MSNBC on race-baiting gun segment: Um, we were speaking “generally”
posted at 4:10 pm on August 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
Er, yes. That was precisely the problem. So lame that it barely qualifies as spin:
Following the shot of the African American man focusing specifically on the gun, MSNBC host Contessa Brewer said that “you have a man of color in the presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists or to their legs.”…
[B]y raising the racial issue in this context, bloggers claimed that MSNBC was purposely misleading viewers by not showing that at least one African-American man has also carried a gun to an event.
An MSNBC spokesperson responded to POLITICO: “Contessa was speaking generally and not about that specific person with the automatic weapon.”
Indeed she was, even though the presence at the rally of that specific person — which was withheld from MSNBC viewers — undercut her general thesis that the gun display was motivated by racial paranoia rather than libertarian principle. This is really just an extreme version of the media “forgetting” to mention who’s really responsible for those Obama/Hitler signs at town halls. The sin in that case is one of omission in order to further the “Republican mob” narrative; in this case, they went a step further and actually trimmed the video to support their race-war storyline. And the best defense MSNBC can offer for it is a Larger Truth/fake-but-accurate non-answer. It’s one thing when the media doesn’t report things that should be reported, but when they’re actually doctoring facts to better tailor them to their ideological agenda? I don’t know where we go from here.
Update: Oh my:
On behalf of the nearly half million members of Americans for Limited Government — and tens of millions of other equally appalled Americans of all races nationwide — I hereby demand the immediate termination of Contessa Brewer, Toure, Dylan Ratigan and any and all others involved in any way with the fraudulent “news” that ran in the 10:45AM segment of your August 18 broadcast.
You network has besmirched the dignity and honor of American people. You have endangered the life of the President of the United States. You have purposely fanned racial tensions. And you have deliberately lied to your own audience.
Update (Ed): I agree with ALG on this one. We complain about Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, but they engage in opinion journalism, so we expect to get wild arguments and leg tingles. What they don’t do is deliberately distort source material in a manner this blatantly dishonest in order to artificially inflame racial tensions. Opinion journalism is legitimate; this is nothing but propaganda.
MS-NBC should fire everyone involved in this deception, in front of the camera and behind it. It has a decision to make as to whether it is a news and opinion channel, or a propaganda outlet for the Left. There is a difference, and this segment crossed it.
Update (Ed): My friend Tommy Christopher says that our silence on the allegation that a conservative talk-show host “put him up” to carrying the gun makes us the equal of MS-NBC on this point. I strongly disagree. The man made up his own mind to carry the weapon to the town-hall forum, and his motivation was rather obviously not race. The entire point of the Brewer segment was that the guns were an explicit representation of racism in America as a significant part of the opposition to Obama, an argument which the uncut footage would have rendered ridiculous. This is about MS-NBC lying about their footage to make a point that simply isn’t true; how does the talk-show host have anything to do with that? It’s a red herring.
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Del Dolemonte on August 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM
That’s one of the reasons the Liberals raise my blood pressure. All of them, especially Obama, just pull stuff out of their rear and present them as facts and are stuns when you dare question them about their statements.
kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 5:15 PM
stuns=stunned
kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Yeah what a classy bunch these two are. Why can’t you take a jab at MSNBC without flattering these two degenerates? Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews have been engaging in artificially inflaming racial tensions forever while being of course dishonest in the extreme. Anything they say on a subject is nothing but propaganda. It’s true that Brewer crossed the line here by playing along doctored tape, but so what?
Have you been watching MSNBC at all? Who else has such a serious decision on their hands? Daily Kos? Think Progress? Media Matters? As far as I know they haven’t doctored anything BTW, so does this make them “news” and “opinion” outlets?
Alexey on August 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Wow. I took a couple of swats at Bleeds Blue and hit the Submit Button. Both of them bled off and got lost in the deep blue of cyber space. Spooky…
Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM
“An MSNBC spokesperson responded to POLITICO: “Contessa was speaking generally and not about that specific person with the automatic weapon.””
The AR-15 is NOT an “automatic weapon”. It is a semi-automatic rifle.
They can’t even keep their agenda out of their spin.
