Jesse Jackson Jr: The public option would be as awesome as the post office

posted at 2:10 pm on August 19, 2009 by Allahpundit

A layer cake of stupidity, starting with the fact that this guy’s actually doubling down on one of the dumbest gaffes committed by The One since he took office. Parse his logic: If we didn’t have the postal service as an alternative to private carriers like Fed Ex, UPS, and DHL, what, oh what, would stop them from charging $100 per letter? Any theories, possibly involving basic economic dynamics and/or longstanding federal statutes? For fun, try putting the question to a fifth-grader and see if he comes up with an answer more incisive than Triple J.

To think, some people are worried that Obamanomics is based on a very, very deep misunderstanding of economics.

The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke.

The public is left with one of two unsettling conclusions: Either the president doesn’t understand the health-insurance reform plans working their way through Congress, or he understands both the plans and the implications and is being untruthful about the impact.

Neither option is good; ignorance is clearly preferable to the alternative.

Preferable, yes, but less likely. Exit question one: Who wants to break the news to Jackson that the money-hemorrhaging postal service has a legal monopoly on first-class mail, which, possibly, means we pay more to send a letter than we would if Fed Ex et al. were allowed to compete? Exit question two: If Jackson’s so worried about monopoly power over health care, why on earth would he support a public option whose creator openly admits that it’s bound to lead to single-payer? Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?



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can anyone say “public school” prodigy….

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM

It takes a special type of jerk to lie right to Americans’ faces…

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM

In their minds, they are very special indeed. Us….not so much…

Ozprey on August 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Lenin referred to people such as Jesse Jackson, Jr., and the usual suspects, as “useful idiots.”

Let’s just call them “idiots.”

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I’ve seen some people use idjits.

BuckeyeSam on August 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM

This guy is just before a federal indictment for pay to play so why is he even speaking?

patriotparty1 on August 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I’m from the government and I’m here to …… show you how stoopid I am.

“The Post Office has stamps.” Hee Hee.

fogw on August 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Exit question two: If Jackson’s so worried about monopoly power over health care, why on earth would he support a public option whose creator openly admits that it’s bound to lead to single-payer? Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?

Both

Janos Hunyadi on August 19, 2009 at 3:36 PM

public-Schmublic; call it what it is The Government option.

PaCadle on August 19, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Before the Post office there were hundreds of private mail services all across the colonies and across early America, up till the Civil War period, and beyond. The US Post Office Department did not have a complete monopoly on delivery of mail until the late 1800′s. When the old Rural Express Agency started delivering packages at a cheaper bulk rate than the post office back in the late 19th Century and early days of the 20th Century, they broke the Post Office Department’s short-term monopoly. at least insofar as package delivery was concerned.

Some 20 or 3o years ago, Fedex, DHL, UPS, Airborne Express and a host of others all started out as small regional companies, and at the time there was skepticism as to how well they would do. They had incentive to build a better mousetrap, and they did. Now we have three giants and a large number of smaller carriers. Competing with each other for faster service, lower rates, specialized markets, or regions, offering incentives for the customer.

The USPS in the meantime? Lost a huge share of their monopoly. What did the USPS do? They raised rates. Got involved in expensive schemes, tried to out-Fedex Fedex, and tried some other pretty dumb ideas along the way, and each year have petitioned Congress for more funding, or permission to raise rates.

If the USPS would devote their energies to delivering first-class, certified, and registered mail, and let the private companies focus on packages over 5 pounds, they could turn a profit…if they wished to do so. [BTW, under the terms of UPU Agreements and treaties, going back a hundred years or so, first-class mail can only be delivered by a government mail service in order to interface with other (foreign) government mail services, and receive remuneration for postage and services. Fedex and the rest have to use their own facilities, and cannot, under treaty, send packages to or through a foreign mail service.]

Do what you do well. Let others who do something else well do it well.

That is the essential free market.

