Why Sarah Palin should not leave the room
posted at 11:30 am on August 23, 2009 by Doctor Zero
When I began writing for Hot Air, I never imagined I would find myself critical of Charles Krauthammer twice, after only blogging for four months. I’ve followed his work for years, and still eagerly read everything he publishes. He writes brilliantly on many topics, but he just doesn’t get Sarah Palin, or by extension her supporters… which by further extension means he misunderstands the precarious moment America finds itself in, and the opportunities that lie ahead for conservatives.
Let me dispense with the most controversial part of Krauthammer’s recent Town Hall column first: this condescending nonsense about asking Palin to “leave the room” while “we have a reasoned discussion about end-of-life counseling.” There’s only one group of people who needs to leave the room during that discussion, and it’s the socialist zealot in the White House, along with the craven cowards in his party. They’ve already demonstrated a remarkable gift for swiftly leaving the room when people start asking tough questions, so we’ll hardly notice when they slink out. Maybe while they’re gone, they could find the billions in Cash for Clunkers money that vanished into thin air.
Those Facebook pages she’s tossing around like ninja throwing stars are eloquent proof that no one has the right to pat Sarah Palin on the head and send her out of the room, while the grown-ups settle down to serious talk. She isn’t just writing snarky rants. She’s providing both devastatingly effective criticism, and substantial policy alternatives. It’s fairly obvious the White House paid a great deal of attention to her infamous “death panel” column. I haven’t seen that many people turned into nervous wrecks by Facebook since the last time the “Mafia Wars” servers went down.
As many others have noted, Krauthammer begins his latest essay with his bizarrely offensive demand that Palin “leave the room,” then spends the rest of the essay essentially agreeing with her. It seems fair to say that his problem is more with her style than her substance. He misconstrues the “death panel” comment in a manner that suggests he might not have read her original Facebook posting. The “death panel” solar flare occurs in this paragraph:
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
There is no doubt Obama and his allies want to drive the United States toward a single-payer health system. Some of his more colorful co-conspirators, like Barney Frank, aren’t particularly cagey about it when they speak in front of friendly audiences, and Obama himself has expressed that desire in the past. A health-insurance industry dominated by a tax-subsidized public option, whose vampiric “providers” can re-write the laws of the industry to destroy their nominal competitors, will inevitably collapse… leaving only the government. Tossing a shark into your aquarium is not a good way to enhance “competition” among the fish. When America inevitably loses enough blood to lapse into a single-payer coma, there will be rationing, and that means government functionaries will decide how the limited pool of medical resources is allocated. I don’t think “death panel” is an unfair metaphor for the resulting system, and the sense of dread it provokes in the listener is entirely appropriate.
The death panel doesn’t have to take the form of nine robed Sith Lords, stamping your grandmothers’ termination orders with a giant red skull, then handing them to a ghoul in surgical scrubs. It will be no less deadly if it consists of thousands of faceless government drones in cubicles, processing Quality of Life spreadsheets and crossing out the unlucky Social Security numbers with pink highlighter pens. In fact, my only quibble with Palin’s prediction is that, given the style of the current Administration, it is much more likely that we’ll have a Death Czar. Using the same Noonan-swooning judgment that gave us a tax cheat for Treasury Secretary, Obama will appoint a serial killer to the position. The Death Czar’s first official act will be spending $2 billion in taxpayer dollars to hire a Brazilian company, which will extract organs from Americans after they receive their end-of-life counseling, then ship them overseas for use in foreign patients.
What Palin brings to the health-care debate is the energy, wisdom, and wit to make complex ideas understandable to ordinary people. Let me once again restate my admiration for Charles Krauthammer before saying, with regrettably brutal candor, that Sarah Palin had more impact on the health-care debate with one Facebook note than everything Krauthammer has written in the past year. That’s not because people are shallow, and didn’t pay attention until Palin kicked off a media firestorm. It’s because they understandably seek out leadership on complex issues, and leaders have a knack for rendering fearfully complicated issues down to their essential truths. Ordinary Americans are more eager to entertain appealing speech from an engaging personality, than sign up for a long series of dry lectures, no matter how brilliant the lecturer might be… and they don’t view their ballots as comment cards, to be completed on their way out of the lecture hall.
