Video: Dem wants to eliminate private health insurance altogether

posted at 12:55 pm on August 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) returned to the ObamaCare battle on MS-NBC’s Morning Joe today, preaching the public-plan gospel just as he did yesterday on CNBC. However, this time, Joe Scarborough goaded Weiner into a little more honesty than he’s offered on the effort to “reform” health care. Declaring that “health care is not a commodity,” Weiner says his aim is to eliminate all private insurance — which is why he will not yield on the public-plan option:

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The key points come at 2:31, 4:44, 5:15, and 7:15, but the 5:15 is when the light dawns for Scarborough. Jazz Shaw transcribes the moment:

S: It sounds like you’re saying you think there is no need for us to have private insurance in health care.

W: I’ve asked you three times. What is their value? What are they bringing to the deal?

S: Again… I’m astounded by your question. It sounds like you’re suggesting that there’s no need to have a country that’s run on free market principles.

W: Time out. Let’s focus on one thing at a time. This isn’t a commodity, Joe. Health care isn’t a commodity.

S: You’re saying that health care is different than everything else.

W: Health care is not a commodity.

S: But you are making the conservatives’ point. You are making the point of the people at the town hall meetings who say this is Barack Obama’s opportunity to get rid of private health care and turn it completely over to the government. I’m sitting here stunned, saying Oh My God, you’re making the point of the health care protesters.

W: If Barack Obama doesn’t want to do it, I want to do it.

Of course health care is a commodity. Weiner wants to use this populist pet phrase, which goes along with the notion of a “right” to health care, but it’s absurd. Food is a commodity, water is a commodity, clothing and shelter are commodities. Until cap-and-trade came up in the House, air was not a commodity, but carbon dioxide will shortly become one, even though life itself cannot exist without it. People have to produce the goods and services that comprise the health-care industry, which means that the supplies are finite and they expect to get compensated for their work. That makes it a commodity, regardless of Weiner’s socialist rhetoric. Anything with a cost is a commodity, by definition.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that much about economics has no business creating policy.

What do insurance companies do for health care? Weiner asks this question repeatedly as if there is no answer, but it’s as obvious as the fact that goods and services are commodities. Insurance companies provide risk pools for consumers that allow them to indemnify themselves against catastrophic health-care costs. It’s that simple. By paying a few hundred dollars a month in premiums, customers can get access to a wide range of goods and services in health care when needed. Insurance companies or private-sector co-ops attempt to calculate the risks to set the premiums at a point where customers find the pricing acceptable, investors in the risk pool can get a profit from its creation and maintenance, and providers get adequate compensation for their goods and services. The more these insurers compete against each other, the better pricing consumers get and the more efficient they become at controlling costs.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that much about economics has no business creating policy.

Weiner has a single goal in mind, which he announces at the end:

S: So, Anthony, I figured it out over the break. You actually do want the federal government to take over all of health care.

W: Only in the sense that the federal government took over health care for senior citizens 44 years ago.

S: You want to expand that for all Americans.

W: Correct. I want Medicare for all Americans.

Weiner wants to destroy the private sector insurance market, which accounts for 15% of the American economy, in order to have government control health-care decisions. At least, as Jazz says, he’s honest … for what that’s worth.


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Obviously, he’s a single-payer supporter.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Talk about “giving enough rope to hang himself with” – or is that racist? I can’t keep track anymore.

Beltway Bandit on August 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I saw this this morning and was shocked! The Fabians are crawling out of the woodwork now. The socialists aren’t hiding anymore.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Weiner: Correct. I want Medicare for all Americans.

Poster material.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

He’s just upset because his name is Weiner.

lutherjw on August 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Obama will say he misspoke. What he MEANT to say is “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…” Ya-dah, ya-dah, ya-dah.

Mojave Mark on August 18, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I’ve forwarded this to the WH snitch line. Which is a bit harder now but not much.

jukin on August 18, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Right in line with his President.

SINGLE PAYER OR BUST – NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES.

He just wants to do it faster than Obama (who also wanted to do it faster but was stopped in his tracks by the American people).

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 1:00 PM

there’s also a video of Jan Schakowski, from May, in front of Health Care for America Now in which she says the same thing. Barney Frank has said the same thing. S, this is not new.

mike volpe on August 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Obviously, he’s a single-payer supporter.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM

And more honest than President Obama to boot!

BadgerHawk on August 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Obviously, he’s a single-payer supporter.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM

The only difference between him and the rest, is that he’s dumb enough to be honest.

