Video: Obamageddon in 2012?
posted at 2:55 pm on August 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Right Scoop has Fox News’ interview with Trends Research president Gerald Celente, an economic prognosticator with a long history of prescience, in which Celente predicts an economic collapse for the US in the next few years. Despite his track record, New York Magazine pooh-poohed his predictions, calling them “pessimism porn” last February. Considering the direction of the economy since February, it seems that Celente at least has an argument:
This has been long in the making, but now it’s being accelerated, by these programs of stimulus packages, bailouts, buyouts, government takeovers. By the way, people are calling it — is it nationalism, is it socialism? The merger of state and corporate powers, according to Mussolini who knew a thing or two about it, is called fascism. So what we’re doing is we’re looking at the disintegration of the empire in terms of, “This used to be the entrepreneurial empire of the world.” And now, it’s become a place of the “too big to fails.”
Celente speaks a great deal of truth in this, but does that mean we should start building the bomb shelters, hoarding food, and stocking up on ammunition? The US has been through tougher times and not collapsed before now, although the 1930s took us in a direction that led us directly to this crisis, with government interventions and massive deficit spending on nanny-state programs. The entitlement crisis alone will create the need for a massive reckoning, as every Ponzi scheme does at the end, and thus far the US has done its best to run away from it — especially this administration.
I’m more of an optimist. The pressures Celente cites will create a push for political change, but that has much more chance of being beneficial, peaceful, and liberating, especially as the bills come due for decades of liberalism and “compassionate conservatism.” At least Celente provides a peek as to what could come if we don’t end our Hopium addiction.
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Good point.
If you can, get yourself a stripped lower and build your own.
I would think that you would also want a variety of weapons to suit different situations.
Chainsaw56 on August 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Rural Michigan would be good if you have the family support structure there to produce the minimum needed to survive. Mules are good to have as well, although I’ve been playing with the idea of home produced bio-diesel, but tractors don’t do so well on a mountain side.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The US may have been through tougher times before, but we didn’t have someone deliberately trying to destroy the economy then either.
JohnJ on August 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I agree, but mommypundit said what gun, and not what guns, so if I were going to pick just one rifle it would have to fire the 5.56 round.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Well, if the collapse is drawn out longer, then there is a better chance that things will be ok, if the government stops meddling. The problem is, there are a lot of “ifs”.
I’m just trying to be optimistic.
The actual economy is very resilient. The biggest issue in my opinion, is information (or lack of) in regards to how the economy works. That has been the most frustrating thing to watch. All this class warfare, outrage over bonuses, turning profit into a 4 letter word. This has to stop.
It has also been in the best interests of the clowns in DC to talk down the economy, even now. Things are not great now, but they have been much, much worse before.
Joe Obama Voter might feel a little better about himself, might have an extra couple bucks in his pocket and take great pleasure in watching “rich” people brought down a peg or two. But even the idiot Joe Obama Voter will realize that that rich guy gave him his job, that those evil profits are what keeps the country running.
We just need more people out there communicating this.
reaganaut on August 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Barry Hussein reminds me of Saddaam……even when he knew he was done for, he could not let his EGO go easily so he lit all the oil fields on fire just for fun to snub his nose at the world….
I could easily see this guy doing the same…especially as the first term winds down with a Republican congress…..
SDarchitect on August 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Exactly. And that’s why you can’t point to a single thing Obama has done to actually improve the economy.
Tarp was a payoff to supporters, and they’re not even interested in spending it on stimulus. All the takeovers (banks, insurance, car companies) do little to help the economy, but does a lot to further his goal of state-owned everything. Even when he takes over GM, he loads it up with Union ownership to stack the deck against its recovery.
Even when he spends $10 billion, he spends it on Brazil state owned offshore drilling. No support here for offshore drilling or nuclear energy. Why not? The job creation and greater energy independence might slow down his destruction of the economy.
Really – anyone who doubts his destruction is deliberate needs to come up with an example of how he has done ANYTHING meaningful to make the economy recover in the long run.
