GovDelivery throwing Obama under the bus?

posted at 10:00 am on August 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I’m still in the middle of a Marriage Encounter weekend, but I got a moment to catch up on the GovDelivery connection to the spam e-mails coming from David Axelrod in support of ObamaCare.  The White House blamed the dissemination of unsolicited e-mails on the firm they hired to manage its e-mail communications on political issues, but GovDelivery apparently doesn’t want to play along with the Oval Office.  Verum Serum notes that the company is denying that it supplies e-mail addresses to any of its clients, and insists that it just manages address books:

In other words, the White House is denying responsibility for the Axelspam. Fox provides a link to the GovDelivery website. From there you can visit the company’s blog where the top post, published 8/18, is titled GovDelivery’s Role in Government Communication. … Then we get to the good stuff, a Q and A:

Q: Where do GovDelivery clients get the email addresses and mobile phone numbers used to reach the public through the GovDelivery digital communications platform?

A: GovDelivery’s clients can offer updates on specific topics through their websites, and often include a subscription sign-up (opt-in) form. Some GovDelivery clients serving a similar audience cross-promote content (topics) from related government agencies by offering subscription items from other agencies (think of this as ‘one stop shopping’ for government information that is of interest to a particular citizen). Finally, GovDelivery allows clients to upload existing contact lists into GovDelivery. …

Q: Does GovDelivery ever share one GovDelivery client’s contact list with another organization?

A: No. GovDelivery does not share contact information collected and stored by one client with any other clients under any circumstances.

John has more at VS, but basically GovDelivery says that it helps manage data-collection services for its clients (specializing in government agencies) that harvest e-mail addresses, but it doesn’t supply them to the customer, and it doesn’t take e-mail lists from other customers to use for other programs.  The White House contention that the problem was created by its vendor gets quietly but firmly quashed by GovDelivery.

That meshes with the testimony of a Hot Air reader, who has first-hand experience with GovDelivery but wishes to remain anonymous.  The reader says that GovDelivery asked them for the e-mail list to use for distribution.  They are just an end-product e-mail distributor, not a clearinghouse for e-mail lists.

Frankly, the White House is making this a lot worse by trying to pass the buck.  As far as I know, spam e-mails wouldn’t break the law, although it would make the administration look cheesy enough, and that effect has already occurred.  They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty.  The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

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As far as I know, spam e-mails wouldn’t break the law,

Saw Karl Rove on FNC this morning talking about this. He said something about there being a federal law (has something to do with lobbying) that the Obama administration may have violated with these e-mails. Didn’t catch the whole interview, but if Rove’s right, this may be why the administration is trying to pass the buck.

AZCoyote on August 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Looks like Major Garrett is going to have a fun week. Gibbs on the other hand is going to need a lot of Maalox.

conservnut on August 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM

As far as I know, spam e-mails wouldn’t break the law, although it would make the administration look even somehow cheesier y enough

I know you’re busy, Ed, so I did some editing on your behalf.

Oh and Ed…if you ever go on a second honeymoon, leave the ‘puter at home.

Patrick S on August 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM

…covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Everything this administration does makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Who could have possibly predicted that a guy with zero executive experience would have problems being an executive?

Mr. Bingley on August 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Who could have possibly predicted that a guy with zero executive experience would have problems being an executive?
Mr. Bingley on August 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Kind makes you think Obama watched Trading Places a few too many times, eh?

Patrick S on August 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM

covering up a non-crime Everything they do makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Fixed.

TinMan13 on August 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM

“It’s all a part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

TooTall on August 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Oh and Ed…if you ever go on a second honeymoon, leave the ‘puter at home.

Patrick S on August 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM

A guy on Twitter yesterday sent a few messages and tweets WHILE HIS BRIDE WAS WALKING DOWN THE AISLE. LITERALLY. Was so bizarre. I felt bad for him–and her.

