When a democracy reaches a point where the politicians cannot say no to the people, and both parties are competing for votes by promising even more spending or even lower taxes, or both, the experiment is about over. — Pat……

I think Palin is inadequately supportive of capitalism and freedom, therefore I am an Obama-worshiping communist. Got it. You Palin groupies never cease to astound me.

hicsuget on August 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM

You’re the one who came to a Palin thread and started bad-mouthing her, so who has the fixation here? I agree with her point about Obamacare. I agree with her on energy issues and just about everything, and I’m certainly not alone. If her Facebook page can alter an outcome like it already did, then I’m certainly not alone in thinking Sarah Palin is a strong conservative voice and an advocate for capitalism and freedom.

I backed that up with examples from her time as Governor of Alaska.

AGIA is a free market solution. The Alaskan Permanent Fund is capitalism, and it was introduced over 30 years ago by another Republican governor. Palin’s first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to the partners of gay state employees. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska’s AG on the constitutionality of the legislation. So, hicsuget IS WRONG.

alliebobbitt on August 24, 2009 at 9:50 AM

So, you make some stupid comment

Conservatives believe in neither freedom nor capitalism–as evinced by Sarah Palin’s record as governor of Alaska, and the McCain/Palin platform, among other things.

hicsuget on August 24, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Let’s see… baseless ad hominem attacks. Vague generalities about capitalism and freedom. Non-specifics about either platforms or policy.

You sure sound like “an Obama-worshiping communist” to me. A valid point or sign of independent thought might have convinced me otherwise.

How can you affect meaningful change in what is clearly a broken system when you insist on playing within the boundaries of the same two party system that brought you this lovely mess?

Because the two-party system is not the problem. Revolving doors are the problem. Corruption is the problem. Not holding politicians accountable for their actions or holding them to their campaign promises is the problem.

Neither party is perfect, but our government as envisioned by the Founders is the closest thing to perfection you will find. And the Republican party is the de facto libertarian party. That’s reality.

The Tea Party movement understands this point and is holding both sides of the isle accountable.

Goodeye_Closed on August 24, 2009 at 9:54 AM

It’s A-I-S-L-E. When you get married, you walk down an aisle. Same goes for shopping at the supermarket or voting. We are not talking about islands.

The Tea Party movement is made up of Democrats who feel betrayed and of Republicans who will not remain silent. Some people are having their political awakening. However, it is an issue that is being debated, much like the CRM and the Vietnam draft. It has nothing to do with parties, so what’s your point? It’s certainly not against any parties, except maybe the one in power.

Conservatives believe in neither freedom nor capitalism–as evinced by Sarah Palin’s record as governor of Alaska, and the McCain/Palin platform, among other things.

hicsuget on August 24, 2009 at 9:36 AM

So, give examples now. You’re obviously “just making stuff up,” as your jug-eared hero likes to say.

alliebobbitt on August 24, 2009 at 9:41 AM

As you know, leftists believe in slavery, communism and killing babies, among other things.

darwin on August 24, 2009 at 10:00 AM

I think Palin is inadequately supportive of capitalism and freedom, therefore I am an Obama-worshiping communist. Got it. You Palin groupies never cease to astound me.

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/texas-governor-rick-perry-sarah-palin-is-the-face-of-america/

Palin-Dr. Zero ticket in 2012. WooHoo!!!!!

kriscoleman

Vice President Doctor Zero, I presume.

Health care is rationed now, ladies and gentlemen; it just uses ability to pay as a proxy instead of whatever reasons the “death panels” will choose.

Mew

acat on August 24, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Any examples of how healthcare in the U.S. is currently “rationed” by “ability to pay?”

Health care is rationed now, ladies and gentlemen; it just uses ability to pay as a proxy instead of whatever reasons the “death panels” will choose.

No, very often, it uses your willingness, not ability, to pay, and the market is thoroughly distorted by things that require, inter alia, 22-year-old college graduates to subsidise the fertility treatments of a 45-year-old who couldn’t figure out that she’s better off having babies sooner rather than later.

