Blue Dog: Hey, this town-hall anger seems pretty real to me

posted at 8:30 am on August 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Democrats may want to spin the August anger in their districts as nothing more than conservative Astroturfing against a popular health-care reform plan, but they’re whistling in the wind — and one of their own warns them to start paying attention.  Rep. Allen Boyd (D-FL) represents a Panhandle district, and when he sees his constituents taking time off of work in the sweltering heat to see a politican, he knows they’re unhappy.  They don’t trust Congress or the administration to get this right, and he didn’t need to see the stack of pink slips to figure it out:

But as he fended off gnats buzzing through the August humidity after a morning fending off angry constituents at a town hall meeting here, Boyd confided that the depth of the unease spurred by the health care debate had caught him by surprise.

“They may be in a minority, but they are a larger minority than we’ve seen in the 20-plus years that I’ve been doing this,” said Boyd of the standing-room-only crowds who have been showing up to shout, boo, mutter and, in one case, hand him an actual stack of pink slips since he returned home for recess. “I’ve never seen anything like this.” …

A visit to Florida’s 2nd District also is a bracing case study in the mounting political peril some Blue Dogs like Boyd may be facing. Boyd acknowledged that after coasting to victory in a string of elections, including when a popular President George W. Bush was on top of the ticket in 2004 and national Republicans actively plotted his ouster, he may face a real threat next year at the polls.

And his candor is borne out of his own up-close view from the past three weeks. While some of his colleagues took refuge in constituent-free codels and undisclosed private meetings, Boyd plunged headlong into a series of public forums throughout his district and discovered the sort of public unrest that doesn’t come around very often.

“People are scared,” Boyd said twice, trying to explain what would drive his constituents away from home and work and out into the broiling Florida sun in the middle of the week to see their congressman.

Why are people scared?  The government is about to take over one-sixth of the nation’s economy, even though soaring deficits make it clear that it can’t properly handle what’s on the plate now.  It just fumbled a stimulus package and a program to kill old cars, and somehow people have the notion that this competence will continue with something more vital — their health care.  They don’t want the government in charge of those decisions and invading their personal lives.  The only surprise here is that elected officials didn’t see this coming, although clearly the White House had an inkling — which is why they tried to rush the bill through to a vote.

The ones who should be scared are the incumbents heading back to Capitol Hill in a couple of weeks.  Boyd sounds like he at least got the wake-up call.

Michelle notes that people should check with the website Recess Rally to find any organized demonstrations near you.  Let’s keep sending the message until all of our elected representatives hear it loud and clear.


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People like there health care and in the name of a couple million people who don’t have health insurance they are going to have issues of life and death handed over to the Influence peddling empire known as the Democratic party.

rob verdi on August 22, 2009 at 8:35 AM

Yeah, but the POTUS don’t care, he won and he still plans to destroy us.

bbz123 on August 22, 2009 at 8:35 AM

This seems to be a culmination of many things. People have been distrustful of government for a long time and it took Obama’s blatant power grab to finally move people off the couch.

More people now fear their own government than anything else.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 8:37 AM

now about that “dwficit in half” thing….

sven10077 on August 22, 2009 at 8:38 AM

I sense big big trouble for lots of folks over our great land. Starting with Congress.

Things are changing alright, and the White House is now going to be put under siege and even brighter spotlights than before.

them waffles are going to get a whole lot harder to eat now. EVERYONE’s watching

ted c on August 22, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Speaking of cash for clunkers (albiet briefly), my sister went to turn in her 99 Chevy SUBURBAN – resource depleter that it is – and – wait for it now – IT DOESN’T QUALIFY for the $. If not to take a Gaia detroying monster like a Suburban off the road, which supposedly was part of the reason for the program, then what good was the program for?

sbvft contributor on August 22, 2009 at 8:40 AM

my congressman Democrat Perriello, 5th CD, Va. knows the disgust is real. he has held more townhalls in our rural district than any other congressman. he hasn’t gotten a positive, loving reception anywhere except maybe in liberal Charlottesville Va.

he will still vote for some form of the health care bill. and it might cost him his job.

but he knows we are very real out here.

kelley in virginia on August 22, 2009 at 8:42 AM

ted c: you are right again. more of the “average” sleepy voter is “tuning” into the news & watching what is going on in Washington.

and if we are this pumped up in the middle of the summer, imagine how excited we’ll be as the year moves along!

kelley in virginia on August 22, 2009 at 8:44 AM

If I were a Congressman who voted for ObamaCare, I’d be forever worried about the constituent who developed a fatal disease and couldn’t get lifesaving treatment because of my vote. That constituent would have nothing to lose in revenge.

