry’s main trade group, commissioned the study in an effort to hammer home its argument that restrictions on emissions will be a burden on U.S. refiners. Although part of an attempt to derail the bill, the report gives the first detailed prediction of the legislation’s impact on refining operations. The report was done by EnSys Energy, a consultancy that specializes in the refining sector.
The report also underscores the bleak prospects for refiners, who have had profits wiped out by slumping demand during the recession.
During the 2008 price escalation, most Americans realized that our dependence on foreign producers left us vulnerable to supply shocks and whims of hostile regimes overseas. Even though we buy most of our oil from the Western Hemisphere, with Canada and Mexico our primary partners, oil prices reflect a worldwide market. Embargoes and production reductions by other producers raise prices of crude oil around the world. The same is even more true of refining exporters, a narrower category where individual producers can have a bigger impact.
In 2008, both John McCain and Barack Obama proposed solving the problem with an explosion of renewable-energy resources, but McCain understood that it would take decades to bring that to fruition and proposed an aggressive use of American oil, coal, and natural-gas resources in the next 15 years as a transition. Obama paid lip service to this idea but in practice has opposed it. Waxman-Markey’s allowances tilt heavily towards electricity production and almost ignore refiners. While the growth of demand for gasoline will decline as cars get more efficient, the demand itself will not drop nearly enough to compensate for the lack of domestic production.
The result? We will either make ourselves even more reliant on more expensive imports, or we will run out of gasoline during peak demand periods. The latter will lead to rationing such as that seen during the 1973-4 and 1979 energy crises, where people waited for hours in long lines to get limited supplies of gasoline for their primary transportation. Waxman-Markey leads directly to that result, and not in 20 years but in just a few years after implementation.
Instead of making ourselves more self-reliant, the Obama administration will put us even more at the mercy of foreign suppliers of energy. Will we wait until we get stuck in those rationing lines to realize it?









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Cap and Trade, making it easier for Government to take your money, and hard for you to get to work to pay them!
upinak on August 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
What will need gasoline for when most of us won’t have jobs anyway?
The Obama “administration” thinks of everything.
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
If you accept that everything being done is purposefully malicious; it makes sense.
Otherwise, it doesn’t.
lorien1973 on August 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Cap our economic growth potential and Trade away our prosperity.
BPD on August 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Cap and Tax will be a harder sale than Health Care Rationing!
Keef Overbite on August 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Hello 1977…
gas lines, “No Gas” signs…..
hmmm–nostalgia…
ted c on August 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I hear that there are lots of opportunities for socializing while waiting in the gas lines.
myrenovations on August 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Since we’ll need more foreign oil, I guess it’s a good thing we’re sending $10 billion to Brazil so they can do more offshore drilling.
Buy American, I always say. Well, in this case SOUTH American.
Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM
My US Rep, Al Green, D-TX9 has finally scheduled a town hall on health care for tomorrow night. I really want to ask him about his vote for Cap & Trade though.
DanMan on August 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Hey, look on the bright side–Brazil’s refining capacity will probably improve….
ted c on August 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Precisely. It’s all part of the plan folks.
TopLawyer on August 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Or, if they were smart, realized the incredible amount of power financial players can wield when they decide to corner the market on oil.
The Calibur on August 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Cap and Tax will be a harder sale than Health Care Rationing!
Keef Overbite on August 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Keef Overbite on August 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Increasing MPG
Never cut demand before.
Why should it now?
Driven miles go up
Much faster than MPG.
Has always been so.
Haiku Guy on August 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM
How about we just remove all these idiotic liberals from office and throw out all the crap they passed?
We’re gonna need an awfully big septic tank to hold it all.
Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM
+1000 No one wants to believe it, but it’s the truth.
marklmail on August 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM
If we’re not working, then we’re not paying taxes and we’re not buying gasoline, which means the oil companies aren’t paying as much in taxes. So all government has to do to pay off our debt is to raise taxes again… wait… I sense a problem with this logic…
Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM
It’s about money & power. Period.
txag92 on August 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM
We can combine lines.
Wait for a doctor and gas,
All at the same time.
Haiku Guy on August 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I’ve been saying it since February. It took me a month to figure out it really is deliberate. It’s the only way anything makes sense, as lorien said.
Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
just an other day in the oboobi adminasration.
SHARPTOOTH on August 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Let’s cap and trade the liberals.
BPD on August 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
This is exactly what these people want.
Do you really believe the left in this country actually wants an expanding economy?
If you do, I have a bridge you might be interested in.
Dave R. on August 24, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Quit complaining you racist, brooks brothers, evil-mongers. All we need to go do is go out and have everybody buy the Government Motors 2010 Chevy Volt, it’s only $50,000. Problem solved.
NickelAndDime on August 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Atleast the cars will be lighter to push this time. Those damned Oldsmobiles & Lincolns in the 70′s were about 5200 lbs.!! Those wood sided Country squires were no light weights either.
portlandon on August 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Of course this is about choking off refiners to aid in the punishment of Americans. This is another knife put to America’s collective throat to expand the influence peddling empire of the Democrats.
rob verdi on August 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM
The only thing going to save us from Dear Leader’s malevolence is His incompetence.
rbj on August 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM
LOL-Actually, I’d rather Crap and Tax them.
Dave R. on August 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM
just don’t question their patriotism.
rob verdi on August 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Can’t have cars and gasoline. They want trains.
ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
When we march on Washington, I hope that we combat every tentacle of this socialist octapus including Cap&Tax. Based on a hoax, and will bankrupt American businesses and families even more.
Tentacles:
1) Obamacare
2) Cap & Tax
3) Card Check
4) Porkulus — repeal it
5) Cash for Clunkers
6) Nationalizing Banks
7) Nationalizing Auto Industry
8) Cash for Kitchen Appliances (coming to a store near you.)
Don’t let em destroy the Consitution in an effort to pay bribes to their voters.
Christian Conservative on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
At this point I think just capping their asses is the best option.
Spiritk9 on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I work in this industry. We have 4,500+ rigs that haul from the refineries to your local quick-stop. Those rigs run 24/7/365. Few realize that a lot of stations require a rig-a-day just to stay open. If we have to cut back then it isn’t too hard to put 2+2 together. A few million ‘quick-stops’ employ a tremendous number of people. Without gas to sell they will not get all those inside sales that keep the doors open.
Limerick on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM
They’re going to raise taxes on the 10 people who are still “rich” after the Obama “administration” gets through with the country.
And none of them will be named “Soros”.
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Follow the money…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8217449.stm
Classic take from U.S. – give to them!
FloridaBill on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
What about what limiting underground hydraulic well cracking will do to oil well drilling.
By now probably everyone has figured out, Obama wants to destroy America’s economy any way he can.
tarpon on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
China gets cars & USA gets bicycles.
We swapped fortunes.
portlandon on August 24, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Side industries reliant on oil should be considered in these equations.
E.g. plastics … and for the lefties out there wanting us to live in caves – it’s what your keyboard is made of.
BowHuntingTexas on August 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM
This should be obvious. Needless to say the liberals will just blow it off. After all, if the AMA backs the public option that is good because they are the experts, but when energy producers talk energy that is bad because they are evil..or something like that.
Terrye on August 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Y’know, I really look forward to Obama’s assault on food production and distribution capability in this country. Someone at American Thinker indicated that a country balances on three pillars, food, military and trust. He’s eroding our trust in him, the military won’t ever trust him, then next up is food….
It’s going to start looking like Somalia here.
Meanwhile, the lightworker vacations…..
ted c on August 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM
$9 TRILLION IN DEBT on our way to at least $15 TRILLION until we can end HOPEYCHANGEY…..
SDarchitect on August 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Yes, but who would want them…….
Chainsaw56 on August 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I can only work up my ire and research on one thing at a time. At the moment, I am relatively unconcerned about cap and trade.
With all that’s going on with Health Care, there’s no way Cap and Trade passes this year.
If it doesn’t pass this year, it’s dead. It’s not going to pass in an election year.
Actually, there is one way it passes this year. If Health Care Reform fails, the House may pass cap and trade just to give Obama some sort of victory.
