WaPo poll: 7 in 10 Democrats now say war in Afghanistan wasn’t worth fighting
posted at 8:20 pm on August 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Remember, this is supposed to be the “good war” they were all pretend-itching to fight once Obama undid George Bush’s terrible, terrible mistake in Iraq. It was just over a year ago, as I recall, that Harry Reid was talking up how well things were going to boost The One’s campaign promise to secure the country.
Now, the truth:
Overall, seven in 10 Democrats say the war has not been worth its costs, and fewer than one in five support an increase in troop levels. Nearly two-thirds of the most committed Democrats now feel “strongly” that the war was not worth fighting. Among moderate and conservative Democrats, a slim majority say the United States is losing in Afghanistan.
Republicans (70 percent say it is worth fighting) and conservatives (58 percent) remain the war’s strongest backers, and the issue provides a rare point of GOP support for Obama’s policies. A narrow majority of conservatives approve of Obama’s handling of the war (52 percent), as do more than four in 10 Republicans (43 percent).
Among all adults, 51 percent now say the war is not worth fighting, up six points since last month and four points above the previous high, reached in February. Less than half, 47 percent, say the war is worth its costs. Those strongly opposed (41 percent) outweigh strong proponents (31 percent)…
Among liberals, his rating on handling the war, which he calls one of “necessity,” has fallen swiftly, with strong approval cratering by 20 points. Nearly two-thirds of liberals stand against a troop increase, as do about six in 10 Democrats.
A dirty little secret that WaPo won’t tell you: When they asked this same question last July, a majority of Democrats said the war wasn’t worth fighting then, too. Bear that in mind when the spin starts tomorrow that these new numbers are a reaction to conditions deteriorating inside the country. The good news? Now that Bush is out of office and the White House is safely won, the left doesn’t give a wet crap whether Obama escalates in Afghanistan or not. For once, Cindy Sheehan is under no illusions:
The “anti-war” “left” was used by the Democratic Party. I like to call it the “anti-Republican War” movement.
While I agree with you about the hypocrisy of such sites as the DailyKos, I have known for a long time that the Democrats are equally responsible with the Republicans. That’s why I left the party in May 2007 and that’s why I ran for Congress against Nancy Pelosi in 2008.
Exit question: Any lefties care to enlighten us in the comments as to what the withdrawal “strategy” here is? No one believes the country is secure against the Taliban; no one believes either that the Taliban would deny sanctuary to Al Qaeda. If the war on terror is now a war on Al Qaeda specifically, why cede an entire country back to them to use as their base of operations by pulling out?
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Hah. Watch him say that we are all mistaken and he has always talked about pulling out of Afghanistan in the next three months.
andy85719 on August 19, 2009 at 8:21 PM
I’ll speak up for the lefties in the man time…RACIST!!!
AUINSC on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Assholes for peace, unite.
1921 C DRUM on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM
This is the disaster that has the most potential to unseat the Democrat Party, take one war that was almost won, and another that is on the verge and lose them both,
Rode Werk on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM
War Weariness Part II coming to a theater near you.
msmveritas on August 19, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Poor Barry. Stuck in a land war in Asia and no friends in site. John McCain will have his back, though.
mesquito on August 19, 2009 at 8:23 PM
“Let me be clear:
We have always been allies with the Taliban
Our common enemy is the American South”
battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Ah, that’s right.
Their “Good War.”
Just something else Obama is heroically blowing.
Good Lt on August 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Well…called this one.
Neat knowing our troops were such pawns, isn’t it?
Mommypundit on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM
THat’s the point though: there’s no need to pull out now. With Booosh – the REAL enemy – safely defeated, the wars in the Middle East are a non-issue to moonbat partisans and could drag on forever for all they care.
Much to everyone’s shock, I’m sure.
Lehosh on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM
If these same breed of Dems were in power from 1940 to 45 half the country would be speaking German and the other half Japanese.
thmcbb on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM
I am sure Cindy’s protest will be plastered on all the MSM outlets next week…I am sure.
d1carter on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Where’s Harry Reid when you need him?
Fletch54 on August 19, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Barry: “That’s not the war I knew”.
