Jesse Jackson Jr: The public option would be as awesome as the post office
posted at 2:10 pm on August 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
A layer cake of stupidity, starting with the fact that this guy’s actually doubling down on one of the dumbest gaffes committed by The One since he took office. Parse his logic: If we didn’t have the postal service as an alternative to private carriers like Fed Ex, UPS, and DHL, what, oh what, would stop them from charging $100 per letter? Any theories, possibly involving basic economic dynamics and/or longstanding federal statutes? For fun, try putting the question to a fifth-grader and see if he comes up with an answer more incisive than Triple J.
To think, some people are worried that Obamanomics is based on a very, very deep misunderstanding of economics.
The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke.
The public is left with one of two unsettling conclusions: Either the president doesn’t understand the health-insurance reform plans working their way through Congress, or he understands both the plans and the implications and is being untruthful about the impact.
Neither option is good; ignorance is clearly preferable to the alternative.
Preferable, yes, but less likely. Exit question one: Who wants to break the news to Jackson that the money-hemorrhaging postal service has a legal monopoly on first-class mail, which, possibly, means we pay more to send a letter than we would if Fed Ex et al. were allowed to compete? Exit question two: If Jackson’s so worried about monopoly power over health care, why on earth would he support a public option whose creator openly admits that it’s bound to lead to single-payer? Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?
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These clueless imbeciles must be stopped. It’s stunning.
marklmail on August 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM
can’t I just buy me a senate seat?
WashJeff on August 19, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Do these people think that just because the flag is flying outside of the Post Office that it is an efficient entity? Have any of them been inside of the P.O.? Done any transactions with the USPS? I believe that they use the USPS as an example for us to point out that when they need more money to keep it afloat they just raise prices. That is what will happen with Healthcare also, except they will raise taxes not stamp prices. We are also not forced to us the USPS, FedEx or UPS, but they are forcing us to choose a healthcare plan.
thomasaur on August 19, 2009 at 2:36 PM
ahh……..I hate to answer your questions as to whether this nit wit is just plain ignorant or is “spinning” – he’s a product of “Affirmative Action” – where dumb as you are – you go to the front of the line………….end of story…..
Cinday Blackburn on August 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Affirmative Action and/or Peter Principle.
daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
And Obama doesn’t deliver on his promises. So there, we’re even.
/Obamalogic.
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
It’s so impolite to call a distinguished elected official (or even a Chicago politician) ignorant, so let’s just say that JJJ has a grip on basic economic principles that’s every bit as firm as that of The One.
JudetheFossil on August 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Those two are a father-son team that is the embodiment of all arguments against affirmative action.
Dark-Star on August 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Idiot. I was looking for a way to cleverly say that… but he’s just an idiot.
He does, however, quite accurately reflect the “reasoning” of the leftists I know.
mankai on August 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM
If Obama really considers the USPS to be in direct competition with say UPS, does this mean I can get my passport from UPS? Maybe the processing would be quicker.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 2:40 PM
USPS vs FedEx/UPS is not quite an apples to apples comparison with ObamaCare vs Private Insurers.
If you tweak it a bit though, you’ll begin to see what the real issue is. Assume that there was a law that regulated how much UPS/FedEx workers had to be paid, how they could operate and what they were allowed to charge. Laws that forced them to provide service that wasn’t wanted at a price that was so low that they were hemoragging money.
Now, assume that the government was providing the same crappy service for the same low price.
There’s really not much competition there. Use UPS/FedEx or the Post Office….it doesn’t really matter. The larger difference is on the back end. The U.S. government can keep raising taxes and printing money to cover the shortfall in their operating budgets each year. UPS/FedEx wouldn’t be able to do that. Eventually, they would be forced out of business….
Because FedEx and UPS are allowed to operate in a relatively free market with package delivery, they’re able to beat the post office on a regular basis.
If they were allowed to try with first class mail, we’d likely see an improvement there as well.
JadeNYU on August 19, 2009 at 2:40 PM
*hemoragging should be hemorrhaging
JadeNYU on August 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Good God, how did we end up with people like this in Washington? Forget literacy tests for voters…how about one for candidates?
