Video: Obamageddon in 2012?

posted at 2:55 pm on August 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Right Scoop has Fox News’ interview with Trends Research president Gerald Celente, an economic prognosticator with a long history of prescience, in which Celente predicts an economic collapse for the US in the next few years. Despite his track record, New York Magazine pooh-poohed his predictions, calling them “pessimism porn” last February. Considering the direction of the economy since February, it seems that Celente at least has an argument:

This has been long in the making, but now it’s being accelerated, by these programs of stimulus packages, bailouts, buyouts, government takeovers. By the way, people are calling it — is it nationalism, is it socialism? The merger of state and corporate powers, according to Mussolini who knew a thing or two about it, is called fascism. So what we’re doing is we’re looking at the disintegration of the empire in terms of, “This used to be the entrepreneurial empire of the world.” And now, it’s become a place of the “too big to fails.”

Celente speaks a great deal of truth in this, but does that mean we should start building the bomb shelters, hoarding food, and stocking up on ammunition? The US has been through tougher times and not collapsed before now, although the 1930s took us in a direction that led us directly to this crisis, with government interventions and massive deficit spending on nanny-state programs. The entitlement crisis alone will create the need for a massive reckoning, as every Ponzi scheme does at the end, and thus far the US has done its best to run away from it — especially this administration.

I’m more of an optimist. The pressures Celente cites will create a push for political change, but that has much more chance of being beneficial, peaceful, and liberating, especially as the bills come due for decades of liberalism and “compassionate conservatism.” At least Celente provides a peek as to what could come if we don’t end our Hopium addiction.


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29Victor on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

On what kind of gun to buy: Read this for an alternative (and much less expensive) take on the AR platform.

And, if you haven’t bookmarked survivalblog.com, do so immediately, and visit every morning.

greggriffith on August 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Read the last paragraph first. And this:

the steps necessary to wring this performance out of the rifle will also have a deleterious effect on the reliability of the firearm.

I guess an AK-type is better than no type, just remember what you are betting on that.

I wondered what happened to these folks after perestroika.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Let me say this loud and clear, because several people have screwed this up:

.223 Remington and 5.56 NATO (AKA 5.56×45) are NOT THE SAME.

While they look almost identical, the 5.56 has thicker case walls and has much higher chamber pressures than the .223 Remington. The shape of the chambers of 5.56 and 223 rifles are different as well.

What this means is that you can easily and safely shoot the lower pressured .223 ammo in a gun chambered for 5.56, shooting 5.56 in a .223 could lead to a destroyed weapon, or worse.

Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

This is a fact. Generally speaking, each successive generation is weaker and lazier than the generation that preceded it. This is a result of the combination of parents naturally wanting their children to have it easier than they did, and the increase in technology so they don’t have to work as hard to accomplish the same thing. For pete’s sake, my kids would think we were living in the stone age if they actually had to get up and walk to the television to change channels or turn up the volume (like I did growing up).

txsurveyor on August 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Excellent point.

At age 25 my Dad was commanding a battery of two 280mm guns in Germany.

At that age, I’d have struggled just getting the f’in lawn mower working right.

Doctors, mechanics, farmers, fighters, etc. will be in demand in a world where the economy collapses and we have more transactions based on barter than using the dollar.

Sapwolf on August 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM

FYI, that video is nearly 2 months old… So if, like me, any of you were getting all weird and deja vu-ish, that’s why.

At any rate, hopefully this guy’s word gets out. People really need to wake up and see wtf is going on.

RightWinged on August 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM

What this means is that you can easily and safely shoot the lower pressured .223 ammo in a gun chambered for 5.56, shooting 5.56 in a .223 could lead to a destroyed weapon, or worse.

Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Yes, but which of these people were even considering a .223 firearm? They were all considering protection type rifles, and those are 5.56, which can take .223 just fine. Go to a gun shop instead of Wal-mart and the person behind the counter will ask if you are trying to to put that 5.56 you just picked up into a .223. I’m not sure you can even buy 5.56 at wal-mart.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Rural Michigan would be good if you have the family support structure there to produce the minimum needed to survive.