Josiah on August 22, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Gaia detroying monster like a Suburban off the road, which supposedly was part of the reason for the program, then what good was the program for?

sbvft contributor on August 22, 2009 at 8:40 AM

To get UAW members who were laid off back to work on the Government Motors assembly line. But then, the best seller with Cash for Clunkers was Toyota…

Wethal on August 22, 2009 at 8:45 AM

josiah: nawww, those politicians aren’t thinking that far ahead. they are thinking only of their skins today. what a shallow bunch.

kelley in virginia on August 22, 2009 at 8:47 AM

true dat Wethal. Still, it is an outrage her ride didn’t qualify. she was an obama supporter, so, i guess it serves her right. she fell off the hopnchange wagon.

sbvft contributor on August 22, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Rep. John Carter (R-TX) is in Salado mtg. today before going on tonight’s FOX News Network to debate the health care issue on Geraldo’s At Large Show.

Mash guacamole out of Geraldo, John. Skin HR3200, get out the pit first thing and serve him on his own silver platter.

maverick muse on August 22, 2009 at 8:50 AM

The government is about to take over one-sixth of the nation’s economy, even though soaring deficits make it clear that it can’t properly handle what’s on the plate now.

Oil prices hit new high

California hits 11.9% unemployment

Ben Bernanke announces we’re on the road to recovery???

U.S. National Debt growing at alarming rates
(note: I do not condone this link above—I just like the “numbers ticking away”)

Hoyer says the public option could go…

Confused yet???

Rovin on August 22, 2009 at 8:52 AM

All those politicians who are fervently trying to convince each other that the smoke they smell is not from a fire are going to get their butts burned.

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Hoyer is holding a town hall meeting September 1st

http://www.hoyer.house.gov/

Dr Evil on August 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM

I sense big big trouble for lots of folks over our great land. Starting with Congress.

ted c on August 22, 2009 at 8:39 AM

People whined about TARP, people bytched about the “Stimulus”, people moaned about the bank and GM takeover, people got pissed over Cap & Tax … but this blatant attempt to take over health care has spurred people to do what they should have done before:

Read and research Obama and the democrats. What people are finding is shocking them and they tell other people who in turn tell others.

Once the cat is out of the bag you can’t put it back in. Obama’s phony charm and teleprompter oratory just isn’t enough anymore to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes.

The question is … how desperate are the democrats and how far will they go? This is the closest they’ve ever been to a complete takeover of the US. Will they abide by the will of the people or begin to rationalize the use of force?

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM

“They may be in a minority, but they are a larger minority than we’ve seen in the 20-plus years that I’ve been doing this,” said Boyd

WTF? Who did the interview, MSNBC? The ONLY minority is congressional leaders and the primp in the white house.

singlemalt_18 on August 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM

From the Politico story:

“The overhyped and in many cases fraudulent sense of grass-roots fervor during an August Democrats would like to forget is easy to minimize.”

That sentence mars an otherwise refreshing breath of reality.

Ex-Dem on August 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM

My Congressman is totally against healthcare…then again, he is a republican.

becki51758 on August 22, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Mugabecare had two trillion stakes driven through its heart last night after those deficit numbers were released.

If it was on life support yesterday the death panel sent it to the morgue last night.

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I saw a link over at Instapundit…to the Tea Party efforts to put people out in every district, all 435 of them.

Terrye on August 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Dr Evil on August 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM

How clever of Steny to hold his only HC meeting in Waldorf. Getting there is not half the fun. The traffic is terrible. I guess he is counting on that.
I find it so silly that on his on his very own website he has a poll question asking if you think Health Care reform is a priority. Over 75% say “NO”. Yet, he can’t wait to vote for it. Reminds me of Claire McCaskill’s question, “Don’t you trust me?” What part of NO don’t these people understand?

BetseyRoss on August 22, 2009 at 9:04 AM

What part of NO don’t these people understand?

BetseyRoss on August 22, 2009 at 9:04 AM

These people simply do not fear us.

How is that to be changed?

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM

“They may be in a minority, but they are a larger minority than we’ve seen in the 20-plus years that I’ve been doing this,” said Boyd

A Minority??? Somebody is going to have to explain Democratic math to me.

