Poll: Obama 47, Huckabee 44
posted at 3:35 pm on August 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
That’s within the margin of error, kids, the first time Huck’s been that close despite consistently leading the GOP field in PPP’s polling on hypothetical match-ups with The One. They’ve posted extensive crosstabs for him, Mitt, Gingrich, and Palin; among the most striking numbers is Huck scoring a 61 percent favorability rating among conservatives versus just 49 percent for Romney. Mitt’s never going to shake the RINO label, is he?
He’s not the big loser in this poll, though.
Huckabee is not the most popular candidate among GOP voters though. While 66% of them have a favorable opinion of him, 72% have a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin.
Palin’s overall numbers have seen a pretty steep decline in the last month though. Two July surveys we conducted actually showed her numbers slightly improving from pre-resignation announcement levels, to a 47/45 spread. That’s now dropped to 40/49. Among Democrats she’s gone from 25% with a favorable opinion of her to 15%, and among independents she’s gone from 45% to 37%.
In her head to head contest with Obama, Palin is down 52-38 after her 51-43 deficit a month ago had been the closest we have measured for her to date.
Until this, the trendline in her favorables was upward. I don’t know how to explain PPP finding that she’s nosedived since late July, unless all the media screeching about her “death panels” comment is resonating with the public — which would be strange, given that public support for ObamaCare has been sinking steadily ever since she said it.
A revealing piece of data:
Huckabee rates positively with every educational group; Mitt is narrowly in the negative among college grads but otherwise positive for every group from high school grads on up. Palin’s numbers, by contrast, track steadily downward starting with high-school grads, where she has overwhelming support, up through grad-school grads, where she’s overwhelmingly opposed. I don’t know how to explain that, unless the media image of her as a know-nothing has stuck and this is a snapshot of how different groups react to it. And if it is, I don’t know how she begins to undo it. Exit question: Does mounting conservative disgust with Obama make Huckabee more viable as a nominee? Every time I post on him, the Huck-haters in the comments vow that they’ll stay home, won’t donate to the campaign, etc etc etc, but after three more years of Hopenchange I’m thinking you’ll be at the point where we could nominate Meghan McCain and you’d all be out knocking on doors. Second look at Huck?
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Yes. Someone doing a lot of the same things as Obama but with an R behind their name.
myrenovations on August 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
More info here
After the ususal “first in nation” states; Alaska, North & South Dakota, Nebraska, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho will vote. All will be easy wins by Palin.Norwegian on August 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Thanks for the link!
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Watch Obama be at 40% approval come 2012, and Republicans still Huck it up.
V15J on August 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
I will vote for whomever is running against Obama. I will not stay home. I will not throw a “he’s not conservative enough” hissy fit. I will do everything in my admittedly small power to see that Barack Obama is tossed on the ash heap of history come January 2013. There is nothing more important in the political arena to me then that the world see America unequivocally reject European-style socialism. Better a RINO who loves this country and her people then a left-wing democrat who despises it — and us.
Rational Thought on August 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Palin gave a tremendous convention speech, is intelligent, and fired up the conservative base to overcompensate for the lack of enthusiasm that McCain generated.
Where does Palin go from here? Her persona is either loved or hated. She has been portrayed as weird, stupid, and has been successfully caricatured as such by Saturday Night Live, and other liberal journalists.
Her resignation of Governorship in Alaska is a bad political move, and can be used to show her inexperience and lack of character. (I don’t agree with that sentiment as she was fending off thousands of dollars of inane lawsuits).
sDs61678 on August 20, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Good point. Even if we had a RINO, he couldn’t possibly be worse than Obama. Or hate his own country and half of its population.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Opprinnelig fra Eidsvoll, men bor i USA nå. Har slekt i Møre og Romsdal (Bud og Volda). Siden du er på HotAir antar jeg at du vil stemme på FrP i September? Hvis ikke vil jeg foreslå du prøver deg på mer venstrevridde nettsteder…
Norwegian on August 20, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Huckaphony?!?! Nooooo… this feels like ’08 all over again.
indiekole on August 20, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Did you read this thread in its entirety?
