Is there really a boycott of Glenn Beck? Update: Law of unintended consequences?

posted at 8:46 am on August 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

We’ve heard about the boycott of the Glenn Beck Show on Fox News Channel, one where as many as 20 advertisers have dropped their spots, thanks to pressure from left-wing groups angry at … well, their latest anger du jour. The boycott made big news when reports that major retailers Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and CVS had joined the effort. The Left celebrated, but did these three actually pull ads from Beck? I decided to check, and found that only one of the three agreed to stop advertising on Beck.

First, I contacted Best Buy, whose corporate headquarters are in the Twin Cities. The website Defend Glenn Beck posted an e-mail from their spokesperson saying that they had never advertised on Beck in the first place. I also received an e-mail from the same spokesperson confirming this:

Hi Ed~

The facts are that Best Buy has not advertised during or adjacent to the Glenn Beck show, and has no plans to do so. We do advertise on FOX, but during the morning hours of 6-9 a.m. I hope this helps your understanding.

Thanks a ton, Lisa

Lisa Svac Hawks
Director, Public Relations
Best Buy
7601 Penn Ave. S.
Richfield, MN 55423

Next, I contacted CVS, and found that they had never requested time on Beck in the first place. They did, however, ask to have their Fox spots appear elsewhere, although they apparently haven’t reduced them:

Dear Ed:

Thanks for your note.

While advertising on Fox is part of our communication plan, we had not requested time on Glenn Beck’s show specifically. We have instructed our advertising agency to inform Fox to ensure Glenn Beck’s program is not part of our advertising plan.

Our position is simple. We support vigorous debate, especially around policy issues that affect millions of Americans, but we expect it to be informed, inclusive and respectful, in keeping with our company’s core values and commitment to diversity.

Carolyn

Finally, I contacted Wal-Mart, and discovered that they alone of this Big 3 pulled ad spots from Beck:

Edward,

Walmart has confirmed the retailer pulled ads from the Glenn Beck show on August 3rd

Thanks,

Ashley

Ashley Hardie Wal-Mart Spokeswoman
Media Relations Hotline: 1.800.331.0085

In other words, the claim here was about half true. It was completely false regarding Best Buy, and CVS didn’t request ads for Beck before requesting to avoid him. Only Wal-Mart actually pulled ads from the show, and even at that may still be redirecting its ad money to other shows. Allahpundit predicted that would be the case when he wrote about this a few days ago, and Mediaite appears to have confirmed it:

It was big news yesterday – given major play on HuffPost and discussed on MSNBC – and while it signals some success for the ColorofChange.org campaign, the fact that Beck’s network, Fox News, isn’t hurt at all continues to be ignored.

As a Fox News spokesperson told Mediaite yesterday, “The advertisers referenced have all moved their spots from Beck to other programs on the network so there has been no revenue lost.”

That is a point that has been reiterated since advertisers first started exiting the individual show, and it proves the advertisers are more concerned with appeasing a section of their base than actually taking a stand.

Fox News continues to pick up the check from each of these companies, and continues to benefit from Beck and whatever he says on his program. Meanwhile, until Beck’s commercial blocks are filled with ads for the Wall St. Journal, Fox Business Network and Fox Searchlight Pictures, which they aren’t, his show isn’t ultimately hurt either.

Most boycotts flop.  This one has a rather large quotient of cowflop to it as well.

Addendum: I have to say I’m puzzled by Wal-Mart’s acquiescence in this boycott.  It’s not Beck fans who picket their stores, demanding unionization and demonizing them for their employee compensation policies.  They’re appeasing the same people who want to drive them out of business.

Update: Another reader got a better explanation from Wal-Mart:

I am sorry to hear your concern. We continuously review our media plans. In keeping with our internal  guidelines to avoid content that is highly  polarizing, we’ve instructed our agencies, as of August 3rd, not to run Walmart advertising in news commentary shows on national cable networks. This would include the Glenn Beck Show.

Thank you so much for your patience and understanding. Should you need to call us, we are more than happy to further assist you at 1-800-966-6546.

In other words, Wal-Mart’s decision was not so much to boycott Beck, but to remove its advertising from all commentary shows to avoid controversy.

Update: P&G seems to be falling off the list, too.  And it’s not just Wal-Mart pulling ads from all commentary shows, including some of the Left’s favorites over at MS-NBC:

DefendGlenn.com has also spoken to officials from Procter and Gamble, and Sargentos. P&G said they have NOT pulled ads because they never advertised on Glenn Beck to begin with. In addition P&G said they would be “restricting our advertising to daytime lineups” in an attempt to “avoid controversy”. While Sargentos, whose brand-destruction at the hands of angry consumers has been well-documented here, has now said they will also be yanking ads from MSNBC and CNN “talk personalities” as soon as it can be “arranged”.

