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WSJ/NBC poll shows ObamaCare fading; Update: Poll data coming out later; Update: New numbers look as bad as the old

posted at 1:36 pm on August 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Update: The key data in the post below comes from a survey done at the end of July.  Here’s the NBC report from today on the poll coming out this evening:

And according to a brand-new NBC News poll, 47% of Americans — a plurality — oppose the public plan, versus 43% who support it. That’s a shift from last month’s NBC/WSJ poll, when 46% said they backed it and 44% were opposed.

In a follow-up question explaining the benefits and disadvantages associated with a public plan, 45% said they agreed with the description — by supporters — that it would help lower health-care costs and provide coverage for uninsured Americans.

But 48% sided with opponents who say a public option would reduce access to their choice of doctors, and would lower costs by limiting medical treatment options.

Here’s what happened.  When I read the MS-NBC report on the poll, I went to the WSJ front page and found the headline for a poll, but didn’t realize that headline was for a story from three weeks ago.  Thanks to Geoff A for pointing out the difference.  I’ll have the new poll data when it gets released.

My apologies for the confusion.  However, it doesn’t look as though the thrust of the post will be incorrect when the latest poll data gets released today.

Update II: Geoff A forwarded me the PDF from the new survey … and it’s at least as bad as the end of July.  Same survey type (adults), the partisan sample is even more skewed (33% Democrat/20% Republican without leaners, 41%/29% with leaners), and still bad news for Obama.  Some lowlights:

  • Overall approval drops from 53% to 51% — and that’s with a four-point boost to the Democratic advantage in the sample of adults, as opposed to registered or likely voters
  • Health care approval gap spreads to -6, with 47% disapproving and 41% approving
  • Support for a complete overhaul of the health-care system dropped from 33% in April to 21% in August.  Support for a “minor reform” jumped 10 points to 31% in the same time period.
  • 40% of respondents say that Obama’s plan will make their health care worse, as opposed to 24% who say it will improve it.  In April, those numbers were 24% and 22%.  He’s lost 16 points on that question.
  • The public option still trails, 47%-43%.
  • What will ObamaCare bring?  55% believe it will allow access to illegal immigrants, 54% believe it will lead to a full gov’t takeover of the health-care system, and 50% believe that tax money will pay for abortions.  On the plus side, 50% thought death panels were unlikely to happen, although 45% weren’t as sanguine.

With a sample like that, Obama should have gained ground.  Instead, he’s losing ground.  It’s not brain surgery to figure out why.

Original post follows:

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The longer Americans look at ObamaCare, the less they like it.  A new poll by NBC and the Wall Street Journal of adults, rather than likely or registered voters, confirms that Barack Obama has lost ground on his ambitious overhaul of the US health-care industry.  Two months ago, a WSJ/NBC poll showed Americans split on ObamaCare.  Now a plurality opposes it, and only 15% of those currently with insurance think it would improve their care:

In mid-June, respondents were evenly divided when asked whether they thought Mr. Obama’s health plan was a good or bad idea. In the new poll, conducted July 24-27, 42% called it a bad idea while 36% said it was a good idea.

Among those with private insurance, the proportion calling the plan a bad idea rose to 47% from 37%.

Declining popularity of the health-care overhaul reflects rising anxiety over the federal budget deficit and congressional debate over the most contentious aspects of the legislation, including how to pay for it. The poll also shows concern over the role of government in determining personal medical decisions. …

In the Journal poll, only two in 10 people said the quality of their own care would improve under the Obama plan; just 15% of those with private insurance thought it would. Twice as many overall, and three times as many with private coverage, predicted their own care would get worse.

Again, sampling adults rather than registered voters or likely voters would tend to skew polls more to the left — which makes this result even more compelling.  Their sample includes 30% Democrats and 22% Republicans, without leaners; with leaners, it’s 42% Democrats and 33% Republicans, which seems like too wide a split for any real predictive value.

Given that, it’s not surprising that Obama’s job-approval number in this poll is still at a majority, but at 53%, it’s getting closer to crossing the line.  Three months ago, that number was 61%.  He’s now below the majority line for handling the economy, with a 49% plurality of approval.  On health care, however, he’s below water, with a 46% plurality disapproving of his performance, while only getting 41% approval.

And on individual mandates, the news looks especially bad for Obama.  Only 34% approve of requiring Americans to carry health insurance, while 60% oppose the individual mandate.  The business mandate for offering coverage has slipped in support from 55% a month ago to 49% now.  These have been key points of Obama’s health-care reform, and people have begun rejecting government mandates — which would eliminate the entire notion of saving costs on services to the uninsured, a critical component of Obama’s argument for reform.

In other words, Obama and his allies are losing ground.  Why?  People have had the opportunity to ask questions — and find out that the people who pushed this legislation have no clear idea of what’s in it.  The natural suspicion of common-sense people when seeing complicated matters being handled in a rushed fashion piqued their interest, and the more they discover, the less they like.

Update: Gallup’s poll now shows Obama at his lowest approval rating — a still not-bad 52% — and at his highest disapproval, 42%.


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It’s time for the GOP to Nuke this bill. Ft. Wasilla needs to send out afew more mortars, Boehner needs to come out swinging. There should be no vacations going on when the country is so close to Obama’s lifetime dream.

portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Obama wants a prime time slot so he can read his “Declaration of Dependence” to the nation.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 2:15 PM

What a sad, and scary notion! :o

capejasmine on August 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM

The change will pretty clearly be within the margin of error, so it’s not clear there’s been any shift recently. The original WSJ poll had a +/- 3.1% margin for a sample size of about 1000.