1921 C DRUM on August 19, 2009 at 8:26 PM
You know, there is a perverse pleasue watching Obama slowly gasp for political breath, chocking on his own rhetoric…the liberals, in 6 months will become a “lynch” mob…
right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Dems always snatch defeat from the hands of victory. :P
Tuari on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM
By 2012, Barry will be the poster boy for incompetence and unfulfilled expectations.
The left wing narrative in 2012 in light of his losing the election?
Obama could have been a great president, if racist America had given him a chance. But they didn’t. So his failure was not his fault. America wasn’t ready for a black president.
Yup, that will be the line.
keep the change on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM
It irks me that our military personnel have to salute this bag of douchieness.
SouthernGent on August 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Translation: The global anti-jihad is just a distraction from their war on
Capitalismglobal warming.Terp Mole on August 19, 2009 at 8:32 PM
7/10 Democrats aren’t keeping their “eye on the ball” as The Won said….
He’s the Commander In Chief…. he told us so.
ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:32 PM
I do not understand these two statistics. According to this, there is a significant percentage of Republicans who are not conservative, and a significant percentage of conservatives are not Republican. And that doesn’t make sense to me. Or, am I wrong in my interpretation of these numbers?
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM
It’s Bush’s fault.
uknowmorethanme on August 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM
It was obvious less than a year after 9/11.
Speedwagon82 on August 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Went from the right war to no war. Bush fault. Even the Joker said it was the war we should have been fighting all along.
My guess is they forgot because they were stoned, who attacked and from where.
Keeping up with the left flavor of the week, makes one dizzy.
tarpon on August 19, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Leave enough assets in the country so that we know who to kill and when to kill them.
Theworldisnotenough on August 19, 2009 at 8:36 PM
7 in 10 rats are correct .
borntoraisehogs on August 19, 2009 at 8:36 PM
I agree with them. The Iraq war isn’t worth fighting either. I didn’t vote for Obama to continue useless wars. BRING THE TROOPS HOME ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!
liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM
So what else is new? Remember their pasty-faced mock chants of “Allahu akbar!” in view of our still smoldering Pentagon?
/their grief is not a cry for war
Terp Mole on August 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Let me be clear…
I still can’t believe the clown got away with claiming we were “air raiding villages” and slaughtering peasants for the fun of it.
18-1 on August 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM
It’s the Hopium.
reaganaut on August 19, 2009 at 8:38 PM
This just in…nancy boy liberal douche bags afraid to fight evildoers. Don’t miss Olberman’s report at eleven…
Wyznowski on August 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM
I hate the term pro-war, but I do believe in staying in Afghanistan. But I also remember those commentators back in ‘01 who mocked those who said this fight would be a long one.
Remember the “brutal Afghan winter” meme and the “brutal Afghan winter” mockery meme?
What I’m saying is … actually, I have no idea what I’m saying.
YYZ on August 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Most leftists experienced a strange event on 9/11/01.
No, not the worst terror attack on American soil. Apparently they went to bed on the 10th, and when they woke up it was the 12th. Damnedest thing really.
18-1 on August 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Oh look… liberal343 isn’t “first” for once…
Skywise on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Oh wow, it wasn’t just because the wind changed? :)
obladioblada on August 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Great question, AP. Not being a liberal I can’t answer. But I can give you a sample of the value of what they say will be. Ahem:
Weight of Glory on August 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM
This really does make me sick. I just don’t understand people. I really don’t. Is there anything worth fighting for – any enemy - as far as they are concerned? Good lord….
Just keep repeating “unicorns and skittles, unicorns and skittles – if only we were nicer…..”
XWing5 on August 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM
….fighting “against any enemy.”
my bad.
XWing5 on August 19, 2009 at 8:43 PM
It really never ends with these people does it? I’m tired of the lies.
Since 9/11 its been a running war with people that are nominally American. They sabotaged the war effort for their political ambitions. Now they’ve taken all the reins of power and their vitriol has increased exponentially. Nothing but the total eradication of what this country is will placate them. These people have a dark vision for the future.
I’m tired.
elduende on August 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Meanwhile in an alternate universe, 70% of The Greatest Generation didn’t think defeating fascism was worth the price in blood and treasure.
Terp Mole on August 19, 2009 at 8:45 PM
You know we’re with you, hawkdriver!
Christien on August 19, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Exactly. Not to mention the “spillover” into Pakistan.