Solly on August 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM
You mean like this pulled-from-the-rear crap?:
Rod on August 20, 2009 at 5:22 PM
obvious racism in SOME sections of the anti-Obama movement
The only place this “obvious racism” exist is in your imagination. If it’s so obvious why can’t you provide a link on video or opinion piece with this “obvious racism” from any conservative.
Alexey on August 20, 2009 at 5:25 PM
So, the Black gun toter was duped by Whitey? Acted against his collectivist interest? Does this make him an Uncle Tommygun?
Maquis on August 20, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Rod on August 20, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Perfect example. If the facts don’t back you up, use generalities and make it an ad hominem argument.
kingsjester on August 20, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I read the link within the link of Mr. Tommy that you provided, showing the interview with the local radio talk show host who set up the 2nd Amend. display. Reading about all the precautions they took, going to the local police department first, etc, seems to prove that none of these people had ANY mal-intent in displaying firearms at a Presidential event. Strike two against Brewer et al at MSNBC.
Well, maybe strike 200.
MississippiMom on August 20, 2009 at 5:29 PM
This latest example of media vulgarity supports the premise that it is those on the left who are not ready to have a black man in the WH.
tkinTX on August 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM
*cleans up spat water from desk*
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Just what is needed, second amendment police. Where’s your brown shirt?
Wade on August 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM
The feds should just bail out or subsidize MSNBC, like Dan Rather wants. Might as well make it perfectly clear where MSNBC’s loyalties are. Those of us paying attention certainly know.
Vinron on August 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I’m more worried about the politicians lying about what they want to do to our economy, than someone carrying a gun in a holster in plain view.
lorien1973 on August 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Well, I think it was poor timing inviting controversy that would distract from the real topic (Obamacare), but what he did was legal and within his rights. So I support what he did for that reason.
Daggett on August 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I think Tommy Christopher should listen to this:
Chris B Hour 1
Chris B Hour 2
mad saint jack on August 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Likewise, there are not a few individuals (a significant number appear to be at MSNBC) who blatantly abuse First Amendment rights.
Their rights to Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech should be revoked due to these abuses.
Right?
malclave on August 20, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Buy GE stock! You probably already own it and don’t even know it. Own a mutual fund, participate in pension plan, chances are you own part of GE.
If you own GE stock write investor relations and complain about MSNBC & NBC, it’s your right as a shareholder, ir.contacts@corporate.ge.com .
If your 401k, IRA or pension owns GE, write them and complain! GE stock is down, way down; it got below $6 from a high of over $30! They had to decrease their dividend. MSNBC is costing you money because FOX is beating them in the ratings!
Start a shareholder grassroots revolt against GE to change MSNBC. Most of GE’s shares are held by institutional buyers, they won’t like hearing from angry shareholders and they are the ones who can force changes at GE/MSNBC.
bubbadog89 on August 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM
These are the same folks that have a self-righteous meltdown over Sarah Palin’s description of “death panels”. Palin is a private citizen, offering an opinion, MSNBC doctors a video while claiming to deliver “news”.
DaMav on August 20, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Great, I had to listen to all 4,minutes 40 seconds of Rick Sanchez to understand the context of the TMP slur. Nobody put the guy up to it any more than any other protester who goes to a protest.
That was a partisan reach and there are easier instances of that hypocrisy on the other side.
MC, stay the heck away from if auto sears float your boat.
There are so many others things out there with much more beauty than an auto sear.
cozmo on August 20, 2009 at 5:46 PM
I am sure this type of reporting will be the ‘evidence’ needed for Obama’a civilian secuity force………
……. MSNBC is just following the script.
Seven Percent Solution on August 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM
The true fact is the man with the guns was black not white.
A more appt description, notice how one little fact is left out.
A man carrying an AR-15 rifle outside the Phoenix Convention Center where President Barack Obama was speaking today has renewed concerns about protesters bringing firearms to presidential events.
Neatly dressed in a white shirt, black tie and gray slacks, the man, who only gave his first name as Chris, also had a pistol holstered at his side as he engaged in heated debates with those rallying in support of Obama’s heath-care reform plan.
“It is extremely disturbing that you have that kind of weapon in close proximity to where the president is,” said Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.
Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man’s back pocket.
If you see the picture this is a good civilian description of the Black guy in the picture.
Odd, Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official, who served a tour of duty in Iraq miss I.D’ the rifle.
