Unbelievable: Lockerbie bomber gets hero’s welcome in Libya
posted at 8:25 pm on August 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
I’m giving you the CBS clip because it includes interviews with families of the victims, but for a full minute’s worth of the “triumphant” mood on the ground in Libya, watch Cavuto. There’s nothing unusual about this, incidentally: Palestinians notoriously celebrated on 9/11 and Lebanese rejoiced at the release of Hezbollah child-killer Samir Kuntar. It’s one thing to welcome home a soldier who fought enemy combatants; these people welcome home terrorists who mass-murder civilians. Pure, unapologetic savagery. Exit quotation: “He has … reported a feeling of isolation–cultural, religious, social and language. He has a strong sense of family duty.”
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i still think its imprudent
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM
The authorities who released this fellow had to have known that he was going to get a hero’s welcome the moment his plane landed; they had to have known the still gaping wounds of the familes of the victims of his crime were going to be reopened; they had to have known the almost universal condemnation that was going to be heaped on their heads for their releasing this unrepentant murderer, and their only reason for letting him go was so they could be “compassionate”?
What ever happened to having compassion for the victims?
Or does the fact that none of them no longer walks this earth bear any merit under this latest mockery of justice?
pilamaye on August 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM
who said all Christians are infidels?
ndanielson on August 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
They always win. Why doesn’t America drill for oil? Why doesn’t Britain re-open its railway system? You have to wonder if individual politicians have been bought off by our oil-rich enemies.
aengus on August 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Then quit crying like a little girl and learn to love this kind of $hit….
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
They are just following Islam.
2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don’t believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don’t be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.
MB4 on August 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
who the hell are you to say im crying like a little girl?
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Today the noble Scots betrayed their ancient sacred oath.
Nemo me impune lacessit
(No one attacks me with impunity)
/Eurabia slouches toward dhimmitude
Terp Mole on August 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Well did you expect any different? Bush threatened his life to get him to line up internationally, then Bush balked on Momar’s deal to get behind him and drop sanctions, and endorse his international dealings.
Momar and crew still hate Americans, and they applaud this bomber. Why is this such a surprise? Zerobama snubbing him because the man just isn’t a player…well, I’d snub the commie too, but that’s beside the point.
Spiritk9 on August 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Well they gotta find there heroes where they can, Lance.
manofaiki on August 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
This is another example of why treating terrorism as a “crime” does not work. We need to kill them not coddle them. The west is courting disaster and extinction with this strategy.
On a day filled with despicable stories this one stood out.
On that sour note I bid you fine folks a good night.
elduende on August 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM
all one needs to do is take a gander at a few Surat, Ibn Kathir’s commentary on the Qur’an, and some ahadith.
after that, if one’s mind is not changed, then they are ignoring everything
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Not me saying it… It’s your posts saying it….
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Well said. ‘Nite, elduende.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I didn’t say anyone has.
Yet.
But I’ve seen how the direction of a discussion on Islam and its, let us say, “ugly” side can turn terribly astray.
Obviously, I can’t control the debate. It’s not my site.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I’ll never forget one photo of Pan Am 103 that I saw at the time. It seems to have disappeared. It is nowhere to be found on the net. I’m surprised it was ever printed at all. But it was a photo of a woman, kind of portly, dressed in a blue track suit, completely intact, suspended in a tree.
Because of that man, this poor woman, who boarded a plane in London to fly to New York, ends up hanging like an apple on tree in Scotland – for the crime of being an American.
keep the change on August 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
because Axelturf has no shares in oil off our shores.
Ozprey on August 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
not getting into it with you.
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 9:00 PM
This is exactly what I expected to happen and is reason alone NOT to send him home.
My only consolation is that he will soon burn in hell, and while I don’t wish that on many people, he’s one of them. Christian forgiveness can only go so far with me.
Bob's Kid on August 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM
But it was a photo of a woman, kind of portly, dressed in a blue track suit, completely intact, suspended in a tree.
That photo, and the outrage about it being printed, is very famous. But I think it’s been relegated to the pile of photos we aren’t supposed to see because they inflame us too much, like the 9/11 jumpers (bless their souls).
MayBee on August 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
That’s true, when few of the males do anything more imaginative or productive than screw a camel once in awhile, you don’t have to do much more to find adulation.
NoDonkey on August 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
It certainly is a bit of a fashion overstatement.
PercyB on August 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Actually, I wonder how much of this is Islam and how much is it just tribalism/nationalism?
Yeah, I’m trying to spin something less sinister out of this.
Disgusting.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Shall we tally up some of Kaddafi’s hostage extortion booty for brutally prison raping five EU nurses?
