The irony of “reconciliation”

posted at 9:30 am on August 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The New York Times offers a strong hint that Democrats in the Senate will use the budget reconciliation process as a cover to move ObamaCare through the chamber to avoid a filibuster.  The Democrats will “go it alone,” the headline reads, although the actual report makes the how of that rather ambiguous.  And well it should, since the Democrats know — or should know — that to try reconciliation would be an invitation to a war that would bring Congress to a screeching halt:

Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.

Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s Congressional recess, as well as remarks by leading Republicans that current proposals were flawed beyond repair.

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said the heated opposition was evidence that Republicans had made a political calculation to draw a line against any health care changes, the latest in a string of major administration proposals that Republicans have opposed. …

The Democratic shift may not make producing a final bill much easier. The party must still reconcile the views of moderate and conservative Democrats worried about the cost and scope of the legislation with those of more liberal lawmakers determined to win a government-run insurance option to compete with private insurers.

In fact, the article never mentions the word “reconciliation,” the process by which the Senate approves a budget for the federal government.  Under the rules of reconciliation, no cloture vote is needed, as the chamber has a Constitutional duty to produce a budget.  Some Democrats have threatened this for months, notably Chuck Schumer, but the plan has a couple of big flaws.  First, the Democrats have to convince the Senate parliamentarian, ostensibly non-partisan, to agree that the bill is primarily budgetary.  No one in their right mind could honestly make that judgment about massive regulation of 15% of the American economy.  They’re likely to get denied before they even get started.

However, if they do manage to get past that obstacle, the Republicans can shut down the Senate for the next  year.  Those unfamiliar with the parliamentary procedure may not realize that a great many steps get skipped by unanimous consent.  Bill-reading is just one example.  One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee.  For ObamaCare and cap-and-trade, one bill reading could take a week, keeping the Senate floor locked off from any other business.

Traditionally, Senators give each other the courtesy of unanimous consent to allow business to proceed at a normal pace.  If the Democrats try to force ObamaCare through reconciliation, that unanimous consent will dissipate faster than an Obama expiration date.  It won’t take the entire Republican caucus to gum up the works, either; it only takes a single objection to end unanimous consent, and the GOP has more than a couple of conservative firebrands who will gladly toss sand in the gears to stop Harry Reid from steamrolling them.

Democrats might think that this will gain them sympathy with the public, but not if they’re breaking rules to pass an increasingly unpopular and intrusive piece of legislation.  It will create a firestorm of anger even worse than what we’ve seen in the townhalls thus far.  They would be signing their way to minority status, especially in the House.  They can kiss the rest of their agenda goodbye for the rest of this session, too, including cap-and-trade.  Even budgeting will prove very difficult.

There’s a reason the Times didn’t mention reconciliation.  It’s a bluff.  Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

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One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee. For ObamaCare and cap-and-trade, one bill reading could take a week, keeping the Senate floor locked off from any other business.

Look for that speed reader Pelosi hired earlier this year to get a lot of work from the Democrats over the next 15 months.

jon1979 on August 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM

It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Were you born an optimist, Ed? These morons are foolish enough to insult the people that vote them into office. I wouldn’t put anything past them.

gryphon202 on August 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM

It will create a firestorm of anger even worse than what we’ve seen in the townhalls thus far.

Hmmm, not sure. Huffpo and other lefty sources are reporting that after the backlash wave, healthcare supporters are starting to outnumber anti-ones at townhalls. The nation is more divided on this than conservative commenters seem willing to admit. I’ll also add that the poll numbers are misleading. Within polls that show a lack of support for Obama and Congressional Dems the public option still polls well as does reform in general.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

I don’t know about that. He looks like a bigger fool with each passing day, IMO.

evie on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Filibuster? By whom? The GOP? Not.

This is the Dems golden moment in the sun. They control both Congress and the White House. Regardless of the people’s rejection of ObamaJokercare, Dems will force it upon us.

Oh, sure, the Dems might lose an election cycle or two or three and be out of power for a decade. But then, once ObamaJokercare takes effect, the country will be pushed way left and the Dems will be in power forever more from that time on.