DrStock on August 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Vote these prix out of office.

He who laughs last laughs best.

1921 C DRUM on August 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM

These people simply do not fear us.

How is that to be changed?

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Yes they do … or else they wouldn’t feel the need to lie about everything they want to do. Our concern should be for how desperate they are to achieve their goals.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM

My Congressman is totally against healthcare…then again, he is a republican.

becki51758 on August 22, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Don’t speak so fast. Even the Republicans are idiots and may vote for some “compromise” crappy plan.I’ve seen it time after time. They’re on the winning, with the people side of an argument, only to vote the win away to look like they’ll play along.

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM

The anger is real. What they’re upset about is not. These people are being used by politicians, radio show hosts, soon-to-be private citizens of Rhode Island with Facebook accounts, and sites like HA to spread misinformation about this bill to get people all riled up.

There are no death panels. It does not constitute a government take over of health care. Private insurers CAN take on new clients.

There have been so many bald-face, egregious lies told about this bill and spread by the chattering class of the Republican party that it’s not surprised that you find people so scared.

Then when all these lies are pointed out, you guys fall back on is — “people just don’t want this bill! What part of NO don’t you understand?”

It’s shameless.

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I bet some of those meetings that the Democrats had before they left for recess were Pelosi lying to them about how we were a minority. Hopefully they are beginnning to realize that they are being used and manipulated just like the rest of us. The Blue Dogs deserve what they get if they vote for this bill.

idahoconservative on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

To get UAW members who were laid off back to work on the Government Motors assembly line. But then, the best seller with Cash for Clunkers was Toyota…

But they are going to replace the inventory that was sold. After that, what then ?

And what is going to happen to all Obummer’s friends after he’s let go in 2012. Do they think the next POTUS will make the same mistakes in his 1st term.

BruceB on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Will they abide by the will of the people or begin to rationalize the use of force?

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM

That would be a very big mistake…

jwp1964 on August 22, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Have you read the 1000 page bill??

idahoconservative on August 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Well, in my lifetime I have never seen this much discontent among real people everywhere. Obviously our Congress critters haven’t either. They seem stunned that we would tell them NO. Just like petulent children. They can’t seem to get it through their heads that we aren’t putting up with this. Keep sending them letters. It is a physical reminder. Phone calls and e-mails don’t seem to work. They can’t get snarky with a letter. It does slow them down.

BetseyRoss on August 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM

How is that to be changed?

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Two ways:

1. vote the incumbents out. Voters quit sending same scum back!, or
2. lets not discuss that option yet….

jwp1964 on August 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM

First we get other people to pay for their neighbors new care, then we see them bailout their neighbors mortgage, now we;ll see them have to pay for their neighbors health insurance.

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I wish I lived in a competitive district. My GOP rep won 70% last time. The districts next to mine went about 65%, both Dem and Rep winners. Kinda boring.

angryed on August 22, 2009 at 9:20 AM

I’m tired of paying for my neighbor. GO GALT !!

idahoconservative on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The Blue Dogs are only saying this for show. They already know these town hall mobsters will and never will vote democrat anyway.
They are only saying this to please the swing voting conservatives in their districts. The ones in the town halls were mostly republican hacks still in shock a liberal black man is now their commander in chief.

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The anger is real. What they’re upset about is not. These people are being used by politicians, radio show hosts, soon-to-be private citizens of Rhode Island with Facebook accounts, and sites like HA to spread misinformation about this bill to get people all riled up.

There are no death panels. It does not constitute a government take over of health care. Private insurers CAN take on new clients.

There have been so many bald-face, egregious lies told about this bill and spread by the chattering class of the Republican party that it’s not surprised that you find people so scared.

Then when all these lies are pointed out, you guys fall back on is — “people just don’t want this bill! What part of NO don’t you understand?”

It’s shameless.

The biggest lie: “If you like your insurance you’ll be able to keep it.”

Ex-Dem on August 22, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Then when all these lies are pointed out, you guys fall back on is — “people just don’t want this bill! What part of NO don’t you understand?”

It’s shameless.

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

You’re shameless Tom. There will be a panel of bureaucrats deciding what medical care you qualify for based on age, disease, chronic conditions, disabilities, value to society and most of all cost. It happens routinely in countries that have government run health care. It even happens here … in Oregon where a cancer patient was refused life saving treatment because it was too expensive and offered suicide counseling instead.