Any public plan, will eventually drive all private insurers out of business.

MarkTheGreat on August 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Whoever says the FedGov running healthcare will be a good thing is a frakkin’ idiot. We already have so many examples to the contrary…Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, USPS, the DMV…the list goes on and on. I understand the Lib politicians wanting to run healthcare so they can have more of what they love: Power and Control.

Battlecruiser-operational on August 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

We are so screwed.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Scarborough: It sounds like you’re saying you think there is no need for us to have private insurance in health care.

Weiner: I’ve asked you three times. What is their value? What are they bringing to the deal?

Weiner doesn’t understand the value of the free market. yep … I don’t even know what to say, except that Weiner and his ilk need to be shipped off to Cuba and North Korea. They are morons who serve no useful purpose to the societies they infest, as they bring nothing but stupidity, chaos, and destruction.

progressoverpeace on August 18, 2009 at 1:02 PM

If you like your current doctor, there is a chance that you are going to like your future government doctor.

If you like your current insurance, there is a chance that you are going to like your future governent insurance.

Granted, it’s a slim chance, but it is still a chance.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Just a gaffe. Which is, of course, when a politician accidentally tells the truth.

iurockhead on August 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM

The Oscar Myer doctrine of healthcare.

KG in Sask on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

WOW!!!!

at least he has the cajones to say what he believes in, can’t say much for the rest of the spinmeisters there….

cmsinaz on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

barack obama doesn’t want the weiner plan

gatorboy on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Obviously, this man is a communist.

I have this feeling that the democrats want to push this to violence. I think they believe the public will side with them when they begin to use force on people who disagree with them even after they shove a massively unwanted and unpopular program down our throats.

I think the democrats will be aghast when they realize the entire nation is going to rise up against them.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Beltway Bandit on August 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Racist? Depends, if you’re a conservative then obviously everything you utter is racist. Of course if you’re a black conservative it’s much worser.

Oldnuke on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

They are blatantly telling you they are socialists and yet many people besmirch anyone who points it out. Wake up.

Nothing these people “compromise” can be supported. No compromise no negotiations.

Kill the bill or it will kill us.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I just heard spokes-shill Blondie Whats-her-face on a newsbreak using the phrase “we” (ie, government) “keeping the insurance companies honest.”

Is anyone else sick of this “keeping them honest” pile of cow nitrogen?

Marcus on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I think the single-payer supporters do need to speak up. Let’s get all the viewpoints on the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

This is just another in a long line of dems that need to get the boot. Not only out of government, but this assclown needs a ticket to Venezuela…WITHOUT the means to live the “rich” life he’s been living.

In other words, this assclown and all those like him need to be shown what it’s like to live under socialist / communist rule without special favor.

I really want to see jerks like this have to go through that and video tape them complaining about every aspect of it, then see what they say when they come back to this country, if they were even allowed to.

If he got to stay a liberal elite on his return, he’d say the same thing even in the face of a video tape showing how miserable and complaining he would have been in Venezuela. If he lost his money and elite status, he’d probably become a conservative…or RINO anyway.

Maybe we need a special tax on these kind of guys…if they want to breathe the same air we do, they have to pay $5 a minute to the health care fund.

Spiritk9 on August 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Any public plan, will eventually drive all private insurers out of business.

MarkTheGreat on August 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Yep, any plan that involves a public plan or co-ops that look just like the public plan is unacceptable.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Obviously, he’s a single-payer supporter.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Wow. Your point…?

Bat Chain Puller on August 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

It would be funny if he wasn’t a politican. Because he is, he becomes dangerous.

sherry on August 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I have never seen so much political ad material before. Get to work RNC.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I have this feeling that the democrats want to push this to violence.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

No doubt about that.

progressoverpeace on August 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Well, duh.

There is absolutely no reason to do any of this if eliminating private insurance is not the goal. Anyone who believes the lies deserves every thing they get.

ORconservative on August 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

If You have a Right
To the Service I provide.
I must be a Slave.

Haiku Guy on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Why couldn’t Joe Scarborough answer the question. It’s nice to see a cogent defense of single payer on television, I guess MSNBC is the only place where Wiener wouldn’t be shouted down as a socialst.

And then there’s this:

Insurance companies provide risk pools for consumers that allow them to indemnify themselves against catastrophic health-care costs. It’s that simple. By paying a few hundred dollars a month in premiums, customers can get access to a wide range of goods and services in health care when needed.