Great work, Color of Change, you are killing the struggling shows like Hardball, Ed Show, Anderson Cooper 180, and Maddow, in addition to the once-strong brands such as Olbermann, which is now hemorraging viewers, by yanking their few high-paying advertisers away from them.

I don’t see this turning out well for the low-rated programs.  How much can unions afford to advertise on MS-NBC’s lineup, anyway?  The law of unintended consequences appears to apply here.

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Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Do you remember the Tiananmen Square massacre?

zmdavid on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM

So Republicans *don’t* like the free market and free trade? Why all the criticism of Obama being a Socialist – that sounds like exactly what you want.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

HotAir commiting journalism again, when no one else will.

Mark30339 on August 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I’ve said it for years now: The blogosphere, e.g. Ed, AoS, Patterico, Zombie, NRO, etc, is where the real journalism is today. The so-called ‘real’ journalists have descended into a pit of agenda driven drivel. Even Glenn is doing real journalism, look at how he has staff dig under all the rocks, and he exposes it.

bikermailman on August 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM

You are giving even RINOs a bad name. Not that they need any help in that department. You make Meghan McCain look like Ann Coulter, politically.

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Addendum: I have to say I’m puzzled by Wal-Mart’s acquiescence in this boycott. It’s not Beck fans who picket their stores, demanding unionization and demonizing them for their employee compensation policies. They’re appeasing the same people who want to drive them out of business.

I think I have something that shines a little light on why Walmart is boycotting Beck. Remember, Beck brought this to light on his show and dressed down Walmart for this very thing.

mizflame98 on August 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Just sent this in by e-mail to Wal Mart. I think we should organize a counter-boycott:

I just heard that you are pulling your spots from the Glenn Beck show. You do realize, of course, that the people who would tend to boycott your stores over your spots on Glenn Beck would probably never set foot in a Wal Mart even to save the world, and they are also the type of people who would support things like Card Check and Cap and Trade (and are also the type of people who opposed Wal Mart coming into New York City), which are the sort of things that will hurt your bottom line. I, however, do shop at Wal-Mart (I just did on Sunday, in fact), and while I do not always agree with Glenn Beck, I certainly agree with him more than the people who are allegedly boycotting your stores over Glenn Beck, so now you will have one less customer. I will go shop at Target instead. Thank you for alienating your friends to try to win back your enemies who will never be won over anyway.

Doodad Pro on August 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Listening to Pat Gray on Glenn Beck on the radio and what do you know! A Progressive Insurance ad came on!

ctmom on August 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM

And double LOLs for people shopping at Whole Foods because the CEO wrote an Op-Ed and happens to agree with you on health care reform.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Conviction and conscience are worth more than money. A few extra dollars is a small price to pay to help a private business defend against the filthy theives of the Marxist-Left.

But a braying jackass with the character of a pawn broker like you couldn’t comprehend anything beyond the baser greed and envy of a typical socialist.

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

zmdavid on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Yes. Have you ever heard of the Cultural Revolution? The Great Leap Forward?

It’s not realistic to expect the guy who follows Mao to completely open up the country immediately. They tried that in Russia after the Cold War and it was disastrous. China slowly opened up its economy and experienced unprecedented (for them) prosperity. That’s not to say there aren’t problems, but China is a much better place today than it was in the early 1970s thanks to Deng Xiaoping’s reforms.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

This whole anti-trade, anti-free market thread is crazy. I wonder if this is the future of the Republican party. People who hate Socialism but demonize Deng Xiaoping because of sweatshops. Incredible. Just incredible.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Only in your mind that “thread” exists because no one here has even suggested “anti-trade, anti-free market” anything.

You must have taken a wrong turn when you wanted to land on Democratic Underground or dailykos. People over there “respond” to threads in their own minds all the time and most of them share your penchant for “more intelligent” responses such as “LOL!”.

Markets are motivated by supply and demand. Demand exists, merchants think they have the supply to meet the demand. When they don’t, people see their demands met elsewhere, from other suppliers.

SOME people — many individual consumsers — have a range of issues that motive just what they’ll tolerate from a supplier. That’s the market at work.

You’re not answering questions, for starters, which indicates you’re not very knowledgeable about what “markets” actually are.

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

But a braying jackass with the character of a pawn broker like you couldn’t comprehend anything beyond the baser greed and envy of a typical socialist.

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

And heeeeeeere come the ad hominems!

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Don’t forget, the crazies at Wal-Mart are also supporting Obama’s health care takeover. They’re backing the wrong horse big time.

jonezee on August 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM

I made my point. Nice of you to avoid it, coward.

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Global ethics office?! Sounds as if Walmart has gone lib. Local stores aren’t the only part of the system that is poorly run. Some of the regional warehouses are run like fiefdoms with little guidance from Ark.