It’s an M-4 Carbine not an AR-15.
http://guns.yfa1.ru/eng/index.html
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 5:52 PM
The libs just can’t help themselves.
Bishop on August 20, 2009 at 5:52 PM
They were probably flagged for moderation. If they’re approved they’ll show up later but buried back when you originally posted them, so a lot of people won’t notice them.
FloatingRock on August 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I don’t believe you two know each other. Hyperbole, meet cozmo. cozmo, meet hyperbole.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Que?
What do you mean it’s ran by Team Obam…….never mind.
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Liars.
Y-not on August 20, 2009 at 5:55 PM
That happens to me when I let a moderated *** censored *** word in the post. I just hit back, adjust the language and resubmit.
Can’t help but to curse when talking to/about liberals though damnit.
Spiritk9 on August 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Wild guess here, you failed all your history classes?
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Very nice.
Cindy Munford on August 20, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Oh I see,she was speaking generally. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Hystercal!
MCGIRV on August 20, 2009 at 5:59 PM
You mean like overstating the capabilities of certain firearms to push forward an agenda?
cozmo on August 20, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Don Imus called Contessa Brewer right a few years ago on his MSNBC morning radio show that was televised. He said not only was she clueless, she had no sense of humor and she had a fat ass. She didn’t care for the comments, and never returned to his show. No loss.
bradley11 on August 20, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Are you kidding? Dan Rather taught me that all weapons are automatic. He never talked about any other kind.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 6:07 PM
MSNBC’s mission is to aggressively promote left-wing propaganda. Period. They don’t give a tiny tinker’s damn about anything else. The only option for us regular schmoes is to boycott anything GE and NBC related as much as possible. They are a threat to the republic.
Django on August 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Well that’s a keeper.
How ’bout remembering your hyperbole crack next time you beat somebody about the head and shoulders for not describing a firearm the way you decided it should be described?
And did you disassemble that guys rifle to make sure it wasn’t an assault rifle, or even full auto?
No one else claimed to have. And the guy carrying it wasn’t giving out that info.
cozmo on August 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM
I know what you mean. After Dan I just sat there and waited for that lever to do it’s thing, automatically. Missed a lot of deer that way. ;-(
Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Beg your pardon? I’ve never done that. I’ve beaten someone about the head and shoulders for not calling something by its proper name, but by a common misconception, and then maintaining that it didn’t make a difference. Willful ignorance is annoying, as are people with grudges on the intarwebz. I try to ignore such people when they pop up. Let me demonstrate.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Time to start reenforcing that reality distortion field pal, it’s about to take a beating.
Hairy leftists have dogged Bush for, oh, the entirety of his presidency. Want pretty pictures? Have at it.
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM
That’s because you weren’t clean it. Clean your gun, and you’ll find it will go off. Somehow that magically always occurs, even though cleaning always seems to require disassembling that renders the weapon unable to fire. Hm.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Lying is an art form, best practiced by pros.
tarpon on August 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM
fox is covering this now – Bret Baer
faraway on August 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM
[Citation Needed] Your lies fail.
1. I’m not nervous about people exercising their constitutional rights. The only people who need to be nervous are tyrants and those that enable them.
2. Why is the race of people bringing weapons to these events so important to you?
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 20, 2009 at 6:33 PM
So many examples that you have to edit video of a black man carrying a gun to prove the point?
Scrappy on August 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Take your best shot, my friend.
CXheers
Bleeds Blue on August 20, 2009 at 6:41 PM
+!!!1111ELEVENTY!!@1!1
Ugly on August 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Remember how Glenn Beck’s advertisers pulled their ads because what he said was devisive?
I think the NBC advertisers deserve a letter-writing campaign (and botcott) if they don’t yank their ads from NBC.
Especially GEICO and Wal-Mart.
jaime on August 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Now MadJack ya can’t just call em liars without better evidence than a lack of a photo of the “other guy” with an AR-15.
The reporter did say he had info from the DNC on the “other guy” with an AR-15.
Here’s how that DNC guy described that “other guy” with an AR-15, who’s name oddly enough was also Chris. But not the same Chris as the black guy Neatly dressed in a white shirt, black tie and gray slacks.
Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.