Of course, if you think 9/11 was an “inside job”, then we’re just giving the country back to the people we stole it from.
Stolen to build that infamous gas pipeline.
Man…
SteveMG on August 19, 2009 at 8:45 PM
This simply proves that Democrats believe there is absolutely nothing worth fighting for. Just shows their cowardace.
If you can’t support a war to eliminate the the group who killed 3000 innocent Americans than you are pretty much no better than the terrorists.
The Notorious G.O.P on August 19, 2009 at 8:46 PM
The problem with this sort of analysis is that almost all of the claims that the left made against both the Iraq and Afghan war were proven false. Just because both wars ended up being harder then the most ardent hawks expected doesn’t change that.
For example, the arguments against the Iraq war that I ran across on a regular basis in the long lead up to the war were:
1) Saddam will use his WMDs on our troops or our allies.
2) Attacking Iraq will lead to WWIII as every other country in the middle east will join in.
3) Terrorists in Saddam’s employee with devastate American and European targets in response.
4) Ten thousand coalition troops will die taking Baghdad alone.
5) Saddam is already completely contained by UN sanctions which have denied him the ability to fund his military/secret police.
Etc. Yes the war ended up being tougher then I expected, but I don’t see how you can give individuals who made predictions as above any credit for being right.
18-1 on August 19, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Withdrawal strategy? Run like hell and then wait until the place is taken over by AlQaida again and blame Bush.
Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
9.10.2001
CWforFreedom on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
My prediction is … we’ll be leaving Afghanistan and Iraq – soon.
Also – considering O’s meteoric crashing in the polls – has anyone considered what would happen if we had another terrorist attack here at home?
HondaV65 on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Because YOU’RE A RACIST.
Good Lt on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
It really is true that the left supports an intervention when the US has no interests in the outcome.
If we have an interest, the act is somehow corrupted.
It’s turning the world and logic on its head.
SteveMG on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
How long before Democrats spend the weekend spitting on our troops at the airport??? 7 in 10 Democrats don’t have a clue what year it is!
The honored sacrifice our our brave soldiers in the Armed Forces, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and stationed around the world, is far too much to be left in the hands of asinine Democrats!
IntheNet on August 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
So my question is this: Do liberals become cowards because they are liberal or do they become liberlas because they are cowards? The old chicken and the egg thing.
The Notorious G.O.P on August 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I can tell you what we won’t be doing. We won’t be rallying to him. That I can guarantee you.
elduende on August 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
7 in 10 of donkeycrats find something shiny to play with.
Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
I am not so sure about polls like this anyway. I think Americans are worried about things here at home and so they are not really into a war in a place like Afghanistan. They are tired of all that.
However, if we did leave and it collapsed and we had to go back, they would like that even less.
Think about how many problems we deal with in the world today, could have been avoided if only they had been rectified or solved or dealt with years earlier.
Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
they are who they are….where we on the right failed was in not making our case more effectively past the media that having a bunch of multi-culti knee-jerk peaceniks in charge with a culture who has a terror problem breathing down our throats is a “bad” thing….
sven10077 on August 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
The One: “Like I always said, there is no exit strategy.”
DrStock on August 19, 2009 at 8:51 PM
ahh this is prediction #27 in my top 30 predictions for the democrats and obama
I told ya
Obama and the democrats will abandon the entire world
if necessary..
yOu see they actually believe that ONLY the US is evil
everyone else in the world is nice..
Got news for you liberal arse wipes out there..
NOPE..
But that doenst matter to the democrats
just like in vietnam and every way since
they want to surrender first..
and ask questions never..
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
Who is braver
the french while raising the white flag
or the democrats who are afraid to carry it..
Answer: Say-la-vi
veteranoutrage on August 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM
So much for the first Global President and it sounded so good too.
Dr Evil on August 19, 2009 at 8:54 PM
The rest of the world is going to love us now that Obama is President.
C’est La Vie
Dr Evil on August 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM
1921 C DRUM on August 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM
What are we fighting for?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_8204000/8204286.stm
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/michael-s-dispatches/
izoneguy on August 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM
No, you see Bush let bin Laden get away at Tora Bora, so the war is no longer in Afghanistan. It is now in Pokeestohn, where it can be fought using Predator drones. Pack it up boys, we’re goin’ home.
