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Video: Is Obama’s loss Wall Street’s gain?

posted at 12:15 pm on August 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Sharp investors always look for leading indicators to market shifts, and Jim Cramer thinks he’s found a doozy. After watching this segment, it’s hard to disagree, too. Watch as Cramer overlays his newfound market predictor over S&P 500 performance over the last few weeks, and see if you see the same correlation:

Cramer has identified a correlation in the market that can be tracked quite reliably from the March low. What is it? Obama’s disapproval rating. How closely does Obama’s disapproval rate align with the actual market? If you take a close look, Cramer points out that the charts are practically identical, with disapproval for the President rising in tandem with the market’s huge run from the big March bottom. Coincidence? Cramer doesn’t think so.

The President’s agenda had investors worried about many parts of the market, but as the President becomes less popular – and correspondingly less powerful – the threat to those industries has waned and the entire market has rallied, says Cramer.

If some of Obama’s plans don’t work out – plans which much of Wall Street considers to be bad for business – such as card check, forced arbitration for unions, cap-and-trade and health care reform… As more people disapprove of the President,there’s nothing to be scared of, says Cramer.

Well, let’s hope so. Strictly speaking, Obama and the Democrats in Congress can spend all of their political capital in 2009-10 passing these monstrosities and then blithely accept defeat in the midterms as a good trade-off. That’s unlikely, though, as nothing motivates a politician more than keeping his seat in Congress.

That certainly would explain the summer rallies. They hit their stride at about the same time, roughly, as when the CBO began scoring ObamaCare. The rapid loss of support for health-care reform and loss of confidence in Obama’s economic mastery may have indicated to Wall Street that Obama had reached the functional limit of his power. America has spoken loudly that they do not want radical change, and that may have emboldened some investors to get in early and ahead of the curve.

If Cramer’s right, where would investors go? Cramer suggests health care and gold, but the energy sector might be a decent bet for folks willing to make a gamble.

Update: Yes, I know correlation is not causation, but correlation is at least intriguing.  The real problem with this is that Obama’s negatives will eventually top out at some point.  Even if this is linked, it will eventually de-link.  The usefulness of this indicator may already be over for investment purposes — but it’s certainly interesting in the political sense.


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facepalm

Though I do think it has been shown that the market goes up when any presidents approval goes down.

jhffmn on August 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM

When Obama took office the stock market was lower than it is today

liberal4eva on August 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM

So was unemployment. So was the national debt.

MB4 on August 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM

When Obama took office the stock market was lower than it is today

liberal4eva on August 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM

So was the antipathy directed towards the American people by their elected official.

Also, Cramer is an idiot. The stock market vs. approval is silly.

jhffmn on August 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM

What hyper-inflation hedge do you recommend Ed? Kramer?
Buffett is concerned and said so in his Op-Ed to the NYT. He said not one peep about Obamacare, a deafeningly silent vote of no-confidence.

Mark30339 on August 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM

More of Obama’s change:

Average cost for a gallon of regular gas:

02/09/09 $1.90
08/17/09 $2.637

Source: API (American Petroleum Institute)

viking01 on August 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM

I also like to point out that last year was warmer than this year. He fixed global warming. No cap-and tax program is needed.

WashJeff on August 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Consider yourself peer reviewed. We have a consenus of two.

myrenovations on August 21, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Make it 3.

I’ve lost 20 lbs since he took office. I’m much healthier so health care is now solved. No Obamacare needed.

Monica on August 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I don’t care if it a scientific correlation or not; the segment is hilarious! And, at the core, true at this time. Thanks for posting this.

I thought Cramer was beaten into media submission earlier this year; nice to see him back in rare form!

Mutnodjmet on August 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Come on, people, invest in the stock market and disapprove of Obama at the same time (if you haven’t already), and we’ll all be rich!

Christian Conservative on August 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Can you imagine what the market would do if Obama abandoned his health plan takeover and repealed the stimulus? Man, oh, man, I could retire!

But he won’t do it because ideology is more important to him than results.

PattyJ on August 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

WTF??

I have a Masters degree in statistics and when I look at Cramer’s chart, all I see is junk science. I could get at least as good correlation by correlating the stock market with the New York Yankee’s winning percentage. Yo Cramer, give us the autocorrelation values and the p-value associated with each autocorrelation if you want any credibility with ME.

What a load of crock and I say that as a Bambi critic.

PackerBronco on August 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Cramer forgets that it’s not Obama who’s in charge of scripting and passing the bill – it’s Congress. And there we have pure chaos that cannot be reasonably sifted through in the House, and a Senate that’s practically salivating at the chance to run the ship of state onto the rocks. Congressional approval ratings are at historic lows, and going lower is almost impossible – they’re cornered rats and they know it.

