Poll: Romney least favorite Republican candidate among Birthers
posted at 8:30 pm on August 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
Dumb yet fascinating. Obama’s birth certificate won’t be an issue in the primaries (let’s hope) so how the big three rank is unimportant — unless Birtherism is actually a proxy for other political dynamics, in which case this becomes an interesting little data point. But if it’s a proxy, what’s it a proxy for? Level of education? Regional identification? Something else? My hunch is that the further right you go, the more Birther-y you get, not because you’re any more credulous on the merits of the birth-certificate argument but because the more adamant your opposition to Obama’s agenda, the more desperately you want him out of office. PPP comes to a similar conclusion:
Not surprisingly only 16% of [Birthers] approve of Obama’s job performance while 75% disapprove. I think Mike Littwin might have hit on a pretty good point in the Denver Post today, which is that some of the people who purport to be birthers might not really believe it but that it’s shorthand for their general unhappiness with the President.
Romney’s favorability among the group tops out at just 43 percent compared to 57 percent approval among non-Birthers. That’s the biggest spread of any of the four candidates mentioned in the poll (Mitt, Huck, Palin, Gingrich), and big enough that PPP declares, “I mean this with all sincerity — Romney’s lack of popularity with the birther wing of the GOP really could scuttle his chances at the nomination in three years.” Sounds nutty, but if Birthers are a proxy for “true conservatives” — i.e. southern, populist, fiscally and socially conservative — then yeah, he’s got problems. In fact, Huckabee and Palin outpoll him among Birthers and non-Birthers alike.
For the record, and further to my theory, the ideological split among Birthers is 69 percent conservative and 30 percent moderate versus 46/53 among non-Birthers. Oh, and as for who tops the field among Birthers: Guess. Exit stat: “63% of all Americans with a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin are birthers. Same thing with 53% of those who like Gingrich, 50% who view Huckabee positively, and 44% for Romney.”
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They’re polling birthers now?
Who are these idiots?
Knucklehead on August 21, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Allah, you must have had a bad day at the tollbooth.
Percy_Peabody on August 21, 2009 at 8:33 PM
They are probably not into “nuance”
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Pick any two of the four. He still fails.
Chris_Balsz on August 21, 2009 at 8:33 PM
You just guaranteed that CNN is going to bring it up.
And 16% of birthers have a favorable rating of President Obama?
BadgerHawk on August 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM
(I wish birthers would just let. go.)
Mommypundit on August 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Dumb…
d1carter on August 21, 2009 at 8:35 PM
One thing is apparent from this article. Keeping a blog going non stop is hard work. Polling knucklehead birthers and then reporting on it. Fascinating.
kahall on August 21, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Allah…….
…….. it’s Friday night. Why do you torture yourself like this?
A ‘Birther’s poll’?
Seven Percent Solution on August 21, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Mitt is saddled with RomneyCare – I’m afraid he’s finished.
Cinday Blackburn on August 21, 2009 at 8:36 PM
I swear to Swannee, how in the world do they have a poll of birthers when the vast majority of us are sitting around our phones waiting for the call?
Cindy Munford on August 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM
birther….isn’t that a midwife, or am i confused……
SHARPTOOTH on August 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM
So, uh…..16% of Birthers support Obama? I’m having trouble believing that.
amerpundit on August 21, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Don’t forget he is the least favorite Republican among gun owners.
jdun on August 21, 2009 at 8:38 PM
If things keep going to the way they are – I could run for POTUS and get elected as a better alternative to Obama.
Still think they aren’t polling the nominee on our side. I don’t think it’s going to be Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty. Palin a long shot but maybe
gophergirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Were truthers ever a demographic?
Cindy Munford on August 21, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Well I’m surprised. How does one doubt the legality of the President and still approve?
Guardian on August 21, 2009 at 8:40 PM
I’m sure some of you are dying to explain this to me. What’s a “birther”?
DrStock on August 21, 2009 at 8:40 PM
The “exit stat” is very depressing.
DaveS on August 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM
idiocy
rob verdi on August 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM
If birthers are the fringe right then why would 16% approve of Obama?
farright on August 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM
That would tend to raise the credibility flag with any reasonable blogger. Allah, not so much.
Ronnie on August 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM
+1000. I heard on Romney’s birth certificate, in the spot for religion, it lists RINO. FACT.
LastRick on August 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Those that still hold on to the hope that Bambi wasn’t born in the US, and even if he wasn’t, that it would make a difference at this point.
Geronimo on August 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Maybe Jerome Corsi should run for President with Bill Cunningham as his VP. Sometimes I wonder if our fringe is more pathetic than the Kos Kidz.
AYNBLAND on August 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Because Allah says so.