FlameWarrior on August 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

let them use reconciliation as a first resort from here on out…

if/when we take back the Senate it’ll make judicial confirmations a lot easier since it will rip the moral justifications against the nuclear option away.

sven10077 on August 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM

It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

You sure about that, Ed? I wouldn’t put any money on it. To the contrary, evidence of the last 7 months says that the Democratic “leadership” of Obama-Reid-Pelosi are both foolish and arrogant enough not to know it.

jwolf on August 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Great article, right up until the end.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Hmmm, not sure. Huffpo and other lefty sources are reporting that after the backlash wave, healthcare supporters are starting to outnumber anti-ones at townhalls. The nation is more divided on this than conservative commenters seem willing to admit. I’ll also add that the poll numbers are misleading. Within polls that show a lack of support for Obama and Congressional Dems the public option still polls well as does reform in general.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

I see you received your White House talking points early this morning. Well done comrade.

darwin on August 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM

word up its a bluff

blatantblue on August 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I hope they try it.

Bugler on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

You’re delusional.

Blake on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

This is war shut the whole congress down .That would be a good things a congress not passing a bunch of 1000 pages bill would be just fine by me.

thmcbb on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Within polls that show a lack of support for Obama and Congressional Dems the public option still polls well as does reform in general.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Links? I believe support for a public option is eroding along with the overall support.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I see you received your White House talking points early this morning. Well done comrade.

darwin on August 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Or I just did some reading…..

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Huffpo and other lefty sources are reporting that after the backlash wave, healthcare supporters are starting to outnumber anti-ones at townhalls.

HuffPo thinks if it says it, it’s true.

Marcus on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Even NBC Polls are showing Obamas number’s tanking.

kingsjester on August 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Huffpo and other lefty sources

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

It amazes me that anyone would consider huffpo a credible source.

csdeven on August 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM

The one thing you take from these protests of August, just how much our congressional clunkers enjoy ruling. The concept of representation seems foreign.

They also aren’t going to won in awards in critical reasoning.

tarpon on August 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Look for that speed reader Pelosi hired earlier this year to get a lot of work from the Democrats over the next 15 months.

jon1979 on August 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM

They’re gonna get the MicroMachines guy!

LibTired on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

You HOPE it’s a bluff. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person. Harry Reid isn’t an average person, he’s a member of Congress – therefore his stupidity is that much higher. If he was stupid enough to scream “RETREAT!” in the face of tremendous progress in Iraq, what makes anyone think he wouldn’t scream “CHARGE!” in the face of a collapsing health care debate?

Beltway Bandit on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

FlameWarrior on August 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Actually, Ed is right on target… Checks and balances put in place by a few really smart people, likely with some help from the man above.

Keemo on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I’ll say it a third time.

The bill will be written without regard to citizens’ rights, and without regard to traditional Congressional legislative protocol. It will include a wedge to enable subsequent further socialism. The vote will occur when opposition is not present.

Nix HR3200 and all who vote for it.

Even in Rousseau’s France, Lady Liberty was never a wet nurse for a nanny state.

maverick muse on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Even NBC Polls are showing Obamas number’s tanking.

kingsjester on August 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I was able to sit through an entire segment last night with Keith Olbermann and Lawrence O’Donnell. Why? They were flabbergasted and nauseous over the results of their own poll.

Marcus on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

FlameWarrior on August 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

You’re delusional, too. You’re schtick fools no one.

Blake on August 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM

They are also trying to get as much dirt on insurance companies as they can.

Isn’t it wonderful that only after public outcry are they asking for information concerning current health insurance plans. . . how much they bring in in premiums, how much they pay in claims, they want to know benefit packages for management of insurance companies.

You would have thought that would be the first piece of information these people interested in government health insurance would have done.

They can’t sell that though. That’s boring and tedious stuff. Of course they have income information from the IRS. . . but they want the break down.

The problem is not the premiums, the problem with health care costs is the CLAIMS.

ThackerAgency on August 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM

The left is at a point of no return. Anything short of a full blown public option vote and they are doomed on the left. A full blown public option vote and they are doomed on the right.

Their only hope is to ram this pig through, then hope the economy turns around by this time next year so the tempature will be lower.

Remember, it’s the left in Congress that is running this show, not Obama. He is just a pen to sign whatever they give him. The Dems in Congress are doing this for themselves, not Obama.

Presidents come and go. Congressmen stay until they sip meat through a straw.

tatersalad on August 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Reconciliation for a bill that a majority doesn’t support? Implosion.

marklmail on August 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Soooooo typical if the NYT…

In that excerpt alone there are EIGHT references to “republican” opposition.