Chris of Rights on August 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Wait a minute it’s my phone ringing…………….Oh it’s Rahm “F-Word” Emmanuel……………he says who cares if taxes and energy costs go up using Cap and Trade – he says, “Never waste a great crisis!” Hey, what will The Messiah do I asked Rahm, after the American people kick him out of office in 3 years? He said, “Not to worry – always crack to sell”………….hey makes sense to me……and since he’s a Dem, he can get good access to school yards in Chi-Town…..
Cinday Blackburn on August 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Yeah, it’s global warming. Africa has never had heat and drought problems before.
Daggett on August 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM
It’s like we are all sitting in a room full of explosives……..
………. and Obama comes in and lights a fuse.
Everyone is looking around shocked and stunned………..
…….. and the press just says, “Aaaaahhhh, how cute!”
Seven Percent Solution on August 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM
The late 70s were the heyday of the left. They want those times back. They feed on suffering, especially widespread and generalized suffering, because that level of hopelessness conditions folks to cry out to the government.
That is the dream of the left, to rule the souls of men.
spmat on August 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Hey, at least those can run on wood burning fires – just stay out of tunnels.
Chainsaw56 on August 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
From the dem perspective, that would be a feature, not a bug.
ICBM on August 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Bakken and Three Forks oil producers up in North Dakota, our fastest-growing energy producing state, have enough of a problem with the lack of refineries and pipeline outlets.
Cap n’ Trade would kill it, along with the billions of barrels of the yet-untappped domestic oil production from North Dakota alone.
TexasJew on August 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
I’m going to make my car run on spit. So every time I think about Obama and get mad, I’ll spit into my gas tank.
blatantblue on August 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
I don’t believe this quote. Cars may become more efficient but with the growth in population the number of cars will increase as well. The demand will increase rather than decreasing.
As for the use of electricity instead of gas – well remember Ogabe himself has said he’s going to SKYROCKET the price of electricity. Good luck getting folks to start using that gold-plated energy instead.
Ogabe on August 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Obama is already on record for supporting $4/gal gasoline. As for supporting drilling. Obama is for that to. His administration has already advanced $2 BILLION to Brazil so they can drill off THEIR coast. Great energy policy we have. Obama even appointed a Sec Energy who knows nothing about all, but all about green unicorns and sunlight.
GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 1:57 PM
The draft budget removes funding for the planned nuclear-waste storage facility in Nevada, which has been 20 years and more than $9 billion in the making. A Department of Energy spokeswoman told Bloomberg that President Obama and Energy Secretary Steven Chu “have been emphatic that nuclear waste storage at Yucca Mountain is not an option, period.”
Don’t forget this little piece of news.
fourdeucer on August 24, 2009 at 1:57 PM
On another thought, the enviro’s always hail the Brazilians for their ethanol energy. If it’s so freakin’ great, why do they need to drill for oil in the first place?
GarandFan on August 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM
You forgot the even/odd day limitations on buying gas.
highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Eh, probably to sell it on the market and make a pretty penny
blatantblue on August 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM
fourdeucer,
I had the exact same thought, cut off certain energy industries at the roots and it makes their eventual destruction that much easier for the left. And by destruction, I mean absorption by Government.
rob verdi on August 24, 2009 at 2:00 PM
It’s only $9B The filthy liar in the White house blows through three times that in a single day.
highhopes on August 24, 2009 at 2:00 PM
How many people are employed in the domestic oil and gas industry? If they go through with this my family will have to get in the soup lines.
TXMomof3 on August 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Crap-and-betrayed is dead. If they fumbled this badly on health care, then there’s no way they’ll be able to sell the deliberate destruction of our economy to combat the myth of global warming to the public.
I swear, I don’t know how the GOP doesn’t steamroll Obama in 2012. The debates should literally be nothing more than 2 hours of a verbal beatdown on the guy for screwing up everything.
Doughboy on August 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM
That’s ok, we’ll just buy more from Lula and Chavez.
Akzed on August 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Yup
RagTag on August 24, 2009 at 2:02 PM
yes these are being done for malicious reasons, the enemy of the Democrat is American institutions, destroy them and its mission accomplished for the left.
rob verdi on August 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM
If that’s not true it oughta be.
