Palin: No health-care reform without tort reform

posted at 11:35 am on August 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Sarah Palin issued a strong call for tort reform from her Facebook platform this morning, calling on Congress and the American people to fix what’s specifically wrong in the US health-care system rather than break everything that works. Palin winningly refers to the deluge of frivolous legal actions against her as an example of a tort system run amuck, and ironically uses a Bill Clinton stock phrase, “I feel your pain.” She also has documented her argument rather thoroughly:

President Obama’s health care “reform” plan has met with significant criticism across the country. Many Americans want change and reform in our current health care system. We recognize that while we have the greatest medical care in the world, there are major problems that we must face, especially in terms of reining in costs and allowing care to be affordable for all. However, as we have seen, current plans being pushed by the Democratic leadership represent change that may not be what we had in mind — change which poses serious ethical concerns over the government having control over our families’ health care decisions. In addition, the current plans greatly increase costs of health care, while doing lip service toward controlling costs.

We need to address a REAL bipartisan reform proposition that will have REAL impacts on costs and quality of patient care.

As Governor of Alaska, I learned a little bit about being a target for frivolous suits and complaints (Please, do I really need to footnote that?). I went my whole life without needing a lawyer on speed-dial, but all that changes when you become a target for opportunists and people with no scruples. Our nation’s health care providers have been the targets of similar opportunists for years, and they too have found themselves subjected to false, frivolous, and baseless claims. To quote a former president, “I feel your pain.”

So what can we do? First, we cannot have health care reform without tort reform. The two are intertwined. For example, one supposed justification for socialized medicine is the high cost of health care. As Dr. Scott Gottlieb recently noted, “If Mr. Obama is serious about lowering costs, he’ll need to reform the economic structures in medicine—especially programs like Medicare.” [1] Two examples of these “economic structures” are high malpractice insurance premiums foisted on physicians (and ultimately passed on to consumers as “high health care costs”) and the billions wasted on defensive medicine.

Defensive medicine comprises as much as 10% of the total cost of American health care.  One study puts the average annual cost of defensive medicine as high as $2,000 for a family of four.  Estimates range between $100-$178 billion per year of defensive medicine costs.

To give a comparison, Obama has proposed to save $177 billion by killing off Medicare Advantage, a highly successful public-private partnership that expands coverage and simplifies billing for both patients and providers in the Medicare system.  Tort reform would eliminate the need for those cuts, and probably would also alleviate the wait times currently experienced as defensive medicine vanishes and more resources are available.  Doctors could focus on health rather than liability.

Why hasn’t Congress addressed tort reform?  For one thing, many of the Representatives and Senators on Capitol Hill are attorneys themselves.  Even more, the trial lawyers give a lot of money to Democrats, who currently control both chambers of Congress.  We’re unlikely to see tort reform in the health-care industry, and especially not across-the-board tort reform, which would take a big burden off the American economy (except, of course, in the ambulance-chasing industry).

But it’s a good issue to raise, especially since this administration and Congress says that we can’t do reform incrementally but must do it comprehensively.  It can’t be comprehensive while leaving tort reform off the table.

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Now that Palin is, you refuse to credit her with it.

What is with you vicious, jealous, backstabbing type females?

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Now I just feel sorry for you. You have issues that can’t be worked out on a blog.

sherry on August 21, 2009 at 6:26 PM

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:24 PM

I havent posted at RedState for years. Besides, I am a free American and I can post my opinion on as many blogs as I feel like. At least, I can until the Obamabots or Palinistas take my freedom of speech.

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM

The thinking of all the people who said as much was that, if a person has not been elected to office, then that person is not fair game for political attacks. If Palin’s policy proposals (how’s that for alliteration?) are to be taken seriously, then she is subject to criticism by those who disagree with her proposals, and their argument is no defense.

Consistency, while perhaps a hobgoblin of little minds, is surely not a hobgoblin of those who have been snookered in by a personality cult.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Criticism is fine. Unfortunately, a lot of the criticism she receives has to do with her appearance, or her faith, or her family, or the fact that she speaks like most average Americans and drops her g’s. If she’s wrong, refute her positions. If she’s right, admit it. Isn’t that simple?

jimmy2shoes on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM

What is with you vicious, jealous, backstabbing type females?

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM

The only thing I am jealous of Palin is Todd. He is much hotter than my hubby. But my hubby is smarter.

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM

the only one to take that would be who is in office right now… sweetie.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Why? Tort reform is only one half of the problem. It’s a waste not to mention the other, equally as vital, half. The two go together and are inseperable inseparable to really fixing the problem.