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM
For handguns (assuming the use you predict is post-apocalytic), you’ll need something that uses a common, if not universal ammo type. I suggest something in 9mm or .45 cal (ammo for these can be found all over the place). The .45 has more power (usually if you hit it, it won’t be getting up any time soon) than the 9mm, but the 9mm is just fine for self defense and CQ in cave and burned-out urban terrain.
For hunting, I recommend traps, sharp sticks and blunt rocks. Ammo will be too valuable to waste on rats.
BobMbx on August 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM
If Obama loses in 2012, I sincerely believe millions of libtards will go to Canada. It will be glorious!
Speedwagon82 on August 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Obambi has no plans to waste the coming financial collapse. He will lead the way in instituting a global financial currency. It’s coming and nothing and nobody can stop it.
johnnybgood on August 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Oh my….that’s frightening. Like AntiChrist or something. Uh oh.
NJ Red on August 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Non-hybrid (or heirloom) means that the plants that grow from the seeds will produce seeds of their own. (Which you can then plant to grow more plants.) Hybrid, or terminator seeds produce plants that will not have viable seeds…
Why some yahoo decided terminator seeds were a good idea is beyond me…
Battlecruiser-operational on August 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM
People are finally maybe coming around. With a approval rating under 50%, perhaps some of the Democrats will get the message and walk away from him.
flytier on August 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM
LOL – just after I wrote that, I saw a new story on HA. Quoted from that:
See what I mean?
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 3:52 PM
The Baby Boomers, which I am one, have NEVER had to sacrafice anything for the United States.
Maybe they should sacrafice their Medicare, Social Security, other government entitlements.
PappaMac on August 21, 2009 at 3:52 PM
.223 is 5.56. Same ammunition, different designations…
Battlecruiser-operational on August 21, 2009 at 3:53 PM
That’s true, I just meant that in general sense – that you would want to have different types, because maybe one gun wouldn’t be optimal for every situation.
You may also want to ‘Store some away’ some in case of certain eventualities, so to speak.
Chainsaw56 on August 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Don’t know. But I still want a pony.
BobMbx on August 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM
OPEN LETTER TO DEMS
Join us. Welcome to the Dark Side.
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Non Hybrid seeds for those who want to know.These are simply seeds that are natural. The fruit and vegges may not look as pretty as store bought fruit and vegges .You also can save the seed and grow another crop year after year.Most hybrid will not reproduce.All or most survival people use non hybrid seed
thmcbb on August 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM
non hybrid seeds ‘breed true’. means seeds from hybrid plants might not germinate, or will produce one of the two parent plants, not the ideal.
thmcbb also makes a good point about shelf life. commercial canned goods have an expiration date. Stock up now, and they might be out of date by the time you need them.
So learn to garden, learn to preserve what your garden produces. Of course, if you are self-sufficient with a productive garden, you become a target.
So…the best strategy is make friends with you neighbors, co-ordinate with your neighbors, organize with your neighbors into a watch group….and by the way, convince your friends, family, and neighbors to vote. (good luck with that.)
Skandia Recluse on August 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Really – anyone who doubts his destruction is deliberate needs to come up with an example of how he has done ANYTHING meaningful to make the economy recover in the long run.
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM
I’m trying to stop it…Tea Parties, Washington March, telling whoever will listen…and no, he hasn’t done anything meaningful for recovery but he has divided everyone politically, racially and by class. I guess that will help him in what he is really trying to do. God help us get to 2012 in one piece with something left.
NJ Red on August 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I’ve heard people say this before. Can you or anyone else enlighten me? I would love to have an AR-15. The thought of buying the parts and building it myself really intrigues me.
cjs1943 on August 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Meh – guns are easy.
Right now the best weapon we have is information and hard work.
Let me first state that I am a lifelong NRA member, and own several weapons myself and the better part of my adult life has been spent carrying a weapon as part of my career.
However, and I know this sounds like a cliche, the best thing we can do now is counter the massive spin in the media, around the water cooler, at picnics, etc…
Flood your reps with letters and calls. Flood the papers with letters to the editors, dispel the myths with clever conversation. I’ve been lucky to have several letters printed in my newspaper over the last couple of years, I’ve butted into more than one conversation in the break room and shed some light on some misconceptions and I’ve been working overtime at family gatherings with my lib in-laws.