JiangxiDad on August 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM

The difference between operating in Chicago and Washington is more apparent every day to Obama and his fascists: in Chicago this would NEVER have surfaced, and if it HAD, “Vinnie” would have paid a visit to the whistleblower who would immediately call the Tribune and make a retraction. In D.C., not so much.
Axelrod and Emanuel think they’re still operating in the 14th Ward.

bradley11 on August 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM

The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Bestest administration ever! It still begs the question of whether the administration used GOVERNMENT sites to collect email addresses and then furnished them for a POLITICAL email. Or is Barry going to claim that the DNC paid the government for the addresses? And that then opens a whole new can of worms.

GarandFan on August 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM

We’re hosting the ME weekend, not doing it ourselves. I would definitely turn it off if we were attending it for ourselves. Between talks, the hosts have a bit of free time.

Ed Morrissey on August 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM

That meshes with the testimony of a Hot Air reader, who has first-hand experience with GovDelivery but wishes to remain anonymous. The reader says that GovDelivery asked them for the e-mail list to use for distribution.

I’ll be honest, I don’t really get this part. The anon user is saying what about GovDelivery? Darn pronouns.

LastRick on August 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM

We had someone on our website talking about how they received several emails from Mr. Axelrod and wondering how he got her email address. I told her, “Someone must have turned you in.” I turned myself in, as as well as 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Congress, Move On, ACORN, Huffington Post, etc. as being very fishy.

I never received an email from Mr. Axelrod.

http://www.teapartynation.com

tnmama on August 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM

GovDelivery: “I won.”

LibTired on August 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Spammer in Chief—what a joke…

Conservatives can’t Rock? Nonsense/ I give you
Silent No More

One of the 3 featured videos on the Mark Levin Fan Site.

deedtrader on August 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM

GovDelivery: This should be a manual on how to abort insane executive decisions.

Rovin on August 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM

“We are GovDelivery’s partners in matters of spam and harassment.”

LibTired on August 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM

These guys are not afraid of crossing the line at any time because as they are going over they smudge it and deny it’s very existence.The big problem for us is they treat the Constitution the same way.Ruling is what they do, governance is for peasants.

tim c on August 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM

A guy on Twitter yesterday sent a few messages and tweets WHILE HIS BRIDE WAS WALKING DOWN THE AISLE. LITERALLY. Was so bizarre. I felt bad for him–and her.

JiangxiDad on August 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM

When she finds out, I suspect a tweat’s about all he’s gonna get.

TXUS on August 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM

The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

This administration is immature, petty, and bumbling…

ladyingray on August 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I’ll be honest, I don’t really get this part. The anon user is saying what about GovDelivery? Darn pronouns.

LastRick on August 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I believe that it’s saying exactly what GovDelivery said. They don’t furnish e-mail lists, it’s up to the other party to furnish them. In this case the White House.

TooTall on August 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Isn’t this just the predictable result of Obama throwing his allies under the bus? He blamed the media for the opposition to Obamacare and the Chicago Tribune has a story advocating allowing competition among insurance providers. Insty has the link

John_R on August 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM

…covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

I disagree. It’s Obama’s being immature, petty, and bumbling that makes him look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Have a great weekend Ed.

Mojave Mark on August 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM

GovDelivery was hired to send emails regarding the H1N1 flu and were re-directed………this whole things smells. I think Major Garrett may have stepped into something bigger than he thought.

http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/22/mystery-solved-on-un-solicitated-emails-from-white-house-more-questions-than-answers/

sherryande on August 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Gerald Ford was a political Einstein compared to Obama.

SagebrushPuppet on August 23, 2009 at 10:32 AM

They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty.

What integrity and honesty are you speaking of?
I see none in the Obamasham administration.

izoneguy on August 23, 2009 at 10:33 AM

[[The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime]] makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

We could spend all day inserting the shortcomings of this administration between the brackets.

anticucho on August 23, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I work in the email industry and although I’ve never worked with GovDelivery, their side of the story sounds totally accurate. In all of my work, we pass email lists to be mailed to the third-party processors. I would feel certain the email address list originated from the White House or they knew exactly how those addresses were gathered.

behiker on August 23, 2009 at 10:34 AM

….covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Immature
Petty
Bumbling

That’s three t-shirts. Who’s picture should go with which word?