Ronnie on August 21, 2009 at 8:43 PM
So, people from his own party are starting to doubt him. hmmm
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Wrong. As you move from the squishy center, right, you run into people who adhere to the Constitutional structure that forms the foundation of this nation, and with them you run into the obvious Constitutional problem that dual citizens are not natural born citizens. It is, after all, quite obvious that the Founders had no intention of including dual-citizens as natural born citizens, since the Founders refused to recognize American dual citizenship, to start with. But … somehow, people can convince themselves that this isn’t the case. I have no idea how you reckon that, but as you try to make fun of those of us who clearly understand what the Constitutional phrasing means, you sound like The Precedent in his pathetic attempt to mock conservatives and explain to everyone that “spending is stimulus … what do you think stimulus is?”
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Long live the birthers! Anyone who dislikes the president no matter how kooky they are, is my friend!
He obviously conducted this poll to smear Palin….
———————————————–
Report Reveals CIA Conducted Mock Executions
http://www.newsweek.com/id/213188/output/print
Interesting tidbit
TimeTraveler on August 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM
The only time ive heard of birthers is here.But yet the truther party(35% of dems think bush had something to do with it,25%”arent sure” = 60 % fucktards) gets no play.whats up with that?
theTarCzar on August 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM
To know him is to doubt him.
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM
C4P has this headline up:
DNC Controlled Public Policy Polling Conducts Survey to Smear Palin as a “Birther”
I don’t know if the DNC controls PPP, but the president, Dean Dabnam, is a Dem donor and does Dem polling.
INC on August 21, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Enjoy……
Seven Percent Solution on August 21, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Tom DeLay, in an interview with Chris Matthews yesterday, said he wants to see a birth certificate.
cubachi on August 21, 2009 at 8:46 PM
How in the heck did they know who to poll as “birthers”? Is there some sort of sign-up list?
txag92 on August 21, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Please tell me how they went about getting a sample of birthers and how large said sample was. Then, tell me why I should give a flying sh*t what they think. What percentage of likely voters for the GOP side are birthers?
bighead4 on August 21, 2009 at 8:47 PM
This is so fucking embarrassing. Anyone who admits to being a birther should be booted from the party. I almost hate this more than the split among believers in evolution vs creation.
jimmy the notable on August 21, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Well, his father did try to run for the presidency as an Obama-like ineligible usurper. Maybe that is the key.
Buddahpundit on August 21, 2009 at 8:48 PM
err err
clement on August 21, 2009 at 8:48 PM
The Birthers need to just keep it to themselves. They are embarrassing.
marmaran on August 21, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Yes. RINO.
Khorum on August 21, 2009 at 8:48 PM
yeah really how do they poll “birthers’…and why havent they polled”truthers”(1 out of 3 dems,at least) wtf is up with that?
theTarCzar on August 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM
No one talks about it more than Allah.
Ronnie on August 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Of course it is those damn southern social cons. If not for them Romney would be a lock for the nomination. Allah I am curious who do you support within the GOP? Anyone? Or perhaps you are just so damn pessimistic that you are unable to support anyone. I suggest you scrap together some cash and hire a streetwalker. I think it would do wonders for your attitude. Life is not as bad as you seem to make it out to be. Go buy some and enjoy. Life is to short.
chief on August 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Poll Question: So are you one of those redneck, nazi, racist people that believe that president Obama wasn’t born on U.S. soil.
Answer: Hell yah!
farright on August 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Did y’all hear Rush’s comment about today being Hawaii’s anniversary of statehood. Paraphrasing–Hawaii has been a state for 50 years except for one day in 1961 when it became the country of Kenya. I laughed.
I’m not a birther, but I would like to see the certificate to see what all the mystery is about (why he won’t show it). Must be quite controversial.
bestwins on August 21, 2009 at 8:51 PM
People who don’t have a clue about the Constitution are embarrassing. The Vichy Right are embarrassing.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Well aren’t you a little ray of sunshine
gophergirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM
We have yet to see if McCain will run again.
Nightmares of nightmares.
As we near 2012, and if elections are still legal and it looks as if Obama could lose, I expect to see the media do some encouraging match ups between McCain and Obama. McCain will again become, according to the media, the Pubs only hope!
JellyToast on August 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM
MSNBC and HOTAIR can be counted on it.I sure dont hear about it much anywhere else.and yeah i listen to evil,neanderthal talk radio.
theTarCzar on August 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM
The tooth fairy gave it to the pollster.
Joke aside Mitt can’t win all of the Southern States. If he lost one he will lose the election.
There is a deep hatred of him in the South and gun owning states.
