Is Iraq slipping away?

posted at 6:40 pm on August 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It certainly appears to have gone wrong in a hurry.  Today, 95 people died in a series of bombings in Baghdad, blamed on al-Qaeda and other Sunni insurgent groups, which left more than 400 Iraqis injured.  Since the US pulled out of the cities at the end of June, violence has escalated, and even Nouri al-Maliki acknowledges that Iraqi forces have failed to maintain security:

Iraq’s prime minister has blamed Sunni insurgents for a wave of deadly bombings in Baghdad and says the Iraqi government must re-evaluate security to confront the challenge.

Nouri al-Maliki’s statement is the first government acknowledgment of security failings following an increase of attacks since the June 30 withdrawal of U.S. forces from cities.

Wednesday’s bombings killed at least 95 people and wounded more than 400. …

The attacks dealt a new blow to Iraqi government efforts to restore a sense of normalcy in the capital as the overall level of violence remains low compared with recent years. Iraqi security forces have promised to remove concrete blast walls from the main roads in Baghdad by mid-September with the aim of improving appearance and easing traffic congestion.

“The security forces have failed to protect the government buildings despite tight security measures and advanced equipment and this reflects huge shortcomings,” said Saeed Jabar, a 35-year-old government employee. “It is a message to Iraqi officials that they should stop their exaggerations about the stability of this country.”

This will not be a critique of the Obama administration’s handling of Iraq.  They have been a pleasant surprise to the extent that they haven’t changed directions in Iraq.  It’s not even going to be a critique of the Bush administration, which signed the agreement to pull US troops off the line in Baghdad and other cities.  They had little choice, as Maliki and the Iraqi government wanted them out even earlier than July 1 of this year.  Maliki, who won a series of battles with the Mahdi Army to gain control of Iraq, thought his forces were up to the task of full-time security maintenance.

Thus far, though, it looks as though they are inadequate to the task.  In their understandable haste to reclaim their sovereignty and national pride, Maliki and his government apparently forgot that the insurgencies had not ended, but merely switched sides to the Americans after seeing the alternative in AQI.  Those insurgencies remain hostile to Shi’ite governance, and the Kurds aren’t too thrilled about it, either.  It looks as though Maliki beat the Mahdis but didn’t get the Sunnis on board well enough to keep the cities secure.

To some extent, Obama has his hands tied by the SOFA signed before his election.  Clearly, the Iraqis need more assistance, but the Iraqis and Obama will have to agree to more American help in the short term.  Obama apparently is willing to offer it; Gen. Ray Odierno, the commander of US forces in Iraq, told the AP that he communicated that to the Maliki government, which is taking the offer of assistance in northern Iraq under advisement.  Hopefully, we can act quickly to tamp down the violence and ensure that we do not lose what we fought and bled to gain in Iraq.


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We cannot take any lessons from the rebuilding of Japan. Iraq is not peopled by one race, nor is its religion capable of change. As PoP says, we should have taken Iraq – period!

OldEnglish on August 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM

US troop casualties since Obama has been president: 95

US troop casualties under George Bush: 4236

Total US troop casualties: 4331

From the Department of Defense.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Am I that far out of date? I thought the military counted “casualties” as not just KIA but also WIA.

TooTall on August 19, 2009 at 7:38 PM

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Not too strong at critical analysis are you?
Do you think there is a difference between fighting a war, and the maintenance after the war?
No, you probably don’t, that would be an exercise a little to far above your pay grade.
That is like claiming Clement Attlee in Briton was a success, and Churchill a failure…so many more were killed under Churchill…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Is Iraq slipping away?

Whats the message this President has sent Iraq, Iran and the entire Muslim world?

Iraq only needs determination to eventually become a modern Democratic nation.

Anything else Obama owns.

Speakup on August 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Never underestimate the ability of 0bama and the liberals to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Am I that far out of date? I thought the military counted “casualties” as not just KIA but also WIA.

TooTall on August 19, 2009 at 7:38 PM

US troops wounded in action in Iraq under Obama: 226

US troops wounded in action in Iraq under Bush: 30,930

US troops wounded in action in Iraq (TOTAL): 31,156

From the DoD

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Thanks! From what my understanding of casualties was the figures seemed too low.

TooTall on August 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM

So you are saying that Attlee was a more capable leader then Churchill?
By your analysis, Buchanan was a much better president the Lincoln….And Andrew Johnson was better then Lincoln.
Why you are brilliant, simply brilliant….with your analysis, Lincoln was the worst of all the presidents, look a the number of people killed while he was in leadership.
You are F’in brilliant….no really, for a liberal you are about as smart as they get.

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Wow. Shrub was 100% completely, stupendously incredibly wrong.