BacaDog on August 23, 2009 at 10:34 AM

We had someone on our website talking about how they received several emails from Mr. Axelrod and wondering how he got her email address. I told her, “Someone must have turned you in.” I turned myself in, as as well as 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Congress, Move On, ACORN, Huffington Post, etc. as being very fishy.

I never received an email from Mr. Axelrod.

http://www.teapartynation.com

tnmama on August 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Me too. I turned myself in, never got spammed.

I’m hurt. So, so hurt.

SagebrushPuppet on August 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM

The differece between sending out information and propaganda is all in the subjective nature of the materials sent. This Marxist remains in perpetual campaign mode. He’s not a President. He’s still just a politician pursuing his goals.

kingsjester on August 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM

GovDelivery: Next month’s special–a coupon for one free month at one of our new re-education villas located around the country. Look for our grand opening coming soon in beautiful southern Cuba.

Rovin on August 23, 2009 at 10:38 AM

OT:

Rasmussen has Filthy Liar at MINUS FOURTEEN this morning.

MINUS. FOURTEEN.

BardMan on August 23, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Garret: Can you expand on GovDelivery’s denial that it was responsible for the unsolicited emails?

Gibbs: Are you implying that the President, who is black, had something to do with this? That’s racist … you’re racist … the question is racist … and anyone who questions anything the President or administration does is racist.

darwin on August 23, 2009 at 10:39 AM

DEE-LISH!!

What I hope really happens is that all of this starts spiralling EVEN MORE OUT OF THEIR CONTROL and how we’ll be able to tell is when they start turning on EACH OTHER.

When you stop and think about it when people behave like thugs and they sow those seeds it’s only a matter till they reap it back.

Feel sorry for this country but these people have brought it on themselves.

PappyD61 on August 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Isn’t that what clinton did? getting into trouble by lying?

Phoenician on August 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM

They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty. The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Standard. Operating. Procedure.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2009 at 10:44 AM

This Administration lies as easily as they breathe. Pitiful. Just Pi-ti-ful.

kingsjester on August 23, 2009 at 10:44 AM

The Bozo regime demonstrates hourly their incompetence.

dogsoldier on August 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I wonder when Barry will release Michelle as an attack dog against the right. I hope it’s soon … it won’t go over well at all.

darwin on August 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Impeach SpamBama.

the_nile on August 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM

an indictment of their integrity and honesty

Can’t indict it if it’s not there.

TexasDan on August 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Ed, I haven’t seen the emails sent in this campaign (including header and subject information), but you are wrong to assume that the sending of unsolicited emails isn’t a crime. The CAN-SPAM act of 2003 outlines what is considered valid email, and puts forth a list all emails must comply with or else it is, by default, considered illegal:

Unsubscribe Compliance
- A visible and operable unsubscribe mechanism is present in all emails.
- Consumer opt-out requests are honored within 10 days.
- Opt-out lists also known as suppression lists are only used for compliance purposes.

Content Compliance
- Accurate from lines (including “friendly froms”)
- Relevant subject lines (relative to offer in body content and not deceptive)
- A legitimate physical address of the publisher and/or advertiser is present.
- A label is present if the content is adult.

Sending Behavior Compliance
- A message cannot be sent through an open relay
- A message cannot be sent to a harvested email address
- A message cannot contain a false header

Note that falsifying header information is a serious violation of the CAN-SPAM Act and generally is an indicator of criminal or malicious intent which can bring the attention of other law enforcement agencies besides the FTC, including but not limited to the FBI, DOJ and US Postal Inspectors.

The content is exempt if it consists of:
religious messages;
political messages;
content that broadly complies with the marketing mechanisms specified in the law; or
national security messages.

