DNC admitting flag@whitehouse.gov operation collected data?

posted at 2:11 pm on August 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

So claims Erick Erickson at Redstate, and Greg Sargent’s attempt to explain the White House response does appear to confirm it.  Even Greg sounds less than convinced by the latest Obama administration pushback on its Snitch Central e-mail line, now defunct, which is to claim that Senator John Cornyn’s website also collects information from submissions to an information line.  Greg, Erick, and Cornyn point out the very obvious difference:

Now the DNC is striking back by pointing out that similar email collection is done on the Web sites of Senators and members of Congress, including … John Cornyn.

Over on Cornyn’s Senate Web site, for instance, you find that people who want to contact the Senator are asked to submit personal info, such as their names, addresses and emails, which are all required.

Now, some will point out a difference: Cornyn is raising a red flag about people possibly forwarding the White House the emails of others, whereas those writing in to the Senate Web sites volunteer their own info.

But the DNC argues this is a meaningless distinction. Following Cornyn’s logic about the White House, the DNC says, shouldn’t those who write in to Cornyn’s Web site to criticize the Senator ask what his office will do with their personal info? Isn’t it also fair to ask Cornyn to “purge” the email addresses of such critics, too?

Erick scoffs at this explanation, and for good reason:

But, as Cornyn points out, and the DNC admits, with Cornyn’s website it is an individual offering their own information to contact the Senator. With Barack Obama, it is people offering other people’s information.

The difference is even more basic than that.  Cornyn’s website wasn’t designed with the intent of having peoplel snitch on others who dissent politically from the administration or the Republican Party.  The White House designed its Snitch Central for that express purpose.  Also, Cornyn is not part of the executive branch, and thus has no control over law-enforcement agencies, which makes his list somewhat less than terrifying.  Barack Obama and his team run all of the federal law-enforcement agencies that could make trouble for anyone winding up on an enemies list, as we saw during the Nixon administration.

Apparently, the DNC can’t tell the difference.  However, they have performed a valuable service in confirming the White House’s use of the traffic from Snitch Central.

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Im still smelling desperation!

becki51758 on August 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Maybe we should all pool our resources and send a case of Tussy Red to the WH.

Monica on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

HoustonRight on August 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Great… I’ll send one, too. Maybe if they get enough requests, we can get it done.TXUS on August 20, 2009 at 3:15 PM

I sent a request for one in, I am fairly certain they’ll go for this if support for it builds. Hint, hint.

Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

am I the only one who is creeped out by Linda Douglass? That smiles she give while she lies is like some crazy thousand yard stare. I can just picture her saying “I love to kill puppies” with the same look on her face.

Ampersand on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Ampersand on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Yeah, they teach that in “journalism” school.

d1carter on August 20, 2009 at 3:26 PM

It’s not the Data.
The Snitching is the problem
And they asked for it.

gridlock2 on August 20, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Oh fucking cry me a river.

Cornyn is collecting name and address information IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHO IS A CONSTITUENT AND WHO IS NOT.

Are the fucking DNC employees the dumbest freaking people ever?

Call the DNC and tell them elected officials have every right to parse information so theat they can serve those that they serve in priority over those outside they serve seeking their feedback.

Politics 101 and the DNC draws a massive “F”.

gabriel sutherland on August 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM

am I the only one who is creeped out by Linda Douglass? That smiles she give while she lies is like some crazy thousand yard stare. I can just picture her saying “I love to kill puppies” with the same look on her face.

Ampersand on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Beck has twice had a male staffer dress up in drag to resemble Douglass for a bit that’s hilarious. The blond hair, pants suit, glasses, and the title of Dis-Disinformation Czar.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539295,00.html

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

“Snitching” is a necessary part of Statism.

This isn’t news. It’s to be assumed that a Socialist in the Oval Office would command such tactics.

For the record – I don’t trust either the right or the left – when it comes to my liberty or freedoms.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

What’s next, warrantless wiretapping?

M_Laveau on August 20, 2009 at 3:36 PM

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

They made him up so I didn’t even recognise that it was Stu. The producer that works the O,Reilly show also.

HoustonRight on August 20, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Just sent mine to Ed. Let me know what kind of answer you get and I’ll do the same.

HoustonRight on August 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM

It is only a matter of time before it is confirmed that people who received unsolicited political email from the White House were added to the email list after having been reported to Snitch Central.

Stephen Macklin on August 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Stephen Macklin on August 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM

I’m waiting for an IRS connection.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 20, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Beck has twice had a male staffer dress up in drag to resemble Douglass for a bit that’s hilarious. The blond hair, pants suit, glasses, and the title of Dis-Disinformation Czar.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539295,00.html

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I saw that. I was cracking the hell up! comedy gold

Ampersand on August 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Linda Douglass is like a women who’s in the worlds oldest profession, but she defends it by saying she only uses her mouth, and she is the only person present.

Jeff from WI on August 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM

???

Are these clowns serious?

Cornyn is a Grand Ayatollah in the Republican Party. That’s a very powerful position now that they no longer have any power in congress whatsoever to filibuster – or even to pass a bill. Hell – they can’t even get their bills debated.

Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND FULLY CONTROLS ONE OF THE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.

No contest – this is like comparing the powers of God to the powers of a local Constable.

Cornyn can’t “chill” free speech – the White House can.

They are idiots and need to be called out on this – not only for collecting the data – but for being stupid enough to pony up a lame excuse for it like this.