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Maybe a little OT, but Rasmussen’s poll on the “generic” Congressional ballot is 43% Republican, 38% Democrat, with Independent voters going 45-18% for Republicans. It was the Independents who gave Democrats the House the last two elections, and they’re swinging strongly back.

Keep pushing that socialized medicine, Barry O, and those townhall folks will turn out in droves against it. As one lady said to Arlen Specter, “you woke up a sleeping giant”.

2010 is looking more and more like a rerun of 1994. Same cause, same effects? I hope Michael Steele is out in the districts recruiting some winners. Time to take back the people’s House!

Steve Z on August 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I encourage them to ignore the polls and force this socialist abortion on all of us.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The problem that the GOP has is that the public is still pretty supportive of much of ObamaCare-lite.

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

What is “Obama care lite” and where is the poll that says that?

“Reform” does not equal government intervention.

The “co-ops” are DOA and so is the public plan.

The leftists may as well pass a bill at this point that nationalizes the entire medical industry because they are going to pay a huge price in either case.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM

It’s time for the GOP to Nuke this bill. Ft. Wasilla needs to send out afew more mortars, Boehner needs to come out swinging. There should be no vacations going on when the country is so close to Obama’s lifetime dream.

portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM

FWIW: Boehner’s represents a pretty affluent GOP district north of Cincinnati. I live in one of of two districts in SW Ohio immediately to the south of his. Today, for the first time, I noticed a TV ad criticizing Boehner for being a shill for the health insurance companies. It’s dopey ad, but it’s brand new, and it’s being played often.

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Don’t feed the trolls

TWG78 on August 18, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Obama and the Democrats were swept into power by appealing to the malleable middle with an anti-Bush message. Once in power, they are now shocked to discover that the malleable middle is still malleable, and responding to appeals regarding healthcare. The left’s response to this is suggestive not so much of a savvy political machine as it is a turtle turned over on its back. The appeals from the opponents of Obama’s healthcare plan are met with personal insults, group smears, risible half-truths and unbecoming petulance. The left thinks that the benefit of the doubt is their birthright. They are wrong and are clueless about how to deal with that fact.

z9z99 on August 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM

http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1562.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/majority-favors-healthcare-reform-this-year.aspx.

http://www.ebri.org/publications/ib/index.cfm?fa=ibDisp&content_id=4293.

And I’m not a troll because all of this is on-topic: “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM

The change is within the margin of error.

Just noticed this at the bottom of the NBC poll summary: The poll was conducted Aug. 15-17 of 805 adults. It has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.5 percentage points.

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I. have. polls . too.

Show me where the republicans support obama care lite. and please define what obama care lite is…

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM

you have not defined what “Obamacare lite” is and none of the numbers you brought in show Republican support for it.

I have a poll here that says its better to do nothing than continue with “reform” at all.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Here are some ugly numnbers for Democrat supporters of healthcare run a few days ago.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/democratic_voters_flee_the_oba.html

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I said public support, not GOP support. From your Gallup poll:

9. Despite positive views of many specific reform proposals, Americans appear ambivalent at this juncture on the overall merits of passing a broad healthcare plan.

In mid-July a majority of Americans favored passing a major healthcare reform bill (described without reference to who is supporting it). By later in July, several organizations’ surveys show a plurality of Americans opposed to passage of plans variously labeled as Obama’s plan, the plan proposed by President Obama and the Congressional Democrats, healthcare proposals being discussed in Congress, or healthcare reform legislation being considered right now. Other recent poll questions, which describe the plan in great detail, continue to show plurality of majority support.

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

By later in July, several organizations’ surveys show a plurality of Americans opposed to passage of plans variously labeled as Obama’s plan, the plan proposed by President Obama and the Congressional Democrats, healthcare proposals being discussed in Congress, or healthcare reform legislation being considered right now.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Even InTrade says this think should have a fork put in to it.

The worst case right now is for the Republicans to try to come out with a way to ‘fix’ this bill to be better.

It is so complex and far reaching that the thing is beyond repair of any kind.

Don’t even try to put lipstick on this pig.

CommentGuy on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Oops, sorry, wrong section:

On a case-by-case basis, Americans favor many specific proposals that have been put forth as ways of reforming healthcare.

Polls from several polling organizations released this week show that Americans favor a public option government plan to compete with employer plans, requiring insurance companies to cover everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions, tax credits to help some people pay for health insurance, and expansion of government plans to cover low-income Americans. Americans also appear to agree with a number of different ways of paying for healthcare reform, including taxes on the rich and requiring employers

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

CommieCare is far from dead.

Dave R. on August 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Polls got you down, champ. I know, maybe it’s time for anotha’ vacashun!

“M’chell, pack up da kids and load da plane, we goin’ to da vin’yerd. Grape pickin’, lobsta chasin’, pec showin’ and all dat.”

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM

To be more accurate:

Thirty-five percent (35%) of American voters say passage of the bill currently working its way through Congress would be better than not passing any health care reform legislation this year. However, a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that most voters (54%) say no health care reform passed by Congress this year would be the better option.

This does not mean that most voters are opposed to health care reform. But it does highlight the level of concern about the specific proposals that Congressional Democrats have approved in a series of Committees.

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM

“Damn the polls, Comrades, full speed ahead!”

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 18, 2009 at 6:07 PM

52% is bad for a guy who was 80% a few months ago. In truth, if the poll had more realistic demographics, his numbers would probably be about 8 points below that.

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM

From Drudge…

NYT: DEMS PLAN TO GO IT ALONE ON HEATHCARE… DEVELOPING…

Was there ever any doubt?

xblade on August 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM

The problem that the GOP has is that the public is still pretty supportive of much of ObamaCare-lite.

Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

unadulterated bullcrap

bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

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