Now if the emails pass the above tests then its valid, but if they falsified header information or sent emails to harvested accounts then it should be investigated by the DOJ.

smfoushee on August 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM

The essential problem here is that there has become a class of Democrat, only moderately well equipped in intelligence and very well equipped in belief, that went to colleges where the opposition was such and the support was such that the level of effort needed to win was not great, and thus they never had to work on their game. And now, like the AA player called up to the Majors, they are finding out the competition has changed, but they have not.

This is all the logical result of lifelong echo chambers, a supportive press that has allowed a dimunition of the level of Democratic talent that can survive at the local level, and colleges that have abandoned tough standards of analytical thought.

It also bespeaks a contempt for the intelligence of others and an unwillingness to let whatever internal integrity the staffers may possess to allow them to lose by limiting behavior.

Horatius on August 23, 2009 at 10:55 AM

President Biden!..

the_nile on August 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM

The hyprocrisy here folks is that if Bush had created this GovDelivery, or any of the crap Axelrod and his cronies have developed that intrudes on our privacy, the ACLU, the media, AND every one of the leftards on the internet would be calling for impeachment. Sadly, only self loathing crickets……

Rovin on August 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM

“These are not the spammers I thought I knew…”

mimi1220 on August 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Could it be that this ‘Axelspam’ has a two-fold purpose?

One to spew some of their Obamacare BS.

Two, to put some on notice that they are being watched?

Chainsaw56 on August 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Now if the emails pass the above tests then its valid, but if they falsified header information or sent emails to harvested accounts then it should be investigated by the DOJ.

And who investigates the DOJ and Holder?

Tazz 55 on August 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM

The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

Actually, I think it makes them Scooter Libby!

Stephen Macklin on August 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM

As far as I know, spam e-mails wouldn’t break the law…

But Axelspam probably breaks the law against White House lobbying. This point was been made on FNC by Judge Napolitano several days ago, and again this morning by Karl Rove. It needs to be investigated.

petefrt on August 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Knowingly misusing email address lists, i.e. spamming, is illegal. The “Spam King” was jailed not that long ago for 65 years. Admittedly he did produce a rather larger amount of spam than Obama’s people. And I doubt Obama’s people understood they were behaving illegally and could potentially face prosecution in a federal court.

They’re generally clueless and learning on the job.

The New Media czar’s head should roll for this though – just for gross incompetence. The rules on spamming are very clear and he either doesn’t know them or ignores them.

Don’t hold your breath.

Anders on August 23, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Chainsaw56 on August 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Valid point. I have read that some people who reported themselves and ACORN, ect didn’t receive any spam emails. I think that; that information may have gone through some kind of filter or something. The people who truely “turned in misinformation” from emails they received from other people did get emails sent to them.
It would play out this way:
I send an email to the WH “turning in” some “fishy” information that “someone” sent me that “someone” got the spam and I would have as well.
But those who “turned in” themselves didn’t get anything in return. HMMMMMMM! ME thinks something is fishy here.

milwife88 on August 23, 2009 at 11:13 AM

And who investigates the DOJ and Holder?

Tazz 55 on August 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM

And that is a problem, however if Republicans win in 2010 they’ll have congressional oversight, but this story needs to explode in order for that to be politically viable. In any event, each day this administration seems to be proving Michelle Malkin’s point.

smfoushee on August 23, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Transparent Administration? Where’s the MSM’s “Email Gate”?

marklmail on August 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

It’s only a crime if you can get someone to prosecute. Obama and his machine are above the law right now.

zmdavid on August 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM

“They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty. The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.”

Uh….okay. You meant “MORE immature, petty and bumbling”, right Ed?

I think that circus train has already left the station.

blueknight99 on August 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
CWforFreedom on August 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM

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I stand corrected… I never thought that he would drop below 30% approval… EVER.
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Looks like there are somewhat less idiots than I thought. In this case though, I’m glad to be wrong, and I hope that every day I’m proven to have been more, and more wrong on this point.
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RalphyBoy on August 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM

milwife88 on August 23, 2009 at 11:13 AM

That would seem to point to them wanting an “enemies list”.