Kissmygrits on August 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM

You didn’t make any point. You just called me a bunch of names. Attacking the person but not the argument = logic fail.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I think I have something that shines a little light on why Walmart is boycotting Beck. Remember, Beck brought this to light on his show and dressed down Walmart for this very thing.

mizflame98 on August 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Having worked at Wally World last year to pay for my Alaska trip, I know what (local at least) management thinks about unionization. I may have to print that letter out and show it to them.

bikermailman on August 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

“Better than Mao” is hardly a ringing endorsement.

zmdavid on August 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Satan comes to us in many forms.

TXUS on August 19, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Indeed, and to most – he’s in the eys of the beholder.

Some see him on Fox News at 5PM, and that’s their right.

AprilOrit on August 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

But they don’t think satan’s “real” so, well, another ding in their credibility.

I think what’s most at work is a devilish effort to support a more devilish politic.

So, there should be no surprise when others just put them behind them and support the 5 PM show on Fox.

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM

You didn’t make any point. You just called me a bunch of names. Attacking the person but not the argument = logic fail.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM

The money spent supports private business vs. those of your ilk who would steal from the productive and give to the dependent. Deal with it.

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM

“Better than Mao” is hardly a ringing endorsement.

zmdavid on August 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Oh I know, they should have got their own Ronald Reagan in there instead. That would have worked out great. Hey they tried that kind of “shock therapy” in Russia after the Cold War ended – how did that work out? Did it work out well? You’re going to be so excited when you find out!

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Or is attacking Glenn Beck just an orchestrated distraction by the Left? What the MSM isn’t covering.

Listen to the Money Talk. (WH) is helping out his old buddy George Soros with Petrobras; a Brazilian Oil Company:

Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling

http://logisticsmonster.com/2009/08/19/the-dollar-is-losing-its-luster-and-obama-is-still-busy-making-deals/

Dr Evil on August 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM

And heeeeeeere come the ad hominems!

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM

{{ tiny violins playing }}

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM

BTW, we missed you in thread about Obama and Soros drilling offshore oil in Brazil. How many “LOLz” have you saved for environmentalist who voted for Obama, thinking he would put a stop to all those nasty Gaia-wounding oil wells?

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM

You know, I must add some nuance to my statement on the Rice Krispy Treats at Starbucks.

They are delicious when they are FRESH.

A_Pirates_Tooth on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

damnit. blew it.
okay im a pirates tooth. f it to hell!

blatantblue on August 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Lol, that was funny….

Ozprey on August 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

{{ tiny violins playing }}

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Oh, no, it’s just kind of predictable. First people try to argue, then they realize they have a losing argument, so they start calling me names. I usually just read it as, “You know what? You’re right, but I don’t want to admit it, so I’m going to start calling names instead.”

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

The law of unintended consequences appears to apply here.

Ooopsie.

Daggett on August 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

The money spent supports private business vs. those of your ilk who would steal from the productive and give to the dependent. Deal with it.

TMK on August 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM

You gave it your best, you tried to hijack the thread but, alas, it didn’t work, your best wasn’t good enough, most consumers not among the Leftwing are not going to tolerate WalMart’s commisseration with the Obama Government Option and rather petulent, nasty and duplicitous snit at Glenn Beck.

Meanwhile, we’ll mostly all be watching Glenn Beck and enjoying his ongoing broadcasts. My only complaint with Beck is that he’s dismissed the concerns about Obama’s birth circumstances in relationship with our Constitution. Otherwise, I thoroughly enjoy Beck’s broadcasts and expect to continue to.

Placing WalMart on the heap with Ralph’s, Geico, Progressive, the Black Panthers, ACORN, MoveOn, HuffPo, Rahm Emanuel, Axelrod, Axelrod’s media involvements, Warren Buffet…

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

You’ve been ridiculing others here and just about anything, anyone else, so how is someone referring to you with a random slur any different? You’re here to agitate, that’s clear. You also have little to no understanding of what others are expressing, so, again, what do you expect in any form of “response”? I mean, you’re not responding to anyone, you’re just harassing every generality you can manufacture.

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Placing WalMart on the heap with Ralph’s, Geico, Progressive, the Black Panthers, ACORN, MoveOn, HuffPo, Rahm Emanuel, Axelrod, Axelrod’s media involvements, Warren Buffet…

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM

What? You’re equating Wal-Mart with the Black Panthers? So…you’re boycotting the Black Panthers? How? Are you saying Warren Buffett is as bad as the Black Panthers? What is your basis for that?

Do the Black Panthers have a store? I didn’t even know!

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Another formatting error ^^, so I’ll correct:

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

You’ve been ridiculing others here and just about anything, anyone else, so how is someone referring to you with a random slur any different? You’re here to agitate, that’s clear. You also have little to no understanding of what others are expressing, so, again, what do you expect in any form of “response”? I mean, you’re not responding to anyone, you’re just harassing every generality you can manufacture.

M

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

but to remove its advertising from all commentary shows to avoid controversy.

From a business standpoint, this is probably a wise move.
Nothing wrong with it from my perspective either.