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:37 PM
I will vote for whomever is running against Obama. I will not stay home. I will not throw a “he’s not conservative enough” hissy fit. I will do everything in my admittedly small power to see that Barack Obama is tossed on the ash heap of history come January 2013. There is nothing more important in the political arena to me then that the world see America unequivocally reject European-style socialism. Better a RINO who loves this country and her people then a left-wing democrat who despises it — and us.
Rational Thought on August 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
strong>Touch’e!
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Unnskyld…. I am sorry, I had to verify Spenol’s claim of Norwegian ancestry.
Norwegian on August 20, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Where does Palin go from here? Her persona is either loved or hated. She has been portrayed as weird, stupid, and has been successfully caricatured as such by Saturday Night Live, and other liberal journalists.
Her resignation of Governorship in Alaska is a bad political move, and can be used to show her inexperience and lack of character. (I don’t agree with that sentiment as she was fending off thousands of dollars of inane lawsuits).sDs61678 on August 20, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Textbook “concerned” troll! Note to self, ignore all further postings.
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 6:41 PM
This is shaping up to be like 2004 for the Democrats, where the hatred for Bush was not as motivating as the support for Bush.
The GOP needs to produce a candidate who people love, and not simply someone Anyone But Obama.
sDs61678 on August 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Ah, I see. I will follow suit.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Udderly agree. Carry on.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Ander:
Nothing wrong with that. If she can boost her independent, libertarian credentials, she can win. That’s part of why she quit as governor.
To recap:
“liberals” (=socialists): 35%
libertarians, independents: 35%
conservatives: 30%
modifiedcontent on August 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
LMAO! Good one, Loxodonta! (Inside Norwegian joke)
Norwegian on August 20, 2009 at 6:45 PM
OK.
Nei, jeg skal ikke stemme på Norges GOP i september. Jeg er nok mer moderat enn som så.
Når det gjelder Hot Air, er jeg her for å underholde meg selv. :)
Spenol on August 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Please tell me that Hot Air is not turning into the right’s version of Kos. If you dislike my analysis, than provide your own. I am simply stating my observations as I see them.
If what I said was so far off, than you wouldn’t be simply trying to call me a “Troll”, and discount my thoughts. Clearly, something I said hit close to home. Save your lack of logic for Huffington Post or Kos…don’t spread it here.
sDs61678 on August 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I think Huckabee would be a good pick. I like Palin, but this is not her time.
What about Huck and someone like…Petraeus on the ticket.
Huckabee/Petraeus 2012?
doctor horton on August 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM
V15J:
Again:
“liberals” (=socialists): 35%
libertarians, independents: 35%
conservatives: 30%
The choice that counts is between socialism and liberty.
modifiedcontent on August 20, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Nope. I said earlier, I’d vote if he was on the ticket, because I don’t want Obama. But in the primaries, no way. I can think of half a dozen other potential candidates before him.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Couldn’t vote for Huck in the Primaries, but definitely in the general.
Dudley Smith on August 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Palin Still has 40% after all the smears
what other GOP could do that????
battleoflepanto1571 on August 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I wonder if some liberals identify themselves as conservatives when they are polled to skew the results. They would go for a RINO, just like McCain, to demoralize the base.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Huck is a squishy mod
he banned all soda and chips in schools. And tried to ban smonking everywhere EVEN on your own land
battleoflepanto1571 on August 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Yup.
You know, I am really disgusted with those people polled who say they would vote for Romney over Obama, but not Palin over Obama. What the hell?
If the independents are truly disenchanted with Obama because of his spending, corruption, socialist power grabs, etc… why the hell say you’d vote for Romney or Huckabee over him, but not Palin? It makes no sense.