Every political movement needs both academic intelligence, and vital charisma. The Left has always viewed the relationship between its intellectuals and politicians as something like the production and marketing departments in a business – and when it comes to accumulating power, socialists are all business. People like Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers spent decades weaving the strings that control the Obama marionette. They openly wrote of their understanding that savvy merchandising would be needed to make the public accept their agenda, at least until the public no longer has a meaningful choice about accepting it. When was the last time you heard a leftist intellectual belittle a popular liberal politician, the way Charles Krauthammer treated Sarah Palin?
The challenge for conservatism is to educate the voters in its basic principles, since they received no such education in the public schools. Conservatism always triumphs on the elementary questions of freedom and capitalism. The ideas of the Left are diseased in root and branch – history has shown there is no need to allow them to blossom, in order to see they are poisonous. Conservatives who allow themselves to be dragged into bickering about page 945 of a 1200-page bill have already conceded far too much of the debate. Americans deserve better than being told to sit down and shut up, while Washington plays Jenga with Obama’s obscene health-care proposals. They should be angry and insulted their time and money were ever wasted with this madness.
If Obama were the CEO of a private company, he would have already been “asked to leave the room” by the shareholders, and he’d be driving home in tears, listening to voice mail messages from the company lawyers. Unfortunately, it’s not so easy to dispose of corrupt and incompetent elected officials… which is why they should be provided with the smallest possible operating budget, watched like hawks, and kept out of everything that isn’t their explicit Constitutional duty. We can begin the process in 2010, and finish it in 2012. I’d like to have both Charles Krauthammer and Sarah Palin in the room while we prepare for battle. I know she won’t ask him to leave.
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“Jesus”?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
“Ghandi”?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Mebbe a cross between George Jefferson (but not as slick), Bill Murray (but not as funny), and Mr. Haney from Green Acres (definitely as dishonest)
Katfish on August 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I am tolerant of many things, but I can’t stand intolerance or lying for fun and profit. I am taking into consideration your observations about her. I’m also taking into consideration my observations of you, so I’m not giving much weight to your observations at all.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Now that’s what we like to hear. Before you know it you will be a whacked out, over the top, red-blooded, maniacal Palinista like me. Its contagious, resistance is futile.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Like I said before, I’m no expert.
Loxi’s opinion on her is probably more valid than mine.
He’s much more objective and older than I.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Not to worry, she gets as good as she gives.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Age has nothing to do with it. Maturity.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
It’s a tough call. I have admired her skills from the beginning and I believe she truly honors the American people. My two biggest misgivings have been that she needs to be more concise when speaking (a learned talent) and the other is how she can hold up under the most bruising onslaught of negative press ever to be heaped on a person. Seriously the press has been kinder to O.J. Simpson then they have Gov. Palin.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 9:52 PM
I interact with someone who has multiple personality disorder on this site, poor man, and we are in complete agreement that neither of your views about this situation are correct. Aren’t we? Yes, sir! You are correct again!
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Sigh! Read a book, once. Most of the founders were Deists.
Fed45 on August 23, 2009 at 9:53 PM
He told me he has been flying at night but since I can barely keep my own time zone straight, it’s a lead pipe cinch I haven’t a clue about his. During the week I see him around 10:30 a.m. I will look for him tomorrow.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I am a confirmed Palinista.
As for Reagan, I agree completely. He was a known past quantity and hindsight is always 20/20.
I, for one, don’t believe in that old canard that says there will never be another Reagan. Sarah Palin can certainly be one.
I’m a firm believer in the thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters theory.
“It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.”
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Pardon me, sir.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 9:55 PM
And the Federal gubmint gets the authority to tell private businesses what they can and cannot charge from….where?