DFCtomm on August 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Been really RURAL, rural Michigan for over 50+ years. Few will find their way up this far, especially in the winter. No bugout for me. I’m already here. :-)

Went Galt many years ago, after the professional career was over. Hundred acres of hay bartered away. Thirty acres of wood lot with some bartered away. Home repairs bartered for, along with other basics. Good well water. Working out fine. :-)

Re the other main issue in this thread. Considering I have been handling and using guns for nearly 60 years, since I was 8 years old, I have had my choice of pretty much anything basic I wanted to keep and use. Those that have asked might consider the following.

Considering my location, likely approach types and directions, meat and food sources and defense necessities, I arrived at my most likely needs a long time ago. Although I have access to other firearms I have stocked for that most likely needed and used.

Although other’s needs would likely differ from mine it boils down to the often mentioned Ruger 10/22, a Mossberg 500A Home Defender 12 gauge (with slug, buckshot, various birdshot, illumination flares and animal crackers [M-80s]. Note: show me another firearm with that versatility) and a Kimber 1911. Don’t see I need much more than that.

Good luck getting rural enough in Michigan. There is lots of room.

Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM

shaken on August 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM

If militias form during Obamageddon, you can count on rigs being hijacked and the driver pressed into militia service due to the high-value cargo and the driver’s experience with the rig.

That gal on “Ice-Road Truckers” would make a dynamite addition to the tribe.

Lisa – The sturdy Palinesque beauty

:)

Sapwolf on August 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Not necessary, but a couple more .22′s are always good. An accurate pistol and a single shot bolt action that can handle LR, subsonic shorts and rat shot.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 8:05 PM

cosmo, not every AR-type rifle or their contemporaries shoots both .223 and 5.56.

DPMS, for example, makes both .223 and 5.56 rifles as separate product lines, and Remington’s version of the AR is .223 only. Ruger’s Mini-14 is also popular for defensive use, and it is .223.

Need I go on?

Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Gotta give some love to my first and still favorite rifle. A Mosin-Nagant 91/30 is a great way to get started. They are high powered (7.62x54R), accurate as heck, and can take a beating. The best part is you can easily still find them around $80- I’d take a dozen Mosin’s over an AR any day. Combloc surplus ammo is plentiful and cheap as well.

Oh yeah, plus it’s 4 ft long and comes w/ an 18″ bayonet. How frickin’ sweet is that?

buckeye2k8 on August 21, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Need I go on?

Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 8:05 PM

No, but in the context of the thread, the question was about an either or rifle. Why reduce the the choices? Those are nice rifles, especially the mini-14. But the caliber only has two basic uses, and since the 80′s the popular rifles in that caliber have been the AR family which in almost all cases accepts the 5.56.

Choose a .223 rifle and you limit your availabilities.

Though I must admit to a bias, the only AR I have that isn’t Colt is the CAR I built with a lower receiver that was given to me.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Not necessary, but a couple more .22’s are always good. An accurate pistol and a single shot bolt action that can handle LR, subsonic shorts and rat shot.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Been using the subsonics in the 10/22 for about 3 years now. Red squirrel infestation needed attention. Has never failed to cycle the action. Very little noise. Love the stuff.

Also laid in some Aguila .22 LR “Sniper” rounds. Dirty ammo, but amazing terminal “results”. The twist in the Ruger seems to be able to stabilize the heavier bullet fairly well.

It does help that I have a 50, 100 and 200 yard shooting range in my backyard. Able to test all this neat stuff.

Been buying bricks of .22 for 15 years and putting it away in vacumn packing. Now buying 100 round bricks of 12 gauge on sale at Wall-Mart. Good trading material for barter.

Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 8:57 PM

It does help that I have a 50, 100 and 200 yard shooting range in my backyard. Able to test all this neat stuff.

Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 8:57 PM

That it does, but alas I no longer have my Oklahoma retreat.

Never had a problem with squirrels, but pigeons…

I stopped hoarding ammo about 15 years ago. marriage and family and something else did that. But I haven’t run out…yet.

Never experimented much with .22 ammo. Found what works best for my auto-loaders and use the single shot for the odd rounds.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Never experimented much with .22 ammo. Found what works best for my auto-loaders and use the single shot for the odd rounds.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 9:23 PM

If you can find some of these give them a try. I think I got mine at Cabela’s. Read down in the comments to see that someone else discovered that their 10/22 stabilized this bullet also, while others have had lots of trouble with tumbling and keyholing.. The 60 grain .22 bullet really does a job. Remarkable penetration. They were actually developed for quiet sniping in the jungle, through suppressors.

http://carteach0.blogspot.com/2009/01/aguila-22-sniper-subsonic-60-grain.html

Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM

At least Celente provides a peek as to what could come if we don’t end our Hopium addiction.