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM

so this is an “epic fail” on their part, right?

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 10:50 AM

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Wrong. Not advertising with Glenn Beck means that Wal-Mart is Socialist.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I’m lovin’ this one! LMAO

joedoe on August 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM

How much can unions afford to advertise on MS-NBC’s lineup, anyway?

Judging from past expenditures, it appears that they can afford plenty. This is for the S.E.I.U. alone in 2008 – Scroll down to Obama.

Buy Danish on August 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM

This is absolutely hilarious.

There can’t be a more coincidental completely unintended effects of anything. Given that fox news is extremely more popular and makes a lot more money, the only ones who hurt from this are CNN and MSNBC.

SnKArcbound on August 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Walmart is run by committee………..need further explanations ?

Cinday Blackburn on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Addendum: I have to say I’m puzzled by Wal-Mart’s acquiescence in this boycott. It’s not Beck fans who picket their stores, demanding unionization and demonizing them for their employee compensation policies. They’re appeasing the same people who want to drive them out of business.

Right now, Wal-Mart needs to buddy up to the Left as they throw support behind Obamacare… which will effectively force their competitors to either be hit with additional health care costs (Target) or be drummed out of business altogether (small businesses).

This is not the Wal-Mart I once knew.

mankai on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Great work, Color of Change, you are killing the struggling shows like Hardball, Ed Show, Anderson Cooper 180, and Maddow, in addition to the once-strong brands such as Olbermann, which is now hemorraging viewers, by yanking their few high-paying advertisers away from them.

Ahahahhahahahahaha! Stupid liberals.

CP on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

So Republicans *don’t* like the free market and free trade? Why all the criticism of Obama being a Socialist – that sounds like exactly what you want.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Obviously you have no idea what a free market is.
Not surprising for a liberal.

Advertisers pulling their ads from controversial shows, is 100% within the bounds of a free market.
Consumers withdrawing their support from advertisers who boycott their favorite shows is also 100% within the bounds of a free market.

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Geico says:

“If the inflammatory nature of the comments on a program overshadows our message and causes GEICO to be drawn into a national debate, we are likely to reconsider where we place our marketing messages, which is what we did.

GEICO delivers very important messages through its major marketing campaigns:
we’re saving customers’ dollars … we’re easy to do business with … we’re looking out for our policyholders. That’s what we hope the public hears and sees and focuses on.

As a company, we do not take positions on controversial issues.

As an advertiser, while a national debate on issues can be healthy and appropriate, we don’t see ourselves in the role of taking part in those debates.

Our business is auto insurance. We want to bring people value and we attempt to reach large audiences with that message.

It is of little benefit to us if a controversy on the program gets so much attention that our message is drowned out.

GEICO Corporate Communications”

Of course, by removing the ads, Geico is taking a stand! The WRONG stand.

Oxybeles on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

What? You’re equating Wal-Mart with the Black Panthers? So…you’re boycotting the Black Panthers? How? Are you saying Warren Buffett is as bad as the Black Panthers? What is your basis for that?

Do the Black Panthers have a store? I didn’t even know!

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I think you may be vision impaired or certainly, intellectually impaired because you’re stringing non-related terms together and then attempting (irrationally) to discount those non-related terms (you allege someone means something that you’ve strung together irrationally, not based upon what someone else actually ever meant or wrote, just what you effort to push forth as ‘reality’ while it is quite not so, but your irrationality).

I place abhorrent politics and those who engage in them in one heap.

Does that make sense to you now? Read it very slowly or enlarge your browser type display to, say, font size 48, maybe that’ll help.

I think I pegged you accurately a while back in the comments. You are simply irritated and embittered emotionally so you lapse onto weird “market” related issues to try to attract attention, while the only attention you find meaningful is negative attention.

Anyway, try enlarging your screen font display and reading things more carefully. “LOL!” looks pretty interesting in huge type, by the way, should entertain you a while longer.

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM

So Republicans *don’t* like the free market and free trade? Why all the criticism of Obama being a Socialist – that sounds like exactly what you want.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

You mean in regards to the boycott? I think people have every right to boycott a business. It’s called voting with your wallet.

But news organizations don’t have a right to make stuff up and publish it as fact.

hawksruleva on August 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Of course, by removing the ads, Geico is taking a stand! The WRONG stand.

Oxybeles on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Right you are.

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM

I officially moved Walmart to my “only as a last resort” list last week, when — for about the 20th time — I went to use the men’s room and the meager trickle of water they allow from their sinks was insufficient to wash my hands. That was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, though. The checkout lines have become unbearably long, the merchandise seems to be all from China, the shelves are a disorganized jumble, no one knows where anything is, and with only a few notable exceptions (clothes, mostly) THE PRICES AREN’T THAT GREAT any more. Axing Beck is another log on the already briskly-burning fire.