Back to the “willingness” to pay part: your health, food, and shelter should come first. First. Anything else – newer car, bigger house, buying instead of renting, etc – is a value judgment that one’s life does not matter as much as those things. Alternatively, it’s a gamble that one won’t actually get sick and need health coverage (or health care), but there’s no reason why everyone else should help out someone who loses that gamble. It would be like socialising losses at Caesar’s Palace.

antoniojvr on August 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Hey, moron, that was a hoax and you apparently fell for it. That says more about you than it does about Palin. Next time, do a little research before you spout off and make a fool of yourself. Glad you left the party. One less cringe-worthy idiot to deal with.

I like Palin.

I wish Krauthammer liked (or at least respected) Palin.

Yes, Palin is an easy target to identify and try to freeze. I think you’d agree, though, that she’s far from dead.

The thing that amazes me is the number of people who mingle the ideas of “death panels” and “end of life counseling” when they’re actually quite separate.

The latter is plainly spelled out, giving an incentive to doctors to discuss options other than “heroics”. While I don’t like the idea, having dealt with the death of one elder parent, I see the point to discussing the elephant rather than letting it hide in the corner.

The former, “death panels”, is not the same thing at all, but instead refers to those who will decide about the rationing of health care that will, eventually, take place, and who *WILL* as the cost spirals, decide who doesn’t get care.

Health care is rationed now, ladies and gentlemen; it just uses ability to pay as a proxy instead of whatever reasons the “death panels” will choose.

Mew

It’s because they understandably seek out leadership on complex issues, and leaders have a knack for rendering fearfully complicated issues down to their essential truths.

While the Left is left to “recalibrate” their comments, flailing to find a context for their ideas that does not disgust the electorate.

While I disagree with Allah quite often (although usually I keep it to just quietly muttering to myself) he’s a good balance.

The Republican party, just like the Democrat party, is a coalition. There *are* atheist-Republicans, and the Religious types forget or diss them at their own peril. The reverse is also true, which I’m pretty sure Allah gets.

Mew

By keeping Sarah out of the room we might life he11 for the Alinksy democrats. They cannot wage war on the American people. Let them call us nazis, or evil-doers, or fascists.. they’re killing themselves doing it.

tflst5 on August 24, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I like your strategy: roll over and play dead. It has worked so well for the GOP in the past./sarc.

The Democrats live and die by their Alinsky tactics. If the Conservative movement ever makes any kind of hay they always find a scapegoat and mercilessly slaughter it. When Sarah opened her mouth on healthcare they pounced. Their tried to turn the healthcare debate into a debate about Sarah Palin. “Look at what the idiot said again”. She had a point, but it didn’t matter.

By keeping Sarah out of the room we might life he11 for the Alinksy democrats. They cannot wage war on the American people. Let them call us nazis, or evil-doers, or fascists.. they’re killing themselves doing it.

Conservatives believe in neither freedom nor capitalism–as evinced by Sarah Palin’s record as governor of Alaska, and the McCain/Palin platform, among other things.

hicsuget on August 24, 2009 at 9:36 AM

As you know, leftists believe in slavery, communism and killing babies, among other things.

In what universe is this statement true? It surely is false in ours. Conservatives believe in neither freedom nor capitalism–as evinced by Sarah Palin’s record as governor of Alaska, and the McCain/Palin platform, among other things.

hicsuget on August 24, 2009 at 9:36 AM

As you send your comments from the 16th dimension.

Please say your name backwards and return at once from whence you came.

I’m so sick of concern trolls
alliebobbitt on August 24, 2009

So now a troll is anyone who disagrees with a strict party affiliation even when it’s a conservative on a conservative blog.

Wonderful…I think this illustrates my point exactly.

How can you affect meaningful change in what is clearly a broken system when you insist on playing within the boundaries of the same two party system that brought you this lovely mess?

The Tea Party movement understands this point and is holding both sides of the isle accountable.