Shouldn’t it bother some on the left that their ‘Rulers’ are crossing a dangerous line of attempting to suppress free speech?

Chainsaw56 on August 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM

I find this very confusing. It is obvious, at least to me, that some email addresses resulted from constituent contacts with congressional representatives. People who contacted their representatives were added to the White House mailing list. Protesters who ‘flagged themselves’ don’t seem to appear on the list, but have third party activists, i.e. democrat party loyalists, been allowed to add email addresses to this list?

I would presume that nearly everyone on this site has signed on to some email list server, and is familiar with the automated confirmation email that is sent out by the list server asking you if you really did sign up for the list. So why was this confirmation step omitted in this case?

I still don’t understand who captured those suspect email address, and who merged them into a mailing list. GovDelivery making the claim that they only administer the listserver, and the mail server sounds possible to me.

smfoushee on August 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Are political email organizations and their mass emailings exempt from Can-Spam?

Am I missing something here?

Skandia Recluse on August 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Who could have possibly predicted that a guy with zero executive experience would have problems being an executive?

Mr. Bingley on August 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Now that’s just not true! Obama was on the board of the Woods Foundation, where his job consisted of giving away free money for leftist causes, with no accountability.

And he served on the board of the Chicago Annandale Challenge, where his job consisted of giving away free money for leftist causes, with no accountability.

How can you possibly say that he has no experience as an executive?????

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Kind makes you think Obama watched Trading Places a few too many times, eh?

Patrick S on August 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM

..or not enough. Billy Ray Valentine would have made a much better POTUS that the current pantload and his little pantload-ettes.

VoyskaPVO on August 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Where his job consisted of giving away free money for leftist causes, with no accountability.
How can you possibly say that he has no experience as an executive?????
NeighborhoodCatLady on August 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM

I guess we all have to play to our strengths, he seems to be doing exactly what he does best.

It’s going to run the nation into a brick wall, but Hey, nobody’s perfect!

/sarc

Chainsaw56 on August 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM

smfoushee had me fooled, I thought that he was serious until right up to the end, when I read the punchline:

“…then it should be investigated by the DOJ.”

Hilarious! Gibbsy should wrap up every press conference by saying “Okay, pull my finger!”

drunyan8315 on August 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

So, this Admin is run by serial spammers. I think Americans can digest that. When they are also liars who attempt to cover-up, blame, and obfuscate that becomes another story.

It’s becoming clear that this WH collected thousands of email addys by various means and passed them on when they contracted out to this group to do mass unsolicited email responses. Spamming, basically. But they are embarassed by it and now are trying to deny it but there has to be a trail of crumbs right back to 1600 Pennsylvania……

JoeinTX on August 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Somebody better tell this guys lawyer spamming isn’t illegal.

AOL spammer jailed for 30 months

One minute behind bars for every junk mail
By John Leyden
Posted in Spam, 16th July 2008 10:03 GMT

A New Yorker was jailed for 30 months on Tuesday after being convicted for spamming 1.2 million AOL members with junk mail.

Adam Vitale, 27 and of Brooklyn, was also ordered to pay $180,000 to AOL in restitution for bombarding subscribers to the service with emails punting a “computer security” product. Vitale pleaded guilty (pdf) to violating US anti-spam laws a year ago after he made the mistake of cutting a junk mail distribution with a government informant, Reuters reports.

Vitale and his accomplice Todd Moeller falsified header information and used anonymous proxies – compromised PCs – to bypass AOL’s spam filters. The duo completed their spam run in less than a week in August 2005 in the hope of raking in half the income from the resulting sales.

Vitale received an unusually harsh sentence for his junk mail activities partially because of his 22 prior convictions. His sentence works out to 65 seconds in jail for every junk mail he sent.