Dee2008 on August 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM
There is nothing going on behind that huge forehead.
Theworldisnotenough on August 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Personally, I think they are far from clueless. They know EXACTLY what they’re doing. This is what happens when idiots elect socialists to public office.
BillC on August 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Calling Cliff Claven and Newman, the postal service needs your help. When you finish please help our health care system.
hip shot on August 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I don’t know about you… But I’m looking forward to my lazy ass bon-bon eating do-nothing ain’t gone work for da man to get their gyno and prostrate exams at the DMV.
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Let’s flesh out the stunning stupidity of my President and my U.S. Representative just a little bit.
Jaibones on August 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM
BINGO! We have BINGO!
AW1 Tim on August 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Racist.
/
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
It has finally become right out front for all the public to see. All those years of liberal inbreeding have resulted in this kind of mindless drivel. If you are not able to follow-the-leader you are lost in the wilderness.
Where are all the trolls to explain this deviant strain of economics?
Yoop on August 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Why are we even hearing from him? Did his check to Blago bounce costing him Obama’s old Senate seat?
DrAllecon on August 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Well, your enigma would be understandable but for our clever Congress critters. In case you missed it, in a secret vote, Congress repealed the law of supply in demand using reconciliation. They plan on solving the energy crisis next week by rejecting Newton’s law of gravity when it comes up for renewal.
MJBrutus on August 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM
See my previous comment. I STRONGLY agree with the concept of requiring a test to vote. Freedom is much to precious to be frittered away by people voting for someone just because they are black and the voter thinks they’re a “cool” candidate.
BillC on August 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM
I hope Janet Reno’s fist will be doing all of the Chicago area colonoscopies.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Shhhhh… It’s nap time. You mustn’t wake them before their naps are over. Racist.
/
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Yep, and sadly the investigations often take longer than their terms, and in some cases (Murtha ex) they just get re-elected anyways.
Ozprey on August 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
But he didn’t rhyme! Who can take him seriously or remember any of it when it doesn’t rhyme?
MJBrutus on August 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I’m black that is impossible!
Theworldisnotenough on August 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Jeeze Oh Petes. You owe me a keyboard.
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Maybe he and Meghan can form a club for sons and daughters of politicans.
Oil Can on August 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Face it, we’re all doomed. When this garbage is presented as reasoned political debate by a major national news outlet, it is quite clear what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said “A republic, if you can keep it.” We tried, but we couldn’t keep it.
cirrus on August 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM
“Freedom is much to precious” ??? GRAMMAR FAIL.
Freedom is FAR TOO precious. That’s better. I’m normally more on the ball than that.
BillC on August 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM
served up with some spit in it, no doubt.
Jerome Horwitz on August 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM
He only adds to his stupid/liar quotient by repeating the 47 million bs.
aikidoka on August 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Well at least everyone is getting a good eyeful of our local Chicago pols (ncluding those in national office), as embarassing as that is. As the late, great Mike Royko said, the unoffical motto of Chicago is “Where’s mine?” These guys and gals are absolutely geniuses when it comes to accumulating power, feathering their own nests and ripping off the taxpayers. They are not so smart when they have to act in the best interest of the public, and take their buddies off the gravy train. Good government types here are infantilized by the political overlords as “goo-goos,” and the local machine is famous for not wanting “nobody that nobody sent.” I heard a City Hall reporter opine that waste, fraud and inefficency eats up about 30% of local tax dollars, and the Better Government Association executive director stated that he would consider it a success if reforms could cut two percent off the “corruption tax” which I think he estimated at about 20% (not sure of the figure). There are several generations of some families who just work this corrupt system for their benefit, and enthusiastically, if not thuggishly, support everything the political bosses want, because they are getting a piece of the action.
jmurphy on August 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM
If crooks were smart there would be a lot less of them in prison.
Yoop on August 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Why do we allow these clowns to call it or any government assistance anything other than government assistance or in this case government option? Since most of us are forced to donate via tax increases than it is government not public.
larvcom on August 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM
JJJ’s problem? As my old man used to say, “We shall reach greater and greater platitudes of achievement.” Yes we did.