People just don’t know how things work, and more often than not when it is explained to them so that they can comprehend, it does open their eyes. I’ve seen it time and time again.
I even work on my daughter’s friends in a subtle way. My older daughter actually has Hillsdale college in her top 3 choices right now, and I never lectured or preached (who can to a teenager), she just gets it.
reaganaut on August 21, 2009 at 3:58 PM
I don’t want to get into that here, since I have seen board wars over this subject. I’m no ammo expert but this the general wisdom I have gathered. You can fire a .223 in a 5.56 weapon, but you cannot fire a 5.56 in a .223 weapon, well you can but there is a risk associated with it. My AR-15 can fire both .223 and 5.56. The ammo type is inscribed on the lower, and ones that can fire both have both scribed on the lower.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM
No, you’re wrong. Two words: Viet Nam. Go to the ‘Mall’ in Washington; visit that giant tombstone with over 58 thousand names. Most are ‘baby boomers’
Don’t fall for or spread the Woodstock Fallacy: while that shindig was happening there were over a half-million men and a few thousand women in Vietnam.
As groovy as that concert was, there were far more young American men fighting a war which they felt obligated to fight in.
Janos Hunyadi on August 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM
A scientific oddity that is self correcting. If those hybrid plants can’t reproduce, they’ll die off in one season. Too bad that doesn’t hold true for all species that don’t reproduce. Like the San Franozoids.
BobMbx on August 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM
(OT)
Cliff notes for “Newspeak 2009”
Tolerance – a strict adherence to the prescribed liberal talking points
Paranoid – any person that believes that Obama’s 20 years spent in Reverend Wright’s church shaped his view of race, politics and the US.
Climate change – I thought the “greenhouse effect” was causing global warming. Is the greenhouse effect now driving climate change? Is the greenhouse effect no longer in play since the term “global warming” has morphed into “climate change”? What global climate event occurred that caused warming to become change? Newspeak?
Hate speech – any thought that is outside the agenda of “tolerance”
Republican conspiracy – the stereotyping of any American that is against a wholesale take over of the healthcare industry by the government.
Racist – a person that holds different opinions than the liberals on the southern border, affirmative action or any other issue involving people who are not white.
Hater – any person that disagrees with our cool black President
Ed Graef on August 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM
With mushroooming debt and the Treasury printing money to buy it up, severe inflation… possibly even hyperinflation… is everything but guaranteed.
As if double-digit inflation’s not bad enough, the more serious issue is how soon before China decides to disinvest and the world switches off the dollar as its reserve currency. That’s when the real fun begins.
Looks pretty rough ahead to me. I’m not digging bomb shelters yet, but I’ve moved from DC to the mountains and I’m reallocating investments.
petefrt on August 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Good information.
Thank you!
Chainsaw56 on August 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM
In regards to guns. I strongly suggest a .22 rifle. .22 ammo is cheap and you will want to use it to hunt small game. Also there is a lot of good information at survivalblog.com.
AC
AC on August 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Excellent advice if you’re just looking to survive, but there will be work that has to be done. I plan on setting my family up back at the parents and then once they are settled leaving to take care of that business. Thus the need for something that can fire 5.56 ammo.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Lots of AR-15 fans here.
An AR-15 might seem the better choice if only because the ammo for that weapon is more readily available but generally speaking if I want a s**t hit the fan end of the world situation rifle, it’d be a AK-47. They’re cheap, reliable, easy to maintain, easy to fire and accurate enough. I got two Romanian SAR-1 rifles and ten 30 rd. mags (though I really need to get more).
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have an AR-15 and I know it’s a great rifle but if we’re talking about “Obamageddon” situations then the AK-47 is the way to go.
As for handguns, I’m pretty much a .45 ACP guy all the way. A Kimber 1911 and H&K USP complete my “arsenal” though I really need to add a shotgun to the collection someday. Nothing against the 9mm really, I just prefer the .45 ACP is all.
Yakko77 on August 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM
I sit corrected. Talked to my bro, and he says the bullet is the same size (and the brass I would guess) but that the 5.56 is a stronger powder charge. My bad.
Ok, that makes sense. So if some crazy scientist accidently creates triffids, they’ll die off eventually… Good idea.