With that said, the person who asked if it is hypocritical of Walmart to sell a book with ideas it disagrees with should consider that a person can disagree with conservatives — or be unwilling to take the possible backlash for publicly agreeing — and still believe in a free press (or “still want to sell books” — the free market and free press look a lot alike in this case). We get huffy when Borders or Barnes & Noble buries conservative titles in the back of the store on a bottom shelf; we should applaud Walmart for not doing that.

But I’m still pretty much done with them.

RegularJoe on August 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Yes. Have you ever heard of the Cultural Revolution? The Great Leap Forward?

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Heard of them, and recognize them for the economic and human rights disasters that they were.

As for the disaster of the former Soviet Union. What did you expect would happen when the state sold all of it’s assets to the same people who once ran the state?

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Of course, by removing the ads, Geico is taking a stand! The WRONG stand.

Oxybeles on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

It’s their right to advertise where they want. Of course, it’s also our right to buy State Farm auto insurance.

hawksruleva on August 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM

So Republicans *don’t* like the free market and free trade? Why all the criticism of Obama being a Socialist – that sounds like exactly what you want.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I haven’t expressed what I want. Good insight there. I haven’t criticised Obama as a socialist in this thread. One again, good job divining novel information. And again, good job distilling conservatism down to one bullet point.

So that is 3 for 3. Thanks for satisfying my assumptions!

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Right now, Wal-Mart needs to buddy up to the Left as they throw support behind Obamacare… which will effectively force their competitors to either be hit with additional health care costs (Target) or be drummed out of business altogether (small businesses).

This is not the Wal-Mart I once knew.

mankai on August 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Their strategy is to be the last victim. Let their competitors drown in increased cost first, and make some money before you are also pulled under.

hawksruleva on August 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Twentieth Century Motor Co in Atlas Shruggs- that’s where Galt started it all and for the same reason.

Monica on August 19, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Make that Atlas Shrugged. I’d just been to Pamela Gellar’s blog when I wrote Atlas Shruggs.

Monica on August 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM

As for GEICO, I’m of two minds. I’m a GEICO customer, have been for nearly 20 years, and have been very satisfied; but am miffed that they’d give conservative views the back of their hand. ON THE OTHER HAND — at least I won’t have to watch any more of those inane gecko commercials (or worse yet, the caveman commercials).

If I can come up with the time to do it, I’ll go insurance shopping, and leave GEICO in the rearview mirror. But no promises.

RegularJoe on August 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Oh, no, it’s just kind of predictable. First people try to argue, then they realize they have a losing argument, so they start calling me names.
Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

You are the only person who believes the trash you present actually represents an argument. More telling, when people point out to you why your so called facts, aren’t, you start insulting those who don’t buy into your invented facts.

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM

So Republicans *don’t* like the free market and free trade? Why all the criticism of Obama being a Socialist – that sounds like exactly what you want.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

More of those imaginary threads you think you’re reading but aren’t actually written…

No one here among “Republicans” has ever written or indicated otherwise that they “don’t like the free market and free trade”.

You just made that entirely up as you’ve done with many of the rest of your accusations here.

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Wrong. Not advertising with Glenn Beck means that Wal-Mart is Socialist.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:50 AM

And you wonder why people don’t bother trying to reason with.

How many other strawmen are you growing in the backyard?

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I just love the “Law of Unintended Consequences”.

But I still do not understand how a white guy calling a black guy a racist, is racist.

Wouldn’t it be racist if Beck used slurs toward Obama? He never has, to my knowledge.

Kanye West didn’t get so much as a slap on the wrist for his comment about Bush during the Katrina aftermath (although Mike Myer’s expression was classic).

tru2tx on August 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Please add NASCAR and it’s sponsors to the do not buy list of supporters of companies that have caved into the radical left wing attack machine buy pulling ads from the Glen Beck Show. Many of these companies sponsor cars and advertise in a big way with NASCAR.. As much as I hate to bring NASCAR into this drama, they (NASCAR) is being supported by many of our boycotted companies and products. An example is Radio Shack. I noticed Radio Shack had dozens of TV spots this past weekend. As a race fan I know there are associated advertising projects at the tracks. GIECO, Progressive Insurance, Best Buy, Proctor & Gamble, Travelocity and GMAC ARE ALL MAJOR ADVERTISERS AND HAVE HOOD SPACE ON SOME OF THE CARS. Tony Stewart’s team sponsor is Old Spice a P&G product. It’s unfortunate that NASCAR draws a very conservative crowd yet it is sponsored by these radical left leaning companies.

Joe the Signman on August 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM

“It was completely false regarding Best Buy, and CVS didn’t request ads for Beck before requesting to avoid him.”