(and examples of “well, they already do in with (insert business here)” does not answer the question)
Fed45 on August 23, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Depends on the books you read I suppose. They weren’t all Diests and their primary influence wasn’t the French Enlightenment, either.
pugwriter on August 23, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Its FAKE agreeable. What good it that.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 9:58 PM
It’s like a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng set up.
tessa on August 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Good Lord! I’ve never seen them in the same room at the same time!!
Doc, WHEN are you going to get your own blog? I loved this piece so much. I wanted to quote my favorite bits, but would’ve ended up highlighting the whole thing.
And I really appreciate your balanced attitude toward C. Krauthammer. I get tired of all the RINO crap people throw at him. I too love most of what he says and writes – but not 100% of it.
Rosmerta on August 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I am hoping that the good that will come out of this decent into Pravda is the publics decision to send these liberal activists to the same resting place of the dinosaurs.
Total extinction.
We don’t believe you anymore and don’t need you.
The American people deserve better and should demand it.
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Well, I think the last thing we need is more drywalls.
Or thewalls.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:01 PM
How about The Race Card, he writes diametrically opposite comments right after each other. Very confusing. And are they multiple personalities if they comment under many many different names or do they have to stick with one?
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Pardon me. Except for the GW Bush lookalike who replaced Brit Hume. That doof will never ask him a probing question because I suspect CK is writing the questions for him beforehand.
Give me an hour questioning Krauthammer. Or, hey, here’s a new idea; Show up on an unfiltered message board and answer unfiltered questions. That goes for the rest of these media clowns who have somehow been elevated to the position never-challenged opinion makers.
Buddahpundit on August 23, 2009 at 10:03 PM
We will see. I am willing to be persuaded.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Frankly, my concern is less with Palin than it is with some of her supporters. The intolerance of criticism of Palin has enormously reduced recently, and I believe that will benefit her and her supporters greatly. Personally, I appreciate this change very much and would like to thank all those contributing to it, especially her supporters with whom I have exchanged unkind words.
However, there still is a lot of emotional attachment to her that seems much like idol or star worship. That sort of behavior sends many wrong signals to a prospective candidate and to those who are not yet on board. I don’t want an idol or star as president. We already have one. So, I worry about that. However, I continue to be as patient as I can be about it. I apologize for being harsh at times.
As to Palin herself, there is a long road ahead. I enjoy watching her learn and grow and make important contributions to our efforts to defeat Obama and his supporters. We shall see where that leads her.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Wrong. I do read books, but not the garbage you do, apparently. And do re-read what I wrote. I said that most of the SIGNATORIES of the Dec. of Ind. held divinity degrees. And that’s a fact.
The Founding Fathers were NOT mostly deists, as you claim, Jefferson was, and he became more devoutly Christian at the end of his life, and perhaps Franklin. That’s not “Most”.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I think it is making the American people more self reliant. Thank GOD for the internet. I realize it is still a relatively small number of the population who seek out and research but I think it is growing. We live in interesting times.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Thanks. That may be why I don’t see him. lately, that has been my morning break time from overnighters.
I wish I knew how to be more supportive of him and others who risk their lives for our safety and freedom. I often fret about members of the military, and there seems nothing I can do but offer a few words.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Totally.
Wait till a crucial moment, like during an election cycle. This troll, which MANY HAVE ENABLED, will ratchet up her rhetoric and twist entire threads into a pretzel. Instead of taking about real issues we will be spinning our wheels talkin ABOUT THE TROLL. Kind of like what we are doing right now.
I witnessed this thing FIRST HAND for several months over on No Quarter until IT was banned. I know what I am talking about.
What is the point of debating with some TROLL whose is FAKING and makin’ stuff up as they go along? Is this not by now a well known fact? There can be no genuine debate with FAKES and LIARS.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 10:09 PM
The ’60s were interesting times, too.
I was hoping we were done with them.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Well we will make sure that all that hero worship and activism from the press is front and center when they start digging in and spinning the incompetence of this administration.
“we were tricked, we were lied to”
is not going to get it.