Whoda thunk it.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Right, but what does victory even look like for this war? Who will conceede? This is a fundamental problem with the “war on terror” framework that is highlighted by this latest escalation in violence. Unlike postwar Japan or Germany for that matter there isn’t really an “Iraqi” citizenry that can be mobilized by the government to recreate “their” country. These “nations” are the constructs of European colonialism which is why people within them have a greater loyalty to linguistic ethnicities or to religious faith. As long as we function within a paradigm that only sees nation-states we can’t “win” this war. And unfortunately I have dinner plans, but this will be a good debate.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Which is why we should have sealed the borders against incursion in either direction (think “No Fly Zone on Steroids” applied to the air and ground, and along the whole border), then flooded the place with small arms and bullets to let them fight it out among themselves. Or we could do the humane thing – invade, and then try to set up a nation-state where there previously was none, and make sure it understands that it will not be permitted to threaten the US. There was an article on the latter option on TCS Daily several years ago, contrasting the occupation of Germany (which was already a nation-state) with the occupation of Japan (which, aside from the Emperor, gained most of the attributes of a nation-state during the MacArthur “Shogunate”). You might want to look it up if you’re interested in the topic.

Now I’ll acknowledge that both options (super-interdiction and invasion) are pretty lousy. But if you’ve got better ones that make it clear to everyone on the planet that we won’t tolerate aiding and abetting non-state/unlawful combatants the way Saddam was setting up to do, and prevent attacks on US soil (which is how I’ll define victory), I’m all ears.

Blacksmith on August 19, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Looks like Obama is losing both at home—and abroad….

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Suck on that liberals.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM

there’s been less disturbance than California saw in the 1991 riots in a country of similiar population.Chris_Balsz on August 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM
What crap.

Six or seven attacks in a couple weeks is not the overthrow of the entire country.

Chris_Balsz on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Whoda thunk it.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Whoooaaaa, wait a minute, I posted to soon, here is a poster that is almost as F’in brilliant as welcome_ghosts…what are the odds of two missing the same DNA…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Is Iraq slipping away?

Kind of an explosive headline, isn’t it?

The bad guys had a good day. It was bound to happen sooner, or later.

When the taliban announce their next spring offensive will you give them the same headline?

Iran is in turmoil, Syria didn’t get its Russian cargo, elections are taking place in Afghanistan, again. Obama is actually listening to his military advisers, to a lot of peoples surprise including mine.

If people want to take the chicken little role, okay.

This is a long term war, our oldest is in Germany preparing for deployment to Afghanistan so I follow the news even more closely. There will be setbacks all over, when the trend line starts to go negative maybe the headline will be appropriate, not now.

cozmo on August 19, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Doorgunner on August 19, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I bet I know you, but I’m kind of partial to my anonymity so I’ll leave it at that.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Roger, sir.

Doorgunner on August 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM

You guys do know each other. Good for you. And stay safe and thanks for your service.

cjs1943 on August 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM

What is this some kind of pretend Marine love in?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I can’t believe how fast Obama is losing what Bush had fought so hard to gain.
It is simply amazing, but then when you think that all Obama has done is campaign and not manage or lead, it just makes sense. A real “community organizer”…
Hey Obama, the world isn’t 8 square blocks of downtown Chicago…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Doorgunner on August 19, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I bet I know you, but I’m kind of partial to my anonymity so I’ll leave it at that.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Roger, sir.

Doorgunner on August 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM

You guys do know each other. Good for you. And stay safe and thanks for your service.

cjs1943 on August 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Are you going to start giving each other oral sex?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Are you going to start giving each other oral sex?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM

It’s called respect, something a liberal is foreign to…these guys, and the ones before them, place their lives on the line so you can be a douche…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:04 PM

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Whats your point? Oh.. you are one of those leftie idiots complaining about war casualties…

US Wars by number of dead with deaths per day.

1. American Civil War 1861–1865 625,000 599
2. World War II 1941–1945 405,399 416
3. World War I 1917–1918 116,516 279
4. Vietnam War 1964–1973 58,151 26
5. Korean War 1950–1953 36,516 45
6. Amer. Rev War 1775-1783 25,000 11
7. War of 1812 1812–1815 20,000 31
8. Mex–Amer War 1846–1848 13,283 29
9. Iraq War 2003–now 4,328 2
10.PhilippineWar 1899–1913 4,196 .8

It amazes me that you libards can throw a fit about adults dying to protect your right to be a moron, and yet can slaughter innocents with abandon.