Not a single word about the strife among democrats.

singlemalt_18 on August 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM

the less the senate and congress actually ‘do’, the better off we all are.

I hope that this happens and shuts down the senate. pleaes please please make it happen! I dare not get my hopes up though – this is just the end of the first act and act II is about to start – which reminds me, I’m running low on popcorn

gatorboy on August 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM

maverick muse on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I tend to agree with you, although I hope we’re wrong. These people are drunk with power and are determined to force government control onto all of us. And the sheep continue to graze…

search4truth on August 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Nope, don’t buy this cheese folks. Democrats are merely at the end of the proverbial playbook. The “go it alone” tactic is a setup to make the dear leader look like a hero if he can subsequently wrestle victory from the jaws of defeat by delivering this thing with Snowe and Collins just like he did with the “unstimulus” bill.

They know that Dear Leader can’t show leadership, so they are prepping him to look like a hero.

I wonder when they’ll frizz his hair up, get him some platform shoes and have him start firing missiles over Japan….

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Links? I believe support for a public option is eroding along with the overall support.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

There are actually surprisingly few polls on the public option since the beginning of August, though you’re right the NBC poll does show a decline in support for the public option. All the polling through July however shows pretty strong support even within dissaproval for Obama’s handling of the issue. I’d be one who finds massive dissaproval of Obama and the Senat’s handling of the issue but support a public option and don’t think that I’m alone. At the very least it’s more popular than Obama’s dealing of the issue.

But I’ll admit until there’s a new rash of polling on the public option I’ll conceede there’s been an eroding of support over the past month.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Huffpo and other lefty sources are reporting

Or I just did some reading…..

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM

If you want to call that “reading”.

darwin on August 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

csdeven on August 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM

This from someone who reads blogs? Why would you assume only conservative blogs speak the truth?

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

OT: 75 people killed in Baghdad yesterday.

OT: Significant increase in combat deaths in Afghanistan.

MSM response to this—meww

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

They have been wanting to pass this for years,I can’t imagine they care now how it gets done.The arrogance and their over-reaching will be their downfall.

ohiobabe on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

It is significant that with a huge majority in Congress, a leftist President, and a sympathetic press Liberal policies are struggling to see the light of day in America…

mjbrooks3 on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

sharpen your attacks, hit them from all sides. do not let up

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

If Congress uses
Reconciliation here,
Pitchforks and Torches…

Haiku Guy on August 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM

These clueless Dem-Sheep are blindly following their socialist pied piper in chief. This will destroy what is left of our country! Looking forward to 2010 for these Socio-Libs “going it alone” right out of office!

TexasTea on August 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Keemo and Blake,

FlameWarrior pirated the argument from Mark Steyn’s context yesterday as warning (Rush) into a fallacious prophecy. It didn’t transpose when superimposed with fatalism.

maverick muse on August 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Yes, yes, they are that foolish, Ed. They are also that arrogant, that desperate and that tone-deaf that they will try this.

Add to that the meeting with Bill Clinton yesterday. Who here doesn’t believe that Clinton egged on Obama, telling him to ram this through and everything will be okay? He most likely told him that his problem right now is that he’s appearing to not be decisive and that once he makes a strong decision and an even bolder move, the American people will rally behind him.

yogi41 on August 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

The problem with the public option (or government option) is the CLAIMS. They are selling it as though somehow magically a government option will cost less to the individual or company per month.

Insurance is a math equation. Insurance is without passion. It is only numbers. The figures for premiums are derived from the claims that are paid.

Why is the public option bad?

The Public Option is bad because Americans go from being constituents to being LIABILITIES OF THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET if they are on the public plan. Why do we want to add to our kids’ liability on behalf of the federal government?

ThackerAgency on August 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM

It will create a firestorm of anger even worse than what we’ve seen in the townhalls thus far. They would be signing their way to minority status, especially in the House. They can kiss the rest of their agenda goodbye for the rest of this session, too, including cap-and-trade. Even budgeting will prove very difficult.
There’s a reason the Times didn’t mention reconciliation. It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Just wait until September 12th. These liberal fools have no idea what is coming. They seem to have their head in the sand. The American people are angry and will show up to have their voices heard. I opted out of vacations this year to go to DC. I am sure I am not the only one.