Who’s WE paleface?

Big John on August 21, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Let me say this loud and clear, because several people have screwed this up:
.223 Remington and 5.56 NATO (AKA 5.56×45) are NOT THE SAME.
While they look almost identical, the 5.56 has thicker case walls and has much higher chamber pressures than the .223 Remington. The shape of the chambers of 5.56 and 223 rifles are different as well.
What this means is that you can easily and safely shoot the lower pressured .223 ammo in a gun chambered for 5.56, shooting 5.56 in a .223 could lead to a destroyed weapon, or worse.
Bob Owens on August 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Tell the truth, you just made all that up.
:)

ItHurts2Pee on August 21, 2009 at 10:17 PM

The 60 grain .22 bullet really does a job. Remarkable penetration. They were actually developed for quiet sniping in the jungle, through suppressors.

Yoop on August 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I’ll have to give them a try.

In all of the “what gun would you have at the end of the world” discussions, almost everybody leaves out the ubiquitous .22. Just about the most useful caliber to have after civilization falls. And there are so many different one’s available, for a good price.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM

The Ronin Edge on August 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Yes, but who seriously believes the world is going to go “Road Warrior”. It will be more along the lines of the LA riots or Katrina. If civilization falls we’re all screwed.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Chainsaw56 on August 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Thanks. Sorry about being so late to thank you, just got home after being out for awhile.

cjs1943 on August 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I hate to throw some cold water on the gun pr0n (really; that’s one of the things I miss most from Kim Du Toit closing down), but this guy’s hardly spotless when it comes to prognosticating. He was predicting we’d lose in Iraq in ’06 and ’07. Not “face setbacks,” not “have a tough slog where most people want to throw in the towel,” but outright lose. Between that and his calling this “the collapse of the American empire,” which is ridiculous on its face (we’re not an empire, period-stop-dot), I don’t have a lot of trust in what the guy says.

We’re still free actors, and that renders any attempt at seriously predicting the future pretty much useless. Particularly given the chaotic nature of the Union right now – as bad as we got it though, pretty much everybody else has it worse. Look at the economic news coming out of Europe, Asia, and especially Africa (sorry, “China West” I suppose we should call it now) and you come to the gobsmacking conclusion that while The Won is leading us to ruin – at least he and his ilk haven’t been doing it nonstop since 1968.

I’ll acknowledge that “Be Prepared” isn’t just for the Scouts. But all this hullaballoo about arming up and retiring to be a farmer and whatnot is far too early, unless like Yooper claims you’ve been a farmer before. This isn’t analogous to the 1860s; it’s maybe the 1850s. Early 1850s, at that.

Blacksmith on August 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM

The Ronin Edge on August 21, 2009 at 11:02 PM

I don’t disagree with any of that. And would be among the first to run. Your home is not the Alamo.

I already mentioned the value of the .22.

During the LA riots, the businesses that made it through okay were the ones with Korean business owners on the roofs with weapons. They made the cost higher than the reward. Just like in any similar situation.

cozmo on August 21, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Ironically, what is likely to cause the collapse will be the Republicans taking back the House in 2010. They will slow Obama’s spending plans and that will push the economy over the edge into a deflationary spiral. Inflation is not a risk until after asset prices become cheap.

Bill C on August 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM

The Ronin Edge on August 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM

We’re really having two different discussions here. I agree with what you’re saying regarding the survival scenario, but that’s not my primary concern, and your right I don’t need an AR for that. I would probably go .22 for small game and a .30-06 for deer, and that would be that. It’s the task that comes after I have secured all that I care for someplace safe that I would consider the AR a necessity, and I think it is the 1860s.

DFCtomm on August 22, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Unless you are going to spend some time at a target range it is my understanding a shotgun would be the best option.

davod on August 22, 2009 at 6:48 AM

Speaking of prognosticating accuracy, Glen Beck, the left’s favorite “clown” seems to have sounded the economic alarm years ago -before coming to Fox News.

I’d rather have a genius who acts like a clown (Beck) than a clown who acts like a genius (obama)any day.