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Are you going to start giving each other oral sex?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM

It’s called respect, something a liberal is foreign to…these guys, and the ones before them, place their lives on the line so you can be a douche…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Sorry I’m a liberal and I can’t stand Jarheads b*owing each other on the intwerwebs. They should keep it in the foxholes.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM

As I posted, these F’in brilliant liberals think that Lincoln was the worst president…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:07 PM

You mean nothing…I told you what I think of you, any further comment to you is a waste of time…you are so F’in brilliant, a F’in brilliant liberal troll…you won’t be around long.

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:07 PM

we’ll see you out on the PT field in the morning. 0430. Bring a 2quart canteen…..and a bandaid.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Wow. Shrub was 100% completely, stupendously incredibly wrong.

Whoda thunk it.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Last time I checked the news he wasn’t president anymore.

Oh don’t forget- July was the worst month of casualties in Afghanistan of the entire war.

I believe Barry fired the commander there not too long ago and changed the strategy.

Just a reminder!

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I don’t think Iraq has slipped away. I read a story about this today and according to that the Iraqis called for and got support from the American military as soon as they needed it.

I think everyone knew that there would be tests like this of the Iraqis. They have had mixed success at security thus far. But that does not mean it is slipping away. It just means it is not over yet.

The Iraqi government has a lot of enemies in the region and one of them sitting next door. The Iranians are not going to do anything to make things any easier.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Blueneck:

Bush was not wrong.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Tell you what blueneck, keep up slandering the military, just keep it up and see where it gets you. There’s lots of us on here and many of us have sacrificed for punks like you to say what you wanna say. Well, you have the freedom to do that, but you don’t have the freedom from the consequences of it.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM

t’s called respect, something a liberal is foreign to…these guys, and the ones before them, place their lives on the line so you can be a douche…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:04 PM

They didn’t put their lives on the line for me Bubba, I didn’t ask them to go to Iraq and kill innocent children. They are paid volunteers…It;’s a JOB. They couldn’t get a job at the 7-11 in TULSA and the baby momma was KNOCKED UP! they needed cash so go kill Iraqi women you ass

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Ed, AP–Would you be so kind to ban this person?

thank you.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM

They didn’t put their lives on the line for me Bubba, I didn’t ask them to go to Iraq and kill innocent children. They are paid volunteers…It;’s a JOB. They couldn’t get a job at the 7-11 in TULSA and the baby momma was KNOCKED UP! they needed cash so go kill Iraqi women you ass

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Nice meltdown. You should be banned before your daily rerun of “Momma’s Family” comes on.

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM

He won’t be around long…
Obama will have to listen to the generals, he has no choice, no experience, and if Iraq goes Obama knows the rest of his agenda is gone.
He has failed at everything domestically, if this fails, he will never recover. I would not be surprise if Iraq fell, Obama would resign…even he would have to admit, finally, that he just doesn’t have what it takes to lead a country. A community organizer, probably, a do-nothing senator, he has proven he can do that…but as CINC, he is failing miserably, worse then any other president in history…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Looks like this Obama thumbsucker is falling apart in direct relation with The Won’s polls….

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

The interesting thing to me as far as Democrats like Blueneck are concerned is their lack of knowledge. They are just so stupid.

After all, it was the Democrats who passed the Iraqi Liberation Act. It was the Democrats in the Senate who supported the invasion of Iraq. It was the Democrat holdover from the Clinton years Tenent in the CIA who swore Saddam had wmd. It was the policy of the US to remove Saddam from power long before Bush ever came to office.

It was the Democrats who wanted the invasion of Afghanistan to be handled by the UN and NATO…and they had no problems with troop levels there until they needed a reason to complain about Iraq.

It was the mainstream media who trumpeted stories of Saddam;s ties terrorists for years before Bush came to office. It was the same media who made a point of talking about ties between Saddam and AlQaida and Saddam’s terrible human rights records.

When saber rattling worked for the Democrats they rattled away…and then when undermining their own country in a war worked for them they did that to.

Well, they have the power right now to turn tail and run from both Iraq and Afghanistan…no need to blame Bush for their unwillingness or refusal to do so.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Ed, AP–Would you be so kind to ban this person?

thank you.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Seconded… oh and add Spathi to that list also, please Ed.

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Tell you what blueneck, keep up slandering the military, just keep it up and see where it gets you.

The US military what a proud organization! Remember Lynnie from Abu Ghrab? The bucktooth hillbilly private with a penchant for leashes and d*cks? That is the face of the new US military folks…get used to it

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

A community organizer, probably, a do-nothing senator, he has proven he can do that…but as CINC, he is failing miserably, worse then any other president in history…

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

This guy is an object lesson into the failure that is affirmative action. He and his thumb sucking drones are so darn smart, just ask ‘em. They know how to outthink, outsmart, and outdo everyone–just watch them.

just watch them…. epic fail…

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:21 PM

The US military what a proud organization! Remember Lynnie from Abu Ghrab? The bucktooth hillbilly private with a penchant for leashes and d*cks? That is the face of the new US military folks…get used to it

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Oh jeez, ban this cretin already.