There’s no reason the federal government can’t do the same. As Wiener’s point about Walmart and Obama’s point about the healthcare system all federal employees have, is that large insurance pools are in a better position to negotiate with healthcare providers. That is what keeps cost down, not competition among health insurance companies. Folks who are in larger pools, i.e. big corporations or state governments have lower costing better healthcare. The proof is in the pudding.

CrankyIndependent on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Scarborough should have asked the wiener where in the constitution he swore as a Congressman to uphold does it give the Federal Government this power. I’ve read it again and I cannot see it. Do I need special eye glasses to see the ink or has the Congressman inserted it. Again I can’t find it in my copy or on the Internet pages.

larvcom on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Technically, I think a “commodity” is a tangible object – which is why commodities trade on something other than the stock exchange, for example. So defined, health care is not a “commodity” – it’s a service. And health insurance is a contractual right – again, not a commodity, but an economic entity nonetheless.

The point is still the same – and your definition: “it has a cost” is the real point. We are talking about an economic entity – whether or not strictly a “commodity”.

ManUFan on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Weiner…….fits him perfectly

alexraye on August 18, 2009 at 1:08 PM

barack obama doesn’t want the weiner plan

gatorboy on August 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Yet. Dear Leader in 2003 did say He was in favor of single payer, just that it would take 10-15 years to get there. Ed has already linked to The One’s clip on this.

Quit lying about this fascist take over of our healthcare.

To quote the pro-choice community:
Keep your laws off my body.

rbj on August 18, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I think the single-payer supporters do need to speak up. Let’s get all the viewpoints on the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

If you support single payer you are supporting the destruction of our Republic. In other words … you support socialism/communism/progressivism.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Let me be clear, I don’t know Mr. Weiner.

txag92 on August 18, 2009 at 1:08 PM

As I have said over and over, this health care plan is their Trojan Horse to turn this country into a socialist state like Sweden, France, and Great Britain. If they succeed in this, then I don’t see anything stopping them from advancing their socialist agenda.

Joe Pyne on August 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Let’s get all the viewpoints on the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

So long as the viewpoints are honest. The filthy liar in the White House continues to make claims about state seizure of healthcare that are factually untrue. It’s impossible to have a discussion when those of your view refuse to admit the consequences of the radical change that is being proposed. As a result, I don’t trust anybody in government who speaks of single-payer options.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Does he also support giving Medicare Advantage to all Americans? You know, to cover all of the stuff that Medicare doesn’t… a list that will be expanded once government cuts Medicare funding to pay for… Medicare.

Tonus on August 18, 2009 at 1:10 PM

He has obviously made the transition from representing to ruling.

One thing the townhalls have shown, the outright arrogance of these people, their total lack if any reasoning skills, all they know is their talking points.

Why not let he sign up first. Ohhh they don’t have to … figures.

tarpon on August 18, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I think the single-payer supporters do need to speak up. Let’s get all the viewpoints on the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

We’ve been listening to your President for months on this issue. He’s a single-payer advocate, and has said as much on multiple occasions.

We’re not buying it. It’s been discussed – AND REJECTED. Pick any poll. Even the Obamacrats in the WH are backpedaling.

Try again.

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 1:10 PM

There’s no reason the federal government can’t do the same. As Wiener’s point about Walmart and Obama’s point about the healthcare system all federal employees have, is that large insurance pools are in a better position to negotiate with healthcare providers. That is what keeps cost down, not competition among health insurance companies. Folks who are in larger pools, i.e. big corporations or state governments have lower costing better healthcare. The proof is in the pudding.

CrankyIndependent on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Why should the government do it when insurance companies do it already?

Government intrusion and failure to stop the flow of illegals has driven up cost.

Get the government out … not put more in.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:10 PM

W: Correct. I want Medicare for all Americans.

Me thinks a Facebook post from Ft. Wasilla is in order, and soon to come.

portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 1:10 PM

How did this socialist turd ever get elected?

farright on August 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM

This is an important discussion because “reform” for liberals is expanding Medicare to everyone whereas “reform” for conservatives is expanding private insurance to everyone.

Given that Medicare is bankrupt, that’s a debate i’d like to see.

rock the casbah on August 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM

I think the single-payer supporters do need to speak up. Let’s get all the viewpoints on the table.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I agree. The reason they don’t say it out loud is because the American people are vociferously against single-payer.

You have to be pretty dense to not understand why they’re keeping quiet.

BadgerHawk on August 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Spot on Ed!

Yesterday one of our local liberal comment posters (sesquipwhatever) was going on about the lack of compassion on the right and took me to task for referring to healthcare as a commodity.