Akzed on August 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM
TXMomof3,
and that is exactly where the left wants you.
rob verdi on August 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM
If it is, I wish it weren’t.
spmat on August 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM
If Obama, or as highhopes calls him,if the filthy liar in the whitehouse has he way we are going to have blackouts, brownouts and gas lines worse than any natural disaster.
fourdeucer on August 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM
I have one question here:
If we are to move from internal combustion engines to batteries, what is going to be the environmental cost of all that battery manufacturing and eventual disposal?
rbj on August 24, 2009 at 2:09 PM
***
Don’t worry about lack of refineries causing the price of gas to rise. Congress just REPEALED THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND! And they are working on repealing the Laws of Thermodynamics so that all cars will get 100 percent efficiency instead of the 20 percent that we get now.
***
And don’t worry that oil imports are paid for in EUROS–not dollars–and that the wild spending and money printing will cause drastic devaluation of the dollar and higher dollar prices for the same EURO valued oil.
***
Worry about the increase of bicycle prices–the “greenies” want to see us pedaling 20 miles to / from work every day!
***
Hope and Change you can(‘t) believe in.
***
John Bibb
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rocketman on August 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM
You’re the kid at the birthday party always insisting that the magician tell you how he did the trick.
myrenovations on August 24, 2009 at 2:11 PM
There is almost nothing that we touch in day to day business/life that is not derived from petroleum or was moved with petroleum. This bill will make refiners have to purchase credits just to produce normal volumes, hence prediction of lost production. Either way the cost of everything goes up until they succeed in bankrupting refiners and taking over another sector of industry. The big oil companies that produce oil may make it, I am not so sure about the refinning side that has to purchase their oil for operations and are much more vulnerable to U.S. market conditions.
bluemarlin on August 24, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Odd and even numbered license plates, hostages taken for over a year. Yes, memories, once distant I see on the horizen yet again.
DrAllecon on August 24, 2009 at 2:13 PM
The Democrats are smarter than I thought. They have finally figured out the Law of Unintended Consequences. If you intend the worst then nothing bad can happen.
SittingDeadRed on August 24, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Absolutely.
Alana on August 24, 2009 at 2:19 PM
How surprising — a study funded by the oil industry finds fault with cap and trade. Also, the sun rises in the East.
Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Remember how bad the situation was after Hurricane Ike shut down Houston for a week? Imagine that scenario every day, and you will get the picture.
Vashta.Nerada on August 24, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Taking Welfare to the Global level.
Here in Nebraska, they are advertising Cap-and-Trade programs for farmers. Apparently they can take productive farmland out of production and plant carbon-harvesting crops, like trees and get paid to do it.
What could go wrong?
cntrlfrk on August 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM
The proposed regulations on hydraulic fracturing will cut the domestic natural gas supply by 25-30%.
Vashta.Nerada on August 24, 2009 at 2:30 PM
In 1998 not one single senator would vote for kyoto. Now we have had ten years of global cooling…er global climate change and we are going to destroy our economy. Common Sense it was nice knowing you.
BTW, I got a thousand that says there will always be enough jet fuel for our overlords in the federal government.
jukin on August 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Cap and trade will never pass. The Dems aren’t that stupid. Should they become that stupid, Republicans will run an “undo it” platform and re-take Congress. That is, provided Republicans aren’t too stupid to do that.
orlandocajun on August 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Either Obummer is ignorant, which is scary, apathetic, which is scarier, or he knows exactly what he’s doing, which is the scariest
Bevan on August 24, 2009 at 2:32 PM
You’re right we should trust other experts on the oil industry, like the EPA, Greenpeace or ABC News.
Because we know they would never lie to us, to advance a political agenda.
Besides, they know tons more about the oil industry than the oil industry does.
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 2:32 PM
One of my people, much smarter than me, helped gather some of the data used in this report. She tells me that in order to give the report maximum cred, API required the consulting firm to give every financial assumption being made by C &T advocates the most optimistic view (from their standpoint) — even if the assumptions were unrealistic or improbable.
Hence, I suspect the actual impact on domestic refiners will be far worse than the report shows.
TXUS on August 24, 2009 at 2:34 PM
You underestimate their stupidness.
cntrlfrk on August 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM
What a shock — a liberal shilling for a massive expansion of government that makes no contribution toward its stated goals, costs many billions of dollars, millions of jobs and kneecaps America.