The only way I can see Obama winning in the next election is his willingness to embrace gun ownership and run against an anti-gun Republican candidate like Mitt.
jdun on August 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM
This is so f*cking stupid. If you’re a birther, stop it. Its detrimental to the party and the country. Find political reasons to oppose Obama. Forget this crap. This is almost more embarassing than the Evolution/Creation split.
I’ll vote for Romney every single time now just to piss off the Birthers. And don’t anyone dare call me a RINO. If believing God created the earth in seven days, LITERALLY, and believing Obama, despite ALL evidence to the contrary, was not born in Hawaii is a requirement for being conservative, then we are in serious trouble.
jimmy the notable on August 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Birther= creationist/ID troofer
oceansidecon on August 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Are there that many birthers out there that it matters?
4shoes on August 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM
MITT ROMNEY IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT!!
A quick look at Mitt Romney’s Wikipedia page reveals something very interesting. The page goes into great detail about Romney’s father but doesn’t mention him having a mother at all.
If someone doesn’t have a mother can it truly be said that they are a “natural-born citizen.” How can someone be naturally born without a mother. Puh-leez.
Of course now that I’ve raised this issue I’m sure that a forged birth certificate with some fabricated mother’s name will soon be provided by the Governor.
29Victor on August 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM
motherer
bestwins on August 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Thats fine,but lets point out,1 in 3 democrats is an insane truther.How about some posts about that??Or doesnt that fit the plan?
theTarCzar on August 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM
birther = anybody democrats don’t like.
tetriskid on August 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM
From what party? From the Vichy Republicans? The ones who like to ignore the Constitution because it embarrasses them?
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM
The Constitution must be fellow to the letter. The fundamental rules of law, the foundation of our country cannot not be compromised. If that happens our country will fell apart.
jdun on August 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM
We are all birthers now.
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 8:57 PM
When are we going to get some hard hitting 9/11 truther/Trig Truther polls?
TimeTraveler on August 21, 2009 at 8:57 PM
my bad 2 out of 3
theTarCzar on August 21, 2009 at 8:57 PM
PPP is an idiotic tool of the DNC.
Geesh. They wasted time and money just for this?
TheAlamos on August 21, 2009 at 8:58 PM
That figures.
JetBoy on August 21, 2009 at 8:59 PM
WE HAPPEN TO BE CONSTITUTION LOVING AMERICANS NEOCON! And Romney is not my choice…when he was Governor of Mass, he implemented that state’s socialized medicine which has been a DISASTER!
BobAnthony on August 21, 2009 at 8:59 PM
How about a poll of ‘Birthers’ that want Tort Reform……?
Seven Percent Solution on August 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Yep, the dems have their truthers, we have our birthers. But I don’t recall anyone taking a poll of truthers to see where any of their candidates stood.
4shoes on August 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Q#1: Do you like Palin?
Q#2: Do you have any doubts about Obama?
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Ummm I really wouldn’t bring up Romney as example of not believing crazy crap.
tetriskid on August 21, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I feel a war a brewin’ ‘tween birfers and mittbots.
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:01 PM
The only way to fight the “birther” stigma is for all of to say we are birthers. Seriously.
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 9:02 PM
No.
LOL. Actively ignoring the Constitution, so that you don’t feel embarrassed, is supposed to be good for the country? Crazy. Truly insane.
You seem to think yourself extra-intelligent and all-knowing. Guess what, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. THAT is why you’re embarrassed.
First of all, I don’t care who you vote for. I was a Romney supporter (over McCain and Huck, at least). And you’re not a RINO, you’re Vichy.
You don’t seem to understand the eligibility issue, at all. Not surprising.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Yeah, but what to do when I’m neither one?
JetBoy on August 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM
That’s probably right idea. 600 posts or bust.
jdun on August 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM
What does it prove really? I could tell ya right now that this NYC hood brother has a favorable opinion of palin.
TimeTraveler on August 21, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Uh… well, this is HA, so I’d say grab some popcorn.
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Hey, folks, look at who did they poll.
They’re trying to stir things up.
Allah posts things like this to see who’s paying attention to details (and to get hits).
Meet the Pollster: Tom Jensen
Dean Debnam
Now I don’t know how they weighted their samples or how they asked the question, but why would they think it was even necessary to poll on something like this????
INC on August 21, 2009 at 9:06 PM
heh…
Good idea!
JetBoy on August 21, 2009 at 9:06 PM
I thought fosho that the birfers would have stronger numbers amongst the Paulistas … I guess they are full of too many conspiracy theorists already …
… Oh wait. Where the Palistas even polled?
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:06 PM
I’m glad to see someone else noticed.