TheBigOldDog on August 23, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Last week on Hot Air I seen a video of Spokeshole Gibbs being asked about this. His response was like the normal response however, I am certain he knew about it now!
Spokeshole Gibbs = LIAR

No wonder why this administration is all Wee Weed Up!

BigMike252 on August 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM

makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

…and this is a change from what they’ve done since the inauguration how?

Jeff from WI on August 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM

bringing you Hope and Change with Transparency to transform America or in simple socialist terms ” spreading the wealth “

bluegrass on August 23, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I’m just cheesed off because I didn’t get any Axelspam.

I must not be doing something right.

Dave R. on August 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM

If you want to see what a full email transmission record from David Axelrod via GovDelivery looks like, Hot Air reader “Jeff2161″ provided the info here and here.

Buy Danish on August 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM

hmmm…

The legality of this is an interesting question.

Can the White House, a Government Agency, use taxpayer money to give PRIVATE information to a Private Company?

Can the White House give information to a POLITICAL organization?

This is using Government agencies and power to CAMPAIGN for a cause… and a blatantly political cause at that… in fact one which may very well be Unconstitutional.

Are there not laws agains using Government resources for Campaign or partisan issues?

Romeo13 on August 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM

“…it would make the administration look cheesy enough, and that effect has already occurred…”

Oh really..? Why do you say that..?

ujorge on August 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Knowing Leftists as you do, how else do you think they would handle it except by passing the buck? Honesty is not in them.

rrpjr on August 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Are political email organizations and their mass emailings exempt from Can-Spam?

Am I missing something here?

It depends on the content of the email, and how its delivery is handled.

smfoushee had me fooled, I thought that he was serious until right up to the end, when I read the punchline:

“…then it should be investigated by the DOJ.”

Hilarious! Gibbsy should wrap up every press conference by saying “Okay, pull my finger!”

drunyan8315 on August 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Yes, as I pointed out in a previous reply that isn’t likely to happen with this administration, but if the story explodes there might be enough political capital to allow Republicans to investigate, if they’re successful in the 2010 elections.

smfoushee on August 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM

So, when the President breaks the law, then lies to cover it up, what recourse do we have?

Is there some provision in, say, the Constitution, for dealing with such high crimes and misdemeanors?

Not that anything will come of this, certainly not by way of pressure from the press.

rogersnowden on August 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM

covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling

Well, that and about a hundred other things….

jana on August 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM

What I hope really happens is that all of this starts spiralling EVEN MORE OUT OF THEIR CONTROL and how we’ll be able to tell is when they start turning on EACH OTHER.

PappyD61 on August 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Both engines on fire.

Three people onboard.

Only two parachutes.

Hm-m-m-m-m…

Yoop on August 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM

They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty.

What integrity or honesty has this administration shown from the start.

chemman on August 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Gosh, is it possible that the White House is LYING?

Certainly, that can’t be true.

Why, isn’t this the most honest, most transparent administration EVER?

They would never lie.

Obama told me so.

notagool on August 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM

covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling

The Obama administration is immature, petty, and bumbling.

Rocket-Man on August 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM

then it should be investigated by the DOJ.

smfoushee on August 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM

That is less likely to happen than a reversal of entropy in hell.

chemman on August 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM

covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

I see I’m about the thousandth person to note this, but there isn’t much “this administration” has done that doesn’t make it obvious how immature, petty, and bumbling they are. Of course, these are actually some of their less alarming qualities.

califcon on August 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM

RalphyBoy on August 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Only 21% of Americans self identify as liberals. So his floor should be around there.

chemman on August 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Why does the term ‘marriage encounter weekend’ have such a ring of desperation to it? What would prompt someone to hold such things, to help others save their marriages? Just asking, not condemning.

It seems that absolutely nothing Barry does can escape his amateurism and / or complete corruption of his Chicago thug/politician style.