It doesn’t matter what you call healthcare it IS a commodity and no amount of sophistry will change that fact. It’s a service that someone has to provide that has a cost.

The beauty in this is that in a free market a commodity will tend to get cheaper, more abundant and higher in quality. We don’t currently have a full free market for health insurance in America so we haven’t seen the full benefits of this yet. Liberals think that by handing over something to the government some sort of magic will be worked and healthcare will no longer be a commodity and subject to evil capitalists and selfish people (like doctors who want to hack out our tonsils or lop off our limbs). What they don’t realize is that it is a commodity and that the service must still be provided for a cost – which is paid by the citizens via a grossly inefficient government bureaucratic behemoth. There are more administrators in Englands’ NHS than doctors and nurses. We currently lose several hundred billions of dollars per year in Medicade fraud. There is only so much money you can suck from the people to pay the cost of this commodity and a lot of the money gathered for this purpose is wasted and when it finally gets around to providing the service you have even more limited resources to do so – hence we’ll see rationing, waiting lists, denied procedures etc.

gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

*Channeling Queen*

Dun Dun Dun, another one meets the bus.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Costs in Medicare have escalated 8x the rate when compared to private insurance, efficient?

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Rep. Weiner’s last name is very appropriate. What a f*cking moron.

diditagain on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

If You have a Right
To the Service I provide.
I must be a Slave.

Haiku Guy on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Awesome.

gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

So long as the viewpoints are honest. The filthy liar in the White House continues to make claims about state seizure of healthcare that are factually untrue. It’s impossible to have a discussion when those of your view refuse to admit the consequences of the radical change that is being proposed. As a result, I don’t trust anybody in government who speaks of single-payer options.

I think the ones speaking up for that approach aren’t spinning. Their agenda is honest. It’s the same with conservatives who say, “Absolutely never.” They are honest.

The middle group? Man, they are pot-stirrers. Who can figure out what the heck they are saying? Spin is fine, to me. I’m used to that from politicians. But when they get to where the spin is just stirring up dust and blinding everyone?

Then, I object.

I have no problem with any of them putting the cards on the table. I’d rather deal with a straightforward debate, amongst people who disagree, than with dust in the eyes.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Weiner
That is what I truly wish to be
cause if I were a oscar mayer weiner
everyone would be in love with me
oh everyone would be in love with me
everyone would be in love with me

Knucklehead on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Is anyone else sick of this “keeping them honest” pile of cow nitrogen?

Who watches the watchmen?

Battlecruiser-operational on August 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM

If this guy can’t resolve what insurance companies bring to health care while embracing the notion that a government bureaucracy will make it better, well all I can say is he is a weiner. Sheesh.

DanMan on August 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM

He’s useless . . Even to the left.

It’s going to be really boring when these
libs finally wake up.

Texyank on August 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Here’s a caveat that no one has mentioned about competition: Blue Cross/Blue Shield greatly inhibits competition in many states because they have a huge monopoly on the health insurance market. Ironically, because they have the monopoly, THEY actually want government to make health insurance a single payer system. Why? Because BC/BS already has the infrastructure, technical ability, political power, and the market to facilitate it.

There is definite need of reform in health care to make health insurance more competitive. However, it should work on eliminating monopolies and reliance on the government reimbursement programs from Medicare. In many cases, CMS sends a monthly report on what they will reimburse for and what they won’t, and BC/BS follows suit.

Dismantle the monsters of BC/BS and Medicare, and we might find that health care is transformed positively in this country for good.

ICBMMan on August 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I used to think Scarborough wasn’t that bright, but he fleshed this out nicely. Well done, Morning Joe.

t.ferg on August 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM

If You have a Right
To the Service I provide.
To the fruits of my labor.
I must be a Slave.

Haiku Guy on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

This also works.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I bet he did telephone town hall meetings too, huh?

This thing ain’t over…

d1carter on August 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM

The talking heads like Joe, who interview these people NEVER ask the question I hear at town hall meetings which is: Will you give up your current plan and be 1st in line to get the plan you are advocating?

Since I hear at these town halls but not on syndicated shows I will continue to believe the media is in league with the politicians.

jarhead0311 on August 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM

You have to be pretty dense to not understand why they’re keeping quiet.

I agree. My personal opinion is that single-payer is off the table because we are not interested in letting go of our national identity, which is much more focused on individualism, the opportunities of free enterprise, etc.

We’re just not Europeans.

I do understand why the European system works better in a lot of ways.