Don L on August 22, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Folks, This is Obama’s wet dream. No one would do what he’s doing from a monetary standpoint if they wanted prosperity.

marklmail on August 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM

For a better understanding of the nation’s precarious financial situation, complete with the numbers and the players, I recommend everyone follow Denninger’s blog. He was one that predicted the housing bust, and has alot to say about the cost to economic recovery that carrying excessive debt is having. If you care about this stuff, he is a must-read.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

shuzilla on August 22, 2009 at 10:57 AM

The Ronin Edge on August 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Edge makes some good points. I would only add that mindset would be the biggest factor. An inexperienced insurance salesman with the best weapon in the world won’t last long unless he has either degenerated into a POS street thug, or has the mental and emotional capability of a combat vet. Combat vets have to keep their tempers in check because they know what they could do in a bad situation. It isn’t a fun situation.

Star20 on August 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM

My view is 2010 will bring out record numbers of voters that will turn the tide back to the conservative base.

We have seen now as a nation what apathy gets you, the lowest common denominator. We cannot afford to let our guard down ever again.

Once Congress is back on track, (at least out of the hands of the socialists) Obama will be neutered politically and becomes a lame duck. He is through and we, and the World will be better for it.

We need a leader like Romney that understands business and incentives for small business, not eternal taxation.

Business is there, waiting, they only need to know they have a government that rewards success and encourages profit.

I can’t wait.

FireBlogger on August 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Another option to solve this would be to elect a financial genius like Mitt Romney to clean things up. Fixing broken enterprises was his job for 30 years before he entered politics.

Sadly it seems like we’re too busy fighting over a PTA mom and a bass guitar player both with no business experience to realize what’s right in front of us.

scotash on August 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Ok, thought I’d share this with you guys…

The other night I had what has to be the most horrifying nightmare I have ever had. In this dream I saw a few US cities bombed by an alliance of Russia and China, this was bad, what was worse was a few hours later seeing our Obama in Chief on national tlevision announcing he had signed an unconditional surrender of the US “In order to spare as many lives as possible”. He was very reassuring however when he gave the news that Russia and China had aggreed to allow him to stay on indefinitely as Premiere of the New Socialist STates of Amerika in order to make the transition as smooth and painless as possible…

I’ve been thinking about that all week…seems almost plausible huh?

BadMojo on August 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I have a negative impression of that Celente guy.

I don’t know why.

Spathi on August 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Celente has an uncanny track record but he has made a couple bad bets. But as far as his prediction for Obamageddon is concerned he is probably spot on. One thing he didn’t mention in that interview is how the H1N1 swine flu CONTINUES to spread despite the most state of the art remedies that the whole world has implemented.

The WHO and the CDC have been very good about managing anxiety, but the fact remains that the virus continues to kill people across the world despite their very best efforts. Even the most optimistic extrapolation of the pandemic over the next YEAR includes dramatic rationing of limited vaccines. There’s little doubt now that Swine Flu’s economic impact will outpace even the most optimistic recovery projections.

And all that is over the next YEAR… experts have been careful not to extrapolate anything over the next THREE years. And we’re talking about a virus that the W.H.O. first insisted was contained in Mexico, then was “isolated” in England, and is now killing people pretty much everywhere. And everyone has been careful not to discuss anything about our capacity (or lack thereof) of producing sufficient vaccines.

Khorum on August 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM

No Moe Bills!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdFV1fR0T8

izoneguy on August 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM

There is one of two things going on here. 1. Obama is a moron and doesn’t know what he is doing and thus destroying the country. 2. Obama knows exactly what he is doing and is deliberately destroying the country that has come to despise.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I have a negative impression of that Celente guy.

I don’t know why.

Spathi on August 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Maybe it’s because he is right most of the time. Stop listening to these Mockingbirds in the CIA called the corporate media, listen to REAL talk radio (and Limbaugh and Beck do not count_ and START GETTING YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gTeAYOAkB4&feature=sub

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFaJEPzl9kk&feature=sub

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG62qgMNsiQ&feature=sub

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpFsuLZaCY&feature=channel_page

This is an interview between Celente and radio talker Jeff Rense

Rense is one talker WHO IS NOT BOUGHT AND SOLD BY CORPORATE INTERESTS.

