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Reid to split ObamaCare for reconciliation?

posted at 12:55 pm on August 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Harry Reid has a new backup plan for using the reconciliation process for ObamaCare, but it still suffers from at least one of the problems that made it a bad idea for the entire bill.  According to the Wall Street Journal, Reid will split the bill to break out the most contentious budgetary portions of ObamaCare for the reconciliation process, while keeping the portions that garner the most support in a separate bill that has to pass a cloture vote.  While that may solve the issue of parliamentary procedure, it won’t solve the issue of Republican reaction to getting steamrolled on ObamaCare:

The White House and Senate Democratic leaders, seeing little chance of bipartisan support for their health-care overhaul, are considering a strategy shift that would break the legislation into two parts and pass the most expensive provisions solely with Democratic votes. …

Most legislation in the Senate requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, but certain budget-related measures can pass with 51 votes through a parliamentary maneuver called reconciliation.

In recent days, Democratic leaders have concluded they can pack more of their health overhaul plans under this procedure, congressional aides said. They might even be able to include a public insurance plan to compete with private insurers, a key demand of the party’s liberal wing, but that remains uncertain.

Other parts of the Democratic plan would be put to a separate vote in the Senate, including most of the insurance regulations that have been central to Mr. Obama’s health-care message.

That bill would likely set new rules for insurers, such as requiring they accept anyone, regardless of pre-existing medical conditions. This portion of the health-care overhaul has already drawn some Republican support and wouldn’t involve new spending, leading Democratic leaders to believe they could clear the 60-vote hurdle.

Even the Democrats are unsure what they can and cannot squeeze into reconciliation.  The taxes and subsidies look like they could qualify.  The WSJ lists an expansion of Medicaid as a legitimate reconciliation item, but that’s stretching it, although perhaps not to the breaking point.  Individual mandates, a ban on insurers using pre-existing conditions as a disqualifier, and a cap on out-of-pocket expenses for the insured won’t go through reconciliation.  They’re unsure on a public plan, co-ops, and exchanges, but those are not budgetary items; they’re new programs.

This still won’t work, however.  First, the individual mandates are likely to get filibustered, which makes the non-reconciliation package a dead letter.  If the public option gets into the reconciliation package, the Republicans will still erupt in outrage, and will grind the Senate to a halt through the use of objections to unanimous consent.  It matters not whether a bill gets offered in either track — it still needs unanimous consent to dispense with bill reading and other procedures which would take weeks or months to complete, with no other business allowed onto the floor.

Plus, how will the Senate and the House reconcile these bills in committee?  If the final version of the bill comes out of conference as one piece, Republicans can still filibuster it — and they will have company if it includes a public option.  Reconciliation doesn’t solve that problem at all.

Moderate Olympia Snowe warned about using reconciliation:

“At a time when we need to bolster the public’s confidence in whatever we do with health care, I don’t think the reconciliation process will serve the purpose of providing affordable health security for all Americans,” she said.

And if Snowe feels this way about it, how will Jim DeMint, Orrin Hatch, Tom Coburn, and others react?  It doesn’t take more than one angry Senator to stop the upper chamber in its tracks, and reconciliation will create a lot more than one or two.


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Fiddling to gin up the base.

rob verdi on August 20, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Despicable Democrat.

johnsteele on August 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM

If it comes to this comprehensive reform is most likely dead until after the 2010 mid-term. And hopefully the results of that election seal its doom for the near future.

rob verdi on August 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM

No matter how many ways you slice this thing. It isn’t apple pie and it stinks to high heaven!

upinak on August 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Spit!

fbcmusicman on August 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Note to everyone in public office….LET IT GO! GIVE IT UP! MOVE ON!

milwife88 on August 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Hope your right that this can’t work, Ed. But it seems to me they snuck through the Hate Crime (Censor Those Who Object to Homosexuality) bill in the Defense Appropriation bill and hardly anyone said anything.