We yelled all through the Presidential campaign and the first 6 months to get off your knees and start holding Obama to the same standards you held Bush.
He!!, I would have liked to have even seen the same standards as Clinton.
But all they showed was Messiah worship and a willful commitment to elect Obama no matter what the costs.
The press share a significant responsibility along with the Obama administration in the inept and destructive policies that are being implemented to destroy a free,capitalist,and democratic nation.
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:11 PM
He’s going to go to Dublin for his mid-deployment break. His girlfriend is meeting him there. I want to say it happens in a month but I am bad with dates. I know what you mean about being supportive. I send a package once a month, big whoop!
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:12 PM
But now the Right are the protesters. How funny is that? And we clean up the venues, what kind of protesting is that?
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Considering only about 6% of Israelis see Obama in a positive light, I suggest they look elsewhere.
Hillary.
She could pull it off.
She may not be as smart as Bill, but she still has bigger balls.
She will come back to haunt Obama in a big way.
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:15 PM
I don’t disagree with the premise of your observation.
I was only saying that for me, I don’t get garafalo mad when I see her like I do with some.
There will always be trolls, nothing can be done about that.
Sometimes, when I’m just reading comments here, a troll will say something just totally uncalled for. I pray that our more intelligent members will not reply. Most of the time, I’m disappointed.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:15 PM
First, people can grow and change and get better. I’ve offered Ann a truce and a bouquet of roses if she can stop concern trolling for two weeks straight. While she certainly dominated this thread, I have not yet reviewed it enough to decide if there was any trolling activity. However, many of her comments that I read were rational and to the point, even if I disagreed with her points.
The Race Card is still a curiosity to me. I have read many comments from him with which I agree. As there is racism among liberals, there is also among conservatives, and i don’t like it. Some of his style is hit and run, troll-like behavior. However, when he talks to himself and makes fun of himself, that makes him very human to me. So, I continue to read and wonder about him.
And as to members who post under different user names, I have no idea to whom you are referring. You’ve been reading too much Alice in Wonderland, me thinks.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 10:17 PM
To use a colloquialism, ain’t that some sh!t?
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Right on. But let me try to explain why some of us were OVERLY defensive in regard to criticism against her from our own.
Imagine getting attacked from all angles. Complete inundation. Arrows are flying in from all directions against one woman from the left like I have never seen. And then someone from the right wants to chime in and have their say. Jump on the bandwagon so to speak.
Well at the time, one’s natural reflex is to say “STFU, turn around and help fight the real enemy. Stop the onslaught first and then we might listen to you. But not until we reattach her limbs.
But now that the intensity of the attacks are diminished and she has gained newfound respect I am all too happy to listen to criticism from our side. It doesn’t bother me as much.
That is my excuse and I am sticking with it.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Yeah, good luck with that. There have been several pacts, promising to ignore but most of the time the provocation is just too much to ignore.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM
I am thinking Carlton from Will Smith’s “Prince of Bel Air.” or
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096579/
“Did I do That!!!!!!!!!!”
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Such is human nature.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:22 PM
I’m late to this post but can say that I read everything Doctor Zero publishes. He writes brilliantly and does get Sarah Palin. Look forward to the next one Doctah!
Mr_Magoo on August 23, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Probably. Someone in this thread noted that Ann always has some personal hard luck story to go with every thread and although I can’t vouch for that fact, she has given quite a lot of information about herself, which is always a bit suspicious. I have just chalked her up as someone my age who bought into the feminist propaganda hook, line and sinker, because she reminds me of some of my friends. It’s hard to warm up to someone who is perpetually a victim.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Spot on as usual.
It may come across a little weird but I have a print out of the addresses of many political and military web sights in my billing book so that when people say: “Dam#, where did you hear that from” I can had it to them and let them see for themselves.
The Internet,radio,e-mails,and word of mouth is essential in combating the liberal filter that makes up our activists media.