The bill also mandates what insures cover, forces them to join the insurance exchange and will simply go out of business because they won’t be able to compete with government.

The bill itself says insurers may not accept new clients after the bill becomes effective.

The lies come from the White House.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM

It’s shameless.

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Shameless…POS Troll nut jobs who bow at the alter of Ogabe…that is shameless. People have actually read the bill unlike the congresscritters who work for them. They like what they have and they don’t want the camel’s nose under the tent. How much koolaid do you have to drink not to see this government power grab for what it is? Go ahead, pass it over the objections of the people…you leftists are begging for a civil war!

jwp1964 on August 22, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21

Don’t even start with the fact that they are all racist — how did he get elected and why didn’t we have all these protests during the election if people are so racist. Wake up … it’s his policies that are driving this!

idahoconservative on August 22, 2009 at 9:24 AM

They already know these town hall mobsters will and never will vote democrat anyway.
They are only saying this to please the swing voting conservatives in their districts. The ones in the town halls were mostly republican hacks still in shock a liberal black man is now their commander in chief.

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

I see … now we’re monsters. Not the union thugs that beat people up, but us.

Nice. Typical democrat rationalization.

Is the race card all you have left?

You’re a racist.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM

John McCain could never understand that crossing the aisle was a weak-kneed mistake. People don’t go around picking up rattlesnakes because they are pretty. People are getting wise to the idea that you are what you are and that rattlesnakes bite. Its what they do.

bluegrass on August 22, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Afrolib can’t argue the actual contents of the bill so it resorts to the standard personal attacks.

Everyone’s on to your commie tactics, even if you aren’t.

Loser, racist, thug, clown … that’s Afrolib.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Isn’t it a bit early to be throwing around racist statements on this thread? Your racism is going to get you banned.

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM

They are only saying this to please the swing voting conservatives in their districts. The ones in the town halls were mostly republican hacks still in shock a liberal black man is now their commander in chief.

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Racist.

ladyingray on August 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM

It just fumbled a stimulus package and a program to kill old cars

MSNBC proclaims on every show “Cash for Clunkers” a giant success. Never do they mention the dealers having yet to be paid. Never.

Marcus on August 22, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The Blue Dogs are only saying this for show. They already know these town hall mobsters will and never will vote democrat anyway.
They are only saying this to please the swing voting conservatives in their districts. The ones in the town halls were mostly republican hacks still in shock a liberal black man is now their commander in chief.

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Doesn’t matter what they think.If they vote for this ObamaCare Socialist Plan, they’re out of office. They just migfht be anyhow in ’10

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

How about the section that authorizes the IRS to tax people an additional 2.5% of their gross income if they don’t buy government insurance. Got that? You must buy from the government or pay them protection money.

Thugs … one and all, starting from the White House on down.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM

It certainly isn’t the Republicans’ fault that Zero is an Affirmative Action incompetent. His excuses are worn out. He talked big and can’t even meet a minimal standard.

All his ghetto swagger, gang-banger bravado and predictable, tiresome finger pointing won’t change that.

viking01 on August 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Sorry, your statment is not true. There were lots of folks at these meetings that are not Republicans. This isn’t Liberal or Conservative anymore. This is strictly an American thing going on now. This President has not done anything since Jan. 19th that shows he is a President to all of us. He has “governed” LEFT and doesn’t seem to understand that this isn’t a banana republic. He can’t seem to stop poking at the hornet’s nest. This isn’t Presidential behavior.

BetseyRoss on August 22, 2009 at 9:31 AM

It certainly isn’t the Republicans’ fault that Zero is an Affirmative Action incompetent. His excuses are worn out. He talked big and can’t even meet a minimal standard.

All his ghetto swagger, gang-banger bravado and predictable, tiresome finger pointing won’t change that.

viking01 on August 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Very good point

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

How about the section that authorizes the IRS to tax people an additional 2.5% of their gross income if they don’t buy government insurance. Got that? You must buy from the government or pay them protection money.

Thugs … one and all, starting from the White House on down.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Darwin..Shh..the SEIU thugs are at your door…LOLOL

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM

These guys are freaki’ Einsteins,that’s what these guys are….

CynicalOptimist on August 22, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Mugabecare had two trillion stakes driven through its heart last night after those deficit numbers were released.

If it was on life support yesterday the death panel sent it to the morgue last night.

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I listened to CNN this morning for the couple of hours before Fox & Friends started. NOT 1 mention of the $2 trillion underestimate by Obama & Crew.