“Neatly dressed in a white shirt, black tie and gray slacks, the man, who only gave his first name as Chris, also had a pistol holstered at his side as he engaged in heated debates with those rallying in support of Obama’s heath-care reform plan.
Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man’s back pocket.”
See that’s COMPLETELY different than the Black guy named name Chris who was Neatly dressed in a white shirt, black tie and gray slacks, with a pistol holstered at his side and an AR-15 on his back, a magazine in the firearm and another in the man’s back pocket.
See the difference!
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Racist, racist, racist, racist, racist. See, that proves that you are a racist.
Johan Klaus on August 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM
So, Franks, Dodd, Waters, acorn and Obama are Repubs? Could’a fooled me.
Johan Klaus on August 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM
I know. I know. These lefties have me so-o-o-o confused.
So, it’s not loaded guns that kill people, but empty people that kill people? And if they are empty, liberal people, they go off half cocked?
Yoop on August 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Uhm, too easy.
So does their silence on the allegation that
Little Green men
Little Gray Men
Men in Black
Vulcan mind control
Left wing talk-show host
MSNBC
CNN
ABC
Obama
Clinton
Bush
Cheney
Hillary
The “Other” voices in his/her/other heads made him do it!
makes them equal of MS-NBC on this point.
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Amazing how that happens.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM
FIFY… and just out of curiosity… are “half cocked” people now considered a Handicap group? or do they all just take Extenze?
Romeo13 on August 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM
An AR-15 COULD be a fully automatic weapon, cept then it would be called a M-16 and not an AR-15.
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM
DSchoen, the M4 IS an AR-15, it is a version with a collapsible stock, and shortened barrel. The Ar-15 is a modular weapon, it is often configured with different furniture, and in different calibers and barrel lengths, but they are all considered AR-15s.
M-14 2go on August 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Has anyone identified the dark-skinned owner of this AR-15? I’ve got a gut feeling that this whole deal is trying to make an excuse to pursue new gun control legislation.
Browncoatone on August 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM
But it would still have AR-15 stamped on the side.
The only way to tell one from the other technically is to open it up and check out her innards.
I don’t remember the laws, not current any more, but there could be some parts unique to the M-16 in an AR-15 without breaking the law.
cozmo on August 20, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Careful those guns could jump out all on their own and shoot ya/s
CWforFreedom on August 20, 2009 at 8:17 PM
True but that wasn’t my point.
The M4 Carbine is a family of firearms tracing its lineage back to earlier carbine versions of the M16, all based on the original AR-15 made by ArmaLite.
As I said Ruben Gallego description of the guy with the “AR-15” was good for a CIVILIAN.
Most people would not know the difference tween an AR-15, M-16 or M-4 carbine.
Ruben Gallego, the DNC guy as in “Arizona Democratic Party official” who also claims to be a military veteran who served a tour of duty in Iraq.
I’m skeptical about the truthfulness of Ruben Gallego the DNC guy as in “Arizona Democratic Party official, military veteran who served a tour of duty in Iraq, who can’t tell the difference tween an AR-15 and a M-4 Carbine?.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
DSchoen on August 20, 2009 at 8:30 PM
MSNBC … lame as ever
J_Crater on August 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I would bet, if we had some serious interest in investigating the people bringing the signs, that the majority of them are put up by the unions, disguised as normal protesters.
Think about this, you have the union thugs showing up, there’s a picture of Obama with the “N” word underneath it, and these union thugs take no offense and say nothing to the person. Does that rank on the normal scale of credibility? It only would if they knew the person was a plant and were told to leave him/her alone.
bflat879 on August 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Nothing about this on O’Reilly tonight. I’m kind of surprised.
Daggett on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM
MS-NBC is sooooo busted! Brewer and everyone involved should be fired.
TN Mom on August 20, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Talk about journalistic mal-practice to damage race relations.
rob verdi on August 20, 2009 at 9:20 PM
I just went on to whitehouse.gov to send a comment about how the White House is deliberately trying to incite violence in the U.S., citing the MSNBC article
I wasn’t initially going to be quite that confrontational, but you know those “type these words in the box” forms? The whitehouse.gov page had them.
The words were “militias” and “organizations”.
malclave on August 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I don’t know who promotes more racism – ignorant blacks (and yes, racism comes from ignorance) or ignorant whites.
madmonkphotog on August 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM
They are lying SOB’s!