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

they needed cash so go kill Iraqi women you ass

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

You don’t have the guts to spell it out…you post in “shorthand”, just try and be a man, a real liberal and tell us how you feel about our brave soldiers, how they risk their lives so men and women can be free.
Let’s see if you know how to really post what you think…or will you just shrink away and hide under a rock.

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

If you think you’re offending anyone, you’re not. You’re simply showing your (lack of) intelligence. And you happen to be speaking to a lot of people whom you’re not worthy of carrying their boots.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

And as far as killing children is concerned that is a terrible thing to say. Back when the Democrats were running things and Clinton was President we were hearing about how a hundred thousand children were dying in Iraq every year because of the sanctions. And somehow or other Clinton was not getting blamed. In fact no one believed it.

But the truth is the Americans are not the ones killing the children, the terrorists are. And if Blueneck here really is indicative of what liberal Democrats are…I hope he rants his nonsense from the roof tops, it will only drive down the numbers of those Democrats more. After all, the American people did not know they were electing people who hate American soldiers.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

c’mon blueneck! you are weak tonight! You need to work in walmart, nascar, hot dogs, grimy hands from fixin’ stuff, and large families, both in size and number! C’mon impugn people with some creativity!

It is a real hoot!

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Hey Ed Morrissey you catching this thread?

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Looks like Obama is losing both at home—and abroad….

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Suck on that liberals.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM

+1

bill30097 on August 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM

What is this some kind of pretend Marine love in?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Above is from a pretend American

bill30097 on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM

It’s interesting to see how liberals resort to personal attacks when the facts got them down. Polls are down, sales are down, jobs are down, confidence is down, Obamacare is (going) down and what do we see–do we see a reasoned and logical debate over the facts….Nope, we see personal attacks. Can the president stand upon facts and truth to further his agenda? Sorry–he attacks people who rightfully oppose his statist liberal agenda. We see the pattern, we are having a battle of the wits with unarmed people.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM

By the way…all you that want me banned? As my favorite actor once said “YOU JUST CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!” And nobody is going to ban be you ass*oles. If you are too stupid to realize they like the traffic people like me generate. Look up “Marketing 101″ after you are done watching “Dancing with the Stars”

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM

blueneck really should be banned. obscene.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:26 PM

The truth??? What the hell would a hateful little moron like you know about the truth?

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:27 PM

After I produced a Blueneck in the bathroom I as happy I did not live in Cuba with their toilet paper shortage and have to use Castro’s beard

bill30097 on August 19, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Blueneck at 8:19 PM-

That is the face of the new US military…

Blueneck: a condition occuring from the stoppage of neuronal activity in the brain caused by oxygen deprivation to the head resulting from habitual insertion of same in the sphincter.

profitsbeard on August 19, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Sure, COL Nathan R. Jessup–a great example of a man tasked with the care of another human being, and failed to do so. Just like the Won. Arrogant, condescending, entitled, career focused.

The only clear difference between COL Jessup and Obama is that COL Jessup actually held leadership positions before headin’ to the clink. Well, I guess Obama did get elected. Either way, reality finally caught up with their respective arrogance.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM

they needed cash so go kill Iraqi women you ass

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM
You don’t have the guts to spell it out…you post in “shorthand”, just try and be a man, a real liberal and tell us how you feel about our brave soldiers, how they risk their lives so men and women can be free.
Let’s see if you know how to really post what you think…or will you just shrink away and hide under a rock.

right2bright on August 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Blueneck is not a man Blueneck is a community organizer, the lowest form of vermin knon to man

bill30097 on August 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I mean listen to you and your idiot stereotypes. I bet you never even met a soldier, especially not a career soldier. I have. They are not uneducated. We have more people with degrees in the military than in the general population you idiot.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Ed. I rarely favor abortion but please abort Blueneck. We have granted him the freedom and liberty to speak his mind and he (or it) has done so. Now, please oblige him with the consequences of his flaunting of that liberty.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM

A “surge” of violence immediately after the US pullback was a fore-gone conclusion. All this talk of Iraq “slipping away” is very premature, but we should keep a sharp eye on what happens from here on out.

commenter on August 19, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Whats your point? Oh.. you are one of those leftie idiots complaining about war casualties…

US Wars by number of dead with deaths per day.