MayorDaley on August 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I’m tan. And I’ve been told in the last 2 weeks that I’m a:
Nazi
Un-American
Domestic Terrorist
Astroturf Person (wtf is that anyway?)
Extremist
Racist
Thug
Disrupter
…
I’ve been called so much chit in the last 2 weeks I can’t keep track of it all!
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Considering how often our letters get lost by the post office in my small town . . . we actually go to a completely different post office which is much SMALLER and is much more efficient.
If Universal Healthcare would be as great as the post office on that large of a scale . . . I wouldn’t trust them with my tonsils. I don’t know where they’d turn up.
Ingenue on August 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I owe you nothing, but I will lobby the gubmint to give you a new one.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Sure, happens all the time…
Ozprey on August 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Speak for yourself, dear poster.
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Can someone tell me how this man was ever elected to office? No one in public office should be this dumb.
SC.Charlie on August 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
There would not be monopolies or “trusts” without government interference. Government creates the monopolies.
The Dean on August 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Vendi, the USPS offers priority, or overnite service now BECAUSE UPS DELIVERS THEIR PKGS FOR THEM.This is the dirty little secret. They cannot even deliver their own overnight pkgs. I love the nicknames Triple J and Jcubed. Too funny. Also, the USPO in my town is open 9-12, 2-4:30 M,T,Th,F. It is open 9-12 on Wed and Sun. That’s it. Plus being closed for 9 jillion holidays.Sounds like the clinic in Canada that my friend uses, except she doesn’t always get seen even if she makes it during the correct hours. Yay! Can’t wait for that kind of fun and great care.
di butler on August 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
^creates and sustains
The Dean on August 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
No thanks. Lobbyists are forbidden in Obama’s gubmint.
/say what?
You STILL owe me a keyboard.
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Ah, Jesse Jackson, Junior. Future Senator from Illinois, it’s just a matter of whether he defeats Burris or Durbin in the primary…
Despite the crap that flows forth from his mouth, JJJ is actually pretty bright – he’s just never worked in the actual private sector. Being in his daddy’s shadow has that effect, eh?
Interesting is one word to describe politics in Illinois. As in “That new strain of flesh-eating bacteria has some interesting mutations…”
Mew
acat on August 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
$100,000.00
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Personal Responsibility is so Booosh Era.
Embrace the change.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
This time I actually watched this nitwit speak. The most amazine part of it is seeing the look on his face at the end — so proud of his clever explanation of why 2 + 2 = 127.
This is a special kind of stupid.
Jaibones on August 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Do borrow his daddy’s shtick: We need capitalism, not Capitolism.
Another genius speaks: “Is that an example that makes good, logical sense to you?”
Jim Treacher on August 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM
It’s what Axelrod did to Obama’s base to get him elected. When people started to call them out on it they said “I know you are, but what am I?” and tried to stick it on Town Hall protesters.
Ozprey on August 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Man….I paid nearly 5 million for that senate seat, then that nasty suckah came in at the last minute and outbid meh.
DAYUM!
Spiritk9 on August 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM
First of all, housing is a ridiculous analogy because public housing is a social support program. Most people aren’t “in the market” for public housing the way they are for private housing. There are income eligibility requirements, for example.
The analogy also fails because the express desire of the proponents of public education and public housing and public safety hasn’t been to eliminate private provision of those goods or services (yet). You pay for public schools whether you use them or not — in fact whether you have kids or not, and if you have kids, whether you have them in public schools or not. Where the option has been presented to leave a funding choice in the hands of the consumer, as is the case in education with vouchers, the public establishment has labored mightily to restrict the market for private competition. Try again.
DrSteve on August 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM
As a people we are pretty clueless when it comes to economics or else people like this criminal would be laughed right off the stage.
lilium on August 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM
That’s E-bay for ya! (and we’d probably get a better crop of congresscritters)
Ozprey on August 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
The Dean on August 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
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This one, I have to call out.
Monopoly is the natural goal for any business – to create an environment where there is no competition.
Monopolies are not necessarily malignant, although they’re certainly not necessarily benign.
Government-permitted monopolies, in the electrical power arena for instance, bind the one remaining company into a straitjacket, to ensure it’s behaviour is, at worst, benign.