BobAnthony on August 22, 2009 at 3:28 PM

No one has considered what would happen if all the liberals suddenly became ZOMBIES WHO CAME FOR THE FLESH OF THE PRODUCERS!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, wait…….

victor82 on August 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM

On the plus side, I can’t see anyone on the Left plausibly pulling off a Julius, Octavian, or even an Antony.

18-1 on August 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM

My view is 2010 will bring out record numbers of voters that will turn the tide back to the conservative base.

We have seen now as a nation what apathy gets you, the lowest common denominator. We cannot afford to let our guard down ever again.

Once Congress is back on track, (at least out of the hands of the socialists) Obama will be neutered politically and becomes a lame duck. He is through and we, and the World will be better for it.

FireBlogger on August 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Actually, my biggest concern is that the Republicans get a technical victory in the congress in that they nominally control one or both houses but the power remains in the hands of a bunch of “moderates” who temper Obama’s initiatives, but do not stop them.

In a sense we’ve been lucky that Obama is the clueless neophyte we thought he was. A more experienced fascist would be pushing his agenda slowly and steadily instead of trying to do everything at once, and ham handly at that…

18-1 on August 22, 2009 at 8:21 PM

What freaks me out about all of this is that last year, back in Aug/Sept I kept having these vivid dreams about economic fail and major depression in the US. I had these dreams over and over for weeks. My hubby talked me into writing them down in a diary-type form. If Gerald is right, and Lord help us if he is, I have some pretty scary diaries if anyone wants to make a horror film.

di butler on August 22, 2009 at 8:23 PM

It’s really simple folks – PLAN for the WORST and HOPE for the BEST

If enough cool heads remain cool in the face of adversity we might still weather this storm – but I aint betting anything I can’t afford to lose on it………….

Katfish on August 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The .223 vs 5.56 argument is as dumb as it is pointless.

I shoot thousands of rounds of each every year and it makes no difference, and will not hurt your rifle. There may have been a time years ago that this mattered, but not any more.

quax1 on August 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Rense is one talker WHO IS NOT BOUGHT AND SOLD BY CORPORATE INTERESTS.

BobAnthony on August 22, 2009 at 3:28 PM

What are you smokin’ Bob. A long haired, hemp smoking holocaust denier?

My late friend Sgt. L was a member of a black company that liberated one of the big death camps. He’d beat this hippy into a bloody pulp if he tried to push that crap around him.

If we need militias in our future then racist bastards will STFU or be shot. As the Good Book says, you have to drive the evil out of the camp.

rcl on August 22, 2009 at 10:59 PM

The .223 vs 5.56 argument is as dumb as it is pointless.

Yeah, pointless. You want a .308. Better impact, better ballistics and plentiful.

5.56 is a house to house weapon.

A militia round should function at many ranges. The .308 is a great flat shooting round. A North American guerrilla round has to take down game as well as the enemy. A good shot with a .308 will take down any North American game animal or livestock. Hunters can argue 30-06, .300 Weatherby or .280 Remington but for cost, availablity and performance the Nato 7.62 can’t be beat.

rcl on August 22, 2009 at 11:19 PM

I’ve looked through the Spring 2009 issue of Celente’s Trends Journal. Most of the “journal” seems to be an excited, indignant rant in which recent events are recounted at length. What little prediction I found seemed too vague to be testable or to serve very well as grounds for action. Celente seems much like Obama; he’s talkative and self-confident, but he seems to understand things only well enough to make conversation. I imagine he’s the life of the party, as long as the partygoers are feeling happy and indulgent; however, he’s not someone I think will improve my understanding.

Kralizec on August 22, 2009 at 11:39 PM

What are you smokin’ Bob. A long haired, hemp smoking holocaust denier?

My late friend Sgt. L was a member of a black company that liberated one of the big death camps. He’d beat this hippy into a bloody pulp if he tried to push that crap around him.

If we need militias in our future then racist bastards will STFU or be shot. As the Good Book says, you have to drive the evil out of the camp.

rcl on August 22, 2009 at 10:59 PM

For starters neocon I don’t smoke ANYTHING! Ever hear of Oathkeepers? Guess not. These are people in the police and military who will NEVER EVER accept any illegal orders from an illegal administration. With Obama’s constant violations of the Constitution (oh there’s THAT WORD AGAIN), it’s getting more and more obvious that our republic is being destroyed for the purpose of a one-world government. And DUBYA violated the Constitution as well even going so far as to call it a “**** piece of paper!”