1. American Civil War 1861–1865 625,000 599
2. World War II 1941–1945 405,399 416
3. World War I 1917–1918 116,516 279
4. Vietnam War 1964–1973 58,151 26
5. Korean War 1950–1953 36,516 45
6. Amer. Rev War 1775-1783 25,000 11
7. War of 1812 1812–1815 20,000 31
8. Mex–Amer War 1846–1848 13,283 29
9. Iraq War 2003–now 4,328 2
10.PhilippineWar 1899–1913 4,196 .8

It amazes me that you libards can throw a fit about adults dying to protect your right to be a moron, and yet can slaughter innocents with abandon.

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I’m not a “leftie idiot” and I complain about war casualties.

How was Iraq a threat to the United States at the time and how, exactly, did the US invasion “protect my right to be a moron?”

Sleeper on August 19, 2009 at 8:32 PM

One thing about someone like blueneck…I know lifelong Democrats who are freaking out about the crazies that have taken over their party..and I tell them that a lot of these people hate the military and hate soldiers and actually kind of get a kick out of them getting killed. They do not want to believe there are people like blueneck on the internet posing as liberals or liberal Democrats. If you can keep direct them to a thread like this, it really helps bring home to them that the modern Democratic party is not the party they knew. It has been infested.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM

thanks terrye.

Ed. Is Blueneck in the bucket yet? I hear there’s federal funds for “healthcare” procedures like this with nice names like “choice” and such.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Sure, COL Nathan R. Jessup–a great example of a man tasked with the care of another human being, and failed to do so. Just like the Won. Arrogant, condescending, entitled, career focused.

The only clear difference between COL Jessup and Obama is that COL Jessup actually held leadership positions before headin’ to the clink. Well, I guess Obama did get elected. Either way, reality finally caught up with their respective arrogance.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM

OH MY GOD. This guy thinks this move is real life! Allah or Morrisey or whoever runs this joint (honestly I do not know anything about who runs this) will NEVER ban me from here because I bring out the real wierdo repugs. He loves that.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM

2,249 murders in CA in 2007

vs.

9. Iraq War 2003–now 4,328 2
10.PhilippineWar 1899–1913 4,196 .8

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM

We better pull out of California!

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

One thing about someone like blueneck…I know lifelong Democrats who are freaking out about the crazies that have taken over their party..and I tell them that a lot of these people hate the military and hate soldiers and actually kind of get a kick out of them getting killed. They do not want to believe there are people like blueneck on the internet posing as liberals or liberal Democrats. If you can keep direct them to a thread like this, it really helps bring home to them that the modern Democratic party is not the party they knew. It has been infested.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Can somebody explain this dribble to me? What exactly is this person talking about?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Sleeper:

What are you? 12?

I mean really. It is as if all these people just slept through the 90s.

I can remember seeing Bill Clinton on TV saying that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world and the region and that not only did he have weapons of mass destruction, he would use them. Mark my words Bill said, he will use them.

No one doubted him. No one called him names and said he was a liar.

In Feb 2000, General Zinni said that our number one threat was not AlQaida, it was Saddam Hussein.

He tried to kill a president. He ignored a cease fire. He kicked out the weapons inspectors. He shot at our planes. He hid those weapons programs and they were later found..and to this day no one knows exactly what happened to the weapons we know he had. He ignored a dozen force resolutions from the UN and he turned a the food for oil program into his own personal slush fund. He killed more Muslims than any westerner ever did.

And if he was still there, those weapons programs would be up and running and he would be unstoppable. And that would not be a good thing for the United States.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM

You don’t know anything about this blog, and yet you signed up. Or is it because you are a paid libtard shill?

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Ed, AP–Would you be so kind to ban this person?

thank you.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM

He/she/it has lost all credibility to any one paying attention. The comments may, or may not be over the line, but could be representative of all far left commentors.

Its not a bad thing to have a lab rat around.

cozmo on August 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Blueneck:

It is simple, you are the kind of person who is making the Democratic party plummet in the polls. No one likes people like you.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM

If anybody is still reading this, other than Blueneck still expressing his subconscious desire to sexually submit to men who are his betters by several orders of magnitude…

Grim responded to Ed’s post over at Blackfive

The key thing to watch is whether the ISF is now ready to change. If they start adopting the best practices they’ve already been taught, this should be short, and there will be a happy ending. If not, then not, but it’s on them.

malclave on August 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM

It is simple, you are the kind of person who is making the Democratic party plummet in the polls. No one likes people like you.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM

I bet Gavin Newsome would just love him!

daesleeper on August 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM

You don’t know anything about this blog, and yet you signed up. Or is it because you are a paid libtard shill?