Why does a sniper hit one target at a time? Because that way you can really ensure its demise. It’s a military tactic. Secondly, and I say this with no denigration to the populace, but most people will better hear or understand an issue when it’s not muddied by other issues. Your assertion that they go together is insupportable. One addresses tort law. The other addresses portability of a service. Apples and oranges. Focus is the game.

Funny how when it was McCain, most posters here felt just the way I do about “bipartisanship”, but if Palin mentions it, it’s another matter.

McCain has a crappy record of caving in for the sake of bipartisanship, but Palin is just using rhetoric.

Newt Gingrich was on Fox last week talking about the alternative bill that the GOP has written and that has gotten no media play. He mentioned both tort reform and insurance competition are in the bill. Here’s a link to the bill, mentions doctors’ liability suits pretty much right a the top. Everyday, guests and commentators on Fox are mentioning both. Glenn Beck’s show in particular has had guests recently talking about it. I would love to add Palin’s name to the list.

Sorry, I don’t trust Newt. Ever since he held hands with Pelosi on glowbull warming, I’ve written him off. Thanks for the link, btw. Maybe you should write to Palin and tell her.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I havent posted at RedState for years.

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Your right Chekote, I have a quote about that too. Enjoy.

Chekote // Apr 14, 2009 at 6:01 pm

I am pro-choice. No room for me at Redstate. Besides, Redstate is the same old tired talking points.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Now I just feel sorry for you. You have issues that can’t be worked out on a blog.

sherry on August 21, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I didn’t start it with you, sweetie. As a matter of fact, I know you have been spoiling for a fight with me but I’ve ignored you. And I will continue to do so, because your comments are rather ignorant and stupid. I have yet to see you make any meaty statements here that are not based on solipsistic navel gazing. At least Aslan’s girl tries to evade that. And I bet you’re a lot older than she is.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM

New Majority:

Chekote // Jul 11, 2009 at 12:04 am

Today, I feel very encouraged. I am reading more and more pieces basically stating that Palin is a political dead end. I would recommend Noonan, Murphy’s pieces. But the best description of the Palin phenomenon is this:

It is amazing what makes you so encouraged.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:35 PM

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Some of those issues I mentioned, you may want to address your delusional paranoia first. Good luck.

sherry on August 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM

It is amazing what makes you so encouraged.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:35 PM

I guess we should add Noonan is even going AWAY from the BO!

opps.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM

My favorite post from Chekote via RedState:

” I am sticking with Giuliani by Chekote

Giuliani is the only candidate who will be competitive in states like New Jersey and PA. The GOP needs to break out of this Southern-Plains electoral box it has built for itself by pandering to the evangelicals. It is great to have religious people involved in party politics but they need to check their religious book at the door.

As far as Romney being the only candidate to keep the old Reagan coalition together, did it ever occur to you that it may be time to put together another coalition? Reagan is dead and has been out of office for 20 years. We need to capture the growing investor class. Giuliani is the man to do it. Romney could also have been the man to do it but he decided to pander to the evangelicals in Iowa.

You hate Palin because you are Pro-Choice, and she is a Christian. I think I get a better perspective of you Chekote. You are a petty bitter woman who can’t stand strong women. Gotcha.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM

PS: JazzShaw is a moron..

TimeTraveler on August 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Personally I think you’re overrating Jazz. Ed likes having Jazz and Rick Moran around because it mekes him look so much smarter. It like a lady standing next to the ugliest woman in the room.

bw222 on August 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM

I guess we should add Noonan is even going AWAY from the BO!

opps.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM

LOL. Yeah, poor Peg got a whiff of the smelling salts. It’ll take a lot for her to get back into good graces with the thinking class.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM

I think I get a better perspective of you Chekote. You are a petty bitter woman who can’t stand strong women. Gotcha.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Some women appear to be personally threatened by Palin.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM

You are a petty bitter woman who can’t stand strong women. Gotcha.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM

She’s not the only one. It’s unfortunate, but Palin’s beauty has brought out a lot of envious women’s spite.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM

At least, I can until the Obamabots or Palinistas take my freedom of speech.

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM

See, now you just completely lost the argument. Obama would take your liberties, Palin fights for them. When you can’t see the enemies from the friendlies it’s time to go home.

It’s amazing how you get so worked up by me pointing out your own words to you. You said them.

Thanks for playing.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I thought it funny concerning all the trolls in here today. As I think Palin is still going far and will continue to turn the knife on the aspects of healthcare, natural resources and other issues that arise. Collectively, we are all going to have to “group” together and take on those who are just a waste of carbon in political form.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Personality? Check. Cult? Check.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM

The only thing I am jealous of Palin is Todd. He is much hotter than my hubby. But my hubby is smarter.