Mew
acat on August 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Hehe
Thanks
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Chicago, Chicago. Thats what you get when you have been ‘organized’ by a communist!
Organized is a synonym for Obotamized.
txdoc on August 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
You said that on another thread and it wasn’t correct then and it isn’t correct now, as my quoted response to you over there shows. Yes, I know it’s bad form to quote oneself, but this whole public/private competition thing is just ridiculous, especially when the architect of the main underpinnings of the “public option” specifically says it will push private insurers out of business.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/290735.php
venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I apologise to the rest of the US for the politicians that come out of Illinois. I was born and raised here, but I will be leaving soon. This state is nothing more than an big red state with a powerful blue city of socialism. Highest taxes in the country, crook after crook, both parties mind you, and debt beyond repair. We are being taxed out of our homes and they blame the banks. We have tried to build hospitals and they deny permits, thus keeping costs high and people from fast emergency care. They take gas tax intended for roads and spend it elsewhere, lottery money intended for schools and spend it elsewhere. The Chicago political machine is now in charge of your country. As you can see, it will not take them long to destroy it. While I will admit bush turned out to be an idiot when it came to fiscal policy, what this administration does will make bush look like a conservative again. Illinois sucks. Thats all I can say. But no worse than California, New York, or Pennsylvania. It it any wonder that the biggest debtor states are the most liberal?
CriticalUpdate on August 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Her name is Harley Quinn. ;-)
Ingenue on August 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Two words.
Mo. Ron.
jrouse9394 on August 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM
You need to join a Tea Party movement. You don’t have to take this laying down. Millions of us are not. Why should you?
Key West Reader on August 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Isn’t that exactly why there’s an Electoral Congress…in the event people are misled, or uneducated enough, etc to make a sound voting decision?
JetBoy on August 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM
*Electoral COLLEGE
not Congress…oopsie
JetBoy on August 19, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Come to think about it; the man is probably RIGHT! The Post Office is a loser, and has been for many years, and ObamaCare is exactly the same thing!
GoldenEagle4444 on August 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Dumber. Than. Rocks.
UltimateBob on August 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Wow. Just….wow.
rollthedice on August 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Jessie Jackass Junior is an imbecile. If I was the man in charge of Federal Express, UPS or DHL I would stick a boot up his ass. I would issue a very harsh statement condemning the Post Office as a near-bankrupt example of what happens when the government runs business (into the ground), and then criticize Jessie Jackass Junior as an economically illiterate imbecile who doesn’t understand something as simple as why charging $100 for postal delivery would be bad for business. I’d also explain that he’s so stupid, he doesn’t even get the fact that e-mail isn’t hurting FedEx, UPS or DHL; it’s hurting the USPS. Then, I’d go on to talk about the fact that we provide our employees with very good health benefits, and that Jessie Jackass Junior is merely looking to push a socialist agenda that would penalize corporations like FedEx & UPS if they continued to provide these services to their employees. Furthermore, I’d go to his office and say it to his face, on camera.
Virus-X on August 19, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Triple JJJ’s argument is nonsensical and circular. He bamboozles himself as he tries to bamboozle his constituents with his glib nonsense. My USPS postal carrier is angry every time that she has to exit her postal chariot to carry a package 20 feet to my door. Lately, she stands just outside the chariot and throws it at the door and then flips her considerable mullet back over her shoulder and clambers back into the chariot! And this is the analogy for health care reform? What a maroon.
twhfan on August 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much biology
Don’t know much about a economics book
Don’t know much about the constitutional law I took
But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be
La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(History)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Biology)
La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(Economics book)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Constitutional law I took)
But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be
MB4 on August 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM
If I send my kids to private school, will I get a tax refund for my portion of taxes which is applied to public schools?
Bishop on August 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Look, cons. They’re going to do socialism right this time. THIS TIME!
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Was JJJ educated in a GOVERNMENT SCHOOL ? Silly question and doesn’t matter. He has been Obatomized as well
hamradio on August 19, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Hehe… they’ll keep their gold plated plans this time.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM
What a moron. I’m sure that comment means I’m a racist now. Ah, the new politics.