If they’re going to use “moral equivalency” … at least they should look for something equivalent!

AMATUERS.

HondaV65 on August 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM

We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

stldave on August 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM

John McCain, IMPEACH Pinnochio!
Come on man fight, fight, fight!

dhunter on August 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM

What’s next, warrantless wiretapping?

M_Laveau on August 20, 2009 at 3:36 PM

What’s next, non sequiturs?

Jim Treacher on August 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM

If they’re going to use “moral equivalency” … at least they should look for something equivalent!

AMATUERS.

HondaV65 on August 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I can’t begin to think of ANYTHING equivalent to this Whitehouse and their enemies lists and what they do to their enemies.

The Insurance industry needs to tell Waxman to pound sand and not give the Socialist the ammo to defame them.

John McCain needs to start IMPEACHMENT proceedings aginst The Pinnochio Presidente!

dhunter on August 20, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Archimedes on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Just sent mine to Ed. Let me know what kind of answer you get and I’ll do the same.

HoustonRight on August 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Just sent my request to Ed and Allah. Let you know.

TXUS on August 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM

I wonder how they expect Cornyn to respond to his constituents’s questions unless those constituents give him their contact information?

The dems are really reaching here….

ksm on August 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Why doesn’t any of this crap hit the courts where hopefully these policies can be declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. This type of stuff was regularly condemned when socialist/communist nations did it to their people. Many served and died to give other nations a chance at freedom/privacy and now our government is doing exactly the same thing.

hillbilly on August 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Im still smelling desperation!

becki51758 on August 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Maybe we should all pool our resources and send a case of Tussy Red to the WH.

Monica on August 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

It all smells fishy!

BigMike252 on August 20, 2009 at 5:02 PM

The dems are really reaching here….

ksm on August 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Ha. They are usually reaching into somebody’s back pocket.

IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2009 at 5:11 PM

We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

stldave on August 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Haven’t you checked lately? There are no wars. And even if there were, all wars are just…just if The Annointed One is President.

IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2009 at 5:14 PM

gabriel sutherland on August 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Wow! You seem to be penting things up. Perhaps a lil release would be time well spent, when commenting. LOL

Just kidding. Great post, and I agree with you!

capejasmine on August 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM

The word “terrorist” is no longer used to describe individuals bent on mass murder to further a cause. You all forget, we are the terrorists now.

MississippiMom on August 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM

DNC = White House

Y-not on August 20, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Linda Douglas creeps me out as well. Do any of you remember the t.v. series entitled “V” (for visitors).. Someone is making a movie of it now – Anyway – there was a female reporter that reported only positive stories given to her by these “visitors” to earth (invading people-eating lizards disguised as people). She was their propagandist and she was the person in the series that filled you with comtempt, for she basically sold her soul. That is Linda Douglas.

texasaggie on August 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM

and Barack asked the Lord, “If this is heaven, why are you in my chair?”

jcrue on August 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Jim Treacher on August 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Ha.

M_Laveau on August 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM

and Barack asked the Lord, “If this is heaven, why are you in my chair?”

jcrue on August 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I AM going to steal this line. Brilliant.

Ugly on August 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Why is the DNC doing anything with a whitehouse.gov e-mail address ?

Political activity in the White House is prohibited by the Hatch Act.
That’s why the DNC (or RNC) does that sort of activity off the premises.

There is a big problem here if the DNC got anything that came in on the flag@whitehouse.gov email line.

J_Crater on August 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM

These federal and D.C. employees may not-

* use official authority or influence to interfere with an election
* solicit or discourage political activity of anyone with business before their agency
* solicit or receive political contributions (may be done in certain limited situations by federal labor or other employee organizations)
* be candidates for public office in partisan elections
* engage in political activity while:
o on duty
o in a government office
o wearing an official uniform
o using a government vehicle
* wear partisan political buttons on duty

J_Crater on August 20, 2009 at 7:59 PM

That’s odd– I have written repeatedly to my Rep, the dis-honorable Brad Sherman (D-CA) and he has never emailed me back. Maybe it was the “you townhall-avoiding coward” line turned him off.

leftnomore on August 20, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Hussein’s administration got caught acting Chavezesque, and now they’re p*ssing and moaning about it, trying to make such and empty and pathetic assertion as noted here.

madmonkphotog on August 20, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Well, I hope they were happy when I snitched on myself and sent many, many emails and columns in to the site including Rush, Hannity, Hot Air, MM, Levin and all the idiot stuff I could find from the lamestream media. Wonder what they did with it all?

ultracon on August 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM

These federal and D.C. employees may not-

* use official authority or influence to interfere with an election
* solicit or discourage political activity of anyone with business before their agency
* solicit or receive political contributions (may be done in certain limited situations by federal labor or other employee organizations)
* be candidates for public office in partisan elections
* engage in political activity while:
o on duty
o in a government office
o wearing an official uniform
o using a government vehicle
* wear partisan political buttons on duty

J_Crater on August 20, 2009 at 7:59 PM

And these laws apply to Democrats?

I’m still waiting for Hillary and Bill to disgorge the 1000 FBI files….

landlines on August 21, 2009 at 1:43 AM

With the exception of Cronyn, where is all of our reps on this issue. Why does no one hold the executive to account and take legal actions to investigate the whole matter. It sure apppears to violate a law already on the books, which O voted for and the constitution.

hillbilly on August 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

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