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Todd has Sarah and hubby has you. Kind of kills that argument.

bw222 on August 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Come on tell the truth………….do you really think this country would be so messed up and agitated right now if Sarah was Prez……………..? Hardly…………..and we’d have oil flowing………….good old USA oil and taxes low……..and jobs everywhere………….but hey, I’m racist………..and a Nazi too………..and I wear Brooks Bros…………..

Cinday Blackburn on August 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM

We love you Sarah…………….

Cinday Blackburn on August 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Palin is hitting her stride now.

Good. Long may it continue.

Anders on August 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Personality? Check. Cult? Check.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Palin trolls and detractors exhibit more cultist behavior than her supporters do. They’re drawn to Palin threads like moths to a flame. They simply can’t stay away.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Palin trolls and detractors exhibit more cultist behavior than her supporters do. They’re drawn to Palin threads like moths to a flame. They simply can’t stay away.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM

So because I’m “drawn like [a moth] to a flame” to Palin threads for the purpose of letting her worshipers know how far beyond the pale they’ve gone, I’m a cultist? I guess that’s what Marx meant when he said that proletarian logic is different from the bourgeois logic elites such as I use.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Sorry, I don’t trust Newt. Ever since he held hands with Pelosi on glowbull warming, I’ve written him off. Thanks for the link, btw. Maybe you should write to Palin and tell her.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Ahhh, you didn’t specify; all you said was “name one” I believe. But, I mentioned that everyday Fox has someone on who now mentions both, not just Newt: they’re on Cavuto, Beck, Hannity, etc.

Oh, and of course you had to get more condescending snark in. Funny how you want Palin to be tactically smart and get other people on her side. Maybe you should try it just once?

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Personality? Check. Cult? Check.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM

This is really getting tiresome.

Just go ahead and accept the fact that Sarah is the one.
The only one.
When she speaks, lions lay down with lambs, flowers bloom from nothing, and angels sing overhead.
Without Sarah, there is no GOP, no America.

Sarah, you are our only hope.
/sarc

Brian1972 on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

In some quarters anything less than pure adoration of Palin Obama is considered treason.

Chekote on August 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM

1921 C DRUM on August 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

So because I’m “drawn like [a moth] to a flame” to Palin threads for the purpose of letting her worshipers know how far beyond the pale they’ve gone, I’m a cultist?

Well, yeah. Sounds pretty obsessive to me. Do you go to Obama sites and deride his supporters as “cultists”?

I guess that’s what Marx meant when he said that proletarian logic is different from the bourgeois logic elites such as I use.

If you’re unsure as to Marx’s meanings … ask Obama.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

but hey, I’m racist………..and a Nazi too………..and I wear Brooks Bros…………..

Cinday Blackburn on August 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM
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me too.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Personality? Check. Cult? Check.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Did I say cult? Did I say Palin supporters?

I did happen to say Nation.. right?

reread what I posted.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Ahhh, you didn’t specify; all you said was “name one” I believe. But, I mentioned that everyday Fox has someone on who now mentions both, not just Newt: they’re on Cavuto, Beck, Hannity, etc.

Oh, and of course you had to get more condescending snark in. Funny how you want Palin to be tactically smart and get other people on her side. Maybe you should try it just once?

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

What snark? I was not being snarky. You and sherry need to get together.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

So because I’m “drawn like [a moth] to a flame” to Palin threads for the purpose of letting her worshipers know how far beyond the pale they’ve gone, I’m a cultist?

Well, yeah. Sounds pretty obsessive to me. Do you go to Obama sites and deride his supporters as “cultists”?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Zing!!!

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I guess that’s what Marx meant when he said that proletarian logic is different from the bourgeois logic elites such as I use.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM
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huh?

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

So because I’m “drawn like [a moth] to a flame” to Palin threads for the purpose of letting her worshipers know how far beyond the pale they’ve gone, I’m a cultist?

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Of course not. Your a masochist.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Well, yeah. Sounds pretty obsessive to me. Do you go to Obama sites and deride his supporters as “cultists”?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Touche!

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Palin trolls and detractors exhibit more cultist behavior than her supporters do. They’re drawn to Palin threads like moths to a flame. They simply can’t stay away.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM

True. There’s far more foaming-at-the-mouth among anti-Palinites.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM
ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Hey now.. I am the supreme leader of cultists, remember!

Even though I am sure I told everyone, don’t make her out like Obama.. on many occations.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

If she’s wrong, refute her positions. If she’s right, admit it. Isn’t that simple?

jimmy2shoes on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Double zing!!!!!!