The story was not headlined on ABC, CBS, or WaPo on custom Google page.

The only people that are learning about this either are readers (blogs) or Fox viewers/listeners.

We’re screwed.

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:39 AM

….freakin’ Einsteins…is what I meant

CynicalOptimist on August 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM

“Can’t handle what’s on their plate now”, that’s the biggest understatement of the big picture the libs are producing to date. Boyd must be the sharpest tool in their box.

Kissmygrits on August 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Afrolib … did you know Obama holds the Guinness world record for the most “ummms” in one sentence? I believe he set it in Ohio.

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Darwin..Shh..the SEIU thugs are at your door…LOLOL

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I have my friends Mossberg and Ruger waiting for them. We’ll have a party!

darwin on August 22, 2009 at 9:43 AM

When my mom and her friends living in senior housing decide to show up at a townhall for the first time in the 80-year plus lives to protest this mess, they will be called “mostly republican hacks still in shock a liberal black man is now their commander in chief.”

This is wrong, Obamanuts. They voted for this guy!

I say, let’s hope these Dems continue to get it entirely wrong.

DrStock on August 22, 2009 at 9:43 AM

There are plenty of folks that are getting curious by now. I can’t believe that the turnout has been this good considering the media is in the tank for Obama. It would certainly help if they actually reported this stuff, but everyone I talk to seems to be quite well-informed without the alphabet soup media. The word is getting out because or word of mouth. This is a grass roots movement.

BetseyRoss on August 22, 2009 at 9:44 AM

2. lets not discuss that option yet….

jwp1964 on August 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Read five by five.

It’s lingering in the background. They do not fear it yet, because it has not occured to them as a posibility. They are not that aware.

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:44 AM

I listened to CNN this morning for the couple of hours before Fox & Friends started. NOT 1 mention of the $2 trillion underestimate by Obama & Crew.

The story was not headlined on ABC, CBS, or WaPo on custom Google page.

The only people that are learning about this either are readers (blogs) or Fox viewers/listeners.

We’re screwed.

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:39 AM

We can hope that as the day goes on, this gets more attention. Something like this can’t stay a secret long.

Ex-Dem on August 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Well that’s disconcerting, but have no fear those numbers are a political bombshell that’ll dominate the airwaves this coming week.

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM

The Blue Dogs are only saying this for show. They already know these town hall mobsters will and never will vote democrat anyway.
They are only saying this to please the swing voting conservatives in their districts. The ones in the town halls were mostly republican hacks still in shock a liberal black man is now their commander in chief.

Afrolib on August 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Hey there stupid! I’d be more than happy to support a conservative black man or woman with both my vote and my money if he or she were standing in support of the Constitution of the United States of America. What I will not do is support a Marxist fool just because he happens to be black. The fact that you do happens to show who is the racist in this scenario. You, sir, are the racist.

jimmy2shoes on August 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Rep. Gene Green (D-Houston) had his own problems facing his voters this week. He was the one who had the bright idea to require I.D. to gain admittance to his townhall meeting to prove residency in his district.

Twice as many people showed up as they had space for, with proper I.D. The people were 50-1 against him and Obamacare. An excellent account, with video, can be found at
http://lonestartimes.com/2009/08/20/gene-green-town-hall-8-19/

The hypocrisy: Green has consistently voted against Voter I.D. proposals.

TXUS on August 22, 2009 at 9:49 AM

The only people that are learning about this either are readers (blogs) or Fox viewers/listeners.

We’re screwed.

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Actually I don’t believe that is the case anymore.

The word is getting around in spite of the MSM. Look at the exponential growth in people attending THMs and protests. They are getting their information from a myriad of sources that no longer are dependent upon the MSM.

Also, look at the declining circulations in the print media and the precipitous drops in ratings for the MSM television offerings.

There is an information flow that they had not forseen and haven’t be able to stifle.

We are not screwed. We have just begun to fight back.

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM

The hypocrisy: Green has consistently voted against Voter I.D. proposals.

TXUS on August 22, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Typical.

ladyingray on August 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM

I guess we’ll see if it comes up on the Sunday shows . . . sigh . . .

I researched Obama in late 2007/early 2008 after first thinking he might actually be “something new” (a real departure for me — a dyed in the wool Republican from birth). It took little time to stumble across old interviews with him from the mid-1990s and to realize he had initially proudly run on the Democratic Socialist ticket.