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Debating is an important skill. Even if a troll is faking and lying, if one can learn to successfully debate it on the facts it present, that is helpful not only to the one learning to debate, but also to this site and its readers, but most importantly to our movement.
I am not a good debater on facts and law and history, so I am very impressed with those who can successfully debate a troll and provide citations. I am very grateful as well. I learn much from those who engage in debate that way, regardless of whether they are otherwise honest.
And, what does it matter whether I am real or you are real or either of us is honest? The words we each leave behind here are the same, regardless.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Very good analogy, which reflects my philosophy as well. But I also have a problem with those who nitpick her for stupid things, like, “she needs to publish on the NYT”, or “she didn’t mention portability” when she wrote of tort reform. And some don’t even bother stating a reason at all, but are simply saying they don’t like her, to be contrary. I find all that unreasonable, silly, and worthy of derision.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I believe the person in question was referring to Krauthammer, and not Dr. Zero.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I very much understand and appreciate coming to someone’s defense who you care greatly about.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Yep. She is only 45. It took me years to not be so verbose and still I am prone to ramble on using more words than necessary.
She is a quick study and she will learn. She is still wet behind the ears and a noob.
I think her writing is far more concise than her public utterances. Once she feels that the bogus claims to her supposed stupidity are reduced to absurdity she will feel less pressure to over impress with adrenalin induced run on sentiences.
I am convinced that she can hold up under pressure. That much has been demonstrated to me.
Her weaknesses have not escaped me but it is her unbounded potential that gives me hope.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I really need to get better about bookmarking and record keeping. The time I spend going back to find stuff I have read is ridiculous but totally in keeping with my character. The other thing I find interesting is our seniors, who would normally get their information from the network main stream. Obviously that’s not happening since they don’t appear to have any desire to genuflect to The Won. If it means they are getting tech savvy, it is beyond cool.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM
The media and press assume her goodness is a weakness. They are haters and have no idea about what others see, because they do not possess those qualities themselves. Those that are like her can see her innate goodnees.
tessa on August 23, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I have considered the fact that it may not really be a fault, just an attempt to get a lot of information out in a limited amount of press coverage. Regardless, I think it’s an easy fix and I have been impressed so far.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I didn’t say “all”. Did you have a point.
Fed45 on August 23, 2009 at 10:38 PM
I really wish there was a means for us to exchange words off blog. I believe you could help keep me in line and I need lots of supervision.
And that goes for you too. I swear I only need about 140 hours per week of intensive group supervision. Can’t we work something out? You’d be astounded by the pay and benefit package I can offer.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 10:38 PM
And yet she gets belittled for them anyway?? Palin Derangement Syndrome taken to new depths.
ddrintn on August 23, 2009 at 10:40 PM
I strongly believe that there is a distinct character difference between libs and conservative. Barry had the audacity to claim ‘we should be caring for one another’ when he met with the clegy the other day. When he himself, does not even care for his own family. It is grotesque, because he cares for noone then he assumes other people are like him. However, other people are not like him, they would help their aunt, brother, stepmother. He is the one that should be shamed, not us. Anyway, that concept would make a great book.
tessa on August 23, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Exactly. I think it was a failure of projection. Those wishing to level legitimate complaints didn’t seem cognizant of the fact that she was being gang raped by the left. Yet they were put off because we were universally intolerant of their criticism.
There are innumerable reasons why publishing on the NYT is a bad idea. After looking at pros and cons I still think FB is, for now, the optimal choice.
I do not trust the people in the print media, having been involved in the peer review process myself and knowing that the process is corrupted, even for Science, I can only imaging how many leaks there would be along with intentional delays in getting her article out in a timely manner while articles preempting hers would be pushed to page 1.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 10:45 PM
The statement, “I am my brother’s keeper” has one fatal flaw… At no point is it ever said that he / she has EARNED the right for me to keep watch over them.
The Dead Terrorist on August 23, 2009 at 10:46 PM
140 Hours!?!?!?! We’ll talk after the first of the year when I am unemployed. Although you can get my email from blantantblue.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 10:46 PM
I guess if someone asked ‘Bozo that question, his reply would be “Not my day to watch him.”