Once again, thanks to all the independents and liberals that voted this bozo in. Not only have they extended hard times in this country, they’ve put our very freedoms at risk. When freedoms disappear, the liberals and the indies that voted for him will be some of the first to shriek for help against the oppressive government.

On one hand, I hope nobody helps them. On the other, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Spiritk9 on August 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Only 21% of Americans self identify as liberals. So his floor should be around there.

chemman on August 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Actually I have recently spoken with some older uber-liberals around here ( I mean ones that haven’t voted anything but straight Democrat in their entire lives) who are not buying anything Obama is selling anymore. I was shocked by the anger and concern I was hearing.

His floor may be even lower than your 21%.

Yoop on August 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Frankly, the White House is making this a lot worse by trying to pass the buck. As far as I know, spam e-mails wouldn’t break the law, although it would make the administration look cheesy enough, and that effect has already occurred. They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty. The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

If we admit that we have yet to glean all the details surrounding flag@whitehouse.gov program and the resultant Axelspam, mighten it be a bit hasty to conclude that no criminal action is lurking underneath what has yet to be revealed?

There are indeed many possibilities that the accumulated email list could have been directed towards that would fall into the realm of high crimes and misdemeanors. For instance, if such a list of those that have expressed opposition to the Obama agenda wound up on the desk of Timothy Giethner, could it not reasonably be asked whether the intent to use the IRS as an agent of retribution might have been the motivation?

Or could have said list been forwarded to one, or all of the arms of the ACORN network (demonstratively shown to be a subsidiary Obama org) to be sifted for people of prominece and targeted for the intimidation tactics that it has come to be known for?

These are only hypotheticals I know, but an investigation by definition is the exploration hypothetical possibilities.
Anyone who has followed the carreers’ of Obama and his Chicago acolytes might reasonable suspect less than strict adherence to the rule of law. That federal revenues were used for strictly partisan purposes is itself a crime and is already evidenced to have happened.

In my opinion it would foolish to let the administration off the hook on this just yet. That the implications of of such data collection for partisan use in our highly wired and networked society warrant a congressional investigation or special prosecutor to follow every possible trail to see where this list disseminated and for what purpose.

For whatever its worth, that is my two cents on the matter.

Archimedes on August 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Well crap! I certainly screwed the pooch with that post. Sorry. Hope it still legible, the strike was inadverdant.

Archimedes on August 23, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The cover-up is always worse than the crime, and covering up a non-crime makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

I’m frankly offended at the talk of this immaturity, pettyness and bumbling.

ted c on August 23, 2009 at 1:15 PM

//sarc//

ted c on August 23, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I suspect that the Axelturfers have merged O’s list with the Senate and House lists – hey, they’ll need O’s money for re-election, so the lists goes to the WH Axelturf HQ. Share, or else, baby!

That might explain why those non-Dems who’ve e-mailed their Dem Reps and Senators got the health-care rah-rah e-mail.

I hope govdelivery fights back on the implication that it’s their fault, but I’m not all that hopeful, since apparently all their clients are politically-connected entitities.

Nichevo on August 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Now that’s just not true! Obama was on the board of the Woods Foundation, where his job consisted of giving away free money for leftist causes, with no accountability.

And he served on the board of the Chicago Annandale Challenge, where his job consisted of giving away free money for leftist causes, with no accountability.

How can you possibly say that he has no experience as an executive?????

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Which is exactly why the way he does his job now consists of giving away free money for leftist causes, with no accountability.

Alana on August 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM

makes this administration look immature, petty, and bumbling.

“Look?”

And when exactly haven’t they been that way?

They ran a slick campaign and have been crapping the bed from the moment this clown act got elected.

NoDonkey on August 23, 2009 at 1:34 PM

At some point in the near future someone will step up as a Sammy Gravano to Obama’s John Gotti.

Pelayo on August 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM

They’re turning an embarrassment into an indictment of their integrity and honesty.

Have they ever done anything else?

Jim Treacher on August 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM

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