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Of course I get paid to slash my wicked repartee with you repug cretins. By the Axelrod ACORN slush fund as diverted through Valerie Jarrod “Campaign for Chicago” donation list. I thought everybody know that.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Grim responded to Ed’s post over at Blackfive

malclave on August 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM

And it makes good sense.

cozmo on August 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Obviously you do not bother to read anyone’s comments. If you had read any of mine in the past, you would know I am not a republican. I am a conservative independent. If you had any reading comprehension skills, you might notice I never couch anything as Republican vs Democrat. Political parties are like organized religions. Eventually they become so corrupt that they become no better than those they oppose. I vote on the issues as the Founding Father intended. I hold the Constitution of the United States as the supreme law of the land and it is not open to interpretation.

You will find there are a lot of non-Republican conservatives around here.

Now please, go back to the DailyKOS and stay with your equals and stop annoying those who are your betters. Gads. Liberal343 and AfroLib are liberals, but unlike you, we can have intelligent discourse with them (as annoying as the can get sometimes) compared with the tripe that spews from you.

Wolftech on August 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Obama and the Iraqi leadership are being tested.

Obama ‘The Weak’ will read his teleprompter and give a nice speach but little else. The terrorists will continue their campaign and sadly, many more will be killed.

RJL on August 19, 2009 at 9:01 PM

OH MY GOD. This guy thinks this move is real life! Allah or Morrisey or whoever runs this joint (honestly I do not know anything about who runs this) will NEVER ban me from here because I bring out the real wierdo repugs. He loves that.

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Either

1) You got beat up at Chico State by some ROTC guys or

2) A Marine ran off with the only girl to acknowledge you without asking for your credit card first.

Either way I owe someone a beer.

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Blueneck,,,, How dare you take a broad hit on all of our military? Are you some kind of ignorant fool? Do you realize how much training service people get in the high tech military? There are two things I can’t tolerate and thats ignorance and laziness. Another thing a generation ago the Democrats for the most part were hardworking pro freedom and supported the military. Senators like Sam Nunn and Henry Jackson. How nearly all the democrats are very left leaning similar to George McGovern or even more Leninist. This is why a lot of democrats today don’t understand the extreme view by the leftists in power like Nancy, Harry, and BO.

garydt on August 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM

McCain’s 100 year estimate was conservative.

EconomicNeocon on August 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Sleeper:

What are you? 12?

I mean really. It is as if all these people just slept through the 90s.

I can remember seeing Bill Clinton on TV saying that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world and the region and that not only did he have weapons of mass destruction, he would use them. Mark my words Bill said, he will use them.

No one doubted him. No one called him names and said he was a liar.

In Feb 2000, General Zinni said that our number one threat was not AlQaida, it was Saddam Hussein.

He tried to kill a president. He ignored a cease fire. He kicked out the weapons inspectors. He shot at our planes. He hid those weapons programs and they were later found..and to this day no one knows exactly what happened to the weapons we know he had. He ignored a dozen force resolutions from the UN and he turned a the food for oil program into his own personal slush fund. He killed more Muslims than any westerner ever did.

And if he was still there, those weapons programs would be up and running and he would be unstoppable. And that would not be a good thing for the United States.

Terrye on August 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Yes, I’m 12 years old.

So you’re telling me it took another 10 years to finally take Bill Clinton’s advice? Considering we took Clinton’s advice 10 years later, that would explain why we found no weapons of mass destruction, which means that Saddam was no threat.

And we can see how successful he was at trying to “kill a president.” Why were our planes in the area in the first place? I would ignore the UN, too – the UN is a joke. How does Saddam killing muslims affect the United States or any other country, for that matter?

”And if he was still there, those weapons programs would be up and running and he would be unstoppable. And that would not be a good thing for the United States.”

That is speculation. You can’t say for sure that he would have a weapons program that would be “up and running… and unstoppable.” It would have been better, in a strategic sense, to keep Saddam in power. Why? Because the Iranians thought he was crazy – and they’re right. But, of course, the interventionist US had to get involved and mess everything up. Let’s remember, according to you Saddam’s non-existent WMDs were a threat to the US!

Sleeper on August 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Iraq is due for elections soon. Some parties in opposition to the current power base might think it is in their interest to show that the current government is unable to control the situation. Mayhem might be one political tool they use to get elected.

Take this in the context that there are elections soon and parties are already jockeying for position.

crosspatch on August 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Blueneck,,,, How dare you take a broad hit on all of our military?

He’s a liberal… ’nuff said.

malclave on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Don’t feed the trolls! Starve them of recognition, and they’ll disappear.

OldEnglish on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Waiting for you to answer Blueneck???????????????. Did your father, sister, aunt, grandfather or uncle ever serve in the military? Would you brand them idiots that were not smart enough to work at a 7-11 store? Its hard for me to tolerate a fool that enjoys his freedom of spouting off when the nation could have slid into a dictatorship many times. You should be ashamed.

garydt on August 19, 2009 at 9:40 PM

We best leave it anyway.
Iran and NK want us too busy.