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:48 PM
LOL
The Dead Terrorist on August 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM
That young 24 year old kid, Upstater85, is probably much better read than I.
I’ve lost too many IQ points from boozing and carousing when I was younger.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM
You know what really bothers me? Those who purport to be conservative, who see no problem with the way she was treated. Callous. I wonder if they feel that way if a woman had actually been gang raped.
I think it’s great that she’s using Facebook. The MSM have been proved to be unreliable, dishonest, and downright malicious. I remember during the Palin-Biden debate, she looked into the camera, and said that she was going to bypass the media to speak directly to the American people. And she is doing exactly that.
Indeed. And why publish through them and let them make money off of her after the way they treated her? I think it’s a shrewd move, and I hope she continues. We have to stop letting the media dictate what’s said, how it’s said, and who says it.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Right.
It also helps that with technological advancements,information is getting easier and easier to obtain,thus someone does not have to be in information systems work to find out that democrats said the same things about Saddams wmd/ties to al-qaeda years before Bush got into office and up until the time they voted for war.
Twitter has been very big in getting better information out to the average person.
If we had these resources in the 70′s, Cronkite would never have gotten away with declaring a war lost that we had never lost one single battle in.
He would have been shown along with Jane Fonda and the left wing groups of helping to lose this war at home, not abroad, thus insuring the annihilation of over 3 million people while they danced around waving the peace sign in the air.
Little things like this can be very important when people are sitting there watching Couric or Harry Reid spew their bias. It enables the average person to call them on it.
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Well there is indeed a cognitive mismatch between the vile vermin in the media and normal Americans. In some ways Sarah was not battle hardened in the beginning and she naively spoke in run on sentiences hardly able to suppress her passions.
But no one can now deny that she isn’t battle ready. She took a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’ and boy can she dish it out.
We know goodness when we see it.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 10:57 PM
…it wasn’t a statement in the Bible, but Cain’s sarcastic question when God asked him about Abel. It’s Obama’s misquote.
ddrintn on August 23, 2009 at 10:58 PM
I think is point is you are a moronic little bitch. They all seemed to be pro christian or at least seemed to think organized religion was a good idea. Pull your face out of Christopher Hitchins crotch for five minutes will you.
Here is how the founding fathers responded to Paines age of reason.
For Gods sake read a book now and then jackass
http://vftonline.org/TestOath/deism.htm
kangjie on August 23, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Sounds more like ‘New Jack City’.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Same here. That was mystifying to me. Total lack of empathy. I still don’t fully understand it.
Krauthammer’s comment about “leaving the room” has an unsettling vestige of sexism. Maybe I am hyper-sensitive. I don’t wish to play the feminazi card but the comment recalls the days when woman had to leave the room so the guys could light their stinkin’ cigars.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Thanks. That’s how many hours I’m in my usual semi-conscious wakefulness per week.
I don’t believe your blatant lies about yourself. But I enjoy reading you and exchanging comments with you. As long as you can put up with me, I’ll be very grateful.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 11:07 PM
At the risk of being petty, it’s about time that the media stops getting the untouchable celebrity treatment. They are treated like movie stars but are immune to the scrutiny of their personal failings while not knowing a moments hesitation to put other people’s flaws front and center. Except for The Won, of course.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I agree. What’s even worse, it’s blatant elitism.
As I’ve stated before, does Krauthammer believe in the First Amendment? Or of the right for citizens to protest? He’s openly given a thumbs down on both, and now I question his adherence to the Constitution. Isn’t he supposed to be a conservative? Apparently the First Amendment doesn’t apply to us hoi polloi, in his mind.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I would like to make one EMPHATIC PLEA.
2010 comes first. It is fast approaching. We need to gain lost ground. Focus on 2010 people. Who will be our king maker?
Let’s not divide ourselves over who in our party will win the primary. If we take enough seats we can grid-lock that the Marxist bastid for 2 years or more.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Maybe it all comes down to the fact that she’s gorgeous.