Liberal talking points: “Well, it may be useless, but gee, it sure is expensive!”
mr.blacksheep on August 24, 2009 at 2:37 PM
I would trust either of those organizations (OK, not Greenpeace) to be substantially more honest regarding the oil industry’s motives than the oil industry itself. ABC executives will get paid the same whether cap-and-trade passes or not. Exxon executives will not.
Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I’m sure you would, but I don’t trust ABC or any of the so-called “news” networks to tell the truth about anything.
They are about “making a difference”, not about reporting the news.
Exxon is an international company. If Cap and Trade makes oil more expensive and precious, they will make more money selling oil to India and China, while they eat our economic lunch.
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 2:44 PM
If cap and trade diminishes demand for oil, prices will drop and oil companies will earn less. That’s why oil companies have been funding anti-climate change “studies” and propaganda for years.
Strange that you should so distrust one large corporation (ABC) yet give the oil industry a by.
Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM
How naive of you….If ABC does not support cap&trade, then there goes there access to Obama. There goes their cocktail parties.
I would say that ABC has more vested interest in this then Exxon, those execs (Exxon) will get their pay.
Exxon makes more money from us not having refining…they get to charge more for their products with limited production.
Here is a quick history lesson from Calif.
Companies “fought” new regulatory standards from the EPA in handling gas at the pump. New tanks, new monitoring systems, new pumps, tens of thousands of dollars per station to replace old equipment. The environmentalists were ecstatic, they “stuck” it to the gas companies….except, the gas companies were actually for the regulation. They were behind much of the campaign to “force them into compliance”. They could charge more, but more importantly, it drove the individual owner out of business since they didn’t have the resources (money) to refit their stations so they had to give their franchises back to the major companies.
Then the majors could charge whatever they wanted….
Let me assure you, there is not one gov. regulator, one Senator or Congressman as smart as the average Oil exec. No matter what they do, the oil companies will make their money…it is whether we allow them, at a benefit to us, or at a detriment to us.
right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM
I see your problem, right there. Lack of logic.
Vashta.Nerada on August 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM
This is past the point of insanity.
The liberals want us to be “green” by not using oil or coal because humans are destroying the Earth. The fact that liberals are arrogant enough to believe that humans possess this type of power is mind boggling. It signifies the very problem with liberals, their never ending arrogance about the human race.
Pollution is a problem, climate change is natural. We are merely ants in a very large ant farm. When “Earth” wants to be done with us, she will make it happen.
Back to the liberals. So we can not use oil or coal. Solutions? Nuclear power? No. Wind power? No (might kill a few birds). They leave us with only one option, do not use anything to generate power.
Liberals are no different than Bin Laden. Both want America to be a third world country that lives in caves.
rukiddingme on August 24, 2009 at 2:54 PM
You don’t “diminish” demand by mandate, you have to create a substitute…so far no substitute.
Show me in history where a government has lowered a price by making it more difficult to obtain.
Now here is the ultimate question…define “If”, in your sentence.
right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM
This poster slept through the first week of their econ class…
right2bright on August 24, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Comment of the Day™
steveegg on August 24, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Bleeds Blue on August 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Cap and trade won’t diminish demand for oil because there is nothing out there that will replace oil.
Not to mention, Asian economies such as China and India are increasing their demand, which would sop up any diminishment of our demand.
Asia and even European economies like Germany are emerging from the recession, while we remain stuck in the mud. Why? Because of idiotic legislation looming out there, like Cap and Trade. You can’t blame Bush any longer.
NoDonkey on August 24, 2009 at 2:59 PM
And how are you going to force China, India, Russia, and the rest of the world to decrease their demand for oil?
Oh wait, I already know the answer, you won’t.
rukiddingme on August 24, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Isn’t that what you are doing?
Meanwhile, they are showing “Inconvenient Truth” in schools spreading propaganda for those who stand to make fortunes from Cap-and-Trade.
But oil companies are evil because they make money supplying this country with the very energy that we could not survive without.
cntrlfrk on August 24, 2009 at 3:03 PM
But, we’ll just be able to get all the gas we need from our friends in Brazil. Right…and I have a swamp in Arizona for sale.
Kissmygrits on August 24, 2009 at 3:03 PM
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