Battlecruiser-operational on August 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Sure he does. His underlying facts and assumptions are correct and obvious. There is a big storm coming and now it’s just a question of how bad.
This is basic math and elementary economics. You simply can’t spend trillions you don’t have, print fiat money and allow this much intrusion into the private sector without very serious consequences.
At the very least we can expect 70′s style stagflation, high interest rates and high unemployment for the forseeable future. My humble prediction is that we will start seeing that in the next 12-18 months. That’s when most of the stimulus dollars start flooding in at the same time taxes go up.
Will it get as bad as Celente says it will? Who knows. But I would be prepared for anything.
RadClown on August 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM
What does “bugging out” mean?
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I have to disagree again with Ed.
First, you have the radical left – which is marxist in nature and therefor violent. When they cannot reach their goals by slight of hand and lying – they’ll turn to violence of some sort. At the very least – they will not shut up long enough to allow the “Conservative Utopians” that Ed envisions to fix things.
Second, when the day of reckoning comes, consider what is going to happen …
*Seniors no longer getting a check in the mail for Social Security.
*Seniors being turned away from clinics due to the government’s inability to pay Medicare.
*Retired Military – suddenly won’t be getting their retirement checks.
*Retired Govvies – suddenly not getting theirs either.
Throw in the fact that there will be considerable pressure placed upon the government by foreign governments who are stockholders in our debt. The government will be busy on all fronts.
There WILL be civil unrest once the government starts defaulting on entitlements.
But there’s more – you know who else get government entitlements? Retired Lawmakers. What do you think would be the response in this nation if everyone who received an entitlement stopped getting it but the lawmakers continued to get theirs?
This is … Really a train wreck coming and I do not think it will happen peacefully. Once all these things start happening – loyalty to the Union will begin to suffer, and you will see States (especially those of the same political mind) banding together – perhaps seceeding.
This is the future. Wish it weren’t. For me – I’d give every penny of my military retirement up with a smile if we got back to the basics in the country and what we were founded upon. And that means that America is for Americans and illegal aliens – no matter what age they are – get deported. I mean – rounded up – and deported. Short of that – if the government won’t do that – then screw ‘em – I’ll keep my military retirement until they can no longer pay and we can do this the hard way.
Unfortunately – it’ll be the hard way. Neither the Dems nor the Ayatollahs in the GOP have the guts to stand up to the inevitable – and that is why Ed is wrong here.
HondaV65 on August 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM
The lower receiver is the usually forged aluminum and machined part of the AR that is sort of like the motherboard of a PC, for want of a better analogy. It’s the part with the serial number and technically by itself constitutes a gun according to the Feds.
The rest of the parts are.. well just parts.
You need a FFL to get a lower, but not with the other parts. The main reason to build one yourself is not only that you can build exactly what you want, but it’s also a good way to learn the weapon.
Brownell’s and other dealers have great online videos on building your own.
Chainsaw56 on August 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM
My weapon and i have all kinds but for plain old self defence is my side by side 12 ga. coach gun.Using 3 inch mag 00 buck shot or 3 inch mag. slugs.I use the slugs when i tell someone welcome to the neighborhood or the 00 buck shot when i tell a intruder welcome to my house.
thmcbb on August 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Agree with you there, I have an AR-15 and a WASR-10 (poor man’s Romanian AK clone) and the AK has really grown on me. It is built very robustly, and seems to be accurate enough to take care of business at close and medium range. Not a tack driver like the AR-15, but will most people be shooting at targets over 500 yards? Depends on the situation…
Battlecruiser-operational on August 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM
That’s spot on! GREAT.
For a time I will credit you with that. Then I will not. Then it will be mine.
jukin on August 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM
The AK is certainly an excellent choice, but a rifle without ammo is a club. I will take the AR because you can scrounge ammo more easily.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM
I prefer “Opacalypse” mayself.
However “Wee-Day” does have a historic ring to it.
TMK on August 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM
I fear that, like responsible parents, Conservatives will have to deliver a dose of reality to the country at some point and revamp bankrupt programs like Social Security and Medicare. If the Republican Party has the stomach for it, and does the right thing, the body politic has a history of punishing the messenger. We need to take a page from the left, start with the youngsters and build a generation of educated and informed people so we may do what must be done and not be politically eviscerated for it.