Don’t feed the trolls! Starve them of recognition, and they’ll disappear.

OldEnglish on August 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM

johnnyU on August 19, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Blueneck is an American who moved to Canada to avoid the draft. The copraphagious twit should be banned for his ignorance if not his hateful posts.

thomasaur on August 19, 2009 at 9:47 PM

johnnyU on August 19, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Now, if we only had someone with the guts to stand up in the middle of the UN and say “iran and NK who?”

OldEnglish on August 19, 2009 at 9:47 PM

What the h*ll point are you trying to make posting Democrap talking points about a war we were as wrong as they were about.

frumian on August 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Those are NOT democrat talking points. They are what they are trying to erase from history.

MB4 on August 19, 2009 at 9:57 PM

garydt on August 19, 2009 at 9:40 PM

I’m sure Blueneck is a combat veteran who served alongside the heroic Jesse Macbeth.

malclave on August 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM

I found something at Canada Free Press that deserves some attention…By JB Williams…

Unlike when every liberal and socialists in the world blamed George W. Bush for hurricane Katrina, even though no American president yet has the power to create hurricanes, direct where the storm will hit land, or make a foolish Mayor get his people out of harms way with two weeks advanced notice of trouble – the person responsible for 75 dead and 310 injured in Iraq this morning is quite obvious…

Determined to keep some form of his arbitrary Iraq troop withdrawal plan intact, just to keep his Code Pinko constituents back home appeased while he fumbles every political football on earth, Barack Obama left the Iraqi people at the mercy of Islamic terrorists still anxious to kill and this mornings headlines read – 75 killed, 310 injured in Baghdad attacks.

On August 4th, August 10th and again this morning, car bombs rocked the capital of Iraq, making August the deadliest month in Iraq in more than two years. With Obama’s withdrawal of American troops, Iraqi citizens are once again open targets for Islamic terror groups who are still very much at war with western culture, even though the Obama administration has outlawed the term “war on terror.”

While Obama plays politics, innocent Iraqi men, women and children who braved a gauntlet of fire to paint their fingers purple in the first free elections they have ever known, are dying!

As many experts tried to warn, any premature arbitrary withdrawal of American security forces from Iraq would leave Iraqi citizens exposed to renewed terror attacks and all of the hard work done over the last six years would be for not, as the country is allowed to sink back into a caveman existence controlled by brutal terrorists.

BobAnthony on August 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM

But, I thought there was a new era, a new universal feeling of peace and love in the world since last November?

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 19, 2009 at 10:16 PM

What is this some kind of pretend Marine love in?

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Marines are so ghey.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 10:22 PM

They didn’t put their lives on the line for me Bubba, I didn’t ask them to go to Iraq and kill innocent children. They are paid volunteers…It;’s a JOB. They couldn’t get a job at the 7-11 in TULSA and the baby momma was KNOCKED UP! they needed cash so go kill Iraqi women you ass

Blueneck on August 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM

It’s almost hard to believe you actually believe what you’re saying. You seem like a terrible person. The kind of person that travelers of the same ideological persuasion can’t stand to be around, leaving you to pick scraps at a center right site.

And as far as education goes, I have 6 years of post-secondary education compared to an average US high school graduation rate of 70%. The DoD is a massive organization, and sometimes a rotten fish slips through the net. But the overwhelming majority are individuals of impeccably strong character, who love this country and its exceptionalism more than you could possibly comprehend.

You don’t seen to have a love for anything greater than yourself. I actually feel sorry for you.

BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 10:37 PM

We waste our American military forces, honorable volunteers all, by using them to fight as surrogates in intra-Ummah battles; a no-win scenario if ever there was one. Just look at the recent victory party Maliki threw to celebrate the retreat withdrawal of the American ‘occupiers’. In that sense, Afghanistan will just be a re-play. Where is the overarching strategy for the West?

This was Pres. Bush’s entirely avoidable error. GW had the courage of his convictions, but lacked knowledge and historical imagination or he couldn’t have done what he did. He also gets a ‘D’ for leadership skills in my view (as a 2-time GW voter). All-in-all, Iraq has been and continues to be just another in a long line of corrupt Islamic tribal sinkholes for American lives and treasure. Remember, the successes of Gerneral Petraeus’ tactics were driven by American cash money–greasing the palms of the sheiks. When the money ran out, so did they.

As far as this being an illegal war–such a thing does not exist, and can’t–war is about imposing one’s own idea of what ‘legal’ is by use of force. Either you win or you don’t.