Nope, I got an IDENTICAL answer from Best Buy, and from Progressive. Now the same spin from CVS?? Come on, Ed, you know the media buying biz. Media/ad buys are very carefully planned and executed, you do *not* “accidentally” buy air time on programs you didn’t choose during your media campaign planning. Could it happen with one firm? Possibly. Two firms making the same accident on the same ad buy? Highly unlikely. THREE firms “accidentally” buying air time on the wrong show? Impossible! So you’re being lied to, Ed, they are spinning a story. The real question is, why would they bother? What’s the motivation to move their ad schedule based on 145,000 spam emails from a leftist activist group with…direct ties to the White House??

EasyEight on August 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Joe the Signman on August 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM

And Junior still drives for Hendricks and still sucks. It had very little to do with your post, it just gave me an opportunity to bash Junior. The latter insult is straightforward, real NASCAR fans should understand the former.

LevStrauss on August 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Wow, I just wanted to see what some of the kooks were saying. Folks in the Huffington Post’s comment section are wishing him dead!

“If you feel enough is enough, and you want Glenn Beck to go away (even if that means de.ath)”

“He’s fu**ing extremely dangerous, and I’ve taken a hiatus from this type of practice for many years, but this dude is a major problem for this country, and in many ways the entire planet. He needs to go.”

Comments like this from a blog that has a reporter in the White House, this is really frightening. I think this has gone WAY too far.

TampaBayBull on August 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Comments like this from a blog that has a reporter in the White House, this is really frightening. I think this has gone WAY too far.

TampaBayBull on August 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

What? This time? This is par for the course for them. Also was this just from a commenter or the bloggers themself? I am actually surprised they allowed comments on the Novak thread, there were times when someone died that they just cut the comments altogether.

LevStrauss on August 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM

“That’s the bundle of money you could have made by advertising on Glenn Beck.”

kirkill on August 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Please add NASCAR and it’s sponsors to the do not buy list (etc.)

Joe the Signman on August 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM

First, let me tell you I’m not a NASCAR fan. Don’t know any driver’s number, don’t watch races, just don’t care for it.

That said, boycotting them would be crazy unfair. They don’t control where their sponsors spend their other advertising dollars. Remember, the only way watching NASCAR helps the sponsors is if you buy the sponsors’ products. So if you like NASCAR but want to boycott some of their sponsors, watch it in good health, knowing that not only are you boycotting them, but you’re also sticking them with the bill for your entertainment!

RegularJoe on August 19, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Yeah, my mom told me she called Walmart and they told her they are not running ads for ANY news stations. I wonder how we can check this. Do they realize they are alienating a huge portion of their customer base? Also, to suggest they aren’t getting involved in politics after acquiescing to liberals is a ridiculous excuse.

Mommypundit on August 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

I would LOVE to see the snotty supercilious Maddow do to MSNBC what she (he) did for Air America. Wait, Air America is no longer in business? Damn. Oh, well.

bradley11 on August 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

LevStrauss on August 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I understand your point. They were just from a commenter, but still very dangerous.

I really don’t understand the hatred that liberals operate with. Even at my most angry, I have never hoped, wished, or thought that anybody should die or be murdered.

TampaBayBull on August 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM

So left wing hate-groups are waving the bloody flag yelling “we’re totally smashing Glenn Beck” hoping the sizable number of illiterates on their side won’t find out the militants they’re also smashing Chris Matthews.

Carry on.

jeff_from_mpls on August 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM

So Republicans *don’t* like the free market and free trade? Why all the criticism of Obama being a Socialist – that sounds like exactly what you want.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Ahh… I see liberal confusion. Being for the free market does not suggest that you’re for anything that is produced by the free market. You’re still free to dislike anything that is popular. It is not a credo that says, as long as it was produced by the free market, it’s okay.

It’s what you do with that dislike that defines a free-market conservative from a statist. Statists demand a law to stop somebody from doing what they don’t like (I’m statist on some issues, btw.) But free-market conservatives decide to address the issue with their own freedom of selection.

Certain clubs are discarded, not all need be.

Axeman on August 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

CVS didn’t request ads for Beck before requesting to avoid him

We should still boycott CVS.

bill30097 on August 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM

One would think that if Walmart was pulling out from all pundit shows on every channel there wouldhave been a press release or some such? Of course I suppose there is a possibility they have and the media has just avoided it like they have been other things.

By the way, I like how ProudRino is back spouting his BS. Every opposed view he sees as an attack. For goodness sake, I called him what his name was: “You truly are a proud Rino.” Then he threw a tantrum and said “you can’t argue with me, you’re just using ad hominems.” Whatever it is, it is and idiot.

roopster217 on August 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Using boycotts to stifle free speech is wrong. Simple as that.