Christian Conservative on August 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Go ahead jackass, pass your socialist healthcare manifesto. Then, over the next 4 years we can throw everyone of you out of office and repeal all of your garbage legislation. The people do not want this left wing trash.

rplat on August 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM

They are going to ram it down our throats, whether we want it or not. My goal will be to make them pay for it with their cushy taxpayer supported jobs. People who voted for Obama who have the good sense to feel shame…I don’t even know what to say to them. I don’t want to hear any whining from them, they bought into this travesty. Why do the rest of us have to pay?

TXMomof3 on August 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Why do this at all if the American people just love the idea of OgabeScare and the ‘rats think the scheme is the best thing since sliced bread was invented?

“See little chance of bipartisan support”….WTF? They don’t need the GOP to pass this.

Bishop on August 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM

“At a time when we need to bolster the public’s confidence in whatever we do with health care, I don’t think the reconciliation process will serve the purpose of providing affordable health security for all Americans,” she said.

Of course, Snowe is going to vote for whatever is presented so she’s at best an interested bystander in the discussions.

highhopes on August 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM

All of this “hardball” rhetoric comes back to Obama’s disastrous decision to float a trial balloon too early about ditching the public option. Now its about convincing supporters to donate money and fight for him so he has leverage in the fall.

rob verdi on August 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM

The socialists have come out of the closet.

They are loud and proud and just don’t care what you peasants think.

At this point it is just words….just speeches…..

We don’t buy it and we know what you are up too.

Please remove your Trojan Unicorn from my America.

izoneguy on August 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Wow, this brilliant split approach does the trick for me. Government Health Care– count me in!!!

p.s. I love Big Brother.

Bat Chain Puller on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Hey, when stocks split, thats good. So this must be good too. What’s on The VIEW today?

portlandon on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Bishop on August 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM

It’s more of a bipartisanship of no support for it.

FontanaConservative on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

It isn’t apple pie and it stinks to high heaven!
upinak on August 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Upinak, where I come from, it would be called a “pasture pie.”

marybel on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

When the Dems lose Olympia, they have got real problems.

myrenovations on August 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Bishop on August 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM

As long as Kennedy and Byrd are lingering on this side of eternity, but not able to be wheeled in in public to press a finger to a button or raise a hand, Reid only has 58 votes.

Wethal on August 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM

portlandon on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

MegMac is on, or will be on that show. And AllahPundit will most likely post about it.

(source: Allahpundit’s twitter)

FontanaConservative on August 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Another trial balloon folks. They’re simply wearing down your willingness to protest by floating any possibility in front of you, just designed to wear you out. don’t fall for it.

ted c on August 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM

We need to crush this plan in its entirety and only accept a plan that removes government and advances the free market. Anything less should be fought intensely.

The Federal government has NO Constitutional authority to run a health care plan or system. None! If we can’t or won’t draw a Constitutional line in the sand here and now we have effectively surrendered our liberty because the Federal government will feel it has the authority to do whatever it has the will to do.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

DerKrieger on August 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM

OT…….

He’s on the boob tube again, broadcasting with some radio dude about ObamaScare.

He is in Bash Bush overdrive.

Knucklehead on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you require a company to accept all applicants without driving UP insurance costs to consumers? Isn’t this entire exercise about lowering my health insurance cost?

DrW on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Mr. O seems to have backed himself into a corner. He can’t retreat w/out losing his only real supporters, and he can’t go forward for a variety of reasons. I’m enjoying seeing it play out.

JiangxiDad on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Where’s the outrage from the MSM on this? Isn’t this far worse than Bill Frist threatening to eliminate filibusters for judicial appointments?

To me, this is the real “nuclear option”, and based on what the Republicans have said so far, you can count on some serious “nuclear fallout” too.

Chris of Rights on August 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Isn’t this entire exercise about lowering my health insurance cost?

DrW on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Nope.

myrenovations on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

What do the Liberals think we’re going to do if we lose this battle? Do they think we’re going to just go home and sulk and then accept this huge step towards totalitarianism? If so then they are fools.