Thomas Barbeau on August 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Suicide Bomber Killed En Route By Car Bomb

Guardian on August 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Does Obama care?

JellyToast on August 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM

I think not. He’s sent the strongest signals that he’s interested in getting out at almost any cost. He doesn’t want to bother with it and is more interested in diverting the money elsewhere. His political calculus is that he can do a better job blaming Bush for any debacle then he can in defending Iraq.

This point is not lost on any of the terrorists. This is an example of the test that Slo’ Joe alluded to during the election. For the moment the terrorists are interested in how Bambi is going to respond. They have a pretty good idea and they know with Bambi so invested in the health care debate, he’s not going to be pro-active in Iraq.

You see AP, it’s not enough to say you’re going to continue the policy, you have to be committed to it. Bambi isn’t and everyone knows it.

PackerBronco on August 19, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Bush wins the war, Obama gives it all back to terrorists. Perhaps the terrorists funded his campaign too?

workingforpigs on August 20, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Wait a minute….

Didn’t just yesterday the Iraqi government were pondering the question of “we got this”?

Poop or get off the pot. Our men and women still in harm’s way, hamstrung to extents that I’m not fully aware of, but still there.

It’s simple, do the job or be gone. We don’t want a base in Iraq, the place sucks as anyone who has been there can attest, and I say that on behalf of those who may have to do a tour of duty there. Korea, yea it’s a nice duty station. Germany rocks from what I’ve been told, never been there. Okinowa, a small island but plenty to do, and no islamist terrorists trying to blow them up. Iraq? Flush a toilet and follow the turd, where it stops, you have Iraq (and Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and Yemen).

Make the call Iraq, and be quick about it. You got it or you still need help? Just stop jerking our servicemembers around.

Hog Wild on August 20, 2009 at 12:16 AM

It’s almost hard to believe you actually believe what you’re saying. You seem like a terrible person. The kind of person that travelers of the same ideological persuasion can’t stand to be around, leaving you to pick scraps at a center right site.
BadgerHawk on August 19, 2009 at 10:37 PM

You’re saying Keith Olbermann paid us a visit?

Ew!

It’ll take weeks for Ed to wash the stench away!

Pomme143 on August 20, 2009 at 12:30 AM

if al-maliki wants the us out of iraq, lets tell him we are leaving now. complete withdrawal as fast as we can. if he thinks that is a bad idea, tell him we want total military control. either we stay with complete control or we leave completely, now.

mydogwonthunt on August 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Obama’s talent is looking good and sounding good on TV. That is what he does. Governing is done by someone else. That is why all the tsars. Obama needs to appoint a tsar for Iraq and another one for Afghanistan. It is the way a good community organizer would do it. Have a meeting, bring people together. Have them choose a leader, and go on their way ‘cuz Obama has another meeting to go to.

Skandia Recluse on August 19, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Have a meeting, bring people together. Have them choose a leader, and go on their way ‘cuz Obama has another meeting vacation to go to on.

Susanboo on August 20, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Obama’s talent is looking good and sounding good on TV. That is what he does. Governing is done by someone else. That is why all the tsars. Obama needs to appoint a tsar for Iraq and another one for Afghanistan. It is the way a good community organizer would do it. Have a meeting, bring people together. Have them choose a leader, and go on their way ‘cuz Obama has another meeting to go to.

Skandia Recluse on August 19, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Have a meeting, bring people together. Have them choose a leader, and go on their way ‘cuz Obama has another meeting vacation to go to on.

Susanboo on August 20, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Keep it in perspective. The bombing is what terrorists call ‘a spectacular.’ These things are designed to arouse the media and to dampen morale. The point of spectaculars is that they are difficult to do and leave a lot of clues for the investigators to work with. So many people need to be involved in an operation like this that the police forces, if they are competent, can learn a great deal from it and track down a lot of the culprits and masterminds.

These things won’t happen often. Its an embarrassment for the government, but it does not mean that things have fundamentally changed in Iraq. It simply shows that the government have been dreaming about their achievements rather than evaluating them coldly. This is a Muslim trait (think of that spokesman in the Iraq war who was telling everyone the US was defeated when tanks were rumbling over his lawn.)

dcpolwarth on August 20, 2009 at 4:42 AM

Blueneck won’t be back. FYI. We have to do a clean-up after every open registration, and we’re still perusing the threads.

Ed Morrissey on August 20, 2009 at 7:26 AM

“They have been a pleasant surprise to the extent that they haven’t changed directions in Iraq.”

That is incorrect and the media has blown of the changes he has done on the political end, not the military end, and yes he has changed direction and policy there.

JeffinSac on August 20, 2009 at 7:38 AM

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