Yes, ObamaCare is getting battered. No, it has not been staked through the heart yet. Until that happens, Cramer’s playing with fire, and most investors aren’t ready for taking on that much risk yet.

Blacksmith on August 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Yo Cramer, give us the autocorrelation values and the p-value associated with each autocorrelation if you want any credibility with ME.

What a load of crock and I say that as a Bambi critic.

PackerBronco on August 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Heh. “But PackerBronco – all those integrals are hard!” Guess what, Cramer? That’s why you get paid the big bucks.

Blacksmith on August 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

More of Obama’s change:

Average cost for a gallon of regular gas:

02/09/09 $1.90
08/17/09 $2.637

Source: API (American Petroleum Institute)

viking01 on August 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Summer gas vs winter gas, I’m afraid. A better comparison would be last late-August gas to right now (which, anecdotally, I’m paying a few dimes more per gallon now than I did a year ago. So glad that even the Senate isn’t dumb enough to draw the cap’n'trade knife across our throats)

Blacksmith on August 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I am no economist but things didn’t seem to move until we knew cap and trade was in trouble. I think the reason why the stock market has some momentum is because Obama and the Dems are retreating. If healthcare dies we might have a boom.

cubbieblue25 on August 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Price of crude oil nears $75 (USD). Is it demand? With a shrinking GDP? Or has GDP growth turned positive? Or is it inflation; stock prices, commodities going up because of all those trillions of US Dollars sloshing around the globe looking for a place to land? Gold $955 (USD)

Skandia Recluse on August 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Price of crude oil nears $75 (USD). Is it demand? With a shrinking GDP? Or has GDP growth turned positive? Or is it inflation; stock prices, commodities going up because of all those trillions of US Dollars sloshing around the globe looking for a place to land? Gold $955 (USD)

Skandia Recluse on August 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

You are correct. Oil is priced in dollars, and dollars are falling.

Vashta.Nerada on August 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Price of crude oil nears $75 (USD). Is it demand? With a shrinking GDP? Or has GDP growth turned positive? Or is it inflation; stock prices, commodities going up because of all those trillions of US Dollars sloshing around the globe looking for a place to land? Gold $955 (USD)

Skandia Recluse on August 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

You hit the nail on the head. The surge in global stocks and commodities is mostly an effect of the massive amount of printed and government lent money sloshing around. The Shanghai exchange dropped 17% when the government announced it was going to start reducing the extraordinary amount of government backed loans Beijing forced into the economy.

There may also be a touch of the “irrational exuberance” as well. Traders tend to bounce between “it’s the end of the world” and “happy times are here forever” which is one of the many reasons that the stock market is not a terribly great economics gauge.

jarodea on August 21, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Very entertaining. So I’m not the only one in the country to understand his policies are destroying our economy.

How long before his worshipers claim that these disapproval rates are all part of his great plan to restart the ecomomy?

Browncoatone on August 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Correlation does not imply Causation.

Beltway Bandit on August 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Tell that to Al Gore and Jim Hansen.

Fighton03 on August 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Actually, he’s a little late on the trend. The markets began dropping last may as Obie sewed up the donkeycrat nomination. As teh one gain popularity the markets fell, when Palin/McCain made the comeback it went up. Right up until the MSM went completely in the tank and the market tanked. That would be about sep.

Once again, not proven causation, but a really curious correllation.

Fighton03 on August 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Skandia Recluse on August 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

The dollars aren’t sloshing around. Most of the money you think has been spent has not been used at all but it is functioning as reserves for financial institutions. If the money had been spent you would see inflation but there is little evidence of inflation. The USD has not collapsed… the latest forecasting sees it doing ok. Also, the markets are likely going to have to adjust to reality. Inside trades are very high which is good indicator that prices are too high.

lexhamfox on August 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I really didn’t understand the big deal about this Anti-Obama vs Higher Stock comparison. Democrats have never really been good for business, except during a large scope war.
Democrats will always retard business, profits and employment because that’s the nature of a Democrat. Some Democrats are easier than others. Take Clinton, his overall effect wasn’t much because his Presidency was one big Disney world ride and the only thing he tried to get done he accomplished with a Blue Dress

Jeff from WI on August 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM

The reason for the stock market rallying is because of the mountains of liquidity in the system combined with very low interest rates.

Where else other than treasuries can you put it?

Sapwolf on August 21, 2009 at 6:06 PM

If Cramer’s right(?)

His track record is pretty poor.

Bill Blizzard on August 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM

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