I kept waiting for the news to come out but it never did. Sometimes I feel like I am living in a Kurt Vonnegut novel. :p

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Hey folks don’t forget if anyone has time today is The recess rally to crank up the pressure on these weasels around the country. All 435 are getting protests today.

http://recessrally.com/

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Yoop on August 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Thanks for the reply. I was only talking about people not learning yet about the $2 trillion undertarget. I thought it would be one of the top stories this morning but not so much so far. :(

I absolutely agree with you that overall there is a growing network of people and organizations banding together to keep each other informed as the hesitancy over Obama’s spendthrift ways grows to alarm and then outright terror.

I love democracy in action and am glad to see it making a stand at last.

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Greyledge Gal on August 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Well GG, I agree I looked into his background early last year and realized what he was immediately. I’ll tell you I was shocked at how the media colluded with his campaign but I have a feeling the cat’s out of the bag now. What we need to do now is keep up pressure…

elduende on August 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM

The anger is real…

Surprised…

They really and truly “don’t get it.”

Oink on August 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Upon their return from the August Recess, the Democrats will pass Obamacare without a single Republican vote.

Expect Pelosi and Reid to insert a one-liner rule somewhere among the 1017 pages of this monstrosity which makes the names of those who voted for passage of Obamacare an “Offical State Secret” the disclosure of which constitues treason punishable by life in prison in a Federal SuperMax Prison where you are denied visitation.

This way, those Democrats in districts where their own re-election is at risk, can stand there at their TownHall Meetings and look each of their constituents squarely in the eye and state that they never voted for the bill! … while calling everybody who said they did a liar and demanding they prove otherwise.

Mahdi on August 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Recess rally in front of Donnelly’s office (So. Bend, IN) at noon today. I’ll be there.

SKYFOX on August 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM

You gotta give it to Boyd. He’s pretty darn perceptive.

Just wait Boyd.

I would say the majority of the most vociferous opponents of the health care debate would agree that modifications to the way health care is delivered in the USA should occur.

But Cap and Tax?

Pick that up again dems and then the fur will really fly.

Spider79 on August 22, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Tom, give it up. The truth is out there — in the progressives’ own words: the story of Jacob Hacker’s idea for “a new public insurance pool modeled after Medicare” in The American Prospect, the videos of Hacker disguising his “single-payer” scheme as a “public option.” The article in the British Medical Journal, Lancet, by health-care advisor to the President, Ezekiel Emanuel, on the “Principles for allocation of scarce medical resources,” explaining his “Complete Lives System,” complete with age graphs of useful, and not so useful, years; videos of Obama lying during the campaign about how he would expose and fight big Pharma, the secret deal he made, and the White House admits making, with Pharma…and much more.

Oh, and you can add FactCheck to your list of phony villains, since they agree abortions will be funded under the health care plan.

We’re not dumb, Tom. Give it up.

Nichevo on August 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I have 3 words of advice for you!

READ THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!

capejasmine on August 22, 2009 at 10:36 AM

For those in the NE PA region – or wanna join from OH/NY and SE PA, there’s gonna be a tea party/rally in Waterford, PA on Septemer 7th.

This is a historical place, since George Washington made a stop in Waterford with his soldiers. In fact, in Waterford there’s the only George Washington statue in the world wearing a British military uniform.

Main plaza, 3 pm. Town’s kinda cute but pretty small so it should be tough to get in and find a spot to park.

ProudPalinFan on August 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM

The anger is real. What they’re upset about is not. These people are being used by politicians, radio show hosts, soon-to-be private citizens of Rhode Island with Facebook accounts, and sites like HA to spread misinformation about this bill to get people all riled up.

There are no death panels. It does not constitute a government take over of health care. Private insurers CAN take on new clients.

There have been so many bald-face, egregious lies told about this bill and spread by the chattering class of the Republican party that it’s not surprised that you find people so scared.

Then when all these lies are pointed out, you guys fall back on is — “people just don’t want this bill! What part of NO don’t you understand?”

It’s shameless.

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

What’s shameless is you have the gall to actually hit “submit comment” after typing this nonsense!

Man we need a better class of democrat/communist useful idiot!

It’s obvious you haven’t actually read H.R. 3200. I know there are like big words and stuff that might overtax your feeble minded government educated brain, but even a complete idiot should be able to figure this one out.

And no, Sarah Palin ain’t moving to Rhode Island! (or Texas, or any of the other reported places) I bet you think aliens abducted Elvis and JFK as well, right?