Kafir on August 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
AP,
Stop trying to distract us from passing the health plan.
What does Rep Massa think about Afghanistan?
exhelodrvr on August 19, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I guess Blueneck didn’t make it.
What is the left going to say if the elections go well over there?
cozmo on August 19, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Not worth fighting?!?
Most democrats want to PROSECUTE the people who fought the war.
How much of a “mask” was it really when they spent the last six years find less-than-subtle ways to erode American Exceptionalism in the hearts and minds of everyone who has access to a television.
Khorum on August 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM
OT but:
LIBERAL343 is posting already under another very similar nic
see-
liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Has that been banned too?
CWforFreedom on August 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM
CWforFreedom on August 19, 2009 at 9:04 PM
the staggering incompetency of this president and his administration on all levels, on all levels (I’m repeating deliberately) boggles the mind, and these words are incapable of expressing the profound level of the incompetency. Obama is losing on the left and the right in record time. And we are all the worse for it, but think of the military and what he is subjecting them to. This man is a precedent all right, an unprecedented staggering incompetent buffoon. Our shame is that he was elected to anything at all, ever.
Willie on August 19, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I’m certainly one who doesn’t understand what the goal in Afghanastan is or how we’ll know when it’s over.
AnninCA on August 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM
The biggest mistake the leftists make here, and perhaps it’s part of their lack of a moral makeup, is that they measure the war in terms of fiscal returns.
Afghanistan can be saved, but it’s going to cost alot. Money is not what I’m talking about here, it’s lives. War always costs money, war always costs lives. What needed to be decided a few years ago was whether we should spend those lives on a war where the original intent was lost.
Is Bin Laden dead? Is al queada defunct? If not, go do it. Why are we screwing with the telaban, that’s an issue internal to Afghanistan that the russians couldn’t fix either. We aren’t doing any better on that front.
Get back to the original intent, accomplish the mission, and GTFO.
Spiritk9 on August 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Now if we could pack up all the lefties, send them over to Afghanistan (one way) and bring our troops home . . .
I’m just saying
Mangy Scot on August 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM
The economy and Afghanistan will keep Obama to one term. If we defeat all the versions of ‘government’ healthcare, that will be gravy.
Sapwolf on August 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Allahpundit;
You got rid of liberal343! I love you. I am sorry for every unkind word or thought I ever had about you or Hot Air or Michelle or Ed.
Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM
izoneguy on August 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM
I was just reading about that on RattlerGator
Moving Heaven and Earth
Dr Evil on August 19, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Allah. I don’t understand your posts today.
You say the mask is slipping by pointing to a poll of dem voters. Compare it to Dem politicians remarks. But two lines later you admit rank and file dems have always thought this.
If you want to claim a mask is slipping find a Dem pol that has flipped.
It seems like you are grasping today.
Obama kept gates. Has continued bush Iraq policy. And he has doubled down in afghanistan.
Is the point of this post really to show the Won is able to buck the loons in his party? Sure looks that way.
Wish we could box our nuts as well as they have.
frumian on August 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM
I’d love to see Barama try and prosecute an officer for not saluting. My guess he’d rather have him over for a beer and discuss it.
leftnomore on August 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM
The Quitter party
theTarCzar on August 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Elsewhere in appeasement news;
Terrorism still pays… handsomely.
/Kaddafi delenda est
Terp Mole on August 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM
I wouldn’t, our military people are better than that.
cozmo on August 19, 2009 at 9:21 PM
frumianL
The point is that the Democrats do not give a damn if we win. But Obama probably knows we need to. And yet Obama and his ilk were more than ready to exploit and encourage anti war fervor in the party just to put the screws to Bush. Now, he has the job himself and his rank and file turn out to be a bunch of Truthers who could give a rat’s ass about Afghanistan..until and unless there is another attack of course. And then they will probably blame Israel.
Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Shouldn’t that read “isn’t worth fighting”?
It’s not like the Afghan War is over, it’s still work in progress.
fogw on August 19, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Yikes…
therightwinger on August 19, 2009 at 9:27 PM
So how’s it going now Lyndon B. Obama? Never thought those nutcases on the left would go against you. First Healthcare and now Afghanistan. How’s their ass taste LBO?
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on August 19, 2009 at 9:28 PM
He’s pretty clear to me.