My guess is that if she was Hillaryesque rather than statuesque, she’d be treated differently.
That really seems to be most womens’ problem with her. Some believe her to be better looking than they are.
Christ, if she were blonde, she’d be done.
Case in point: A few years’ back, that idiot Shannon Breitweiser (9-11 widow) was in the news. I remember a commentator, possibly Rather say “She’s being talked about as vice-presidential material for John Kerry.”
This hate Bush broad was given wide-ranging respect by the MSM.
As far as I could see, she didn’t have the physical beauty of one Sarah Palin.
That and she was a liberal.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 11:14 PM
I am hoping that those who don’t seem sympathetic to the media treatment of Gov. Palin are thinking that she will have to develop incredibly thick skin to go forward. I am sure it would be helpful to her to have the inequity acknowledge but in the long run I think she will have to develop her own armor and be satisfied with the support of the people.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2009 at 11:16 PM
CK’s near invective was most revealing. He tipped his hand and my suspicions have been aroused. I do not trust ANYONE in the media. They are a disinformation layer between the government and the people.
Money, fame, and careers are at stake; all the elements which contribute, nay, ultimately lead to corruption. I bring into evidence the modern day MSM.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I agree. She sure did bring out the cattiness of many women.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Although CK’s response to Palin seems elitist, it doesn’t have to be elitism or even sexism or any other ism. People from different backgrounds often distrust and misread one another, whatever those differences are. I’m from the northeast and am quite aware of anti-Southern bias here. Yet, as I told Cindy once, the very first time I visited the South, I said hello, reached out my hand and was greeted by being called a “Damn Yankee!”
People are funny.
Loxodonta on August 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I have become suspicious as well. I don’t trust any of them either, at all. But then, I do remember my father and grandfather had a saying, “Believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you read”. We need to go back to that kind of skepticism, considering people use SNL and Jon Stewart for news sources. *eyeroll*
We have no other recourse but to boycott them, and use alternative sources. And they are hurting now. We also need to encourage conservative students to enter the field of journalism to combat the imbalance.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Non!
I have no desire to afflict myself with German culture any more I already am. But thanks, and, um, good luck?
Maquis on August 23, 2009 at 11:35 PM
The intellectual prowess of those in the media is greatly exaggerated. Their domain is one with the lowest standards of rigor in any sphere of thought in the western world. Not much of what they write goes beyond the vacuities of idle opinion.
It is sycophantastic in the extreme.
They spew opinions with an abysmal lack of analytical insight. The fact that there is never any wrong answer has given them the false believe that they are infallible. In some ways are for there is no criteria to judge their mind rotting bilge otherwise.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM
She will come back to haunt Obama in a big way.
Baxter Greene on August 23, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Baxter Greene: Hillary,owes Obama some form of revenge,
after all Hillary has said,she wanted to
be POTUS,since she was a little girl!:)
canopfor on August 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM
No doubt.
Back in Arkansas, we didn’t even consider Florida part of Dixie.
I eradicated all traces of southern accent years ago. I found I could score more easily when I sounded intelligent.
Yes, even I find the southern accent less intelligent than a clean midwestern one.
Huckabee doesn’t stand a chance, nationwide. Not with that hillbilly name.
Off to bed for me, folks.
Lanceman on August 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Blogging puts the power of the press in the hands of the people. I rejoice in the eventual obsolescence of the NYT and LAT and many other rags which emanate from the Ministry of Information.
May we all be Pamphleteers in the spirit of Thomas Paine.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Yes, and they are a product of our universities and colleges, the halls of which are not exactly known for their academic excellence any longer, but of indoctrination.
They live in a rarified air, where no one contradicts them and no one criticizes them. Remember Pauline Kael? “How did Nixon win? No one I knew voted for him!”
Back to Krauthammer. I recall you wondered if it was sexism. I think it may play a part, because the vision you saw was the same I had when I read his sentence. But it’s quite ironic, when you think about it, because Palin is far more “manly” than he is. Ole Chuckles is quite the effete.