Now, if these idiots want to emulate the Postal Service…they must then allow for unfettered operation of private agencies…in this case insurers…or else they will find very soon that the services they may offer, or can offer, will be severely limited as their budgets go off the scale and the rationing of care must, by necessity, begin.

But, that is rational thinking…and there is precious little of that going on in the White House and Congress these days.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I guess this is kind of like all of the millions Obumer got for Rezco the jailed slumlord to furnish affordable housing to those poor people on the south side.
After he “helped” them out and took care of them, they all had housing, and heat? No, when it was below zero outside, they all went without heat and Rezco had to be sued over several different properties to force him to turn it on.
Is that how you are going to “help” us with health care Oblahblah?

patriotparty1 on August 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM

It seems the acorn didn’t fall far from the tree with this dope.

BallisticBob on August 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Wow. Highly enriched, fissile stupidity.

Does a ventriloquist have a hand shoved up his backside? Because there is no way a mammal with a brain could say this stuff.

George Orwell on August 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM

This is why I go to the government gas station. If not for them, Exxon could charge $100/gal for gasoline.

mankai on August 19, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I agree 100% of everything he said

liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I wish it were possible for today’s Americans to drive through East Germany as it was in the 60′s-80′s.

The DDR was the best worst case for government control of everything. Got to the point where East Germany had to import labor from Mozambique, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, and other socialists states in order to meet even the slimmest projections of their five-year plans. Most German East Germans understood that if you showed up to work and punched in, you’d get paid for the day…regardless if you produced anything, or even stayed the whole day. The DDR Constitution guaranteed a job, income, food, medical care, housing, retirement…everything except freedom. Even the vaunted Stasi had this work ethic toward the end.

And the DDR was where all the rest of the socialist states headed when they wanted scarce expensive things like toasters, tv’s, or just regular things like socks and underwear. Those of us who saw the DDR up close, understand full well the dangers to all of us as a society should we have a government that believes if the “right people” are in charge, that socialist model can work.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Fred Smith wrote up the basic idea for FedEx as Harvard MBA paper and got a C on it.

progressoverpeace on August 19, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Obviously it will never work.

NickelAndDime on August 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Think he went to Yale.

riverrat10k on August 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Wow!! If stamps cost $100 I or most people I know would never be able to send any mail!! And those greedy companies like Fedex, UPS and DHL would all be laughing at our inability to afford their overpriced services. /sarc off
I cant beleive that tool actually used that example, and he sounded so sincere about it as well.

Koa on August 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM

He’s my Representative. I’m so proud/

Knucklehead on August 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Yes-and our district is the same one that gave the US Gus Savage and Mel Reynolds.
Aren’t we lucky?/

annoyinglittletwerp on August 19, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Jesse Jr., much like your father, it is time for you to have a tall cool glass of STFU.

JohnGalt23 on August 19, 2009 at 3:58 PM

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Tragically, all the “right people” have learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it “socialism”. Old wine in new bottles.

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM

This schmuck was one of the key people responsible for preventing any rational regulation of Fannie Mae. He ought to be in prison.

By the way, Jesse Jr. also thinks health care is a right and even supports a new constitutional convention to make it so, along with housing and jobs.

rockmom on August 19, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?

.
I’m thinking BOTH!

ronsfi on August 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM

The only thing that would be good about the basic postal services being privatized is that first class postage would be around $2-3.00 and junk mail would disappear.

Wouldn’t be mailing very many Christmas cards, though.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

This guy is a bloody moron. In addition to the other astute comments, the public option is “a stamp and email?” – WTF? How did email get into this discussion?

redfoxbluestate on August 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

A layer cake of stupidity

That quote is destined for viral immortality. May the name Allahpundit forever be remembered as its creator. Let the history books of blogdom make note of this day.

Onus on August 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Some maybe cant read and dont know the history of the post office and packages. The post office use to have a monopoly of packages also, but recently they privatized it. In doing so, they also told them that they could not charge below a certain price, seems like it was like $12.00 back then, while the post office did it for less.

In some ways that is how Obamacare will be.