EU $400 million (includes Bulgaria’s $57M ransom)
French nuclear deal (+ military hardware)
EU free trade (+ political normalization)
Brand new US Ambassador + date w/ Condi
An historic handshake and UN podium w/ Obama for Ramadan
Lockerbie bomber’s victory lap… PRICELESS
/oh yes, terrorism still pays… handsomely
Terp Mole on August 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Way to go Scotland – nothing like showing little kids and teens in the Middle East that if you kill 270 innocent people you get treated like a King.
Way to go Scotland you idiots.
gophergirl on August 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
No surprise here, that’s what sad. Long way to go.
brennan251 on August 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Sadly, by some sick and twisted logic, this will only cause them to hate Scotland even more.
29Victor on August 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Good, I dont want you to “Get in it with me”, I want you do GET in your local politicians FACE and send them on a permanent vacation.
Well, that and quit thinking that rational responsible citizens suddenly become irrational and irresponsible the second they attend a political rally.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM
empathy=1, justice=0
ndanielson on August 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM
No offense, but that doesn’t get it for me. I don’t believe in any hell that we don’t make for ourselves. We’re humans, and as such, this pusbag thinks he’ll go to heaven and suck allahs….I mean get all sorts of nice stuff. So if he’s aware enough, he will perceive that he gets exactly that.
It’s not “fair” but thats the way it works. What we humans should have done is make his every moment miserable, convince him that he will suffer eternally, only then would he expect it and get it.
Otherwise, blow his damned head off.
Spiritk9 on August 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Yes it is rather disgusting that you are trying to spin something less sinister out of this. This is exactly what Islam in all it’s gory, er glory is.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM
This guy brings my blood to a boil. This may be bannable. But I just wish a predator drone would get him as soon as he steps out of the plane.
FontanaConservative on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM
It is my strong belief that Bush would have been able to get Britain to not release this terrorist scum. And I highly doubt that Obama even made an attempt to keep this terrorist in prison where he belongs.
OxyCon on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Brace yourselves for Kaddafi’s triumphant Ramadan arrival in New York City in September;
/will he pitch his tent in Central Park?
Terp Mole on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Technically, we aren’t. We’re “people of the book” which qualifies us to live as second-class citizens (dhimi), as opposed to having our heads sawed off.
Buddhists, Hindus, Shintos, animists and every other sort of non-Abrahamic religion, they’re infidels.
spmat on August 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM
You’re right, I’m sure he didn’t even try. It provided yet one more momentary distraction from his fascist takeover of America, so he walks.
Spiritk9 on August 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Giving up bad boys to get oil contracts or other bones from Islam is done quite frequently by empty headed hubristic westerners. Don’t be so shocked and finish eating your Saudi smegma pie.
BL@KBIRD on August 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Clearly, that could never happen here!!
Oh wait:
Some more stuff:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB202/
AJB on August 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM
and we have the choice to live as dhimmis who pay the jizya
or have war made upon us
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM
So you know the one I’m referring to. It’s strange that with the internet where everything is available, historical photos are not. I have never seen one 9/11 photo of deceased person. 3000 people dead, and not one photo showing one dead person, or even a fraction of a dead person. Not one.
The media is very quick to sterilize murder. They know that such photos would arouse political passions in conservatives, and as such, they bury them. It’s sickening how all the photographers of 9/11, for example, have removed the visceral evidence of the hate crime committed against westerners.
keep the change on August 20, 2009 at 9:13 PM
My educated guess is that some of these celebrants are cheering out of tribalism or nationalism and not just out of religion. History shows that those motives are at least as strong as religion.
If this murderer had blown up an Egyptian plane and returned I think they (some/many) would have cheered him as a Libyan hero. Religion isn’t the only explanation for their cheers.
Second, I totally reject that “this” is all what Islam is.
The history of Islam is filled with a wide range of practices and attitudes and behavior. Many bad, some horrible but not all in those categories.
Many of Bernard Lewis’s works on Islam document this.
That’s a simple-minded person thinking.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Another arab celebration.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Who’d thought? A hero’s welcome for a mass murder by fellow Arabs… I’m amazed… So predictable. Sure to make young jihadis wanna follow in the animal’s stinky footsteps. May they all rot in a barrel of pig fat.
Friendly21 on August 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM
No, that’s Dhimni thinking…….
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Disgrace. Completely unacceptable. This guy should have been executed immediately, not given prison time.
What. A. World.