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

True. There’s far more foaming-at-the-mouth among anti-Palinites.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Indeed. They spend more time dissecting her words and actions than they do to any other Republican figure. The level of pettiness is amazing. Never seen it in my life before. And I’ve been paying attention for 20 years.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Some women appear to be personally threatened by Palin.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM
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Because they know that men love her in a way they will never be able to love them. They can’t get past there own self esteem and will denigrate any woman that draws a man’s attention away from them. It’s a psychological problem.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Because they know that men love her in a way they will never be able to love them. They can’t get past there own self esteem and will denigrate any woman that draws a man’s attention away from them. It’s a psychological problem.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

BINGO! And it occurs even among so called conservative women. They have a need to nitpick everything she does, to “prove” that she is not perfect. She is not perfect, of course, but the level of snippiness, pettiness, and double standards are breath taking. They give free passes to other conservatives, especially the men, but when it comes to Palin, they are absolute harpies.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM
ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Hey now.. I am the supreme leader of cultists, remember!

Even though I am sure I told everyone, don’t make her out like Obama.. on many occations.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Here’s the essential difference. Unlike Obama cultists, we don’t think Sarah is going to lower the sea levels or heal the earth.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM

but hey, I’m racist………..and a Nazi too………..and I wear Brooks Bros…………..

Cinday Blackburn on August 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM

You leave Brooks Brothers out of this! We elitist East Coast inside-the-beltway snobs need to look snazzy while we’re denigrating Palin! What am I to do, shop at Jos. A Bank?

Well, yeah. Sounds pretty obsessive to me. Do you go to Obama sites and deride his supporters as “cultists”?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

No–I don’t have the patience of Job, or a death wish. I do let those in my social circle, Democrats included, know what I think of The One, though. I’d be at HotAir anyway–I started following Ed years before he joined up here–so I figure I may as well do some good rather than lurking silently.

If you’re unsure as to Marx’s meanings … ask Obama.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

I’ve read enough Marx (I’m an economist–it’s a know thine enemy thing) to know that Obama is not a Marxist. ‘Twasn’t Obama, anyhow, who nationalized (state-ionalized?) the oil companies’ assets and distributed that which had been expropriated among the proletariat she governed.

I’m not all riled up with hate for Palin, though–I can even say something nice about her: every fool who supports her is one less fool to support Huckabee.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Here’s the essential difference. Unlike Obama cultists, we don’t think Sarah is going to lower the sea levels or heal the earth.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM

nope, she is just going to thin out the herd a little.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

An article by the other conservative in the GOP that I stand behind.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361014098225036.html

ny59giants on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I’m not all riled up with hate for Palin, though–I can even say something nice about her: every fool who supports her is one less fool to support Huckabee.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

So you say something “nice” about her, but insult her supporters by calling them “fools”. You are an asshole of the first degree.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:10 PM

It’s amazing how you get so worked up by me pointing out your own words to you. You said them.

Thanks for playing.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Same way with Obama.

1921 C DRUM on August 21, 2009 at 7:10 PM

I’m not all riled up with hate for Palin, though–I can even say something nice about her: every fool who supports her is one less fool to support Huckabee.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Oh, so you say something “nice” about Palin while insulting her supporters by calling them “fools”.

You are an a**hole of the highest order. P*ss off.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM

I respect and admire Sarah Palin because I know she loves her country as much as I do and she thinks that our country can do great things and has done great things. I also like her because she is one of the bravest people I have ever seen on the political stage. If you can’t admire her policies, you don’t have to, but you do have to admire her bravery and her tenacity. People like her only come around every generation and they are what will lead the next generation, if and when they have to step up and defeat a bunch of idiots who try to take down our country. I was raised on Reagan and I am proud to say that I was. You can’t have hope without true faith in the person that leads you and that leader must have faith in something higher than himself or all is lost.

Let me ask you guys something…..try to imagine this world without the United States ever existing. Would we be better off than we are now?

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

‘Twasn’t Obama, anyhow, who nationalized (state-ionalized?) the oil companies’ assets and distributed that which had been expropriated among the proletariat she governed.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

So … you think she should have sought an amendment to the Alaska Constitution?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

ny59giants on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

You know, I like Perry. I(‘ve been liking what I hear coming from him. But it seems that whenever he is mentioned, the Texans in the room (so to speak) start criticizing him and saying he’s a RINO. So I don’t know what to think, as I don’t live in Texas.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Let me ask you guys something…..try to imagine this world without the United States ever existing. Would we be better off than we are now?

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

alaska is about to secede.. what do you think?

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Here’s the essential difference. Unlike Obama cultists, we don’t think Sarah is going to lower the sea levels or heal the earth.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM
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or pay our bills.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I guess that’s what Marx meant when he said that proletarian logic is different from the bourgeois logic elites such as I use.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM

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huh?

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Marx had a problem: the science of economics refuted his positions utterly. To counter that problem, he posited, taking a line from Hegel, that different kinds of logic apply to different kinds of people. Anticipating Sartre, he said that the logic of the proletariat was more authentic, and thus more valid, than the logic of the economists, who were merely sycophants for the bourgeoisie.