If our “fellow Americans” are that stupid or prejudicial, I’m ready to join the bloody secessionist movement. I’ve had it with living in a country full of morons who can’t think for themselves and are that self destructive.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:54 PM
If you’re only here to entertain yourself, please behave and mind your manners. Even in Norwegian. Thanks.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM
I’m not sure which horse I would back yet, but I defintely think Tim Pawlenty is going to end up being very much in the thick of the race once the time comes. I like to compare him to Romney, since they both ran in fairly unfriendly states (Mass much moreso than Minn, obviously). My big concern with Romney is that I think he caved too much. It’s a tough spot for him, I understand, and he has to campaign a certain way to, you know, actually win there. I get that. I was willing to look at him again in the primary, because I understand that stuff. Then he starting handing out big dollars to Michigan, and was selling catastophic event insurance in Fla…and he lost me again. He is pigeonholed in my mind as a guy that says whatever he needs to.
Pawlenty obviously didn’t have it quite as tough, but Minn is not easy to win either. As far as I can tell, he held up much better than Romney in steering that state a further to the right than would have been possible otherwise. I don’t believe Huckabee held the line as well, and he was in Arkansas. I don’t know that the guy would be the darling of those that are focused on the social issues, and I don’t know that he’ll be darling of the more libertarian minded, but I don’t think either would reject him out of hand. Maybe I am misreading that though.
He’d have to organize and campaign well, but if he got momentum he could rise fast. If he got to that point, there is a geographical appeal there that will help things snowball in his favor. He would be best positioned to do things in some key midwest states that the other guys simply can’t. If he works himself in the middle of the picture, the geographic electoral picture is going to count for a lot.
A long way of saying that Pawlenty rarely gets mentioned in these conversations, but I think he’s going to eventually be right there.
stldave on August 20, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Well he better get some vocal chords, because it seems that Palin is doing all the heavy lifting in fighting this adminstration’s policies. If he continues to be silent in this battle, I won’t even consider him when he decides to run.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Spenol is probably a product Spenol himself uses quite often… Just sayin’
Norwegian on August 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Where I come from, it’s considered bad manners to speak another language in front of people who don’t know it if you can speak one they do know.
Or don’t they teach manners to you Eloi anymore?
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Well, let’s just keep that to ourselves for the moment, if it behaves. But if it trolls the site, we can always explain to everyone exactly what Spenol has been doing with cows.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Udderstood.
Spenol on August 20, 2009 at 7:03 PM
atheling:
Because they view here as the conservative base candidate, as someone who’s against their libertarian, urban values.
The “liberal” media have succeeded in defining her that way and her own supporters like to view her that way.
modifiedcontent on August 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Ah, I see. I will follow suit.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Also note the sDs moniker, Students for a Democratic Society possibly?
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM
I agree with you. The more I learn about him, the more I like him. He has a lot of time to get the exposure he needs. We don’t need an overexposed and overanalyzed candidate but one who has a strong voice, strong convictions and can hold his own in a debate.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Pawlenty is doing a good job comparing ObamaCare to RomneyCare. He just needs a little more publicity.
myrenovations on August 20, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Good.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Then they are stupid people.
They would rather choose an inept, corrupt, lying, profligate socialist over someone with a track record of patriotism, small government, limited spending and reform?
They are too stupid to live in a free republic, and deserve their impending slavery. That’s why I’d rather join the secessionist movement than spend another minute as compatriots with such idiots.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Pawlenty is a great VP candidate from the standpoint of being a very nice guy and a somewhat savvy pol. He’s not in the charisma business, though, and putting him up against Mr. Hype and Polish (Barry O.) will make Pawlenty look about as fun as Ben Stein in The Wonder Years.
I like Pawlenty — but not as a Presidential pick. Certainly would be a great VP choice for the GOP in ’12 but the ranks are thin so Pawlenty might end up winning the derby, which in itself wouldn’t be a bad thing but the GOP needs to fight razzle with some dazzle even if Barry is unpopular.
FWIW, I firmly believe Palin has no shot politically in ’12…she shot herself in the foot by resigning early and to me, that’s a sign of a quitter and not a real fighter for change. I know that’ll rock the boat with some of the Palinites here but I’d rather my candidates the type that will roll up their sleeves and take charge, not run off because they couldn’t effectively worm their way through a political minefield.