Richard Romano on August 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Hey, this guy’s got a definite future for a gig on MSNBC.He can be Odormann’s sidekick.
ppaint on August 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Moderate Christians are a majority. Moderate muslims ? not so much…
Jeff2161 on August 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Islam is not a religion. It is a political ideology (the formalization of desert arab culture) with an attendant mythology. Islam is just one more piece of the tribalism of the arab/persian/muslim world.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Tell his buddies he converted to another religion. Problem solved.
Jeff2161 on August 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM
That is why I believe in God. There is no justice in this world.
terryannonline on August 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM
I’ll stick with Bernard Lewis and you can stick with Robert Spencer.
As I said – care to respond? – if this murderer had blown up an Egyptian plane filled with Muslims and returned home, my guess is that he’d be welcomed as a hero.
Religion – Islam – isn’t the only explanation for their welcoming. Nationalism and tribalism – a sense of he’s one of ours – has as much a hold on people as religion does.
After all, Islamic/Arab countries have been killing each other as much as they’ve been killing infidels.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM
If you can handle the recovery images, they’re on YouTube (~1 min into the video).
/Christmas 1988: heartrending
Terp Mole on August 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM
So? Life is cheap to them and they love killing. But they love killing infidels the most.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM
This is why we keep a nuclear arsenal at the ready.
An entire nation of barbarians.
fogw on August 20, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Sorry, from my readings on the religion I just come to a different conclusion.
I may be wrong; but I think my sources – Bernard Lewis for example – are good ones.
I really don’t want to get side-tracked into a nature of Islam discussion.
Let’s just all agree that this is disgusting behavior by the Libyan people (or those welcoming him). Just appalling.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:22 PM
This administration is a joke, only it ain’t funny. But I laugh to keep from crying.
DougDavis on August 20, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Reagan would have intercepted him and he’d be in a federal prison. He did that when the Italians let the Achille Lauro Hijackers go.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Mass immigration renders nuclear deterrence useless unless you’re willing at some point to nuke your own cities.
aengus on August 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
What!?!?
We have to except the fact that Arab’s celebrate people who murder innocent people…on purpose!!!
I don’t think so. Why don’t you go back to dKos and talk about why Republicans are the real evil of the world, not these sick bastards.
Lance Murdock on August 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
well it is a religion in that it gives worship to a deity
but it is also a political and economic construct
blatantblue on August 20, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Quick! Let’s be nicer to them!
JohnJ on August 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Yea, you go ahead and stick with one of the biggest Dhimni Muslim apologists to ever live if you want, personally I think ole Bernard sucks camel balls.
Nor by the way do I get my information regarding Islam from Robert Spencer, I learned it the old fashioned way, by studying Islam first hand with my Arab Muslim roommates in college way back in the 80′s.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM
As Rahms pounds the table,thrustin his steak knife
screaming,I want them D_ _ d,D_ _ d,D_ _ d!!!
And thats how I want the Lockerbie prepetrator
demise to end up,in the words of Rahm Manuel!!
canopfor on August 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM
According to Liberals,
its,a Man Made Disaster!!
canopfor on August 20, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I can think of a couple that I wouldn’t miss.
TooTall on August 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Well, I can’t respond to that bit of eloquence.
How about my Egyptian plane analogy?
Don’t you think they’d be cheering him if he had blown up a plane filled with Egyptian Muslims?
Again, Islam/religious brotherhood isn’t, it seems to me, the only explanation for this disgusting display.
Let’s just move on and agree that this is awful.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM
I said tht it had an attendant mythology, but it is secondary to the aims of the ideology. Look, if commies started praying to Marx, or Lenin, that wouldn’t make Communism into a religion.
It is, at its core, political. Islam demands the power of state and is not much concerned with anything else. As I said above, islam formalized desert arab culture, added religious elements to try and steal some legitimacy that Mo saw in Judaism and Christianity (as he plagiarized from both of them, changed the words, and then called the Jews and Christians liars) but was foremost concerned with maintaining and ruling a growing land empire – which is not what Westerners think of when they speak of religions. Islam really has none of the traits that Westerners associate with religions, other than the most superficial.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Target Rich Environment.
Anyone who cheered this maniac needs one quick ride to a hot place.
profitsbeard on August 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
SteveMG
Your must have a huge heart of gold to be able to have such faith in the inherent good of Islam.
BL@KBIRD on August 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
http://site.outpost54.com/
izoneguy on August 20, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Considering the culture we’re talkng about, it’s all too believable I’m afraid.
Yakko77 on August 20, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Heh, and that is the problem.
http://bible.org/seriespage/no-god-allah-muslim-radicalism-and-new-islamic-sects
izoneguy on August 20, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Your failure to grasp Islam makes this a absurd question. The question is… Shi’a or Sunni. Knowing the answer to that question is the answer to your question.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM
No. I think they would be indifferent to that. Killing infidels is a different class of killing to them – one worth true celebration. Killing Americans is even above the run-of-the-mill infidels.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 9:39 PM
There never a cluster bomb or napalm strike handy when you need one.