Palin’s supporters–the very kind of rabble that a populist candidate seeks to rouse–are immune to the bourgeois logic of the “East Coast inside-the-beltway snobbish elite” of Parker, Frum, Krauthammer, Will, et al. Anyone who suggests that only an uneducated moose hunter of humble origins and even humbler résumé can understand the plight of middle America is parroting Marx’s argument.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

‘Twasn’t Obama, anyhow, who nationalized (state-ionalized?) the oil companies’ assets and distributed that which had been expropriated among the proletariat she governed.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

If I have an oil deposit in my yard, and Exxon develops it, I don’t think I’d be a Marxist in expecting a decent return.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

upinak….that wasn’t a secession question that was a philosophical question. I understand the frustration of any state that is strangled by the federal government’s regulations….I was thinking more on the line of what the founder’s originally set up.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I’m not all riled up with hate for Palin, though–I can even say something nice about her: every fool who supports her is one less fool to support Huckabee.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I see … perhaps you should go into politics. You have quite the flair for bullshyt.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM

If I have an oil deposit in my yard, and Exxon develops it, I don’t think I’d be a Marxist in expecting a decent return.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

only if you are lucky to live in a State that you on the surface right and mineral right underneath,

Besides… hic doesn’t understand one thing.

Alaskans OWN the mineral right in the State. It isn’t the State that owns them. opps

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM

alaska is about to secede.. what do you think?

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM

It is?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I respect and admire Sarah Palin because I know she loves her country as much as I do and she thinks that our country can do great things and has done great things. I also like her because she is one of the bravest people I have ever seen on the political stage. If you can’t admire her policies, you don’t have to, but you do have to admire her bravery and her tenacity. People like her only come around every generation and they are what will lead the next generation, if and when they have to step up and defeat a bunch of idiots who try to take down our country. I was raised on Reagan and I am proud to say that I was. You can’t have hope without true faith in the person that leads you and that leader must have faith in something higher than himself or all is lost.

Let me ask you guys something…..try to imagine this world without the United States ever existing. Would we be better off than we are now?

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

No, the world would be a dark place if the US did not exist. Call me a chauvinist, but I believe that the US is the greatest nation ever conceived in the history of the world. Our Constitution is the most sublime document of its kind (to paraphrase someone else), and nowhere has any other political accord produced a people who are as rich, free, and GOOD as Americans are. I’m unashamed to say it, and I’ll stand up and say it to anyone. No apologies – EVER!

I emphasized what you wrote because I want to note that while I have no problem with valid criticisms of Palin’s policies, I do have problems with the silly, petty, nitpicking which is not done to anyone else. I see people deliberately come to any Palin thread with the sole purpose of denigrating and running her down. They NEVER credit her for ANYTHING. It’s mean spirited, nasty, and smacks of plain envy.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

So you say something “nice” about her, but insult her supporters by calling them “fools”. You are an asshole of the first degree.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Oh, so you say something “nice” about Palin while insulting her supporters by calling them “fools”.

You are an a**hole of the highest order. P*ss off.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Which is it? First degree, or highest order? Let me know so I can add it to my C.V.

So … you think she should have sought an amendment to the Alaska Constitution?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Marxist expropriation may have been constitutional, but that didn’t make it right, and it certainly didn’t make it conservative. Be sure to check out pro-capitalist economist George Reisman’s blog entry from August 2008 comparing her energy plan to Obama’s.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Wow. You babble almost as well as Obama. You need to calibrate your words a little better, though.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Palin’s supporters–the very kind of rabble that a populist candidate seeks to rouse–are immune to the bourgeois logic of the “East Coast inside-the-beltway snobbish elite” of Parker, Frum, Krauthammer, Will, et al. Anyone who suggests that only an uneducated moose hunter of humble origins and even humbler résumé can understand the plight of middle America is parroting Marx’s argument.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM
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You remind me of this person I use to date who would spill out these logical illogical arguments to me as a way to impress and confuse the true issue, like where should we go to dinner or what movie should we see. He was an idiot and still is an idiot.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM

It is?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM

been in talks for a while and the legislation actually signed a decree about a month ago concerning it.

Alaska and vermont are now the ONLY two States in the union who can secede without the worry of the Federal Gov.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Alaskans OWN the mineral right in the State. It isn’t the State that owns them. opps

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Opps? You can’t even spell “oops” right? It’s onomatopoeia, for Chrissake!

It is a Marxist notion to think that mineral rights belong to the working class, and are managed on their behalf by the state. To a capitalist, the mineral rights belong to the private owners of the land in question.