Lord knows they jump at the chance to whine and finger point given any chance…..thats why the hypocrisy of cutting Medicare in the Health Care Bill is so infuriating. If it was Republicans proposing it, it would be the headline of every newspaper and the first talking point on the lips of every Democrat….
alecj on August 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Never mind, I looked it up. Bugging out = focus on evacuating, not long-term survival. So you need a gun that’s easy to carry.
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Hybrid seeds vs. non-hybrid seeds???? I don’t know nuthin’ ’bout that….If it gets to that point I’m gonna be eating Liberals for protein. I know the wrists won’t have much muscle, but the backstrap oughta be pretty nutritious…
adamsmith on August 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Making like a shepherd and getting the flock out… Making like a tree and leaving…Getting the heck outta Dodge…
Battlecruiser-operational on August 21, 2009 at 4:21 PM
There is wisdom in that but I just can’t afford to go get one right now- especially with their prices soaring like eagles since the Teleprompter in chief took the stage. But not to worry, I figure there will be plenty of them lying around once the shooting starts.
Browncoatone on August 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I’m sorry, I have to laugh at all this gun talk.
Someone asked what type of gun to buy, and now it’s a “I knows more abouts guns than you” thread.
Ask yourself what you want a gun for? Are you going to use it? Do you picture yourself having to open up on a crowd of looters? LOL What if they are armed?
Do you want to scare people away? Do you just want to own a gun for piece of mind?
Be careful who you listen to. If – and this is a huge IF – we ever get to this point, I can guarantee I wouldn’t need to purchase any new guns. I could easily stockpile a nice cache of fancy guns that I took from all of these internet experts.
I guess the bottom line is, the internet is not the best place to ask these types of questions. Seriously, look up your local sportsman’s club or find a reputable dealer and talk to them.
reaganaut on August 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM
LOL. Get a Glock now, and use it to defend yourself while you go shopping for a free 5.56 round rifle later?
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Quickly!
thomasaur on August 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Gerald Celente claims to have made a lot of accurate predictions: Fall of the Soviet Union, Dot Com bubble, Asian financial crisis; but aside from his own proclamations, what evidence do we have that he made these predictions? How vague or specific were they?
Did he say that the Soviet Union would collapse in 1989, or did he say that the Soviet Union was fundamentally unstable (which many many people said).
Does anyone have the specifics?
I mean, I like this guy, but he reminds me of the ultimate Monday morning QB.
DJ Rick on August 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Yeah, unless you have a ton of 7.62 x 39 ammo stockpiled for your AK then the AR-15 does make more sense to own.
I hope to God I never have to use it but d**n if we’re not just heading for that cliff but running towards it to get a good jump for when we nosedive into the abyss.
Yakko77 on August 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
It took a Bush to get an Obama
Wade on August 21, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I have really been won over by the S&W MP series. I bought one to plink with and I like it better than my Kimber 1911.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Many people started doing that right after the election results came in.
hawksruleva on August 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Read it.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security…
Conservatives need to get serious. Willing to get out of their comfort zone and ‘get in the face’ of every politician and liberal dumbass.
DGagnon on August 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Just in case, I am stocking up on ammo, booze, and food. If collapse comes, I will be ready. If there is no collapse, I’ll still have a buttload of ammo, booze, and food, so I won’t be losing anything.
Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM
You are dead to me!!!!
LOL!!!!
j/k
Yakko77 on August 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM
I hope in the end you and Ed are right, but if you aren’t? I like going to the range and putting holes in paper, so even if I didn’t think we’re headed for trouble I would still own guns.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM
RE: firearms
It’s kind of like golf: you need a different club to play a well rounded game, but you can get by with a minimal set.
I’d advise buying in this order (and I’m sure others will have differing ideas):
Centerfire handgun - A .38/357 revolver is your best best because of the balance between reliability, typical ease of finding ammo, and stopping power. If you must go with a semi-automatic pistol for some reason, I’m a big believer in the striker-fired guns, such as Springfield Armory XDs, Glocks, and Smith & Wesson M&Ps. Go with 9mm, because it is the most common. But FMJ or RND for practice, but make sure you have top-quality hollowpoints for defensive use. It makes a huge difference.
