Gibbs: Obama’s willing to be a one-term president to pass health care
posted at 4:05 pm on August 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Breitbart, your transparent White House lie of the day. If this were remotely true, Obama never would have flirted with health-care co-ops or reached out to Grassley and Snowe for political cover on a phony “bipartisan” bill. He’d have drawn a line in the sand, demanded the public option that he’s been dreaming of for years, and told the Blue Dogs that they can either get on board or face reconciliation in the Senate and an all-out media blitz from the White House press shop and lefty PACs. (And yes, reconciliation is feasible, even though it would be difficult.) Sure, it would have alienated the GOP, the centrist wing of his own party, and the growing majority that opposes ObamaCare, but so what? The dream of Hopenchange would have been realized. And according to our pal Gibbsy, that’s all that matters.
The hard truth for the left is that our supposedly genius president may be a one-termer anyway, precisely because he isn’t willing to make tough, risky decisions:
So imagine if Obama had focused on fixing the economy, and chosen presidential power over congressional accommodation and constructed his American Recovery and Reinvestment Act as a true, immediate stimulus without the pork and paybacks.
He then could have pushed through tougher regulation of financial institutions, making it clear people were paying for their sins, and would have a much harder time doing it again. This would have delighted the left and perhaps bought Obama more durable support among independents. Instead, the left thinks he’s beholden to investment banks, and much of the public sees no consequences for the financial mess.
Add in some serious budget cuts, and Obama would have positioned himself as a new kind of liberal with the courage to tame Washington and Wall Street, as promised. Under this scenario, Obama might be getting more credit for the economic recovery that appears to be under way. This would have positioned him to win health-care reform starting next year — a mighty achievement, and clear vindication against the doubters.
Now, with the public’s confidence in him shaken, he’s ready to accept a watered-down bill purely in the interests of getting something passed and saving political face — the precise opposite of Gibbs’s spin here. No wonder Krugman and the left feel betrayed.
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You just wait until we have him running all over the globe for thirty years. He is going to make Jimmy Carter look tame. I can just imagine him interjecting himself in Middle East policy for the rest of my life.
TXMomof3 on August 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM
And this is just another iteration of nice343…who was banned even earlier.
AUINSC on August 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Good lord. Observe carefully, this is a slow motion tantrum Mugabe is throwing over his failure to socialize healthcare.
elduende on August 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Just to be clear.
John the Libertarian on August 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Is he willing to be a quarter term president? (Impeachment; I’m not suggesting anything else.)
Of course if he does ram it through without being impeached, he probably won’t have to stand for re-election… The final nail in the economy’s coffin will be driven, the country will self destruct and he will be able to get away with declaring martial law and suspending elections.
Now, where did I put that tin-foil?
LegendHasIt on August 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Although I had the most dire feelings of doom when Obama was elected, I swear, I would have never imagined that the WH would be running on despair so quickly.
betsyz on August 21, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I hope to God you are wrong. The last thing we need is Obama touring the globe like Bono giving his signature “US Apology Tour.”
Shock the Monkey on August 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I could live with Obama’s plan.
Well, at least I would stand as good a chance as you, $h!t for brains.
__________
RJGatorEsq. on August 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Fixed. Obama is a ditherer. A natural-born shyster in an executive suit. Unfortunately, he’s also a tyrant at heart with the soul of a rat, much like the men he admires (Chavez, Castro, etc.).
spmat on August 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Well, that IS one way of being a one-term president …
PackerBronco on August 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
The One accelerated right into Jimmy Carter ‘Malaise’ mode in 6 months…took Carter 3 years to get there.
AUINSC on August 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Gibbs also explaing “wee weed”…
Backwards is forward. Front is back. Up is down.
SouthernGent on August 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM
I can’t believe that I am saying this but Plugs Biden would be a better prez than this douche. Let the impeachment proceed.
farright on August 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Oh, sure, Gibbsie. Obama is willing to be a one-term president. How big of him. Once he controls another major sector of the economy, he would be the last president. We could just “move on” to his being permanent dictator.
onlineanalyst on August 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
What Obama failed to realize is that a Rorschach test no longer works when you give the painting a name.
J_Crater on August 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
You’re an underachiever when it comes to dreams.
I’m hoping the vote fails miserably and Obama resigns or is impeached before his term is up.