During the Bush years, the Dems – the liberal wing – supported Afghanistan while opposing Iraq as a ruse to show they were tough on terror. Afghanistan was the “right” war while Iraq was the “wrong” one. They weren’t, they said, against using force against the terrorists; they just wanted to use it in Afghanistan.
Now that they don’t have to show, i.e., wear a mask, that they were tough on terror in order to win the election, their opposition to Afghanistan now emerges.
They never really supported the war in Afghanistan; but they believed that they had to in order to prove their anti-terror credentials. Now they no longer have to do so.
SteveMG on August 19, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Speaking as an (ahem) non-moonbat…at some point we have to face reality. We’ve spend more time trying to secure A$$crackistan and Iraq than we did beating Germany and Japan at the same time, starting from a disadvantage, and for less success.
Pull out entirely unless there is proven evidence that someone in either nation is directly threatening us or our allies. At which point we go in like General Sherman with a scorched-and-salted earth policy (maybe not for the whole nation) to pound it into the heads of those towelheaded camel jockeys that messing with us is a lethal mistake. Let the Sunni-Delights and Shiite-heads bicker about their moon god and the fine points of Muslim doctrine and squabble over their goat herds for all I care.
Dark-Star on August 19, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Someone should start a pool.
How long, before Slappy puts his tail between his legs, and “redeploys” from Afghanistan?
franksalterego on August 19, 2009 at 9:37 PM
end the occupation
Spathi on August 19, 2009 at 9:38 PM
What occupation moron? They have a democratically elected leader. Ever heard of Karzai?
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on August 19, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I’m starting to believe that the Axis of Evil runs between 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and Room H232 of the Capitol and Room 522 of the Hart Senate office Building.
coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 9:44 PM
So when will Cindy Sheehan set up shop outside of Hyde Park?
Keef Overbite on August 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM
SteveMg……
But there are no polling stats to back your assertion in the post.
I listed clearly where the argument breaks down and you didn’t mention any of them.
The polling data supporting your position would be good anacdotal evidence of a different point. But not this one.
Besides the moonbats I know never even pretended to agree with Afghanistan. Instead they argued going to Iraq before finishing the job would cause xyz to happen.
frumian on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM
“We should redeploy the troops to Okinanwa”
- John Murtha, military strategist extraordinaire
fogw on August 19, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Wrong analogy. Try Thomas Jefferson’s Tripolitan War.
After 200 years, we’re still fighting (and losing) that one.
A$$crackistan and Iraq are just different theatre in their jihad.
/face that
Terp Mole on August 19, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Dammit, you know for a fact the real terrorists are us…gun-toting, Bible-clinging conservatives….DHS said so. Afghan, schmaffgan….the real war on terror is being organized right here in the US…and they think they can win it.
So, my brother and sister terrorists…
How we going to chuck these idiots out of office next year and in 2012?
coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Oh Jesus, any thinking conservative who knew their neofacist lefties could have called this one.
The Left was always going to go all Nancy-boy on the Afghan war. They’re the candy-ass party. That’s one reason why people don’t seriously turn to Democrats in times of great foreign crisis anymore.
They’d rather not be bothered.
victor82 on August 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM
WITHDRAWAL S TRAGEDY: “I am Barack Obama. I won!”
Should about cover it.
GarandFan on August 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM
By the way, one thing I predicted early on was that Obama was going to go the way of Lyndon Johnson.
He refused to adequately ramp-up with any serious numbers needed to handle both the Afghan AND Frontier State theaters and, to make matters worse, he left the NWFS theater safely in the hands of the Talib and their AQ allies.
Exactly as Lyndon did in 1966 with the Cambodian and Laotian sanctuaries and the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
We’ve seen this movie before. Another indecisive Democrat president. We know how it ends, too.
victor82 on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM
“As I have always said, I am opposed to the war in Afghanistan.” Obama always prefaces a flip-flop with “As I have always said.”
munseym on August 19, 2009 at 9:58 PM
7 in 10 Democrats wouldn’t shoot a home invader who was violating his daughter and had laid his gun down on the kitchen table to do it.
peski on August 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM
That’s gonna leave a mark.
This was the “good” war- the one that we HAD to win, so sayeth the ONE.
drjohn on August 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM
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