But I think Americans would rather wrestle this out our way and come up with a unique approach than follow the blueprint in Europe.

That’s just my 2 cents, though. Who knows. In 10 years?

If the premiums keep skyrocketing and the benefits keep shrinking?

We may all meet one another in a rally clamouring for THE PEOPLE.

The corporatists are damaging democracy. That, I can see.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

I think this guy is only letting his real socialist feelings be known about health care so it provides cover for the rest of the dems to compromise a bit, save face as it were.

I don’t buy it, and I don’t want the gubmint messing around with this anymore. Again….

Tort reform.
Let insurers cross state lines.
Get the corruption out of the FDA.
Eliminate lobbyists money from the equation completely…somehow.

Let the scum like Chavez have their socialism, communism, fascism, totalitarianism, authoritarianism, ism ism, blah blah blah….and any liberal pusbag here in the states is welcome to go join them.

I do think this is going to come to blows, and I already know who will lose, and it’s not going to be freedom loving Americans.

Spiritk9 on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

We know from multiple sources that the elimination of private healthcare insurance companies is their goal, even though Obama and his main shills continue to lie about that. We cannot let that happen: not because of a love for the private insurance companies, but because of the destruction of American liberty that would occur if government-run healthcare, Obamacare, becomes our reality.

GaltBlvnAtty on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Weiner: Correct. I want Medicare for all Americans.

Poster material.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I saw a bumper sticker for sale that said something like:
ObamaCare – the efficiency of the DMV and the compassion of the IRS.

gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Weiner is a douchenozzle and Medicare is a bloated, inefficient and imminently insolvent disaster.

Believe me, as someone who has worked with several DMERC and DMEPOS clients and worked on several medicare accreditation processes, Medicare in comparison to any—ANY—privately run HMO or insurance body is a goddamned circus with only two exceptions. Those exceptions are Medicare Advantage (which is the private-sector based Medicare program) and Medicare Part D.

In fact, Medicare Advantage boasts a whopping 27% lower rate of emergency hospitalization than conventional medicare.

And guess which components of medicare Obama plans on making those cuts from? You guessed it, Medicare Advantage and the private-sector based Medicare Part D.

Which is all moot anyway, since even under the most optimistic projections Medicare will be bankrupt by 2019.

And Weiner along with the progressive caucus wants to visit this particular catastrophe on EVERY man woman and child in the USA.

Khorum on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Scarborough: It sounds like you’re saying you think there is no need for us to have private insurance in health care.

Weiner: I’ve asked you three times. What is their value? What are they bringing to the deal?

Ahhh, redefining the arguement is a wonderful thing. I’ll tell you what insurance companies provide over government healthcare:

Liberty.

The freedom to choose to invent my money how I want. If I am afraid of the future, I can choose to buy insurance.

Imagine.that.

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

If the American people keep sending guys like this to Washington, then we deserve the surrender our freedoms. This is the biggest battle for individual sovereignty in our country’s history. We can’t let any form of health care reform pass. Once they get their foot in the door, they won’t stop until we’re a communist country and we’re all sharing one bedroom apartments owned by the state.

The taxpayers of California and New York are moving out in droves because of socialists like this idiot. Pretty soon, there won’t be anybody left but the leaches who suck the system dry. Maybe the movie “Escape from New York” was a look into the future.

orlandocajun on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Given that Medicare is bankrupt, that’s a debate i’d like to see.

Congress refused to set aside medicare monies, so this argument doesn’t wash to me.

The defense department is broke, too, in other words.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I have no problem with any of them putting the cards on the table. I’d rather deal with a straightforward debate, amongst people who disagree, than with dust in the eyes.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

What the hell are you talking about? The cards are on the table. Just read the damn bill. It will collapse private insurance and force people to either buy government insurance or pay a fine of 2.5% of their gross income. People who now enjoy employer private insurance will be forced into the government’s clutches. Care will be rationed. Abortion will be government funded and seniors will be pressured to die.

You don’t seem to understand that this isn’t about health care.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM

I saw a bumper sticker for sale that said something like:
ObamaCare – the efficiency of the DMV and the compassion of the IRS.

gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

LOL

cmsinaz on August 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM

*Channeling Queen*
Dun Dun Dun, another one meets the bus.
Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Another addition to the playlist:
Waterloo – ABBA
Sharp dressed Man – ZZtop
Another one bites the Dust – Queen

Chainsaw56 on August 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Every day, more and more truth comes out…they just can’t help themselves.
This health care issue is a blessing for all conservatives…if we don’t win back everything in four years, we deserve nothing.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

jarhead0311 on August 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM

they will never give up their plan….
public option for thee but not for me

cmsinaz on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Khorum: Not EVERYone, because they are exempting themselves and their families.