Deacon on August 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
This latest stunt from MSNBC is frightening. It is beyond unprofessional, but yes legitimate propaganda.
alliebobbitt on August 20, 2009 at 9:35 PM
How about Contessa and friends going off about the AZ GOP using a doctored photo of Obama with a cigarette hanging from his lips, yet they have the nerve to (the very next day, I believe?) run the deceptively edited video from the town hall? Youtube link at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4mIDFIy7b0. Amazing hypocrisy.
fanofamerica on August 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Who will fire the firers?
ConservativeTony on August 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Obama. He likes taking over companies and firing CEOs.
malclave on August 20, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Gun was a Bushmaster Carbon-15
http://www.arizonashooting.com
mad saint jack on August 20, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Even though the man with the weapon is black, it could still be racially motivated since Barack Obama is 1/2 white.
Yeah, it’s thin
J_Crater on August 20, 2009 at 9:55 PM
He already owns it, or at least he “owns” Brewer. He’d be taking over his own company. Since it is black-owned….
Well, I’m just saying, so far Obama has only taken over white-owned companies. This will be something new for him.
ConservativeTony on August 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM
In no way what so ever am I talking about the legitimacy of legally of bearing arms. I’m talking about focusing in every way on fighting against the next episode of raping-the-next-generations-financial-future called ObamaCare.
Carrying a firearm isn’t a problem in any way. Making a statement by bringing an automatic weapon to a Presidential rally detracts from the hot water the liberals are in over this unbelievably poor legislation. Pointedly flashing your larger than life weapon to make a statement about gun rights in this instance is, IMHO, irrelevant to the primary issue on the table.
I have been, generally (HA!), so proud of the show of support and solidarity at these Town Hall’s, and evidence indicates that it’s making a difference (cf: Grassley’s recent comments). Let’s not let them divert attention to something that is currently not under fire, and wait to display our support for peace makers when the 2nd amendment comes under direct fire.
realityunwound on August 20, 2009 at 10:07 PM
A couple of issues with this. First of all, it’s not an automatic, I’m willing to bet. The percentage of automatic-converted weapons in the hands of civilians is actually very, very small. Those rifles are not sold automatic, and haven’t been since 1986. There is an important difference between semi-automatic and automatic, despite the media’s indifference. FYI.
Secondly, that rifle is not “larger than life”. It’s a normal rifle. There are millions just like it. The AR series has been around for decades. Just because our military has it doesn’t make it some kind of uber-weapon. It’s a rifle, pretty much like any other semi-automatic rifle. Your description, no offense, indicates little experience around weapons. It’s understandable, as before I was used to them, I’d be freaked out going into a gun store. However, that rifle is very common. Also FYI.
The third thing I want to point out is your claim of irrelevance to the debate. In terms of the health care debate, yes, it would have been irrelevant if this were 1993-1994. However, it’s 15 years later, and the politicians in power, many of them, have displayed complete and utter disregard for the wishes and concerns of their constituents, not to say contempt. The concept of representation has been shattered with the current bunch of monkeys in suits. They show no regard whatsoever for the people who put them in office and pay their hefty salaries.
Talking to them has not worked. You try to contact their office, and if you’re even lucky enough to get through, you get a temp who will pass on nothing, and eventually get a form letter with meaningless palaver. Town hall meetings should have worked. Instead, they were turned into private sessions for those in power to talk down to the citizens, and have their SEIU thugs take care of them if they didn’t like the questions.
They need to be reminded of the power that still remains in the Bill of Rights granted to the people. These displays may seem rash to you, but we have elected officials on video stating flatly that they will do what they want, regardless of what their voters think or want. Subtle reminders that this is a free nation, where taxation requires representation, should be made clear to them. I’m not suggesting violence. As is the argument for open carry, often the mere presence of a weapon prevents a violent confrontation. Our government needs to be reminded that they are ours, not the other way around.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 10:22 PM
An “online” radio host? And the open carry was planned in advance?!? So what?
Yes, it was planned in advance. You can tell by the way they called the Phoenix PD and introduced themselves and explained what they’d be doing. So what if it was planned in advance? Does the fact that they didn’t just decide to do it when Obama’s plane landed change either the event or PMSNBC’s coverage? Tommy’s usually a reasonable guy, but that’s a pretty asinine argument.