TXMomof3 on August 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM

You think you’ve seen angry “mobs” now libtards. Just try this reconciliation move and I would not be surprised to see congress critters drug out in the street and tarred and feathered. Please Harry, use reconciliation. This would be the catalyst for change I can believe in!

jwp1964 on August 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

It’s not hard to fact check data these days. Most of us are on a search for the truth. Where we find the truth is where you will find us hanging out.

It’s not real complicated.

Keemo on August 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM

yes he is….

PatriotRider on August 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

You’ve got to be kidding, have you heard this idiot talk? And the country is filled with even more foolish people than him, mainly the people who voted for him. It still amazes me that somehow somewhere this guy gave a speech once that impressed people enough that they voted for him.

Tommy_G on August 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Yar, this obviously be the wailin’ of a dyin’ creature

A_Pirates_Tooth on August 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Democrats might think that this will gain them sympathy with the public, but not if they’re breaking rules to pass an increasingly unpopular and intrusive piece of legislation. It will create a firestorm of anger even worse than what we’ve seen in the townhalls thus far. They would be signing their way to minority status, especially in the House. They can kiss the rest of their agenda goodbye for the rest of this session, too, including cap-and-trade. Even budgeting will prove very difficult.

So in other words…GO FOR IT, GUYS!!

Cylor on August 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Frank Luntz has good language advice: the “public option” is really a “government-run plan”. He says that “government-run plan” polls much worse than “public option” and “government-run plan” is more descriptive of the proposal in HR 3200.

clorensen on August 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM

However, if they do manage to get past that obstacle, the Republicans can shut down the Senate for the next year. Those unfamiliar with the parliamentary procedure may not realize that a great many steps get skipped by unanimous consent. Bill-reading is just one example. One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee. For ObamaCare and cap-and-trade, one bill reading could take a week, keeping the Senate floor locked off from any other business.

This is my fantasy scenario.

Lehosh on August 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Look our side is already spoiling for a fight and the left in their imperious arrogance is obliging us.

I say bring it. Make them use force to pass this and then make them use force to implement it.

We’ll destroy them in the States, in the courts, and in the electoral process. We’ll use nullification to start and escalate from there.

What I really want to see is if they are willing to use violence to impose their socialist takeover on us.

Once they do that the reckoning will begin.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Insurance is a math equation. Insurance is without passion. It is only numbers. The figures for premiums are derived from the claims that are paid.

The Public Option is bad because Americans go from being constituents to being LIABILITIES OF THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET if they are on the public plan.

ThackerAgency on August 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Such a simple, yet effective, explanation of why it’s a bad idea to put health care in the hands of the government.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 9:52 AM

As my options are to either laugh or cry, I think I’ll just pop a big ol’ bowl of hot buttered popcorn and LMAO.

patriette on August 19, 2009 at 9:52 AM

PUTTING PARTY ABOVE THE VOTING PUBLIC IS A NOT UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION THERE FORE ALL WHO VOTE FOR THIS UN AMERICAN HEALTH BILL ARE COMMITING TREASON ALSO WE ARE AT WAR PRESENTLY. HUMMMMMMMMM

rone5847 on August 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM

the Republicans can shut down the Senate for the next year.

Me likee!

rbj on August 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM

They know it’ll split the party wide open.

And the anger from the public will be intense.

A split party, angry constituents = losses next November.

No more phony baloney jobs in Washington.

Bluffing.

SteveMG on August 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM

I’m still a bit confused by “reconciliation”.

Wiki definition: intended to allow a contentious budget bill to be considered without being subject to filibuster.

They hold the cards. I don’t get it. I am certain they will ram this through; that’s a given because of their hubris. But why do they even need “reconciliation”?

keebs on August 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

If I remember correctly, Gingrich’s shutdown of Congress over budget issues to slow the rate of federal spending in the 1990s led to the re-election of Clinton. Most people want to slow federal spending. The current polls suggest that reform of healthcare is something that most people want, but they don’t like some of the details.

I think it would be a smart political move for the Dems to force this.

Jimbo3 on August 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I opted out of vacations this year to go to DC. I am sure I am not the only one.

TXMomof3 on August 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Good for you. I hope the turnout is massive.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

However, if they do manage to get past that obstacle, the Republicans can shut down the Senate for the next year.
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It won’t take the entire Republican caucus to gum up the works, either; it only takes a single objection to end unanimous consent, and the GOP has more than a couple of conservative firebrands who will gladly toss sand in the gears to stop Harry Reid from steamrolling them.