Time to RED DAWN this MF’er – start packing heat!

igglesphan on August 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Please add NASCAR and it’s sponsors to the do not buy list of supporters of companies that have caved into the radical left wing attack machine buy pulling ads from the Glen Beck Show. Many of these companies sponsor cars and advertise in a big way with NASCAR.. As much as I hate to bring NASCAR into this drama, they (NASCAR) is being supported by many of our boycotted companies and products. An example is Radio Shack. I noticed Radio Shack had dozens of TV spots this past weekend. As a race fan I know there are associated advertising projects at the tracks. GIECO, Progressive Insurance, Best Buy, Proctor & Gamble, Travelocity and GMAC ARE ALL MAJOR ADVERTISERS AND HAVE HOOD SPACE ON SOME OF THE CARS. Tony Stewart’s team sponsor is Old Spice a P&G product. It’s unfortunate that NASCAR draws a very conservative crowd yet it is sponsored by these radical left leaning companies.

Joe the Signman on August 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM

If it was up to me they’d go back to calling it the WINSTON CUP, and I’d put Joe Camel on one of the cars.

Jeff from WI on August 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

THIS DRIVEL FROM CVS IS AN UNACCEPTABLE ATTACK ON GLENN BECK, AND IS THEREFORE THE WORST OF ALL THE CORPORATE RESPONSES:

We support vigorous debate, especially around policy issues that affect millions of Americans, but we expect it to be informed, inclusive and respectful, in keeping with our company’s core values and commitment to diversity.

In condemning Glenn Beck, CVS has thrust itself into the center of this controversy. It has been well-documented during and since the Bush administration that commentary appearing on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Comedy Central, BET, MTV, and even NICK has been anything but informed, inclusive and respectful. And I am not just talking about shows with vicious characters like Behar, Goldberg, and Jon Stewart. I am also talking about Letterman, Couric and the 60 minutes crowd.

People, CVS MUST BE BOYCOTTED AT ALL COSTS.

jay12 on August 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM

This is not fair.

GW_SS-Delta on August 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Is there any way to verify what shows, etc, a company is actually advertising with? I would like to believe the things they are saying to people who contact the boycotters, but I’m just not sure.

Also with Beck’s ratings, I do agree that any boycott will be temporary at best. No matter how much lefties try to demonize Beck and his audience, its massive compared to any of the other cable networks, especially for his time slot.

Dark Eden on August 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM

More of those imaginary threads you think you’re reading but aren’t actually written…

No one here among “Republicans” has ever written or indicated otherwise that they “don’t like the free market and free trade”.

It’s the Alinskyite “hypocrite” method. Equate two things that are not inseparable and then claim hypocrisy. As I said in my post above, there is a huge difference between what we *do* as free-market-ists and statists.

It’s what we do as a reaction to what we don’t think is “good”. He’s still thinking statist if he thinks that the only reason to be for the free market is if every output was “good”–or that all outputs from a system have to be good by some one definition of good.

The definition of good used by the market is flexible, the definition of good used by the government, embedded in law, is the very essence of inflexible, and will eventually wander through interpretation.

I am an absolute statist on the free marketing of child pornography. People could get money for it, and other people would pay them for it. But we agree with the free marketing of non-deletorious goods.

Axeman on August 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Update: Lol

Asher on August 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM

I used to buy advertising time for my company. You buy time spread over a particular time zone and channels. It is amazing to me that anyone would connect a cheese commercial to represent the advertiser as supporting whatever was just aired. Back in the thirties and forties, companies would sponsor an entire show, but that is not how cable advertising works.

Incredible that anyone is taking this so far.

Hening on August 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Here’s the lame response e-mail I got from WALLY WORLD:

Thank you for contacting the Global Ethics Office regarding a recent episode of the Glenn Beck Show and Wal-Mart’s advertising relationship with the show specifically and Fox News in general. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. continuously reviews media plans. In keeping with our internal guidelines to avoid content that is highly polarizing, we’ve instructed our agencies, as of August 3rd, not to run Walmart advertising in news commentary shows on national cable networks. This would include the Glenn Beck Show.

Regards,

Chris

Global Ethics Office

Ris4victory on August 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Again, the left provides cover for corporations to run & hide from the economy.
An economy largly in the dumps because of socialist behavior. By letting the economy slide – big business is shedding jobs in record numbers. No investment is taking place for the future. Under Obama’s Marxist thumb capitalism has a very bleak future. The recovery is under way in Japan & Europe because they did not fall for Obama’s idea of a “global stimulus”.
The first step to recovery is replacing our now socialist dictators with business encouraging capitalists who are not afraid of “profit”.

izoneguy on August 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Lourdes on August 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Repeat after me, guys. “Proud Rhino” is a paleolibertarian/conservative and an acolyte of Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Definitely not any kind of liberal or progressive or whatever they call themselves these days.

The admiration for the worker’s paradise, er, capitalist’s paradise of the PRC puts it/him squarely in Ludwig von Mises Institute’s sphere.

funky chicken on August 19, 2009 at 11:47 AM

What? This time? This is par for the course for them. Also was this just from a commenter or the bloggers themself? I am actually surprised they allowed comments on the Novak thread, there were times when someone died that they just cut the comments altogether.