If I have an oil deposit in my yard, and Exxon develops it, I don’t think I’d be a Marxist in expecting a decent return.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

You’d be a capitalist for expecting a decent return. The governor of your state, however, would be a Marxist if he expected a decent return into the state’s coffers.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Palin’s supporters–the very kind of rabble that a populist candidate seeks to rouse–are immune to the bourgeois logic of the “East Coast inside-the-beltway snobbish elite” of Parker, Frum, Krauthammer, Will, et al. Anyone who suggests that only an uneducated moose hunter of humble origins and even humbler résumé can understand the plight of middle America is parroting Marx’s argument.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Straw man argument. No one is saying ONLY Palin can understand “middle America”. If you’ve got someone else in mind, you could spend a lot more energy in pointing that person out rather than in trying to demonstrate to us poor ignorant rabble-rubes how woefully inadequate Palin is.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I do it to piss off the spelling nazi’s.

:)

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

So … you think she should have sought an amendment to the Alaska Constitution?

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

If the constitution mandates Marxist behavior, then the constitution must be changed. Be sure to check out what capitalist economist George Reisman’s comparison of Palin’s and Obama’s energy policies from August 2008.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Alaska and vermont are now the ONLY two States in the union who can secede without the worry of the Federal Gov.

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM

I get Alaska … I keep wishing Virginia would do something along those lines … but Vermont? Vermont is leftist paradise.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

They NEVER credit her for ANYTHING. It’s mean spirited, nasty, and smacks of plain envy.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM
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That’s what it is….plain envy and most of all fear. I don’t let them get me down, because I too believe that our country is the greatest nation ever. We were born out of the best and worst experiments that occurred before our founding and we were the result of people learning from their mistakes. History always repeats itself, but those that live that history tend to forget that.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

If I have an oil deposit in my yard, and Exxon develops it, I don’t think I’d be a Marxist in expecting a decent return.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

You’d be a capitalist for expecting a decent return. The governor of your state, however, would be a Marxist if he expected a decent return into the state’s coffers.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Not if the state, or the people of the state, owns the land and resources to begin with.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I do it to piss off the spelling nazi’s.

:)

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

When it’s plural, “nazi” should be “nazis”, without the apostrophe. And I’m the grammar nazi too, sweetie.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I do it to piss off the spelling nazi’s.

:)

upinak on August 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

And I guess you use the possessive, rather than the plural, form for the same purpose.

Straw man argument. No one is saying ONLY Palin can understand “middle America”. If you’ve got someone else in mind, you could spend a lot more energy in pointing that person out rather than in trying to demonstrate to us poor ignorant rabble-rubes how woefully inadequate Palin is.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM

There was a time, not too long ago, when the Republican Party was the party with reasoned arguments on its side (as opposed to now, when reason favors neither side). Bill Clinton took a raft of crap from the Right when he said he “felt [Middle America's] pain.” Republicans said they’d rather have good governance than empathy. I guess Compassionate Conservatism changed all that.

It’s been fun, but I have a movie to catch. Good evening, all.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

That’s what it is….plain envy and most of all fear. I don’t let them get me down, because I too believe that our country is the greatest nation ever. We were born out of the best and worst experiments that occurred before our founding and we were the result of people learning from their mistakes. History always repeats itself, but those that live that history tend to forget that.
shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I think it’s partly because we have become too concerned with our own pleasures and materialism. My father used to say towards the end of his life, “This nation is becoming a nation of hedonists”. He grew up during the Depression.

The fall of Rome is often attributed to the people more involved with “bread and circuses” than with actually being responsible citizens of a republic.

But I think we are seeing a “renaissance” now. People who have never been involved are getting involved and speaking up. It’s a good sign.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Once again Sarah hits the nail on the head and speaks truth to power when no one else in the public arena has the courage to say it. She knows her people and we know her!
GO SARAH!

Herb on August 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Once again Sarah hits the nail on the head and speaks truth to power when no one else in the public arena has the courage to say it. She knows her people and we know her!
GO SARAH!

Herb on August 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Oh, but it’s not good enough, you see. It wasn’t published by the New York Times, and didn’t address portability.

So, it’s all for naught. /sarc

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Bill Clinton took a raft of crap from the Right when he said he “felt [Middle America's] pain.” Republicans said they’d rather have good governance than empathy. I guess Compassionate Conservatism changed all that.

It’s been fun, but I have a movie to catch. Good evening, all.

hicsuget on August 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Clinton took crap for that remark because of its coldly political calculation.

Good governance and some sense of empathy are not mutually exclusive. We’re not necessarily better off by being governed by egghead theorists that the oh-so-intellectual can celebrate without embarrassment.