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Amen! Now I’m going to watch John Adams again for inspiration!
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM
I get all emotional and stuff when I watch that. Loved the Jefferson role. I have the DVDs, got the John Adams Book too. Got the History Channels 13 part series, The Revolution. Its pretty good.
1776 by David McCulloughis is good too. Great dramatization. Still can’t belive how close we came to losing it all.
I have Revolutionary fever.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM
I’d rather vote for Huckabee than Hussein
Yes I would
If I could
I surely would
Mmmm….mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Shy Guy on August 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Me too! It makes me emotional to see how they were willing to sacrifice everything for liberty and the birth of our nation.
I haven’t read 1776 yet, but it’s on my list. I did read John Adams by him after I saw the HBO mini series, and it was excellent.
You and me both! I admit that I relish the idea of being a conservative and a revolutionary!
atheling on August 23, 2009 at 11:55 PM
His comment was most unusual. For a man who parses words for a living it was a most curious turn of expression. Guys say stuff like that innocently among themselves because it is ingrained; but for a person of his alleged stature and putative refinement to say it while millions watched seemed to me a verbal misstep.
Geochelone on August 23, 2009 at 11:59 PM
You should always leave the diagnosis of multiple personality disorder to a trained professional with the proper diagnostic tools. Do not attempt such at home.
Sigmund on August 24, 2009 at 12:00 AM
In a few short months it has now become out of fashion to admit that you are a liberal. That’s how toxic Barry has been to his own party.
I can walk into whole foods and tell everyone I am a conservative BushBot without the slightest embarrassment.
The Obots stopped raving about their Messiah months ago. They chewed off all their bumper stickers too.
Geochelone on August 24, 2009 at 12:04 AM
It was vicious.
You know, after conversing about the press here, I’m starting to wonder if Krauthammer is also scared of Palin, because she bypasses the normal channels to communicate to the people. Television, newspaper and magazine subscriptions are shrinking. That would render his method obsolete. More people hear her than they do him. I think he is beginning to fear irrelevance.
Palin has a history of shake up and reform. “Incumbents” don’t like that.
atheling on August 24, 2009 at 12:07 AM
His comment must has raised the ire of more than a few.
Dr. Zero titled this thread with it and the more I think about it the more it seems out of character for CK. Which means that Palin has gained too much influence too quickly and that is bad for all the entrenched political stooges, even those who seem indispensible.
I say bring it all down girl.
Geochelone on August 24, 2009 at 12:13 AM
What’s wrong with German culture? I just love singing “Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!” while I’m on hold for my regular teleconferances with the president. Doesn’t everybody?
Germanophobe!
Loxodonta on August 24, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Damn straight! We need new blood in DC to water the tree of liberty!
And this one:
Storms always clear the air.
atheling on August 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM
We had a conference and voted. It was close. We agree with you 5 to 4. I was the swing vote. Wasn’t I?
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! No! No! No! No!
Drats! Tied again!
Loxodonta on August 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM
No, they simply lack the will to ignore the provocation.
True_King on August 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM
TJ is the man. Thanks for the quotes. BTW, TJ was in France during the French Revolution right? So he was responsible for TWO of them, in a way.
There can be no doubt that the French took a page out of our book for that one, right?
Like Iran saw the Freedom in Iraq (thanks to Bushy), and they said hey “I want some of that”.
Geochelone on August 24, 2009 at 12:23 AM
LOL. Nothin’ better than sybil discourse to help resolve your personal issues.
Geochelone on August 24, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Well the nutroots thinks exorcisms are proof of insanity so I guess they are equal opportunity Christian insulters. They plan on harping on that if Jindal ever runs.
Speedwagon82 on August 24, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Wow, I had not thought of that! That is what spurred Iran to protest! Well, then. Let a revolution here influence one in dying Europe. If not, they are finished.
atheling on August 24, 2009 at 12:27 AM
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