The point is, UPS, FedEx, DHL, they have to charge more than the post office. So those saying that without the post office the package companies would be charging $100, dont get it, they would be charging less if it was not for the USPS.

WoosterOh on August 19, 2009 at 4:12 PM

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.Cliched,but true.

DDT on August 19, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Just watched that. Yikes, he is stupid.

clorensen on August 19, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I agree 100% of everything he said

liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

So…illiterate and stupid? What a surprise.

Jaibones on August 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Pure stupidity, inherited from his abhorrent racist father and now transmitted backwards-and-forwards between JJJ and his equally corrupt and inept wife, Sandra.

One Against Many on August 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM

That quote is destined for viral immortality. May the name Allahpundit forever be remembered as its creator. Let the history books of blogdom make note of this day.

Onus on August 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Let’s just hope he didn’t pirate that from Kos. In the meanwhile — all praise to Allah.

Jaibones on August 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I agree 100% of everything he said

liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Hey everybody look! liberal343 is back with a new nick only 15 mins after being banned in the ‘Disgrace’ headline!

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM

txag92 on August 19, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Yep, he was and for $500K, a “mere pittance”, he could have been sitting in Burris’ seat. Truly our loss is great!

/sarc

ya2daup on August 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Every time somebody like liberal4eva speaks, another couple Americans move over to the right.

At this rate, I figure by next November when election day arrives, there will be an 80% or so of Americans who will vote for anybody but a Dem.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I wonder what percentage of the 47-million Americans without healthcare also don’t own computers. Maybe we should all chip in and buy them PCs so they can setup free email accounts and quit buying the 1st Class postage the usps gouges us on every year. Then, they can also set up online electronic bill payments and have them deducted from their bank accounts automatically each month so they never miss a payment and thus are not charged a late fee. And just think how they’ll be contributing to a healthier environment by doing their part to eliminate paper waste. I’m sure this is all part of Barry’s vision of hope ‘n’ change. If not, I sure hope I haven’t given him any ideas.

Goldy1 on August 19, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I can not believe how ignorant this guy is. The acorn doesn’t roll very far from the tree, does it? By the way, why hasn’t he been indicted yet for trying to buy Obama’s senate seat?

kens on August 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I wish it were possible for today’s Americans to drive through East Germany as it was in the 60’s-80’s.

The DDR was the best worst case for government control of everything.

And the DDR was where all the rest of the socialist states headed when they wanted scarce expensive things like toasters, tv’s, or just regular things like socks and underwear. Those of us who saw the DDR up close, understand full well the dangers to all of us as a society should we have a government that believes if the “right people” are in charge, that socialist model can work.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM

The USSR has come and gone; the Soviet rule of East Berlin has come and gone; anyone with the stomach to do so can poke through the rubble of post-Communist Russia and Germany, read released segments of KGB and STASI archives, talk to people who lived in that world and hear what their wretched lives were like: see their 3-room walkup apartments and look at their 2-cylinder cars and their plastic shoes and clothing, and learn about their medical and dental care and their diet and the grim, grey, grimy world they inhabited.

For a half-century of Cold War, we in the U.S. taxed ourselves trillions of dollars for defense, and accepted tens of thousands of our people killed and injured, in a war that eventually freed the Berliners, among others, from Communism.

But BY GOD I’d love to see the Lefties’ beloved Communism re-instituted! I’d love to see it shoved up the Lefties ALL the way to the hilt — and broken off. I’d love to see every Leftie who swoons at the glories of Socialism compelled to LIVE under it for two centuries, since most of one century evidently wasn’t long enough to give them a clue.

Stick it in slowly and covertly, Obama-Socialist-fashion, if necessary. Or stick it in openly and briskly, euro-Socialist style, if possible. Whatever the tactics, I say GIVE people the Socialism they so deeply crave. I’ll leave the world a smiling, happy man if I can see that justice done.