I say DO IT…. regardless, let’s shut this thing down… The GOP has been and will continue to be branded “The Party of No” no matter what they do…. might as well reap the benefits from it.

BPD on August 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM

But why do they even need “reconciliation”?

keebs on August 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Because, even with an overwhelming majority, they don’t have the 60 votes needed to end debate on the bill and bring it to a floor vote.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I guess it is safe to say support for the public option is not optional to Democrats. : ))

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/

Angry Dumbo on August 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I was able to sit through an entire segment last night with Keith Olbermann and Lawrence O’Donnell. Why? They were flabbergasted and nauseous over the results of their own poll.

Marcus on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I don’t know why you torture yourself like that.

As for the Dems and reconciliation, they’re crazy enough to try it. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid want the public option. They know their political fate is hanging in the balance. If this crashes and burns, they’ll be lame ducks. So why not give the American people the finger and try to ram this through? Hell, they already tried to do that last month.

Doughboy on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

I think it would be a smart political move for the Dems to force this.

Jimbo3 on August 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I agree. Bring it.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

However, if they do manage to get past that obstacle, the Republicans can shut down the Senate for the next year. Those unfamiliar with the parliamentary procedure may not realize that a great many steps get skipped by unanimous consent. Bill-reading is just one example. One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee. For ObamaCare and cap-and-trade, one bill reading could take a week, keeping the Senate floor locked off from any other business.

That right there had me laughing out loud. I’d LOVE it!

CurtZHP on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

What part of “we don’t want the government running our healthcare system” don’t they get? The audacity and arrogance is stunning. I’m telling you right now. If they ram this through AGAINST the will of America, there will be civil unrest and violence. People are fed up. People are tired of not being heard. People are furious at the disrespect their elected officials show them by not even taking the time to READ THESE BILLS. It’s a disgrace. It’s outrageous, and we won’t stand for it.

marklmail on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Harry Reid may not be foolish enough on his own (though I doubt it) but Nancy Pelosi kicks him in the crotch every time he doesn’t force the Senate to do what she can easily do in the House.

How long can he hold up against her?

myrenovations on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Insurance is a math equation. Insurance is without passion. It is only numbers. The figures for premiums are derived from the claims that are paid.

No. Figures for premiums in private insurance plans are determined by profit margins. And in the case of the health insurance industry those profit margins are pretty outrageous, 30-40%. Unfortunately, those profits have not led to lowering of premiums (only increasing) expansion of coverage to those with pre-existing conditions (restrictions have gotten worse). Instead they use those profits to pay off congressmen in both parties to ensure state insurance monopolies. Notice the Dem bill does not allow people to buy insurance across state lines. This is not because they are socialist, it’s because they are bought and sold many times over by health industry lobbysts.

The problem with the public option (or government option) is the CLAIMS. They are selling it as though somehow magically a government option will cost less to the individual or company per month.

Well they have evidence to back that up.
1. Citizens in every industrialized nation with some form of a public option pay less for healthcare, per citizen, than we do. I’ve yet to hear an argument for why cost savings are somehow possible everywhere else but America.

2. The best and most affordable healthcare coverage is offered by employers or state governments who have large pools. They are able to negotiate delivery costs at a low rate because of the number of contributors into the pool they receive every year.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Within polls that show a lack of support for Obama and Congressional Dems the public option still polls well as does reform in general.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

/snicker

Translation: the White House has been able to print up enough signs (with the self-indulgent O logo, naturally) and rent enough buses to shuttle their troop of paid cheerleaders around to Town Halls. Grassroots support!

Lehosh on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

There’s a reason the Times didn’t mention reconciliation. It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Spot on. As I said last night before the article came out…it’s mere useless preening by the democrats. They’re all betas. Weak and unable to fight.

SouthernGent on August 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM

What I really want to see is if they are willing to use violence to impose their socialist takeover on us.

Once they do that the reckoning will begin.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 9:52 AM

They are putting down tinder every day…force/violence to enforce their socialism would be the spark. I don’t think they have a clue. Americans will not surrender their freedom like sheep…

jwp1964 on August 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM

One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee. For ObamaCare and cap-and-trade, one bill reading could take a week, keeping the Senate floor locked off from any other business.