Yakko77 on August 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM
My thoughts exactly.
highhopes on August 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM
With all due respect you are mistaken. Shi’a and Sunni love killing each other even more than they love killing Americans.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:50 PM
It’s strange living in this time. I wonder if the Romans, Greeks, and Persians felt like this when it all started to come apart.
DFCtomm on August 20, 2009 at 9:50 PM
It is my strong belief that Bush would have been able to get Britain to not release this terrorist scum. And I highly doubt that Obama even made an attempt to keep this terrorist in prison where he belongs.
OxyCon on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM
My thoughts exactly.
highhopes on August 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM
—————————————-
Oxycon:
Highhopes:And I also agree,on both points!
This stunt,is not ‘Leader of the Free World’
worthy,in my opinion!:)
canopfor on August 20, 2009 at 9:50 PM
All cultures are equal, right? None better than others. That’s what American students have been taught by liberal teachers for the last 3 or 4 decades. This makes me sick.
Next time some idiot (i.e. President Obama) tries to talk about the glories of Islam, religion of Peace, leaders of the Enlightenment, blah, blah, blah, just show them this video.
Any culture that responds like this to someone who cowardly blew up innocent men, women and children is perverted. Sick, Sick, Sick.
JohnInCA on August 20, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Wondering if any of the victims murdered on that plane had any terminal illnesses?
Libs are merciful to thieves, robbers liars and murderers while they torment and kill the innocent.
JellyToast on August 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Egypt and Libya are mortal enemies. They’ve gone to war against each other numerous times especially since the Camp David accords which Tripoli views as a betrayal.
Of course they’d be cheering him if he killed a planeful of Egyptians.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Yes, I glided over the Shiite/Sunni rift. My mistake. But, they still love killing Americans more, though sunnis killing shiites, or vice versa, would certainly be grounds for enthusiastic celebrations.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I am going to go out on a limb and bet that due to the fact “Frum” was unable to address any of you and Coldwarrior’s specifics concerning the post,resorting instead to the typical liberal “you’re a racist” line, that she will not address this celebration of murder at all.
Baxter Greene on August 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Your failure to distinguish among Muslims – not only the sects but within the sects – is your major error.
And your second mistake is to view this solely through the lens of religion and by doing so ignoring the critical role that nationalism and tribalism plays in world events.
Religious determinism, like economic determinism ignores the reality of how human beings actually behave. What motivates them, what drives them.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM
It goes beyond the sectarian split.
Camp David accords, for example.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Not gonna’ play.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Where’s a MOAB when you need one?
BallisticBob on August 20, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Wrong answer, on so many levels it’s not even worth addressing them all. Suffice it to say, I have studied Islam and am fully aware of the significance of it’s sects. I am also fully aware that Arab Nationalism means something entirely different to the Arabs than it does to you, likewise their concept of tribalism. What is rather glaringly obvious is that you do not understand what those concepts mean to them.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Go sit at the kiddie table, you dont know what you are talking about.
doriangrey on August 20, 2009 at 10:02 PM
If it were up to me I would have flattened the entire crowd.
FloatingRock on August 20, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Of course there are layers to this, which is why I always say “the arab/persian/muslim world”. But the fact is that the overarching glue in that world is islam and it defines the bulk of that group’s (and subgroups’) actions and reactions. The whole arab world hated Egypt after the Camp David accords. That was the only benefit of that moronic treaty, but that benefit has long since disappeared.
As to whether there would be huge crowds waiting in adulation because a libyan blew up a bunch of Egyptians, I doubt it. I’m they’d like it, but to get out and scream support and celebration is something else. Hamas and Fatah kill each other all the time. People on each side love it. But they don’t bother celebrating. But, when anyone kills an Israeli, that’s a whole different story. I’d say that is the closest to your hypothetical that we can actually see in reality.
progressoverpeace on August 20, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Not gonna’ play.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Heh…don’t blame you. Defending Islam is like describing Obamas accomplishments back during the election.
BL@KBIRD on August 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I’m wondering what fruit from the ‘Unintended Consequences’ tree this seed will spawn……?
Seven Percent Solution on August 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM
The Camp David accords between Begin and Sadat and the closer ties between Israel and Egypt has played no role in past Egyptian/Libyan animosity?
Do you read any history?
Wikipedia is a shaky source but it’s the best I can do on short notice: Egyptian-Libyan War.
SteveMG on August 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM
And, Obama fails again.
profitsbeard on August 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM
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