CP on August 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM
“…Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?”
Do I have to pick one? Are the two mutually exclusive?
azlibertarian on August 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Well of course, when you put it that way “Triple J”, sign me up! /sarc
I feel your pain, I was just a youngster when I lived in Chicago but I do remember the folks talking about what a crook Daley was and how bad the corruption was. I remember vividly the 68 Democratic convention. It’s a nice place to visit, Chicago, but…
scalleywag on August 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
But the only time you’re going to have NO competition is when the government becomes too involved. In any pure market system, there will always be at least some competition.
The Dean on August 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
+1
NickelAndDime on August 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
With an administration filled by and supported by psychopaths and morons it’s is becoming increasingly difficult to separate out the two.
MB4 on August 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
What was the “look” he gives at the end of the clip?
scalleywag on August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
I watched it again. I actually felt myself get dumber.
rollthedice on August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Bishop on August 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM
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Only if there’s a functioning school voucher/school choice program….
Mew
acat on August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Lenin referred to people such as Jesse Jackson, Jr., and the usual suspects, as “useful idiots.”
Let’s just call them “idiots.”
coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
JJJ knows who his audience is and is talking to them. They are the ones dumber than a box of rocks and JJJ knows it and will say anything to get this POS legislation passed.
JJJ and the dems still think that they have the numbers on their side to get this done.
cjs1943 on August 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM
What a moron. Does he not realize that competition keeps prices down. Does he not realize that UPS and DHL and FedEx are in competition with each other for business, and that is why they charge a reasonable rate for a fair profit.
If it weren’t for UPS, DHL, FedEx and the others, the USPS would have a monopoly on the movement of packages and letters, and then you could bet that they wouldn’t be in the red, because they could charge an arm and a leg to carry your letters.
Thank God we live in a free market, capitalist nation where good works are rewarded.
DuctTapeMyBrain on August 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM
The Dean on August 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
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Do me a favor, Dean. Go read up on a little something called the Standard Oil Trust. Then come talk to me about monopolies.
Mew
acat on August 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM
You know, the liberal agenda is such a utopia! Look how freakin’ awesome the economies in Michigan, NY, California are!
teffertoes on August 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM
teffertoes on August 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM
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Don’t forget Illinois and New Jersey!
Mew
acat on August 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM
More proof that a “public option” is only step one:
http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2009/08/from-the-trojan-horses-mouth-they-plan-on-a-slippery-slope.html
It takes a special type of jerk to lie right to Americans’ faces and tell them “Oh, don’t worry, it won’t lead to single payer”, when they know very clearly that’s where it will lead. These people are scum.
venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM
What’s all this talk about a “pubic option“? Are greedy doctors going to cut off our ‘nads?
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM
now there are 47 million uninsured? Yesterday there were supposedly 40 million. Did 7 million people get cut from the rolls??
Then there’s his LAMEO “analysis” of free enterprise.
Let’s say there’re two sandwich shops on opposite corners. The ONLY thing that keeps them from charging $1,000 per sandwich is the existance of the Soup Kitchen at the Homeless shelter!
did I get that right?
Justrand on August 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM
They don’t call it snail mail for nothing! Such will be with ObamaCare…SnailCare!
fbcmusicman on August 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Comparing buying a stamp to using FEDEX is moronic. Let’s see with FEDEX you get guaranteed next day delivery by 10:00 a.m. for about $15.00 or you can send the same thing in envelop with a stamp for a 1 oz letter that could take up to week to arrive at it’s destination without any proof of deliver and if it’s lost in the mail too bad. So is this how our Public Health Option is going be? Waiting in line for who knows how long to visit a doctor that probably will work from 8-5 and too bad if you get sick before after office hours. If this is the best example of how public health care is going to work that’s very sad indeed.
Texasrocker on August 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM
I suspected Allah was going to like this clip. I howled when I saw it last night.
“It’s gold, Jerry, pure gold.”
At the risk of alienating a member of a group we’d like to see more of in under the conservative tent, I do hope JJJ remains outside the tent until he provides proof that’s passed a college-level course in basic economics and, for good measure, a course in personal finance at a local community college.
BuckeyeSam on August 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM
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