Dickie Dunn on August 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM
I see.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM
If and when Huckabee announces, he will become the liberal media play toy. They will ensure that the only voice heard will be his and will drown out all those they fear.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
You obviously have swallowed the media meme as to why she resigned, and did no deep thinking into the matter, nor pay attention to the facts. More fool you.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM
If the GOP dishes up the Huckster for 2012, then it will be a good year to be a third party candidate.
And I say that as no big fan of third parties. But this theocrat is as bad in his own special set of ways as is Obama.
I can only hope that their is some Senator, Governor or Congressman currently running under the media radar that is sound option. That, or Palin.
Mutnodjmet on August 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Maybe I misread you, but is this your view of people who aren’t on board with Palin as president?
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM
You did misread me.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Thanks, my apologies. I thought it sounded a little strong.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
With a few exceptions, I really don’t care to elect a Senator or Congressman for President. Historically they have not fared too well. Before this current disaster, JFK was the last elected President from either house.
Usually a governor or mayor, or some other executive type does better in the Executive office of our government.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM
It was strong. I am referring to those who would vote for Obama over Palin. Please re-read what I wrote.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Hardly.
My first thought when she resigned was of extreme disappointment. I know about the legal fees and legal BS she’s dealing with up there but she can, if she wanted to bad enough, work within the system to make those necessary changes to the law to prevent the BS legal challenges from continuing.
By her leaving, she’s pretty much cashing in her political capital for more money from the speaking circuit and from a book deal. It’s a huge disservice to the state that elected her governor by not serving out her term and working to change the culture of corruption in a very corrupt Alaska politic. To me, it’s a way of letting her political enemies win the war and a coward’s way out.
It’s hardly the material of a presidential candidate and more the material of someone who is not ready for prime time.
Dickie Dunn on August 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Post of the day!
Throw in Liz Cheney as the Veep and I’d crawl across a thousand miles of broken glass to vote for that combo!
gary4205 on August 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Now think about what you just said. A sitting governor, who is being slammed with ethics complaints, decides to “change” the rules so she won’t be hit with them. What appearance does that create?
Again, you fail to think deeply on the matter. She SERVED her state by resigning because she couldn’t govern properly when too much of her time and state money was being spent on said complaints. Do you have any facts on this matter? From what you’ve stated, it’s apparent that you don’t.
Concern troll. Bye, bye.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM
True. It will also be about the time I toss my televisions onto concrete.
myrenovations on August 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Concern troll. Bye, bye.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Thank you for dealing with that, It was a struggle resisting the temptation. You got it outta my system for me. I doff me cap!
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I’m not on board with Palin but I wouldn’t cast a vote for Obama. There’s ample time for all republican candidates to position themselves for the race of 2012. The state of the economy in two years will determine a lot of their direction.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM
So Sarah Palin, you say, is a quitter. Well that quitter got the Senate to drop ‘death panels’ from its proposed bill. I would say that is the mark of a champion and not a quitter.
technopeasant on August 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM
How many of those ethics complaints were bogus? She could have gone out there and slapped the Dems around about it, said that there are more important things in Alaska to focus on, and work to do those things. Reagan was good in the regard of using the “there you go again” meme to go after his adversary.
Palin was willing to spend more time post 2008 election in the States and not actually work in her own state. She’s serving her people?
Again, if she cared about fighting about the stupid ethics complaints she would have fought them tooth and nail. Instead she let her political enemies win. Honestly, the cost from these investigations to Alaska should have been used as a rallying cry by Palin and her supporters to shut the ethics BS down..
It’s one thing to lose the Nixon route and walk away from the game after electoral defeat or have setbacks ala Reagan in losing the ’76 primary but Reagan never resigned his governorship — he fought the Dems in California tooth and nail for four years.
Palin? She chooses to walk.
If there was family pressure for the decision to resign, I would be more sympathetic to the decision for her to leave. From the way she based it, she’s still a quitter.
I won’t vote a quitter for President. If it comes down to Mr. Pres(id)ent (Obama) versus Ms. Quitter, I’ll vote 3rd party and not have to hold my nose to do so.