HalJordan on August 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I agree 100% of everything he said

liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Well, that’s just super! Now take your ticket and step to the front of the Death Panel’s “checkout” line. Really. We insist.

ya2daup on August 19, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Jessie Jackson Jr.?
The nuts do not fall too far from the tree!

What the Hell is he talking about? We have USPS to Thank for DHL not overcharging us? WTF!!!!!!!!
Hey Moron, without USPS if DHL overcharged us the free market system would provide us with more providers which equals competition and lower pricing unless they all get together and fix pricing which btw is illegal in all state except Illinois!

Do you ever get out of Chicago?

BigMike252 on August 19, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Between him and his president, maybe by 2012 we can finally put a stake through the heart of affirmative action.

tru2tx on August 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Think he went to Yale.

riverrat10k on August 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Thanks, riverrat10k. My mistake. There seem to be a few bios of Smith out there that assign the story to Harvard Business, but it was at Yale undergrad. The quote I found (though I can’t vouch for this) is:

“The concept is interesting and wellformed, but in order to earn better than a ‘C,’ the idea must be feasible.”

— A management professor commenting to Fred Smith, founder of Federal Express, on his paper written while he was a student at Yale proposing the creation of a reliable overnight delivery service.

progressoverpeace on August 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I found an interesting test file on the USPS server. It may be their playbook for the Mailbox issue. USPS is the only people allowed to use it (I use to deliver mail), if Avon person puts anything in the boxes, USPS can charge that person for the use.

Anyways, here is good read into their take on deregulation and allowing others to use the mailbox

WoosterOh on August 19, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Jesse Jackson Jr shows that you can be economically illiterate and get rich by extorting payoffs from businesses with bogus threats to tar them as racist.

Tantor on August 19, 2009 at 4:43 PM

HalJordan on August 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM
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I’m happy with that, other than we’d likely end up re-fighting the civil war once the Communist States of America fail utterly.

Mew

acat on August 19, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Does a ventriloquist have a hand shoved up his backside? Because there is no way a mammal with a brain could say this stuff.

George Orwell on August 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Or that a mammal with a brain would believe it.

hillbilly on August 19, 2009 at 4:49 PM

HalJordan on August 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I’m with you, man. We’ll see how much the average Leftist’s second-tier state school Bachelor’s degree in Sociology (I’m looking at you ‘liberal4eva’) gets him when the harvest fails and the Harvard boys at the top of the heap gotta eat. They can’t all be the party elite.

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Q: stamp is to e-mail as brain is to ____?

A: moron (the second item never makes use of the first)

ya2daup on August 19, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I think Jesse Sr. was partying with Marion Barry earlier in the evening the night Jesse Jr. was conceived.

I also think I’m probably a bitter, gun and bible clinging, ignorant, racist, cracker-ass evil-mongering promoter of fishy fallacies. But, hey, I’ve got some really nice black velvet Elvis paintings.

Doorgunner on August 19, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Ironically, I just tried to log into the USPS website to take care of a Priority Mail letter.

I get this message:

The website cannot display the page
HTTP 500

Most likely causes:
•The website is under maintenance.
•The website has a programming error.

Yeah. I want the gubmint involved in the most personal and important aspects of my life.

At least I can go to FEDEX.

tru2tx on August 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM

The last good speech Jackson’s dad gave was way back in 1991.

Had a lot more content than anything his son has ever said.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Weapons-grade stupidity.

greggriffith on August 19, 2009 at 5:06 PM

The Mini Me to The Ones Dr Evil.

Seriously, this chump is pathetic. Doesn’t even have the brains to think about what Bacrock O’BS he is repeating and expanding upon.

I fully expect to see this moron up next with people who claim their Docs cut off their legs for cash.

BillaryMcBush on August 19, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?

Not mutually exclusive. I vote for both.

chemman on August 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM

liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Please tell me that you haven’t donated any genes to the gene pool.

chemman on August 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I fully expect to see this moron up next with people who claim their Docs cut off their legs for cash.

BillaryMcBush on August 19, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Well, his dad would cut Obama’s nuts off for free….