See ya.

ddrintn on August 21, 2009 at 7:32 PM

It’s getting fun to read all of the Palin haters here. Their attacks are becoming even more and more pathetic. I mean most of them have never been able to articulate a real reason why she is not the leader of the conservative movement, and if she wants to be, the next President.

It’s always nit-picking on the edges. Oh, she should have written MORE, forgetting that she continued to hit Obama on “death panels” after her point was made! Let the sting of this attack be felt, then she’ll fire a few more rounds.

Then you have those who say she doesn’t write “presidential.” Well, after enduring wee-wee boy for 7 months, the threshold of what is “presidential” and what isn’t, ain’t what it used to be!

And don’t get me started on Michelle in shorts! Jackie Kennedy my arse!

Sarah writes like we all talk. She is NOT some Ivy League moron, and that’s part of the reason why she is so well liked, and trusted.

When Sarah writes or speaks, it’s very easy to understand what she is saying. The only people that don’t follow it are either ignorant, or simply refuse to believe there is a politician who says what they mean and means what they say.

Now, Sarah is no Ronald Reagan, communication wise. But Reagan had 50 + years experience as a radio announcer, Hollywood actor, commercial spokesperson, and of course Governor and President. On the other hand, Sarah is incredibly Reaganesque in her thinking and certainly has the ability to cut through the BS just like Ronnie. You just know that he smiles every time he looks down on her.

Here’s the thing. Washington has failed us totally. It is completely FUBAR. With very few exceptions, there is no one in Congress who is worth the powder and lead it would take to end them. And there are no real leaders who are truly out there, who have truly risked it all, to make a difference.

The answer is someone who has actually accomplished major change, and not just made a campaign slogan out of it. That is Sarah Palin. She certainly left Alaska better than she found it.

We need someone who knows how to fight corruption head on and doesn’t care about the consequences. Someone who doesn’t care which party is bad. You can ask the Republican party of Alaska about Sarah’s ability to take down corruption in her own party! They were so pissed they didn’t even feature her, the sitting Governor, on their website!!

But she did the right thing.

In fact, if you look all the way back to Sarah’s earliest days on the Wasilla city council when she took on her friend Nick Carney when he wanted to set up a monopoly for his company, right through to her last day as Governor, you are hard pressed to find many false moves by this gal.

Is she perfect, no, of course not. But of anyone out there in the national debate, she’s the only one I would unquestioningly trust in any situation to do the right thing.

And that’s all that really matter.

gary4205 on August 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

atheling…..

My Dad died two weeks ago and he was a Korean War vet and grew up during the Depression and he always said the same thing your Dad did. Those are the people who we should emulate and revere. They endured so much trial and tribulation. They are the true spirit of America and maybe that is why I have hope for this country, because they did raise a few of us who didn’t go the way of the 60′s love generation.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

If the constitution mandates Marxist behavior, then the constitution must be changed.

Well … it’s really not Marxist behavior. Real Marxist behavior would have the royalties paid to the politicians who in turn give out a pittance to the serfs, if any.

Anyway … it’s perfectly Constitutional and well within a state’s rights.

Be sure to check out what capitalist economist George Reisman’s comparison of Palin’s and Obama’s energy policies from August 2008.

Hey … stamp your feet all you want about Palin and the Alaska oil companies but she did nothing more than negotiate taxes based on the price of oil. It’s not on top of taxes they already pay, like Obama and his “windfall profits” tax.

Keep stomping … maybe someone nearby will care.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

gary….well said.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM

My Dad died two weeks ago

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

My condolences shomegirl.

darwin on August 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM

atheling…..

My Dad died two weeks ago and he was a Korean War vet and grew up during the Depression and he always said the same thing your Dad did. Those are the people who we should emulate and revere. They endured so much trial and tribulation. They are the true spirit of America and maybe that is why I have hope for this country, because they did raise a few of us who didn’t go the way of the 60’s love generation.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Oh my gosh, bless your heart. My Dad too, served in Korea (and WWII). He died almost 4 years ago – wouldn’t it have been something if they knew each other at that time?

You are so right. They are truly of the “greatest generation” and deserve to be honored and remembered. Part of me wishes he was around to talk to and discuss current events. But another part of me is glad he is not here to see what is happening to the country he loved, served, defended, and taught me to love – which I think was his greatest gift to me as a father.

Both our dads grew up without health insurance or welfare… no safety nets. But they worked hard, lived as good neighbors, and contributed more to this nation than any of us can boast of.