;)
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 4:33 PM
The only thing standing between Obama and a second term, no matter how badly he screws things up, is another Republican candidate chosen by the media. Never doubt the Republicans’ ability to mangle opportunity….
alecj on August 21, 2009 at 4:33 PM
portlandon on August 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Terribly wrong thinking, allah. These tactics are for use in pushing more legislation through, to kill the US more quickly, not to get another term.
He doesn’
t care one whit about the “public option” or anything else. All The Precedent wants to do is create chaos, which is why he’s let the Congress do all of the legislation on their own.
I don’t even know what you’re getting at, here.
Allah, The Precedent’s actions will continue to baffle you until you accept what his motoivations are, and getting a second term is not in there. The moron is surprised he hasn’t been tossed out of office, already, but he knows that it’s just a matter of time. He’s racing against this and trying to do as much damage as he possibly can.
That’s it. Get your head straight, man.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Obama was never interested in fixing the economy; he was interested in fixing the economy, according to his Marxist dream.
onlineanalyst on August 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Here’s Bachmann (transcript) on Hannity on Tues 8/18:
RepubChica on August 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Wee-wee is a term little kids use to describe their privates. Wee-wee’d, the verb, is an action meaning to urinate.
Shock the Monkey on August 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM
PUH
LEEZE
He plans on being President for Life – after they repeal that racist amendment about two terms.
“I don’t look like all the presidents on the dollar bills”
Why no, Mr. President, no you don’t. They look like MEN.
inviolet on August 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I wonder if 0 and his advisors are staring at each other with their mouths open saying “Gee, this sux. Maybe we DID try to do too much too fast. Maybe we shoulda moved on health care BEFORE that phony stimulus thingy.”
Do you think there will be any unexpected resignations or rearrangement of WH personnel?
DrStock on August 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Obama is so gifted with his use of language it is difficult to know exactly what his real intentions might be. What he says is much to dependent on what the listener thinks he heard, which is dependent on what the listener wants to hear.
Gibbs let the cat out when he explained the ‘we we’ comment by translating it as ‘bed wetters’. What was left unsaid, or unreported was who was the intended target.
If you translate it into ‘those cowardly blue dog democrat bedwetters’ who are afraid of the voters and won’t vote for health care, the comment makes sense.
Is Obama really weak and cowardly, or are his threats so understated you don’t hear them as threats? We won’t know until the thugs show up.
Skandia Recluse on August 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Is it me or does Gibbs look like he’s about to have a nervous breakdown?
At any minute during one of these pressers I expect him to shout over his shoulder: COULD YOU ASK OBAMA TO COME OUT HERE? EVEN I CAN’T EXPLAIN WEE WEED UP!
ConservativeTony on August 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM
It’s good to see that they recognize that reality. I’m not sure if he really means it or not, but even if he does mean it, are enough congressmen willing to fall on their sword with him for this?
Either way, I thought this was all just a fabrication of the right wing? All the opposition is just a bunch of astroturfers funded by the RNC and health insurers. Just a bunch of fringy nazi’s. Now why on earth would they be talking publicly about one term when the opposition to this is just a bunch of organized kooks? Hmmm, I’m going to have to think this one though for about 2 seconds.
stldave on August 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM
My Gosh!..He’s so noble..so self sacrificing..so empathic, so caring for the welfare of the lumpen masses that he would inflict such a politically mortal wound to himself.. I now weep..weep in my foolishness of ever doubting his motivations of such a noble commie.
Itchee Dryback on August 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Exactly. However, at Harvard, affirmative action selections are allowed to use “wee-weed” to indicate ‘anxious’. I believe that a poetic use opf “wee-wee” in his essay was what got B Hussein an editor position on the Law Review. A later talk about “poo poo” is what captured the Law Review precedency for him.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM
See ya! http://i29.tinypic.com/6h4wwi.jpg
karlant on August 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Gibbs should go into or farming he has enough BS to cover 50000 Acres.
Col.John Wm. Reed on August 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM
He is not a leader. That is the bottom line. His machine runs him.
daddio on August 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM
he’ll be a one termer if he passes this hideous mess.
nina on August 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Go ahead, make my day.
Socratease on August 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Time to ram it through?
Obama must convince more Democrat congress-people for that to happen, and he hasn’t been able to do that. His own party is his largest problem with passage of his dream of a government-run healthcare system.
One term?
Right now I’m concerned with midterms. I think American voters are ready for a make-up call to fix their mistaken vote for Obama. Many have seen the light, and their numbers are growing.