Hey where the hell have these fools been.
Thats’ one of the citizens major concerns READ THE BILL.
Maybe if they actually read the thing we wouldn’t have so many stupid laws .
I, dhunter, as a United States citizen object to Unanimous Consent and demand a reading of ALL bills!

dhunter on August 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Aw, leave CrankyMoby alone. He’s just being independent!

Jim Treacher on August 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Yes, yes, they are that foolish, Ed. They are also that arrogant, that desperate and that tone-deaf that they will try this.

Add to that the meeting with Bill Clinton yesterday. Who here doesn’t believe that Clinton egged on Obama, telling him to ram this through and everything will be okay? He most likely told him that his problem right now is that he’s appearing to not be decisive and that once he makes a strong decision and an even bolder move, the American people will rally behind him.

yogi41 on August 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I agree, and I also think the Clintons, being the snakes they are, haven’t missed the polls that show Barry tanking and Hillary rising. They’ll let Barry fall on his arrogant healthcare plan, and be happy to step in and “save” the Dem’s in 2012. It’s embarassing to see how narcissistic and childish our current administration is.

anniekc on August 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I was able to sit through an entire segment last night with Keith Olbermann and Lawrence O’Donnell. Why? They were flabbergasted and nauseous over the results of their own poll.
Marcus on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM

ME TOO

it was awesome

Keith just sat there and at the end said “well….. CRAP”

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Thanks, BadgerHawk.

keebs on August 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Bill-reading is just one example. One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee. For ObamaCare and cap-and-trade, one bill reading could take a week, keeping the Senate floor locked off from any other business.

I would love this! I would love to see them trip up on every ridiculous sentence in that thing.

Take a poll on this and I betcha a large majority would vote “Yes, read every line out loud.”

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

For someone who calls themself “CrankyIndependent” you seem very keen on the opportunity to become dependent on a creaky government system. The ‘Independent’ component of your moniker appears to be misleading.

DarkCurrent on August 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Americans will not surrender their freedom like sheep…

jwp1964 on August 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Sadly the argument could be made that we already have! By the stimulate the Democrat Party stimupaloosa, takeover of banks and Big Auto, payoffs to ACORN, the sheep are lined up at the gate. Next step is into the slaughterhouse!

dhunter on August 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee.

I would like the Republicans to hire Ben Stein to read the bills aloud in his signature droll nasal voice.

Disturb the Universe on August 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

There’s a reason the Times didn’t mention reconciliation. It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

It was pretty well written up until this point.

However, if they do manage to get past that obstacle, the Republicans can shut down the Senate for the next year. Those unfamiliar with the parliamentary procedure may not realize that a great many steps get skipped by unanimous consent.

You are forgetting that THEY WON. Rules schmules…they don’t need any stinking rules or constitution. They are passing legislation for the good of the sheople whether they know it or not. Parliamentary procedure…you may as well be speaking latin, with the education system today, you’re lucky to find someone who can read.

CMonster on August 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

One Senator can force each and every bill to be read aloud at every appearance it makes on the Senate floor, including when they are sent to committee.

I’ve never really understood why each and every bill is not read at every appearance. It might be the only time a senator actually hears what is in the bill he or she is voting on.

To those that argue that there are too many bills to make this efficient, I say that the Federal government is getting involved in too many areas of our lives that they don’t belong, and drastically cutting back on legislation is a wonderful side effect.

Vashta.Nerada on August 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

There’s a reason the Times didn’t mention reconciliation. It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Don’t beso sure,it has amazed me how foolish he can be when he puts his pea brain to it.

johnsteele on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Just curious, Cranky. Are you a licensed Insurance Agent? Where did you get this knowledge of the industry? Please cite your sources so we can all be as knowledgable.

kingsjester on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

The ‘Independent’ component of your moniker appears to be misleading.

DarkCurrent on August 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Maybe he meant to register as “CrankyinDepends”?

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

They’ll let Barry fall on his arrogant healthcare plan, and be happy to step in and “save” the Dem’s in 2012

If you oppose federal universal healthcare then count your lucky stars Hillary didn’t win. She was the most effective salesman for mandated, single payer healthcare I’ve ever seen on the national stage and she was particularly good at framing the debate in a maternal “let’s take care of our citizens” way that would have had female Dems and independents polling favorably out the wazoo.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Just wait until September 12th. These liberal fools have no idea what is coming. They seem to have their head in the sand. The American people are angry and will show up to have their voices heard. I opted out of vacations this year to go to DC. I am sure I am not the only one.