.22 caliber rifle - A Ruger 10/22 or Marlin Model 60 semi-auto is touch to beat, being that they are inexpensive and plentiful and have your choice of aftermarket accessories. Buy lots of ammunition.
Centerfire rifle or shotgun - A centerfire rifle gives you greater range and allows you to take larger game. A shotgun is very adaptable to multiple roles, but has limited range.
Once you get such a kit set up, then start looking at AR-15s and AK-type rifles if you think them warranted, though I doubt there will be a great need for them.
I say this, however, as someone with an SR-556 at arms-length.
:-)
Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM
It’s embarrassing, but true.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM
IMHO, the best survival gun is a Ruger 10/22. If I could only have one rifle, it would be a Ruger 10/22.
DJ Rick on August 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Catastrophic collapse or no, the rot in America is completely logical. Several decades of media and academia indoctrination saying that America can never do anything right and that capitalism is inherently evil leads to a population that actually believes those things.
The people then, not surprisingly, elect a president who is a nurtured, coddled product of academia. A media darling who has never run a business or met a payroll in his life. A half-black man who believes that America is a racist abomination even after he’s been elected president.
I have some relatives who live in a great neighborhood in Los Angeles in a million dollar house. They’re hardcore liberals. They listen to Pacifia radio. They watch MSNBC. They believe the worst about America and don’t think it ever does anything right (besides electing the God-Christ Obama). One of them has a high-paying job with a local city government (naturally).
They have only a meager understanding that the capitalist system they inchoately hate made their wealthy life possible. When the people have a completely warped understanding of what made the country great, the country loses its way and slides down the drain. THAT is why we’re so screwed right now. The further people wander away from the truth, the farther up s— creek we get.
Django on August 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM
oh, and edit for typos… jeez.
Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM
But If I had to get a centerfire rifle, it would be an H&K G3.
DJ Rick on August 21, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I’ve heard people say this before. Can you or anyone else enlighten me? I would love to have an AR-15. The thought of buying the parts and building it myself really intrigues me.
cjs1943 on August 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM
if you really have machineshop-fu..you can build your own ar-15 lower from scratch too…
http://www.geocities.com/elmgrove1765/project6/project6.html
warhorse_03826 on August 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Driving a truckload of food long haul across the Interstates could become much riskier than it is today.
With roughly four days of food supply in the distribution chain in America’s urban centers, what do you all think is going to happen when it is discovered that these trucks are easy pickins?
That’s just how easy it is for everything to go sideways in a big hurry. People are not thinking if they believe that the basic infrastructure is sound and resilient. It’s not.
Commercial real estate defaults are going to hit the roof fairly soon, and we’re going to see a much larger number of banks go down because of it. Those are the ghost malls – padlocked, with bailiff notice’s glued on the inside of the glass doors.
The most urgent matter has been to attend to the fundamental problems in the economy. That must be the reason Nancy needs new airplanes to flit around in, no?
Celente is right. This is just getting started.
I notice that Bernanke is talking up how the corner is turned… blah blah blah. I have noticed that everytime this kind of pumping makes its way out on to the airwaves, something really bad is about to happen.
Occam’s Razor applies. Somebody is trying to knock the USA on its rear end. Little else makes any sense.
shaken on August 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I’m going to advertise on Craig’s List for human shields.
darwin on August 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM
With the price of receivers these days, you wont save an money building your own. On the plus side, it will be quite the learning experience for you.
DJ Rick on August 21, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Hope you’re listening to Glenn, now. I know it’s taped, it’s great!
Bambi on August 21, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Times like these remind me of the American spirit that is instilled in me. I had one grandfather who worked in the stone mill as a kid and became an inventor in his later years and another grandfather who came alone to America as an 18-year old from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution(soon after coming here, he joined the U.S. Army). They worked hard and had a spirit within them reminds me that what we have here is worth fighting for.
Oddly, if Americans continue to stand up for this country, I actually have an excitement to see what is on the other side. When good, patriotic folks, who are beholden to the Constitution, rise up and take back, Americans can do incredible things.