DerKrieger on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Upinak, where I come from, it would be called a “pasture pie.”

marybel on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Ahhh good analogy! I will have to remember that one. :)

upinak on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

It doesn’t take more than one angry Senator to stop the upper chamber in its tracks, and reconciliation will create a lot more than one or two.

If the Dems try this, we will move from the era of 60 votes to pass a bill in the senate (not the founders intention) to uniamous. Not good for the Republic.

WashJeff on August 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you require a company to accept all applicants without driving UP insurance costs to consumers? Isn’t this entire exercise about lowering my health insurance cost?

DrW on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The “public option” plan, funded with taxpayer money, will underbid the private insurance plans, and eventually drive them out of business, because the public plan will have the cheapest rates (and can go for more taxes to keep them low.) Or so the Dem thinking no doubt goes.

Wethal on August 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM

From the Ted Kennedy change the law thread….

Transparency, honesty, bi-partisan, co-operation, new way, change, no more old style politics, listening to the people, responsive to the people, reaching across the aisle, etc.

The White House and Senate Democratic leaders, seeing little chance of bipartisan support for their health-care overhaul, are considering a strategy shift that would break the legislation into two parts and pass the most expensive provisions solely with Democratic votes.

You asked for it, you got it…

right2bright on August 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Hey Ed, better late then never…

right2bright on August 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Upinak, where I come from, it would be called a “pasture pie.”

marybel on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Roadapple pie.

Daggett on August 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM

If they use reconciliation you can pretty much count on the government not getting anything done until it gets flushed out in the next 2 election cycles.

These morons are just too full of themselves. Some think they have a mandate, and they do not. Others don’t give a damn either way and just want to implement socialism in every aspect and this is the doorway for them.

Just say no….

Spiritk9 on August 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM

The Federal government has NO Constitutional authority to run a health care plan or system.

DerKrieger on August 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Brand me an eternal optimist, but I can easily see Obamacare being the “High water mark” of Statism.

Chainsaw56 on August 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM

What do the Liberals think we’re going to do if we lose this battle? Do they think we’re going to just go home and sulk and then accept this huge step towards totalitarianism? If so then they are fools.

DerKrieger on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

They think that you’ll be far too busy filling out forms and jumping through hoops for your high blood pressure treatment that you’ll be too tired to work up more outrage.

myrenovations on August 20, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Isn’t this entire exercise about lowering my health insurance cost?

DrW on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

No. This, together with cap-and-trade, is about government controlling every aspect of your life.

Daggett on August 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Reid is a toad

Hey guys check out this 3 min “Silent No More” video

deedtrader on August 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Shhhh Harry, if we put a little bit of poison at a time, into the foolish old man’s evening milk, Nancy, he’ll never get wise to our devious trick of doing a little evil at a time, until it’s too late for him to stop it.

Don L on August 20, 2009 at 1:21 PM

DrW on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Hopium.

chemman on August 20, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I want somebody to tell me how Congress can mandate anything to insurance companies that are state-regulated, without repealing the McCarran Act. They most certainly cannot repeal an existing statute through reconciliation.

rockmom on August 20, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I’m watching the interview while listening to Rush. Judging from the lies on the screen caps, Obama still believes the American people are stupid.

kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Obama still believes the American people are stupid.

kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM

He did get elected.

thomasaur on August 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM

OT…….

He’s on the boob tube again, broadcasting with some radio dude about ObamaScare.

He is in Bash Bush overdrive.

Knucklehead on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM

That would be Michael Smerconish, completing his sellout to the left. But the White House is crowing that he is a “conservative” talk radio host, and this shows Obama is “not afraid to talk to conservatives.” Unbelievable that Smerconish would let himself get used like that, but he does have a gigantic ego.

rockmom on August 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM

thomasaur on August 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Yeah, huh. Have you seen Cranky today? Or did he get banned yet?

kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM

YES!! But why on earth would the dems agree to be the only party voting to impose a trillion+ budget on the American people? Do we really think they would go it alone on this budget buster when it has worked out so well for them on the Porkulus bill?