INC on August 21, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Regardless, of where he was born, America is screwed by a wee wee President.
mobydutch on August 21, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Oh, it’s necessary. Now your questioning is fishy. Don’t make me report you to flaggindafishytatas@whitehouse.gub
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:07 PM
It seems clear to me that the Constitution only states what requirements a citizen must meet for POTUS eligibility. Nothing about what is acceptable/unacceptable verification of the eligibility. Therefore, any argument about the validity of his documentation is no longer a Constitutional based argument.
anuts on August 21, 2009 at 9:08 PM
So, a 2009 poll of an inconsequential demographic about the potential Republican candidates for president in 2012. And you try to draw conclusions from that…
facepalm
OneGyT on August 21, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Lets see, I love Palin, can’t stand RINO’s Romney and McCain and absolutely hate the piece of crap Obama. I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii but that he can’t be a true American because he hates this country so much. Am I a “birther?”
farright on August 21, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Well I belie your hunch as well as whatever divining rod contraption PPP, whomever that is, uses to come to his “shorthand” as I am totally “birther” and I am less to the right than most commenters here and it is because the man in the White House has shown nothing but a lame “Certification” rather than a “Certificate” (they do sound alike but then so to Veteran and Veterinarian) and that is about like 2 french fries versus a Happy Meal or like a “Doctor’s License” that you could get on the internet versus one you get at a Medical School. How does anyone here really know where he was born? He has his “Certificate”, aka Long Form, under lock and key. I don’t have the key. Do you have the key, Allahpundit? Does anyone here have the key? Again, how does anyone really know, with all his hiding, if he is legally in office, and after all that is really the point.
MB4 on August 21, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Why do you guys call Romney and McCain RINO’s? They seem to fit into the Republican party just fine. Now, CINO might be more appropriate.
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Dual citizens are not natural born citizens. Period. The Founders didn’t accept American dual citizenship so the idea that they meant to include multiple citizens in the category of natural born citizens is silly, at best.
Documentation is needed for verification of whatever the requirements are. The Precedent presented no documentation to anyone. This is obvious, since not a person on Earth can even say what hospital he was born in, as he has claimed two different hospitals, himself.
The fact is that B Hussein’s eligibility has never been checked by any official body. But too many of the Vichy right are embarrassed to even ask to have his eligibility checked. That’s just ridiculous. And then they try and get all condescending in their total ignorance, which is too funny.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Correct. This fits the bill for my birtherbuddy – passionate, educated, extremely passionate, well read, incredibly passionate, and over the line on this issue.
peski on August 21, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Romney has little chance of winning the primaries.
Apart from all the valid reasons that many republicans don’t like him, look at all the primary polls. Even though he may be the front runner by a few points, the other three close are conservatives, Palin, Huckabee, Gringrich. They are splitting their own votes. Once one or two drop out, the others will overtake Romney.
And Pawlenty – a lighter version of Romney, with more honesty, and a fresh face will run, and take some votes from him as well.
Romney should forget his presidential aspirations.
csThor on August 21, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Well that doesn’t fit either because I am a “Birther” and am an atheist and don’t think 9/11 was a Dick Cheney inside job or whatever.
MB4 on August 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM
The Republican Party left me years ago. John McCain is the last Republican I will vote for(I never voted Socialist,er I mean Democrat). I’m not a birther,but am a strict Constitutionalist,and a newly registered Libertarian. The Libertarian Party is closest to the Founding
Fathers original intent and for reducing the size of the Federal Government. I am no longer choosing between dumb and dumber, corrupt and more corrupt, big government or bigger government. My vote goes to Wayne Allen Root whether he’s got a shot in hell or not. I wasted a Libertarian vote on McCain the last time around…..Read Root’s book “Conscience of a Libertarian” and see what I’m talking about…..
adamsmith on August 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Hey, Libertarian>Green :)
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Nearly every post by Allah is an attempt to turn one conservative group against another. If you can’t see his agenda, you’re blind. Well, here’s where I stand.
I will vote for any birther over Obama
I will vote for Romney over Obama
I will vote for Palin over Obama
I will vote for Huckabee over Obama
I will vote for Snoopy over Obama
I will vote for Mickey Mouse over Obama
I will vote for a turnip over Obama
Ronnie on August 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM
O/T Dennis Miller is interviewing a guy from Media Matters. Totally hysterical the double standard.
Cindy Munford on August 21, 2009 at 9:20 PM
The inner MeggyMac takes over
The kittens run for cover
And AP watches as righties fight each other.
Upstater85 on August 21, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Google the quote… you will eventually find the source.
TimeTraveler on August 21, 2009 at 9:21 PM
You’re a libertarian and you voted for McCain? Not buying it.
tetriskid on August 21, 2009 at 9:22 PM
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