LevStrauss on August 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM

On the other hand, the MSM goes batty every time a commenter on a right-wing blog says something the MSM finds distastefull.

Declaring that unless the comment is deleted immediately, that this proves the owners of the site actually approve of the comment.

Sauce, goose, gander.

MarkTheGreat on August 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Using boycotts to stifle free speech is wrong. Simple as that.

Time to RED DAWN this MF’er – start packing heat!

igglesphan on August 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Agreed. It’s misusing the free market system in order to obtain censorship by proxy, by the simple expedient of making enough noise that companies refuse to do business with one’s target.

I don’t particularly like GB, nor do I watch his show, but I could easily see the looney libs this extending to more Orwellian extremes.

Dark-Star on August 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Sounds like a canned response, Walmart must be getting massive email submissions. Reply from a different dept below;

Dear Joe,

My name is Hermie. I am with the Walmart.com Customer Service Team.
Thank you for allowing me to assist you today.

Thank you for your inquiry Joe. We continuously review our media plans.
In keeping with our internal guidelines to avoid content that is highly polarizing, we’ve instructed our agencies, as of August 3rd, not to run Walmart advertising in news commentary shows on national cable networks.
This would include the Glenn Beck Show.

Joe, I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced.

Thank you for visiting Walmart.com. We appreciate the opportunity to serve you and look forward to your next visit.

If we may be of further assistance, please email us at help@walmart.com.
We’re here to serve you 7 days a week!!

Sincerely,

Hermie
Customer Service at Walmart.com

Joe the Signman on August 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Axeman on August 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

honestly, it’s not a liberal. it’s a nut, but it’s a hard core righty nut

funky chicken on August 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Sooo, the socialists… they are proud to have cooperations backing them?? This is the Twilight zone.

Osis on August 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Google Lew Rockwell and Deng, or Ludwig von Mises and Deng, and you will see that “proud rhino” is spouting their crapola, straight up and unadulterated.

These nuts are from the right side, but that doesn’t make them any less nuts or any less disgusting.

funky chicken on August 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

what the heck is a CVS? ;-)

kirkill on August 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I broke the news about Proctor and Gamble 6 DAYS AGO. Thanks for the hat tip (not).

ginnypub on August 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

what the heck is a CVS? ;-)

kirkill on August 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

There is one on every corner in my neighborhood, too bad they lost business to Rite-Aid

igglesphan on August 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I’ve always thought that these ideological boycotts are one of the reasons this country is in dire financial condition. Ever since 2000, BOTH sides have been orchestrating these punitive boycotts against what they perceive to be their ideological foes. Eventually I hope this country wakes up and realizes these are self inflicted wounds.

OxyCon on August 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

honestly, it’s not a liberal. it’s a nut, but it’s a hard core righty nut

funky chicken on August 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Sounds like a liberal-tarian, then. Purist claptrap that uses the same “hypocrite” theme as the Alinskyites.

I disagree that Liberal-tarians are “rightist”, some of them believe less in social order than most libs.

Axeman on August 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Sorry Ed.. I’m not buying the “general timeslot” excuse they’re giving out…

Like EasyEight said, companies’ marketing departments have a very definite listing of what they do/don’t advertise with, right down to a given ad segment (time slot) on any given show, to get the maximum ROI.

They don’t just pick a “3 hour block” and then ask the network to put them on anywhere (some might, but I can’t see the “big boys” of the advertising dollars doing that).

just like with newspapers (this i learned back in when I was a youngster in high school selling ads for yearbooks).. the advertising VP I spoke with informed me that they do get very specific in their advertising contracts.

DaSaintFan on August 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM

…Come on, Ed, you know the media buying biz. Media/ad buys are very carefully planned and executed, you do *not* “accidentally” buy air time on programs you didn’t choose during your media campaign planning…
EasyEight on August 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Not necessarily. Media planners can buy rotators:

Whether you’re buying time on cable systems or individual stations, you can save money by purchasing “broad rotators,” which means your spots may run anytime during entire dayparts, not just within specific, higher-rated shows.

Buy Danish on August 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Perception is sometimes reality, and despite the lack of harm to Fox (I couldn’t care less about Fox and Murdoch, that scumbag), to Beck (I don’t watch his show; he seems sort of crazy), and my instinct to hold companies harmless for their good-faith business decisions … I can’t escape the perception that a number of these companies have responded to a nutbag leftist organization by pandering to them.

Given that rational people outnumber these effing leftists by at least 10 to 1, pandering to the leftists seems like a really stupid decision. And I have no problem seeing some of them with a nasty scar for having made such a stupid business decision.

Jaibones on August 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I don’t see this turning out well for the low-rated programs. How much can unions afford to advertise on MS-NBC’s lineup, anyway? The law of unintended consequences appears to apply here.

I offer this as a re-branding campaign for the Democrat Party:

Democratic National Committee
The Party of Unintended Consequences

BobMbx on August 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

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