As for her Facebook page, oh yeah, ain’t it great?

Obama has both houses of Congress, 99.9999 percent of the media, as well as the bully pulpit of the White House, and yet one “renegade soccer mom” (her words) writes two words on Facebook and puts the fear of God into Obama and the entire democrat/communist party!

Hell, Obama was still whining about her this morning in his weekly address!!!

Man up Obama, you are the “president” for goodness sake! There’s no crying in the president’s office!

As for death panels, hmmm, I think some cancer patients in Oregon, as well as military vets who are handed a “death book,” that may disagree with you.

Run on back to your ACORN handlers and tell them you need some fresher talking points! You’re not worth the pre-paid Visa card they are paying you with!!

gary4205 on August 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I just read a letter on the local newspaper about a tea partier complaining about our Rep.’s town hall meeting. Tried to deviate the isse back to the people and THEIR health care problems rather than selling Obama’s. Of course, she kept the meeting so short people were still coming in and then she called it quits.

1-She’s a rookie at this; first term and she has to deal with her constituents ~ SWEET!!!!
2-Comes from a wealthy family in the whole city;
3-One of her campaign initiatives was for us to dump our cars and get on our bicycles…!?!??!?!?! WHAT ABOUT WINTERTIME???? That’s for starters.

ProudPalinFan on August 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM

gary4205 on August 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Thank you Gary!!!

Oink on August 22, 2009 at 10:52 AM

No duh, Sherlock.

They may be in a minority

No THEY are actually a MAJORITY NOW and they have figured out the real purpose of the obamunist bill. See if you can follow the dots, like I did.

When it starts you have your own health care.
Your healthcare premium increases by one cent
Obamunist care automatically kicks you out of your existing plan.

You are provided an obamunist plan
You are provided an obamunist plan ID
Your bank accounts are opened to the obamunist regulators

Your medical records and financial records are accumulated by the obamunist plan regulators.

The obamunist plan planners take care of you.

You are now a serf in the new obamunist state, serving a new permanent political aristocracy.

Connect the dots. Think, for cryin out loud!

dogsoldier on August 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I guess I should have mentioned that when a sufficient number of serfs are in the obamunist plan, the new political aristocracy will control everything. For a little while anyway.

The socialists like the government in Maine are super stupid and their plans NEVER WORK and always lead to more taxes, until the people revolt. But by then incredible damage will be done.

Taxes are the worlds most addictive drug. Politicians cannot get enough, which is why they should be starved of them to begin with.

dogsoldier on August 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Run on back to your ACORN handlers and tell them you need some fresher talking points! You’re not worth the pre-paid Visa card they are paying you with!!

gary4205 on August 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM

LOL…That’s NOT fair. He COULD be a paid SIEU goon.

Jeff from WI on August 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM

My parents and brother live in Allen Boyd’s district and they are PISSED. John McCain drew one of his biggest crwods of the campaign there last year. Boyd has been a fairly conservative Dem, but he voted for the Porkulus and he hasn’t said a peep about nancy Pelosi’s thug tactics or far-left agenda. It’s a very middle-class area with a lot of retirees and a lot of military people.

Another thing you will find if you talk to folks who live in Panama City Beach is that almost everyone has met a Canadian or two who has come down there for surgery or tests or drugs that they can’t get back home. Canada actually passed a law several years ago that says you have to live in Canada for 9 months out of the year to have your health care in the U.S. paid for by the Canadian hralth service. It cut way back on the snowbirders and people getting longterm care in Florida. Hurt the economy in the Panhadle for a while too. Before that law was passed, you were likely to see as many Canadian license plates as American, and they were coming mostly for the doctors and hospitals.

rockmom on August 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM

There is no question that this is authentic reaction. Dems allowed the insurance companies to get out in front with seniors. It’s very clear that it was seniors who stormed the Townhalls, even before other protesters jumped on board.

Some are now there just to yell about everything, but initially, it was seniors.