By the way, it’s not that I do not support the police I do. But it’s just those rogue cops who look like fat mental retards that stop people from getting to funerals or the hospital that deeply concern me.

And in terms of militias you need to read up on things by Dr. Edwin Vieria, who knows things about the Constitution (well since I mentioned that word twice I guess I am a radical!) just as much as Judge Napolitano. You can see about militias at Committees of Safety.

BobAnthony on August 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM

Bob,

You don’t have what it takes to lead men Bob. I addressed you by name. I smacked a little with a weak colloquial phrase. You respond labeling me without cause. All your bluster doesn’t hide the fact you did not respond to my pointing out your guy Rense is a holocaust denying whacko.

Your man Vieira claims four degrees from Harvard. Anyone that accomplished should have the resources to post a better website than this. Besides, he’s a birther for God’s sakes.

Calm down. I know, he may have been born in Kenya. So what’s the remedy? Rational constitutional lawyers then proceed to note the Constitution makes no mention of consequence in such a case. At this point the Legislature would have to proceed with impeachment. What’s the chance of that?

Move on. Ah, that’s the problem. Folks like you and Vieira, both right & left cannot contain their righteous indignation. Their emotions run away with them. In that state you cannot forge a partnership with anyone but similar “true believers”.

rcl on August 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM

I do believe we’ll see the death of a few malls. Good interview and scary.

Mojave Mark on August 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM

rcl on August 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM

The only points you got right were your choices for weapons and ammo…
You should keep to those…

jerrytbg on August 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM

This is what I’ve been saying for over a year.

modifiedcontent on August 23, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Mossberg 500 to keep the house safe. It’s why I bought it. One shotgun per floor, so 3 total. I taught my son how to shoot and maintain them when he was 13 (15 now). He knows as much about them as I do at this point – but he’s a much better shot than the old man.

A 30O6 to hunt anything – best rifle investment I could justify, and the obligatory varmit poofing 22s. .40 and .45 sidearms for quick encounters if need be. Seriously, am I missing anything that I should consider?

NumberTwo on August 23, 2009 at 8:39 PM

“… stocking up on ammunition?”

Wouldn’t hurt.

argos on August 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM

On the plus side, I can’t see anyone on the Left plausibly pulling off a Julius, Octavian, or even an Antony.

18-1 on August 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Of course not. Although the Liberals readily identify with the Grachii brothers and Octavian with their opportunistic populism, they routinely overlook how their Roman heroes eventually proved to be Tyrants. Practically all contemporary Roman historians (and even novelists) celebrate and deify Caesar for his “social” benevolence while demonizing the genuine heroes of Roman Republicanism like Cato and Cicero.

Hell, HBO’s Rome miniseries portrayed Cicero as a spineless fraud and miscast Cato as a simpering, thoughtless hatemonger instead of being the one Roman philosopher-statesman that all of the American forefathers most cherished and emulated. George Washington and Jefferson often paraphrased Cato in their letters.

Khorum on August 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM

The Ronin Edge on August 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Pardon the pun, but this is dead on. As a SO vet with extensive recon traning, sneak & peek is the rule of thumb. SOP at all times was contact with hostile elements was deemed mission compromised. Response was call for fire and bug-out ASAP.

In a survival situation as seems to be the convo here contact with superior forces is idiotic. The trained professionals of my day a 6-10 man team would wreak havoc on any 50-100 hodge-podge militia outfit. Key words are “call for fire.”

The best an urbanite could hope for is to stealthily make it to some hinterlands, and then pray someone takes pity on you. Most likely you’d either be shot on sight or driven away. Rural America consists of tight knit communities and outsiders who are not kin can expect a cold reception.

I am in the heart of the beast (Chicago loop), but originally a bare-foot mountain boy from the northwest. I have no illusions on my chances of making it out unless I move-out before TSHTF! Just the way it is.

Archimedes on August 24, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Sorry that should read…

The trained professionals of my day a 6-10 man team would wreak havoc on any 50-100 hodge-podge militia outfit. Key words are “call for fire.” And techno wonders of today make any modern team many times more effective than then.

Archimedes on August 25, 2009 at 12:00 AM

There won’t be political change as much as political disintegration and blowback as politicians scramble to retire because they aren’t smart enough to ‘fix it’. I hear Panama is a nice place to live now.

kens on August 25, 2009 at 9:24 AM

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