Deflation will be evident just in time for the the next presidential election. Obama will go the way of Carter. The middle class is joining the top producer class in going Galt, which spells disaster for Obama and the Democrats. Low spending, low investment, tight lending, low tax receipts, and almost all the FED’s bullets are fired. Deflation is next.
At least he’s a pretty good war president so far. He’s staying the Bush course in Iraq, and escalating in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is easy now that the left is distracted by utopian dreams of sitting on it’s collective ass and and snorting up benefits. Afghanistan will be a real test by next year. What is Obama’s plan? What is his exit strategy? What constitutes victory?
We await his answers.
Meremortal on August 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM
He’s a National Embarrassment.
P.S. It’s not up to Slobama if he gets a 2nd term. That’s a done deal. He ain’t goin’ nowhere but back to Chicagoland. The quicker the better. Once these Czars are exposed it’s time to break out that old dusty Constitution to show that he has broken the Oath of Office and should step down or face impeachment. Or charges of Treason. He can pick his own remedy.
Key West Reader on August 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Weed-up, man! Obama’s smoking something.
HR 2493 bill introduced by Barney Frank in June 2009 would legalize 100 grams of marijuana through an Act of Congress for person use. That’s about 20 joints worth.
Kokonut on August 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM
He is expecting to be president for life.
But with all the protests at the town halls, I’m beginning to be encouraged that he won’t get away with anything like it.
Daggett on August 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM
LMAO!
Key West Reader on August 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Another lie. If Obama was willing to be a one term President he wouldn’t have push implementation of his health care “reform” back to 2013.Since it had to be rushed into law in 2009. He wanted to get “reform” passed now then run as the President who was able to bring the US health “reform”. He expected to be safely reelected in 2012 before Americans started losing their private health insurance in 2013 and are then forced onto the inferior government plan.Fortunately for us the American people changed his plans.
Hera on August 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I thought it was shameful enough when Obama started adding on “and stuff”to his speeches. Now we’ve got this Gibbs guy trying to explain “Wee-weed” to the media. How much more repugnant and repulsive can Obama get?
betsyz on August 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM
person use = personal use
Kokonut on August 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM
It’s a lie.
Priority #1 for every and any pol is getting reelected. Passing a public auction and then getting thrown out of office only to then have the next POTUS/Congress reverse all or parts of the whole thing doesn’t do anything for his lust for legacy. Except, I should say, for a negative one.
JoeinTX on August 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM
HA!
Obama has only yet begun. He’s counting on a 2nd term, to be sure.
Because, as Barackus Caesar said himself, “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!”
The hilarious part is, he’s shooting himself in the foot and doing more damage to his chances of reelection than any opposition could hope to do.
SilverStar830 on August 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM
“option,” not auction that is.
JoeinTX on August 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM
If it sounds like Karl Marx, acts like Benito Mussolini and stumbles like Bozo the Clown, it’s probably Barack Obama!
MB4 on August 21, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Get off the cross, Obama. No one’s buying it. No one at all. Narcissists can’t be martyrs; they aren’t wired for it. Try another approach. One more in keeping with the fact — which we all know now — that you don’t sacrifice yourself for anything or anyone. You are all about sacrificing others for your own gain.
Rational Thought on August 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I would not believe anything Gibbs said.
And all of The Annointed One’s statements come with an expiration date. Notice that nobody confronted The Annointed One about his early comments about government health benefits gradually removing private insurance. Including the “conservative” radio talk show host who drooled over the Divine Community Organizer yesterday.
IlikedAUH2O on August 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Five grams a doobie!?
Those must be some hellacious bombers yer smokin’!
100 grams of weed is closer to about 70-80 average sized joints.
SilverStar830 on August 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM
If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hopped.
Lehosh on August 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM
PASS HEALTH CARE THEN!
PASS IT NOW!
PLEEEEEEASE ANYTHING TO GET RID OF LIBERAL JESUS!
battleoflepanto1571 on August 21, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Hahaha. If Obama wanted to demonstrate any sort of intelligence regarding his use of infantile language, he should’ve said “zee zee’d” which is what little French kids call the act of urinating.
Shock the Monkey on August 21, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I’m not making that up either.
Shock the Monkey on August 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Also, allah, you are assuming that The Precedent has a brain. He doesn’t. He’s as dumb as a box of rocks, which is the only thing the US has going for it, right now.
Once you rejigger your analysis to take into account:
1) The Precedent doesn’t care about a second term.