AnninCA on August 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM

A majority of the people in those townhalls have gray hair. They are either full fledged seniors or baby boomers. I am a baby boomer. In our lifetime we have lost fathers and uncles defending Europe, lost friends and brothers fighting in Viet Nam and Korea, lost sons and daughters in Iraq and Afghanistan. We suffered the humiliation of the Iran hostage crisis. We have paid for LBJ’s Great Society many times over.We have gone through the turmoil of two impeachments, and now we are on the verge of financial collapse because politicians and Acorn pressured banks into foolish loans.
Now at the end of our productive years our 401K’s have been cut in half and our home values have dropped like a turd from a tall cow. We don’t have anywhere to go with the money we have left because we can only get 1% on our savings and our banks are still shaky with the bad paper that started all this and the commercial real estate shoe will soon drop. I am not re-assured by the FDIC guarantee.Because we have monetized our incredible debt we are very likely going to see hyper inflation at some point.
Social Security is broke. Medicare is broke. The country is broke. Obama says the healthcare issue has been politicized. That is exactly what happens by defintion when the government gets involved.
Every monumental crisis or tragedy I have cited above is the result of governmental intervention into our lives. Even if socialized medicine was a good thing we can’t afford it.

evensteven on August 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Some are now there just to yell about everything, but initially, it was seniors.

AnninCA on August 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I think most seniors are very pissed off and scared right now. Their retirement funds have tanked, the value of their homes has shrunk, the federal deficit is skyrocketing to levels they have never even imagined in their long lives, Congress keeps passing nonsensical spending bills that are only getting us deeper in debt, and now comes a health care proposal that will be paid for partially by cutting Medicare. Can you blame them for being pissed?

This is a generation that saved money, spent wisely, lived within its means, saved the world, and built America’s economy into the envy of the world. Now they see a generation behind them spending and borrowing their way into oblivion, living beyond their means and then crying to taxpayers for bailouts large and small, begging for subsidies for everything, expecting “someone else” to take care of their parents and their aunts and uncles in their old age or to simply kill them off, and generally acting like spoiled brats who don’t want to grow up and accept responsibility for their own profligacy.

They have seen 20 years of Presidents who were immature, unprepared, and ran America into a ditch. Now they see the most immature and childlike of them all, Barack Obama, running the country even further into the ditch instead of trying to pull it out, and they are saying ENOUGH!

This goes way beyond the current health care propsals.

rockmom on August 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM

some more mob behavior wink

iam7545 on August 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM

It’s an alternate universe. There is nothing in the bill that will reform health care. It is a naked grab for power and the administration thinks we are too stupid to see it. They can’t defend the bill, because there is no defense so Obama and his goons are attacking us.
If disagreeing with white female Congresswoman Pelosi, white male Senator Reid, and black President Obama makes me a racist, then racism has changed it’s definition.
racist = does not believe liberal bull crap.

conservativegrandma on August 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Awesome – it’s about time our rep down here got a freaking clue. However, he should have seen the storm clouds coming a bit earlier when we had the April tea party here in Tallahassee. I’ve lived here for a few years, and it’s always been a traditionally liberal area (with the usual suspects constantly picketing the capital). But I’ve never seen anything like this – sooo many people are riled up and active (both conservative Dems and Repubs) against what the administration is pushing. There is definitely still hope down here – we’re not going down without a fight!

specialkayel on August 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM

kelley in virginia on August 22, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Perriello, 5th CD, Va. defeated Virgil Goode by a mere .25%. That’s right, one quarter of one percent was the difference. I just read that he is NOT going to seek a rematch with Perriello.

Who do you think would make a non-RINO conservative candidate in the district? I’m going to be writing letters to newspapers and commenting on all Democrat and RINO candidates in areas around me, without fail, come next election cycle. Enough of this RINO/Democrat non-choice, even in contiguous districts.

ExpressoBold on August 22, 2009 at 12:29 PM

This “blue dog” is one more democrat vote that helped elect Pelosi as Speaker of the House.

Remember that when you are tempted to vote Democrat.

scotash on August 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Tom_Shipley
Yeah, that’s the new Democrat talking point: anyone opposed is making stuff up. I read the bill. These are not lies. The congressional offering has oversite commitees that, while not specifically called “death panels” will be exactly that. This bill will pay for abortions, pay insurance for illegal immigrants, destroy the insurance companies and lead to a single payer system. If you would like to really debate this issue, read the bill and I can SHOW you where all of this information is located. The only liars right now are the proponents of this freedom destroying tyranny of a bill.

jakabok_botch on August 22, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Tom_Shipley on August 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM

You know, I’m so sick of this sh!t. Can you liberals/”progressives” for once argue something on merit and facts? Wait, you can’t, because as soon as you read the bill and the truth really comes out, your talking points fall apart. Nevermind…go back to your ad hominem attacks and demonizations…because that’s all you have.

specialkayel on August 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM

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