Dickie Dunn on August 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM
As Tammy Bruce said, Sarah Palin is the 101st Senator.
portlandon on August 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Meow. HSSSSSSSSSSS
Don’t vote for her in the primary.
All fixed.
portlandon on August 20, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Folks check out the poll at the Economist also released today.
For you GOP primary watchers Sarah polled a 78% F with Republicans, a 76% F with conservatives and a 44%F with indies.
Then check out the PPP poll and you will see that Sarah leads among Republican favorables:
Sarah Palin 72
Miks Huckabee 66
Newt Gingrich 56
Mitt Romney 52
That’s right; Sarah leads Romney by 20 points among Republicans
Sarah also leads among conservative favorables:
Sarah Palin 68%
Mike Huckabee 61%
Newt Gingrich 52%
Mitt Romney 49%
That’s right-Sarah leads Mitt by 19 points among conservatives.
Do you think those numbers are going to change anytime soon?
technopeasant on August 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM
With the type of sentiment in the country now – mobilized masses. A yearning for someone who values the constitution and reject government intrusion. Can challenge Obama in the organisation and media stakes. Had a good showing in 08′. I don’t get why Ron Paul hasn’t been mentioned. As Ann coulter said the main gripe with him was his railing of the incumbent and anti war message which didn’t fly in 08. I’m no RonPaul advocate but I don’t see why it hasn’t been a logical choice. Bobby jindal has fallen off the radar it seems too. Depending on the mood of the country in 2012. I predict huck vs jindal or palin vs Paul. Newt will be in the picture regardless
PunditFight on August 20, 2009 at 7:36 PM
You are welcome, sir. :)
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Ron Paul’s foreign policy philosophy scares me. He is an isolationist, which tells me he is not living in reality, as ICBMs have been around for a while.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Cabinet dealing with domestic issues, particularly reforming Congressional practices.
Jindal already announced that he will not run. He is going to run for re-election as LA governor.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I’ve got a theory about that. It seems to me that people often want in their next President whatever it was that the previous President was not. For example, in 08′, much was made about Obama’s “soaring rhetoric” and his ability to move and inspire the masses. Well I think that was a big appeal to the independents because they had just spent 8 years hearing everybody mock W for his unpolished verbal missteps.
In 2012, I doubt that’s going to pave the road for Obama. He’s leaving all kinds of openings out there. For one, he’s in constant campaign mode and outsourcing much of the gritty (and unpopular) work to Pelosi and Reid. People are already saying in polls that they are seeing too much of the guy. His strength is likely to be a weakness in 2012, or at least not much of a strength anymore.
I think the best way to counter him is going to be to have someone that has a record of digging into the details and fighting the battles. I suspect people will practically be begging for it. Obviously it’s better to have someone that can speak than cannot, but that probably ought to be pretty far down the list by 2012. Having someone who can outcharisma Obama isn’t going to matter for near as much as many think. Charisma isn’t going to fire up the base on our side. Obama has already done that for us, and he ain’t about to stop. That’s just my opinion, anyway.
stldave on August 20, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I think you’re wrong on that count. First off, Obama’s “charisma” is manufactured. He is simply a con man with the right colored skin. Charisma will fire up the base, and from the poll data of the base, who do you think fires them up?
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Good grief, can’t we have a law that there will be no presidential polls until after the midterm election prior to the presidential election.
Barring that, can’t we just ignore such pointless drivel until it has some semblance of mattering (yes, which is what I’ll do right now).
jarodea on August 20, 2009 at 7:45 PM
When the chips are down and it’s time to do something that can make a difference, if you choose to vote third party instead of voting for Sarah Palin, then you’re the one who’s the quitter.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Sarah Palin…..able to write two words on Facebook and change the national debate AND force the Senate to drop something every democrat/communist on the planet sword to God didn’t exist.
When you find someone else that has that sort of national juice, wake me up. Elsewise all of these idiotic polls are meaningless.
If Sarah Palin WANTS to be President (and who knows at this point) Sarah Palin will BE President. It’s no more difficult than that!
Forget POTUS and TOTUS The Real Power In America is LOTUS!