2) The Precedent wants nothing but to bring as much chaos and pain to the US as possible.
3) The Precedent is a moron who couldn’t tie his own shoes and trips over feathers.
then everything will finally make sense to you.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I’d be almost willing to support healthcare if it would mean he’d be a seven-month President.
Sign and resign, that might be a fair trade.
NoDonkey on August 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I am sorry, but that sarcasm is just dripping all over my floor. Now I’m gonna need my carpets cleaned.
Shambhala on August 21, 2009 at 5:00 PM
He doesn’t speak French. Not even infantile French. I am surprised he didn’t whip out some Austrian, though.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM
If Obama keeps pushing he will be out on Jan 22nd 2011
izoneguy on August 21, 2009 at 5:02 PM
If I was Obama, I’d Gibbs right there.
BigGator5 on August 21, 2009 at 5:05 PM
I thought wee weed up was seventies drug slang for acting silly or dopey after smoking too much marijuana.
Fallon on August 21, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I think Obama may indeed be willing to be a one-term president if he can bring to pass the fundamental, structural changes that he and the left want, to transform America. But I don’t think it ever occurred to him that he might be a one-term president and not get any of those fundamental changes through. I have a kernel of hope that his combination of arrogance and inexperience may save the country from him.
ProfessorMiao on August 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Obama is willing to be a one-term president.
Sounds good to me!!
Khun Joe on August 21, 2009 at 5:08 PM
..and so children, there was a moral to this story: Laugh and the world laughs with you, wee and you wee alone.
betsyz on August 21, 2009 at 5:08 PM
hehe
faraway on August 21, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Can we get that in writing? It’s a little hard to just take his word at this point.
DrAllecon on August 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Did we take the Senate as well?
MarkTheGreat on August 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Gibbs is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob
Onus on August 21, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Only if we can recall most of the representatives and senators first.
MarkTheGreat on August 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I didn’t bother to listen to Bobbi,because I’ve come to a similar conclusion on my own.
Bambi doesn’t care if he is a one term POTUS,whether Obamacare goes through or not.His legacy as POTUS means nothing to him.Certainly the condition of the country when he leaves office is unimportant.The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS TO OBAMA IS THE FACT THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS,he will be able to say,”I was the President of the United States.”
In the immature Liberal mind,the only thing that matters is the action,not the results of the action.So,Bambi will run again,but he really doesn’t care if he gets re-elected,because… he was elected once.
This is the reason that Liberals don’t have clear set,well thought out goals and are always flip-flopping and back pedalling;because they just want the title,not the responsibilty that goes along with the title.Their goal is to get into the office,not to fulfill the office.
DDT on August 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Better clip here.
If you told someone ‘the clip you are about to hear is a healthcare supporter’ (or congressman or senator for that matter) and just played the audio it would be hard to tell the difference. Close your eyes and give it a shot.
“We are deciding. It’s under our control.” Sound familiar? And that’s only 15 seconds in…
Onus on August 21, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Poor fella’s probably getting bored. He’s been POTUS for 7 whole months now. He started to run for Senate immediately after being elected to state senate, and started to run for POTUS as soon as he was elected to Senate. He’s a rolling stone…
ProfessorMiao on August 21, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Looks like the Obamacare Martyr’s Brigade has enlistee numba’ two… Barack Throckmorton Obama.
Eric Massa D-NY was number one.
Drive that seat like you stole it!… well, you did didn’t you…
ted c on August 21, 2009 at 5:33 PM
It is a long time until the next election. A lot of people wrote Bill Clinton off but he came back. However, I don’t think that Obama is as smart as Clinton.
And I also don’t think that the economy will recover enough to help him that much..or if it does recover, it will be because of huge and crippling deficits. Sooner or later that debt has to be dealt with.
And this socalled health care takeover seems more like a power grab than reform..
Terrye on August 21, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Compare and contrast:
Obama: sacrificing his expected second term for the sake of the country
McCain: thanking Americans for the privilege of being an imperfect servant
txmomof6 on August 21, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I am willing to try to go on living with neither .
borntoraisehogs on August 21, 2009 at 5:55 PM
We’ll meet you halfway Gibby…One term and no health care :)
Rogue on August 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Five grams a doobie!?
Those must be some hellacious bombers yer smokin’!
100 grams of weed is closer to about 70-80 average sized joints.