Pablo on August 20, 2009 at 10:32 PM
there is no person alive that doesn’t realize that BO is an evil man and that msnbc is violently anti-american. no moral person argues with this statement.
proconstitution on August 20, 2009 at 10:35 PM
That’s what they said about people pounding on their Congresscritters. And no, it isn’t an automatic weapon.
Pablo on August 20, 2009 at 10:38 PM
You’re saying that the presence of one armed black man / libertarian at an Obama event undercuts the case that right-wing protesters carrying guns to Presidential events might be racist and are predominantly white?
Your line of argument suggests that if someone published an article about about widespread black support for Obama, then an attached photo of Clarence Thoma would somehow be misleading. No, even with the out of context photo, the underlying point is still completely valid.
This whole argument is so weak, only true believers in the victimization of the right could get so excited about it. Further, your counter-argument that people who go locked and loaded to presidential events are standing up for an important principle is just as dubious. Look at how many Presidents have faced assassination attempts by guns in this country and a different picture emerges. If you truly respect the office of the President, it’s not a trivial or laughing matter.
bayam on August 20, 2009 at 10:38 PM
DSchoen, the M4 IS an AR-15, it is a version with a collapsible stock, and shortened barrel. The Ar-15 is a modular weapon, it is often configured with different furniture, and in different calibers and barrel lengths, but they are all considered AR-15s.
M-14 2go on August 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM
The M-4 is the carbine version of the M-16A2, and, as such, is full-auto.
What he was carrying was an AR-15 Carbine. Look at the handguards. They aren’t M-4.
Solaratov on August 20, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Yeah, I know. Crazy, right? We’re proposing that not everyone who disagrees with Obama is racist. SHOCKER.
MadisonConservative on August 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM
I have been known in the past to really call Allahpundit out when he wrote things I didn’t agree with. It is my duty to congratulate him when he writes something totally dead on balls accurate. Right on Allahpundit, very well said!!
Dollayo on August 20, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Anybody else think it’s weird how many leftist idiot friends Ed has?
misterpeasea on August 20, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Its good to see that MSNBC will not allow facts to color their reporting. Keep up the good work.
jorb on August 20, 2009 at 11:00 PM
I think that “generally,” presidents that are half black and half white are Marxist liars that screw up every agenda they undertake and leave office in disgrace.
Of course, that is just a “general” comment and not meant to impune President Obama.
Star20 on August 20, 2009 at 11:05 PM
fixed
MSNBC is so race neutral!
andrewtf on August 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Can somebody help me out? It seem to me that it’s always a Politician, govt. official, or someone from the MSM that keeps promoting the idea that all objections to the current administrations plans ultimately are based on racism. If that’s true why don’t they interview some of these people and ask them what their objection is? And of course then when they give the real explanation they can ask them if its really because they are racially motivated. I’d like to see the reactions of these people. Problem is they know it really doesn’t have anything to do with it.
I’m 52 and I did grow up at a time when racism towards African Americans was very common where I lived. I also hate to admit it but my dad was one of the biggest ones I ever knew. We didn’t live in the south so it wasn’t a Klan thing, no groups getting together for meeting or anything like that. It was a lot of the N word and watch out for that kind. When I was 12 he left my mom with 5 kids any we went from lower middle class to poor in about a 3 month span.
We move to a segregated part of town and I soon found out that other than cultural differences, blacks weren’t much different then white people. They wanted better for their kids then they had and they wanted them to get a good education.
I now have a teenager in 8th grade and we talk about things a lot. Recently it has been more about politics than anything else. I have to be honest I was beginning to wonder myself if maybe I really was still a little bit racist based on my exposure or if I at least projected that image. I guess I was buying the hype myself.
Anyway I asks my son a loaded question to see if I had influenced him in any way or just to see how kids today look at these issues. I asked him what the N word meant to him. His response was that it didn’t really mean anything to him. So I asked if he had heard others use it and I was surprised at his answer. He said the only time he ever really hears it is occasionally two black kids will call each other by this name as a greeting with a “whats up” thrown in front of it.
So I think that by the time my kids have kids the only ones left playing the race card will be Politicians, the govt., and MSM. Am I wrong???
New Patriot on August 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM
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