It touches my heart to hear that from you. *HUGS*

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM

gary4205 on August 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Well said. I also notice that some of the Palin detractors seem unable to articulate why they don’t like her, or don’t want to support her. Whatever. They are the flipside of the coin that supported Obama without being able to articulate why.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Thanks for the condolences. He was a good man and worked hard for his family. He loved his country and so did my mother. They both had different political views, but they both believed they were two of the luckiest people alive to have been born in this country, even though they lived through the Depression and WWII. They knew great things came from this country and it’s people. Interestingly enough they found each other in their 30′s and raised two kids starting in the 60′s. Mine and my sibling’s friends always thought we were “squares”, because we were so much more conservative than they were. It has served he and I well and I think they gave us a gift that can never be repaid.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

My Dad died two weeks ago

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Sorry to hear. God bless him for her service. Stay strong.

portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Tort reform is the elephant in the room that the dems don’t want the American people to see…Go Palin!!!

Nozzle on August 21, 2009 at 7:53 PM

gary4205 on August 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Yep, agree. For me, it comes down to trust and Sarah is the only one in our camp that I trust.

I like the others; they have their pluses, but so far, Sarah is the more trustworthy of all of them.

yogi41 on August 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Thanks for the condolences. He was a good man and worked hard for his family. He loved his country and so did my mother. They both had different political views, but they both believed they were two of the luckiest people alive to have been born in this country, even though they lived through the Depression and WWII. They knew great things came from this country and it’s people. Interestingly enough they found each other in their 30’s and raised two kids starting in the 60’s. Mine and my sibling’s friends always thought we were “squares”, because we were so much more conservative than they were. It has served he and I well and I think they gave us a gift that can never be repaid.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

My mother was a war bride from Korea, so her political/social beliefs are even more conservative than my father’s were, coming from an occupied, war torn country. It’s funny, that your parents married late and had their kids in the 60′s, as did mine! Growing up, all my friends thought my parents were so square because they were older than theirs, and were old fashioned in raising us kids.

No, we cannot repay the gift, but we can still do what we’re doing by fighting for the preservation of liberty in our nation, and restoring the Republic. I hope they will be proud of us! :)

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Thanks….my brother and I were going through the storage shed and found his pack that he brought home from Korea (we also found his combat boots!). It had his bars and stripes, along with his Marine pins. Included was his ration book, his sewing kit and his caps. We put it all in a shadow box and it sits on my mantel downstairs. He had a Marine honor guard at his funeral and my brother and I decided to have the Marine give the flag that was draped over his casket to my 12 year old son. He (my son) had no idea he was going to be receiving it. The Marine knelt before him with the flag and presented it to him and if you could have seen the pride and reverence in my child’s eyes you would have cried. I certainly did. In absence of our father and grandfather we have our memories and tokens from the time he served his country with great pride and no questions asked. It is more than a lot of people have and we are grateful.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Sarah’s gotten 14,000+ new supporters on facebook in the last 2 days.

lonestar1 on August 21, 2009 at 8:01 PM

How funny that we were raised in similar circumstances. That is very comforting to me, thank you so much for sharing it.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Loxodonta on August 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Did you see the post The Other McCain did about “Path to Republican Revival” by Michael Gerson and Peter Wehner?

Yesterday, I slammed as spectacularly boring — to say nothing of its sheer wrongheadedness

INC on August 21, 2009 at 2:41 PM

No. I hadn’t until you referred me to it. However, now having done so, I’m surprised that you failed to address the major flaw in The Other McCain’s criticism of contemporary political commentary from our most respected conservative journalists. As you seem woefully uneducated to do so for yourself, let me help you. Herewith, a brief primer:

If one cannot use 5,000 words to communicate what one can state in 50, the market price per unit of gobbledygook will decline steeply, thus negatively impacting the cash flows and retirement plans of the only people in our country who’s views are worth repeating at cocktail parties in Manhattan, DC and LA, from which the declining ripple effects upon our culture would be far too unspeakable to mention. How dare you!

Loxodonta on August 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM

The Marine knelt before him with the flag and presented it to him and if you could have seen the pride and reverence in my child’s eyes you would have cried.

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Believe me, you brought tears to my eyes.

Your son is blessed. Having a hero for a grandfather is one of the greatest gifts a child can have. So rare.

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Here’s a graph of Facebook supporters for various pols.

Palin – over 800,000… trailed by Ron Paul at 137,000, Huckabee at 106,00, Romney at 69,000…

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 8:10 PM

No crying….it’s a Friday night and we still live in the greatest nation on Earth. ;-)

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:11 PM

No crying….it’s a Friday night and we still live in the greatest nation on Earth. ;-)

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:11 PM

LOL.. notice I changed the subject and posted the FB numbers? *blows nose with kleenex*

atheling on August 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM

shomegirl on August 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I’m sorry to hear about your dad.

Thank you for sharing the story about the flag and your son. That’s very moving.

INC on August 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Loxodonta on August 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM

This means that R. S. McCain must take the blame for the 9 trillion word deficit!

INC on August 21, 2009 at 8:14 PM

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