SilverStar830 on August 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM
5 grams a J is extremely wasteful, unless you’re Bob Marley. Or a Democrat.
joejm65 on August 21, 2009 at 6:02 PM
This right winger will do my best make B.O. a one termer.
Its gonna take a big broom to clean up all the sh*t he leaves behind though, and probably a few prison sentences.
la.rt.wngr on August 21, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Which is strange… I had to learn two languages to finish my graduate degrees and French was usually the default option for most people.
Lehosh on August 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM
The hillarious part is…
That some are still viewing this whole charade as though it is politics are usual. Baffling, Obama would do such things that would harm his electoral chances! They must be really dumb, huh? Sure, really dumb people can ascend to the presidency, uh huh, yep…
THEY DO NOT INTEND TO ALLOW YOU TO VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.
Lex on August 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Translation: “I’m willing to join you under the bus I’m throwing you under….just not for another 3 years…”
yaah right
ted c on August 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Whether it’s true or not, one term might be in his future either way.
mizflame98 on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Remember when Barry said of health care: “This isn’t about ME!”
He lied. Again.
GarandFan on August 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Gibbs: Obama’s willing to be a one-term president to pass health care
Hey!… if we pass another week of Cash for Clunkers do you think he would consider maybe a one-year-term?
ronnyraygun on August 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM
The day after this passes…
‘the President was prepared to fall on the sword and be a one termer to do this….now that it’s passed, he has decided that the Country needs his leadership to continue and he will actively seek re-election in 2012′
tatersalad on August 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM
All this is, is CYA because he knows he has failed an WAY early what 3 1/12 yrs left! He’s done LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
xler8bmw on August 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Hey Sport. How ’bout being a one term president for trying?
darwin-t on August 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Why do you really think this guy is interested in 2 terms? He is interested in reshaping the constitution (which is to say destroy it in it’s current form) by creating tons of programs that will break our current system. He has the will, the programs (cap & trade, health care, stimulus, etc.) and the votes to do it. And, it will not take 2 terms to accomplish that.
I think some Conservatives look at the awfulness of this administration the same way some juries look at the sex offender they acquit. The crime they committed is just so awful that they can’t bring themselves to believe the guy actually did it.
Similarly with Obama, Conservatives think that what he wants to accomplish is so horrific that he just could’t really do it.
He can. He will. (Budget deficits just readjusted today from $7,000,000,000,000.00 to $9,000,000,000,000.00 as Obama wrings his hands.)
watson007 on August 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2009
As long as I can remember (back to 1960) the media has regurgitated the myth that Democrat presidents are the smartest people on the planet, while Republican presidents are bumbling oafs. The narrative is always the same; just the faces change. It’s a sad testament to Americas lack of attention that this lie still has traction.
And Gibbs is a worm. I miss Tony Snow.
SKYFOX on August 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Impeachment works. He will not have a second term at this point. You cannot lie, alienate over half the country and admit to incompetence and get reelected. Ask Mr Peanut.
dogsoldier on August 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Yeah, it’s all downhill from here, ain’t it?
Unfortunately, that also applies to America.
darwin-t on August 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM
If it becomes apparent to all the American people that Obama is inept is there a way to remove a sitting president for stupidity?
Herb on August 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM
They need to get his rear out of the White House before he does anymore damage. Just think how much damage he can do in four years. An inexperienced Senator became an inexperienced President and we will all suffer for it!
ljc7757 on August 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I remember this from the Truman years. Little edit for 2009.
Three thousand years ago Moses said to the people of Israel,pack up your camels and asses.
I will lead you into the Promised Land
In 2009 AD B.H.O said to the drones. Sit on your asses and light up a Camel. This is the Promised Land.
Farfed on August 21, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Bye, bye POTUS Wee-Weed and guess what no government health care.
oldyeller on August 21, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Maybe we can get surgery in Vancouver.
oops, maybe not.
http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=1878506&sponsor
gordo on August 21, 2009 at 9:49 PM
It is crazy to think I used to be upset about four years with Obama; now, I have lowered my expectations to minutes.
mobydutch on August 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I got a better idea, Gibbsy:
Health Care doesn’t pass and your boss is a 1 term President ANYWAY.
Works for me.
manofaiki on August 21, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I think that’s BS…the man’s ego is waaaaay too big.
On the other hand, if he can entrench his/their socialist agenda in one term, he could sit back and make millions like Slick Willy and still be part of the political scene.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 22, 2009 at 2:24 AM
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