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/forget-potus-and-totus-the-real-power-in-america-is-lotus/
gary4205 on August 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Correction. I don’t think he can reform Congress as a Cabinet member, so mea culpa, that was wrong. However, I would like to see him reform Congress within its framework.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM
LOTUS. Heeeheeee, I like that!
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 7:48 PM
One can put personal conviction before political party and not lose sleep at night.
Dickie Dunn on August 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM
I like your opinion :). The base is fired up against Obama, it’s the middle section I’m worried about. We need a candidate that appeals to their reality as well. I agree 100% with you that people will be begging for real talk and no spin.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:51 PM
You just described my sentiments towards Huckabee. I’m not the biggest Palin fan but I don’t even think she will announce she is running, so the whole thing may be moot.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 7:56 PM
This can only be a good sign. New site up a couple of houers ago.
http://www.iamsorryivotedforobama.com/
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 7:59 PM
For example, in 08′, much was made about Obama’s “soaring rhetoric” and his ability to move and inspire the masses. Well I think that was a big appeal to the independents because they had just spent 8 years hearing everybody mock W for his unpolished verbal missteps.
To which I can only reply,
Eloquence, at its highest pitch, leaves little room for reason or reflection, but addresses itself entirely to the desires and affections, captivating the willing hearers, and subduing their understanding.
David Hume
Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 8:04 PM
I wish I could take credit for the LOTUS blog itself, but I’m reduced to just blogging about! :-)
gary4205 on August 20, 2009 at 8:04 PM
I really wanted Jon Huntsman to run…I thought he would have given Obama the most trouble politically in ’12.
Dickie Dunn on August 20, 2009 at 8:08 PM
If you guys force Huck through the primaries, I am either staying home or voting for Obama to cancel someone else’s vote out.
jhffmn on August 20, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Huckabee as the nominee is such a nightmare scenario, thinking about it makes FREAK OUT! The guy is RINO to the core, i dont understand how he has so much street cred with the base. His a phony and the last person i would want to lead the Party.
I truly believe he would turn off so many people after campaign saturation that he couldnt beat a community organizer after 4 years of disaster….
He is one of those guys who seems good in a dark bar after a few beers, but wake up in the light of the next morning and “oh no, what i have done?” will be the mantra of our walk of shame…..
alecj on August 20, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Admittedly, I knew nothing about him until he was nominated as ambassador. From what I read, he appears to be very accomplished. Taking the ambassadorship was a nice compliment to his career. But who knows, he may pull a Judd Gregg and be back stateside sometime next year.
And I do hope that someone will emerge to give Obama political trouble. Next year will be very telling as to who may take the top spot on the ticket. We shall see……..
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Your read on Obama will be more widely held in 2012 than it was in 2008, which is at least part of the point I was trying to make. I think the base is going to more interested in who is going to steer policy in their direction, and still win, than who can whip them into a frenzy. Obama is going to take care of the latter himself.
Either way, don’t read into all this that I don’t like Sarah Palin. I do. I’d be much more likely to vote for her in a primary than I would Romney or Huckabee. I didn’t like that she left the governorship, but it isn’t a dealbreaker for me – we’ll see what she does the next couple years. I’m not picking a horse yet.
I just jumped in initially because I think people are vastly underselling what Pawlenty’s role in this could be. He never gets talked about much, and I suspect he will be when it starts counting. But it is so early that, really, who knows how it will unfold? I’ll be honest…a few months ago I could have easily been behind Sanford and look where that would get me now.
stldave on August 20, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Reagan had worse polls and people were saying worse about him in 1977. Palin will be just fine.
bill30097 on August 20, 2009 at 8:27 PM
There are lots of potential candidates for the Republican presidential nomination. And you can advocate for them all you want. But if they don’t run and don’t win, then you’re left with a choice.
If you live in one of the states that is locked one way or another, it really doesn’t matter whether you, yourself, either sit it out or vote third party due to your own conscience. But if you live in a state that’s close, that could go either way, then I hope you would vote for the Republican nominee. Whoever that person is, will be the only one who can defeat Obama and will be a far superior president.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM
ROFL!!! This is one of the comments:
Don’t know if it’s for real, but it made me LOL.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 8:39 PM
You are aware, of course, that Ronald Reagan was not governor of California at any time after early 1975, aren’t you? If he had any battles with the Democrats in California after the 1976 campaign, it was as a private citizen.