TXMomof3 on August 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Could this be exactly what they want. To push those citizen on the right so far that violence could erupt. Remember they use union thugs and their corrupt gang Acorn to get there way.Perhaps they’ll want a spark to ignite some where, with union thug/acorn help, and with the help of their buddies on the MSM blame those on the right to gain sympathy and outrage for the right by those moronic independents.

Jeff from WI on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Here are links to some polls, by the way. The public seems to want significant reform, and even the latest poll shows majority support for requiring coverage of pre-existing conditions with employer coverage/tax mandates.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32464936/ns/politics-white_house.

http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1562.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/majority-favors-healthcare-reform-this-year.aspx.

http://www.ebri.org/publications/ib/index.cfm?fa=ibDisp&content_id=4293

Jimbo3 on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

There’s a reason the Times didn’t mention reconciliation. It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Are you sure? remember this is the same bunch far left politicians who have just spent the last month vilifying their own constituents.

Trying to use reconciliation to pass Obamacare is exactly the sort of dumb move we have seen the current democrat leadership making time and time again, especially when their backs are against the wall.

Besides it wouldn’t surprise me if these clowns decided on a suicide play in order to ram Obamacare through, knowing full well that once this legislation is enacted there is no going back with Socialized health care creating a new entitlement driven voting block that the democrats can exploit at a later date.

Hellrider on August 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM

search4truth on August 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Endeavor to persevere.”

“And when we thought long enough on it, we declared…” zzzzzzzzzzzz

/If blatantblue’s around, note well the domestication of the civilized nation that illustrates yesterday morning’s point.

maverick muse on August 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM

And in the case of the health insurance industry those profit margins are pretty outrageous, 30-40%.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

See, this is what irritates the living crap outta me. Someone goes to some left website … sees some outrageous number and automatically assumes it to be true.

Just because you want to believe it doesn’t make it so. Insurance company profit margins probably run anywhere from 4 to 7 %. To believe 30-40% is just plain stupid.

darwin on August 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM

I would like the Republicans to hire Ben Stein to read the bills aloud in his signature droll nasal voice.

Disturb the Universe on August 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Why not just make Al Franken read it? Make him work for his money.

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Reid is exactly this foolish. The Dems really believe that the GOP is somehow in control of the Congressional agenda – because why else would things be less than perfect – and so they genuinely think they’re in a Clinton-era “government shutdown” environment. Since that went well for them they figure this will go well for them too.

I kind of think full-fledged ObamaCare is going to become a reality. Something is undeniably going to get passed. AP is right that if they’re abandoning any bipartisan pretensions the only option they’ve got is to make a play for the far left.

omriceren on August 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Why is it that the only problem with the system is the government option? Medicare and Medicaid are the ones going broke. They are using tax dollars of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN WORKER to pay claims at 30% LESS than private insurance companies.

Very few of the private plans are going bankrupt. State Department of insurances guarantee they have enough reserves to keep that from happening.

Every state approves every plan and rate every time there is a change.

Your 30% profit margin number is grossly inaccurate and I would argue an outright lie. You need to provide info to back that up. If you checked my link in my first post here, you would see that CONGRESS doesn’t even have this information . . . YET. Where did you get it?

Congress is threatening a subpoena of this information yet somehow you pull out an outrageous 30 – 40% profit margin figure.

If a company did that, competition would be on their tails offering lower rates for their plans. It happens. I know.

ThackerAgency on August 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM

If you oppose federal universal healthcare then count your lucky stars Hillary didn’t win.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

I do this most every day.

myrenovations on August 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Premiums are high mainly because of government action or inaction. Too much regulation and failure to control the massive influx of illegals into the country.

darwin on August 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM

It’s a bluff. Not even Harry Reid is this foolish.

Well, Henry Waxman is that foolish. He said in an interview on local Houston Radio that this is exactly what they intended to do. They just need to get some sort of bill passed in the Senate before they can get their heads together with the President and write the bill they really want.

It sacred the pants off me to hear how nonchalant he was about it.

Of course they have to pass a bill first. Here’s hoping that effort crashes and burns.

psychofilly on August 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM

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