Really. Reid is just stupid if he thinks we are going to fall for this hooey!

cab8505 on August 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM

He did get elected.

thomasaur on August 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Well, technically, some guy named “Anybody B. Bush” got elected. Obama just did a good job of convincing people McCain was Bush.

Daggett on August 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Reid will split the bill to break out the most contentious budgetary portions of ObamaCare for the reconciliation process, while keeping the portions that garner the most support in a separate bill that has to pass a cloture vote.

So, how could any member of the senate in good conscience vote for either bill?

in good conscience

Never mind, I answered my own question.

Vashta.Nerada on August 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I’m confused, wouldn’t this simply cram the public plan and the high costs and increased taxes down our throats with nothing else to show for it? This is pretty much the exact opposite of what the American people want.

cadams on August 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Just heard Rush playing Paul Shanklin’s Bye Bye American Lie. Obama saying he drove his chevy cross the country to put up the lie. But the good old boys showed up saying this will day that it dies, this day Obamacare dies.
It was too funny! Hope it’s true!

Christian Conservative on August 20, 2009 at 1:27 PM

For the first time (almost) I see these people thinking they are royalty. They don’t care a wit about what we think. They know with all the gerrymandering they are safe in their districts. Look at palosi, boxer, bawney, most of the reps in New York, or Illinois. Well, my rep isn’t safe. I hope we are thinking of running some great repub and get rid of this blue dog.

Bambi on August 20, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Yeah, huh. Have you seen Cranky today? Or did he get banned yet?

kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Moonbat’s don’t get out of bed until at least 1:00 pm.

Knucklehead on August 20, 2009 at 1:30 PM

I will be ready to support any candidate that vows to undo this mess that they are going to ram through. If I were an advisor to a Republican presidential aspirant for 2012, I would encourage them to aggressively posture themselves as the antidote to Obama’s ruinous plans, because a person who runs on a platform of rolling back this stuff will do very well.

exceller on August 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I’m confused, wouldn’t this simply cram the public plan and the high costs and increased taxes down our throats with nothing else to show for it? This is pretty much the exact opposite of what the American people want.

cadams on August 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM
You aren’t confused. They just don’t give a rat’s fart.

katy the mean old lady on August 20, 2009 at 1:32 PM

But the White House is crowing that he is a “conservative” talk radio host, and this shows Obama is “not afraid to talk to conservatives.” Unbelievable that Smerconish would let himself get used like that, but he does have a gigantic ego.

rockmom on August 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Then why didn’t he go on with Rush or Hannity instead of some guy nobody’s heard of?

This last couple of days has been especially disgusting. The filthy liar in the White House has wrapped himself around NASCAR, conservative talk radio, and religious organizations. The bastard wouldn’t have done any of that outreach if his healthcare plot wasn’t in such trouble.

highhopes on August 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM

“They don’t like us. We’ve maligned and alienated them insufferably. What can we do to win them back? …I know. We’ll cheat!!

Jim Treacher on August 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM

STOP OBAMA AT ALL COST

Kini on August 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Just what is it about “NO!” that ol’ Harry doesn’t understand?

ncborn on August 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM

My “Candidate” the un-Obama.
Bumper sticker:
Un-Obama
Or
2008 election…can we have a do-over?
or
Hillary, hit the reset on the election
or
If I wake up, will Obama be gone?
or
Obama, a wet dream for liberals
or
Isn’t it time to make another “Change”?

right2bright on August 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM

What do the Liberals think we’re going to do if we lose this battle? Do they think we’re going to just go home and sulk and then accept this huge step towards totalitarianism? If so then they are fools.
DerKrieger on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

They forget that they are dependent Producers and Achievers going along with their own enslavement.

Chainsaw56 on August 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Michael’s new name is now officially “Squishy Smerconish”.

kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM

As long as Kennedy and Byrd are lingering on this side of eternity, but not able to be wheeled in in public to press a finger to a button or raise a hand, Reid only has 58 votes.

Wethal on August 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Quickly pass a law that requires a pulse be present before a vote is counted.

Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Quickly pass a law that requires a pulse be present before a vote is counted.

Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I think they could do better than that. Require the politician touch their toes and count to ten before being allowed to vote. That would disqualify Teddy Kennedy on two counts, considering he hasn’t seen his feet since sometime in the 1970s.

highhopes on August 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM

If so then they are fools.

DerKrieger on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Peaked under the toga, and YEPPERS, they are fools.

Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I think just about every small-business owner, everyone who’s self-employed, just about everyone not covered by a large corporate, union, or government insurance plan would agree there’s a lot wrong with our health insurance system and reform is needed.

Problem is, the GOP doesn’t want to touch it and every time the Dems take it on they come up with some massive statist fiasco that makes the issue radioactive for a decade.

I’m hearing sanity from a few Republicans and a VERY few Democrats. But Obama, the House Democrats, and Senators like Reid are all standing around peeing in the pool and it’s unlikely anyone will really want to get back in.

JEM on August 20, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Upinak, where I come from, it would be called a “pasture pie.”

marybel on August 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Ahhh good analogy! I will have to remember that one. :)

upinak on August 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

In your case it would be a heaping, steaming pile of fresh moose turds. Close enough?

Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Quickly pass a law that requires a pulse be present before a vote is counted.
Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM

How about a law that requires brain activity – That’ll eliminate most of their votes altogether!

Chainsaw56 on August 20, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Just what is it about “NO!” that ol’ Harry doesn’t understand?

ncborn on August 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM

The “N” part and the “O” part. The rest is perfectly clear.

Seriously, the left is in quite a quandry. The filthy liar in the White House has made this into a zero sum game. He needs to pass something and call it healthcare reform even if it is, in reality, nothing more than a house resolution recognizing March as Q-Tip appreciation month. Team Liar has spent 178 days on this, far longer than expected, and the prevailing attitude now seems to be to get something out of the door and move on. There’s amnesty for illegals and and elevating homosexuality from devient lifestyle choice to state-mandated acceptance bills to write before the elections.

highhopes on August 20, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Democrats playing with our life and death…sad.

d1carter on August 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I wonder what the fool living in the Red Shack thinks will happen if they force this abortion on the country.

elduende on August 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM

How ’bout you split the bill into eight parts, one for each point in John Mackey’s WSJ piece (CEO of Whole Foods), write about 20 pages on each, throw the rest out, and put each part out for an up-or-down vote?

I grow increasingly skeptical of these “comprehensive reform” scams — it doesn’t matter if it’s immigration, healthcare, the economy, whatever….if it’s “comprehensive”, it’s chock-full of cr*p.

cthulhu on August 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Ann Coulter has a great article on the lies of Obamacare:
link

Christian Conservative on August 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM

What if Reid’s strategy is just a head-fake to his liberal members to get them to give Obama a “healthcare reform” victory while letting the more objectionable bits sink or swim on their own?

Also, what would happen to your private insurance premium when the insurance company has to accept pre-existing conditions? Simple answer: it goes way up. Not a little, but a lot. Calculating the cost of adding 10% to your insurance rolls of customers who have known conditions is child’s play to the actuarians employed by health insurance companies. They’ll know day one how many they will get and what exactly it will cost the rest of us. You will have the choice to pay it or go buy insurance on the open market.

Immolate on August 20, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Come on Reid. DO IT! Use the nuclear option! Then watch business in the Senate come to a standstill.

GarandFan on August 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM

OMG! Anyone listening to Rush today? He just played his version (actually Paul Shanklin’s) of American Pie again. “The Day Obama Care Died”. Best line in the whole thing is “we used to be treated like King and Queen, with Michelle in her borrowed sweater from LL Bean”. It is hilarious! I’d post the link, but am sure it is not up on his site as I believe today is the first day he has played it.

Wishful thinking that Obama Care would die.

Susanboo on August 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM

“They don’t like us. We’ve maligned and alienated them insufferably. What can we do to win them back? …I know. We’ll cheat!!“

Jim Treacher on August 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Ayup.

di butler on August 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Sen. Reid looks like he is really needs to cash in on his health care package.

MSGTAS on August 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM

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