Yet another “principled” loser. And it expects to be admired for its fidelity to principle.
trfogey on August 20, 2009 at 8:42 PM
huckabee is a rino. period!
sonnyspats1 on August 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM
He’s BSing. He’s a concern troll.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM
“Second look at Huck?”
Totally. Assuming T-Paw and Daniels decide not to run.
Marco2010 on August 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Yeah, because nothing like that is happening right now.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Yes. Huckabee, Palin, Romney and perhaps even more are all RINO.
RINO: Republican is NOT Obama.
Loxodonta on August 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM
I like your new definition. :) The other one was getting watered down, like racism and boycott.
sherry on August 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Everyone keeps mentioning Tim Pawlenty. Why? I am serious, why?
I did a deal looking at Sarah’s twitter activity, just for fun after she resigned, within a couple of weeks, she had 5 times as many followers as before.
I have no idea what that means,BTW.
I also looked at some of the so called “front runners” as well.
Pawlenty, who is Governor of a state with a LOT more people in it, and yet he only 6500 followers at the time. Sarah has almost 30 times that many!
In fact, she had more people following her that T-Paw, Jindal, Romney, Huckaphoney, and my Governor, Rick Perry, combined, with about 50,000 to spare!!
Again, I have no idea what that means, but it sure doesn’t make me think anything positive about T-Paw’s chances.
That, and he didn’t do anything while Al Franken and ACORN stole the election.
Pawlenty would be a Dole or McCain redux. Might as well not even run the race.
I’d like to think we could put up a head of lettuce, or George Bush’s dog, Barney, up against Obama in 2012 and slaughter him. And frankly, we probably can, but electing another weak suck moderate ain’t gonna cut it.
People already hate the democrat/communists, if we put up some democrat light nimrod that is not going to advance our cause one ounce.
There is only one viable person out there who has actually put her entire career on the line to go after Obama. She threw caution to the wind. She went for it.
And so far, she’s scoring hits against Obama that no one else can. Two words on Facebook did what all the ranting and raving by the rest could not.
I want someone with an intimate knowledge of the Constitution. Someone who understands what our founders were trying to achieve. Someone who has actually balanced budgets, and shrank government.
Please tell me where I’m going wrong here.
gary4205 on August 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
You’re not. She has emerged as the leader of the base. She is the only one who is going after Obama’s policies and being heard and winning the battle.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM
atheling and Archimedes,
You guys label anyone who says anything different than what you want to hear about Palin as a troll. Maybe it is that they are simply stating their opinion. Reality will sort it all out in the future-maybe you will be right and maybe you will not. (the same is true for people with different opinions than yours).
Which is the strongest ticket against Obama/Biden or Obama/Clinton?
sDs61678 on August 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Who is the strongest top of the ticket for the GOP? and Why?
-Romney, Huckabee, Thune, Pawlenty, Palin
Who is the weakest top of the ticket for the GOP? and Why?
-Romney, Huckabee, Thune, Pawlenty, Palin
sDs61678 on August 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
My 2 cents:
Won’t be Huckabee, no way…no how.
Palin owns the base. There are people out there who would take a bullet for her. Is there any other wannabee that can make that claim. If she wants it, it’s hers. If she doesn’t want it the real fun will be in watching all the wannabees begging for her endorsement and support. This is going to be fun either way, and we’ll end up with a candidate mirroring Sarah Palin’s principles.
bestwins on August 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM
That is false.
You have a paucity of facts which ill informs your poorly thought out opinion.
That’s why I dismiss you.
atheling on August 20, 2009 at 10:14 PM
I will not be pulled into the same goddamn choice, they are both part of the problem. The system has to change. We need a third party with a small platform.
Dissolve the IRS, flat tax, state’s rights.
joshlbetts on August 20, 2009 at 10:18 PM
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