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 5:24 PM

can anyone say “public school” prodigy….

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I’d like to see how many of our congresscriminals went to private school. Might explain a lot.

TinMan13 on August 19, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Again, is this ignorance or just dishonest spin?

I think it’s a little of both…

The best thing I can say about Triple J is that at least I understand the words he’s saying (even if they are stupid beyond compare)… Jesse Jr. sounds like he’s got a mouth full of marbles, and I never have any idea what that guy’s talking about.

jana on August 19, 2009 at 5:48 PM

The man is as dumb as a post. He’s an imbecile. His mother dropped him on his head REPEATEDLY as a baby. He’s stupid.
He’s the dullest knife in the drawer. His IQ is single digit.

Jeff from WI on August 19, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Jeff from WI on August 19, 2009 at 6:03 PM

In response to a local opposition politician stating JJJ didn’t have the brain of an ice cube, JJJ retorted, “That’s not true, I do, I do have a brain of a ice cube!”

coldwarrior on August 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Wasn’t he supposed to be in jail for something? Like trying to buy a Senate seat or something?

GunRunner on August 19, 2009 at 6:39 PM

I hope JJJ, Obama, and as many Dems as possible keep pushing the Post Office analogy. This is one of the simplest examples that almost every citizen should get. At least a majority of older folks will see the ridiculousness of it.

Of course if high schools hadn’t dropped teaching “basic” economics years ago, more people would know that bureaucrats with no incentive to give good service will never be as efficient as someone with a profit motive in the private sector.

tomllewis on August 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM

The idiots are running the asylum!

MCGIRV on August 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Exit question: If you don’t even understand something as basic as what a monopoly is, should anyone be interested in your opinion on something as complex as the economics of the health care industry?

xblade on August 19, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Most of these morons have never worked in the real world and have no idea how capitalism works. If FedEx was getting $100 a package, someone would come along and do it for $90, and then someone else, or FedEx would react and do it for $80, and so on. Amazing how competition and the free market works. He truly believes it’s a zero-sum game – nobody else would react to FedEx getting $100 per package.

PatMac on August 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM

the fruit don’t fall far from the turnip in the Jackson family.

workingforpigs on August 20, 2009 at 12:12 AM

We have post office box since the Post Office won’t deliver to my address (too high in elevation and on a private road). I picked up the mail yesterday and there was a key in the box for a package. When I got the package, I noticed that they had written the PO box number on the package and the date it was received at the local post office.

The written date on the package was 8/11, over a week ago. That means it sat at the post office for over a week before they even decided to notify me. I guess I just didn’t realize how deeply complex the process is…

I’m really looking forward to the new Post Office approach to medical care and insurance. If nothing else, my tax dollars are paying for some excellent comedic relief. I’ll need for the sad times coming…

karl9000 on August 20, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I agree 100% of everything he said

liberal4eva on August 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

That’s because you are a left wing idiot…

Sorry I ment to say “a left wing brain dead idiot!”

Confederate on August 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Obviously this idiot doesn’t have the same postal service that we do… He must have one that nevery looses mail, never destroys my mail and one that doesn’t cost me an arm and a let to send something…. Sheezzz I want his postal service cause mine sucks…. Imgaine Health Care, Sorry sir you’ll have to wait for that organ transplant, as your organ was lost in the mail……

docjwt on August 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

WWWHHHAAAAAATTTTTT!!!!!

rjoco1 on August 20, 2009 at 2:05 PM

I’m simply amazed at the fundamental misunderstanding by a sitting United States Congressman as to how the US Postal Service operates and what the free market is.

Conservative in NOVA on August 20, 2009 at 3:16 PM

How did we end up such brainless legislators? What to do?

Skipper50 on August 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM

He has a gift, Harry!

Herb on August 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Mugabbe is smiling!

jukin on August 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM

The percentage rise in first class mail over the last 18 years has been more than health care. Never hear about the SKY_ROCKETING mail rate.

jukin on August 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM

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