In Liberty
pjean on August 21, 2009 at 5:06 PM
The first thing you should do is read this site.
The second thing you should do is buy his book, and implement it in your life.
Shambhala on August 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Sorry but this makes no sense to me.
Why would it somehow be easier to get 5.56?
Where do you think you will get it if TSHTF?
Shambhala on August 21, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Good suggestions, but they sometimes take time. A decent airgun can cover a wide variety of edible varmints, from pigeons to squirrels, and a rabbit or two.
TinMan13 on August 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM
A word to all if you start a survival program DO NOT i repeat DO NOT spread the word around to anyone.If the day comes that you need it the friends you thought you had will become takers at any cost.
thmcbb on August 21, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Good post. Can be applied to B & M Obama as well. The Crackberry, the Escalades, the expensive shoes, the teleprompter, instantaneous polling results, being able to talk into a camera and the whole world sees and hears you, the list goes on, all of which they take for granted every day, resulted from the capitalist spirit. It’s all meaningless to them because they don’t see socialism/facism as destroying any of this. As I said before, being liberals, they are not deep thinkers.
Mr_Magoo on August 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM
These decisions are easier IF you already have a gun
YES
Consider that this type of discussion is also for others who may looking on out there.
It’s still a free country – more or less – so we are still free to discuss such things and learn how to become prepared, what’s wrong with that?
Chainsaw56 on August 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM
WOW!
People give me crap for having fairly high end handguns (Kimber and H&K) but H&K rifles are some serious $$$ IIRC. Clearly when it comes to your life it’s not always wise to go on the cheap but for the price of one of those rifles just think, you could buy one Romanian SAR-1 (AK-47 clone), probably no less than 2 dozen 30 rd mags and more than a few thousand rds of ammo. Just sayin’
Yakko77 on August 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I hate planning for it to all fall apart, but these are some precarious times. In terms of the potential need to “bug out,” it’s also really important to have good maps on hand that can take you off the main roads. Every time I see one of those southern hurricane evacuation traffic jams I think, Geez, doesn’t anyone down there have a county map book of their state? We’ve got good maps — US and state — in all the cars.
Rational Thought on August 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Ahh… the slow steady decline of civilization a.k.a. the declining world of Atlas Shrugged is becoming reality, the moochers and looters are pulling it down. All in the name of “morality” we decline our entire civilization.
mattmillercr on August 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM
This won’t surprise me. After all, as I’ve said on this forum before, Obama will not have anything to save his ass from his socialist policies like FDR had with WWII. Or will he? Who knows? Maybe we’ll invade Canada. No blood for free health care!
Kafir on August 21, 2009 at 5:30 PM
For some insight into what life is like after a financial collapse, check out this blog about surviving in Argentina (which collapsed 2001):
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/
Talks about the need for arms and defense, among other things. Also consider how Argentina experienced “corrilito” — limited cash flow to prevent bank runs. That’s why setting aside cash to have on hand is a good idea.
and others who speak similarly are dead on. This is a game-changer that is only starting to unfold, and we’re in for some serious changes. You think moving into a bunker and stocking up on food is going to sustain you for years, if not decades, of economic hardship? Stocking up is definitely a good idea for other reasons, but think again about the approach taken by survivalists. Highly recommended reading to understand what’s coming and how to prepare for it:
http://www.oftwominds.com/survival-plus1.html
Geofizz on August 21, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Of course some of us have mid to high 5 figure rounds of ammo in storage already :)
Wolftech on August 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Yeah well, lots of guys like to talk about guns. They also like to talk about women and football. You got a problem with that?
OK
Sure. That’s why I have it silly. I have a Swiss Army Knife I find the need for from time to time as well.
Can’t say that I have, but then again I haven’t thought specifically about most of the thousands of situations that might require a weapon. It’s a hard thing to predict you know.
Then it’s a good thing I am too, wouldn’t you think?
Well, that would be a good outcome. I don’t want to shoot anyone if I don’t have to. But I’d rather have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have it.
That’s one reason. I mostly own guns for more frivolous purposes like defending my life, family and property.
Make Love Not War. But be prepared for both.
RadClown on August 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM
It’s just a lot more common than the 7.62 here in the States so odds are if you have to go about and find some more.. somehow.. then odds are you’ll find more of the 5.56 than the 7.62.
Still, probably just best to have the ammo you need stockpiled. I don’t care if it’s the rarest damn caliber in the world, just have enough for your needs.
I hope this is just a bunch of wild “What if..?” talk but God forbid the SHTF does in fact happen…. I’d rather be prepared.
Yakko77 on August 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM
This didn’t get answered in the other responses, here goes:
.223 and 5.56 are the same. They can both be used in an AR-15 chambered for that round. The AR-15 can also be had in other calibers. I have them in 7.62 and 9mm as well as the .223/5.56.
I also have an AK-47 type, the one’s available on the market are almost always in 7.62 caliber. It is very easy to get that ammunition in the US. My AR chambered for 7.62 fires the same ammunition as the AK I have.
As for what kind of firearm to own, that is the Ford/Chevy question. It mainly has to do with the purpose you have for it. There is no “all around” does everything gun.
Just know that if you have one, the day may come when you have to use it.
cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM
While the people are fighting the good fight, I find it hard to believe that this country will be saved in time. Continue to feel sorry for all those at Arlington Cemetery and those buried on foreign shores. They gave the ultimate to defend our way of life only to have it taken away with the stroke of a pen from our elected leaders. I don’t think that they are resting in “peace”. Hope they can forgive us for what we are allowing to happen now.
hillbilly on August 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM
308 is a more common round in the US, and the G3 is the most reliable 308.
DJ Rick on August 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Wasn’t long ago you could get a thousand rounds of 5.56 for around $100. Don’t know about where you live, but in Texas, there are at least two gun shows a month in any given area.
And once you have made the investment in reloading equipment the rest is easy. And sometimes you have to make the reloading investment. The first Desert Eagles were real picky about what would go trough them.
cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 5:43 PM
We just may have a REAL race war the DEMS keep talking about.
Jeff from WI on August 21, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Holy Sh*t that was scary.
msmveritas on August 21, 2009 at 6:30 PM
The 5.56 is the military round the army uses for the M-16, and the army has vast stores of it.
DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 6:31 PM
If there is an economic collapse before Obama leaves office then any “war” that hits the streets of this nation will generally be about survival but I’m sure the Dems and MSM will portray it as a race matter against Obama because EVERYTHINg is about Obama if you hadn’t heard..
Yakko77 on August 21, 2009 at 6:32 PM
OBAMAGEDDON…HAHAHAHAH…I Love it!
royzer on August 21, 2009 at 6:34 PM
On what kind of gun to buy: Read this for an alternative (and much less expensive) take on the AR platform.
And, if you haven’t bookmarked survivalblog.com, do so immediately, and visit every morning.
greggriffith on August 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Gentlemen, while we’re on the subject of self defence, don’t forget to train your significant others or brides in the use of those items – up to and including what can and what cannot be reloaded. It had been years since I’d fired anything so I signed up for an NRA sponsored handgun course. The classes were just about 50% women, and some were over 65.
While we’re talking about growing your own food, don’t forget sprouts. Asians have used them as a staple for thousands of years and heck, the old hippies made a science of them. Another good thing for the larder is cold pressed coconut oil. Doesn’t get rancid and lasts a very long time.
24K lady on August 21, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Excuse me, but what is this start stuff!?!
Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 6:43 PM
I will believe anything this guy says because he sounds like Larry Fine with a PhD. in economics.
29Victor on August 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM
I woke up from a dream a few months ago (after eating too late again).
In the dream, I was laying prone with a rifle. My son was next to me but still a child. He had his gun too.
We were up a riverbank, and I suspect it was the Ohio River (although it was a dream) and we were looking out across it to a city (Cincinnati?)
In my dream, we were guarding the river to shoot any people who attempted to get to our side. In the dream, I was explaining to my son why we had to fight to protect our side because our militia could not take any of them in because we had no way to afford taking care of them and they had no skills that could contribute to our tribe.
I also remember talking to him about what it was like years before when the world was not like this.
Obviously, I woke up and was quite disturbed.
Has anybody else had dreams like this that touch on the issue of the country collapsing economically?
Sapwolf on August 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM
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