GaltBlvnAtty on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Hilarious. A Jewish leftist legacy candidate to Jewish leftist Chuck Schumer’s vacated House seat in a minority district, so utterly detached from economic reality by his New York City victimhood mentality that he thinks all of life’s basic needs are constitutional rights (all except liberty, of course).

Wiener-boy is the poster child for everything that is wrong about urban-America politics. He doesn’t have the sense God gives a dog.

Jaibones on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The defense department is broke, too, in other words.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The defense budget is not running a $300 billion dollar annual deficit. Medicare is.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The Dems better invest in something like Super Poli-Grip to keep those masks in place a little better. All this “slipping” could get embarrassing!

Logic on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Here’s the Democrat dilemma Ann is struggling with.

She thinks that the polls are trending against Democrats because they aren’t pushing single payer hard enough.

The reality is the majority of Americans – particularly the independents and conservatives – recognize that single-payer is not a viable option for “fixing” health care. They see it as an excessive government encroachment where it has NO BUSINESS encroaching, and they are rejecting it. Polling bears this out.

So AnninCA is flummoxed. She’s wondering why more of her favorite Congresscreatures aren’t trumpeting the real goal of this health care legislation – to kill private insurance completely.

They’re screwed either way, Ann – if they say they’re not after single payer, they’re lying and their liberal base turns against them.

If they say they are for it, they’re rightly denounced by the rest of the taxpaying public (ie, the majority) as too socialist and economically illiterate, and are targeted politically by their opponents as making their point about wanting a complete government takeover of HC as the REAL goal of ObamaCare (which, after all, it is).

When you lie down with dogs Democrats…

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Tort reform.
Let insurers cross state lines.
Get the corruption out of the FDA.
Eliminate lobbyists money from the equation completely…somehow.

To me? This is as naive as single-payer proponents. If I never hear one more speech about getting lobbyists out, it’ll be heaven. Check the obits. I’m sure I’m dead.

If we let insurers cross state lines without having a proven oversight system?

You can just watch the scams unfold faster than on-line gamboling.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I have no problem with any of them putting the cards on the table. I’d rather deal with a straightforward debate, amongst people who disagree, than with dust in the eyes.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

But you have no debate with this…do you? You want universal health care for everyone, which means the demise of the private insurance agencies.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

The defense department is broke, too, in other words.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The Constitution mandates that the military be maintained.

I don’t see anything about health insurance being taken over by the government in there.

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Weiner is engaged to Hills bodywoman Huma now. Weiner also agreed not to run against Gillibrand after TOTUS twisted his arm…Weiner is probably fine with holding TOTUS’ fert to the fire…

ginaswo on August 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I don’t hear the RNC and congress playing this up…they are too quiet

cmsinaz on August 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Repeal the Law of Scarcity!

daryl_herbert on August 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM

If the premiums keep skyrocketing and the benefits keep shrinking?

The corporatists are damaging democracy. That, I can see.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Exactly why are costs going up? Do you know? Do you care? Or are you content just to blame everything on “evil” insurance?

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM

If we let insurers cross state lines without having a proven oversight system?

Let me guess – GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS will provide “oversight.”

The most corrupt, inefficient, disastrous entity on planet Earth provides “the oversight.”

Riiiiight. And you wonder why people don’t trust your politicians anymore.

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 1:23 PM

If we let insurers cross state lines without having a proven oversight system?

You can just watch the scams unfold faster than on-line gamboling.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

What oversight do you need, we already have a state insurance agency, we are just allowing compainies to expand their services.
And who said without oversight system…do you think this oversight system is more or less complex then taking over the whole health care system?
I can hardly wait for your answer…

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 1:23 PM

No, really it’s all good. We just need to have the government tell every Doctor, Nurse, and every other health worker what their new pay will be, then tell everyone else what treatments they can expect and when. BAM! Utopia. Inadequate health care for all! 100% piss poor care, fewer and fewer Doctors and hospitals, end inovation and research. That should make everyone happy, right?

That sound about right Ann?
How could ANYONE with ANY sense see ANY chance of this improving health care?

JusDreamin on August 18, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Weiner. Schumer. Nadler. Rangel — I’m sure I’m leaving someone out, but God Bless youse guys up there in NY who have to endure such crap.

TXUS on August 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

When you lie down with dogs Democrats…

You’re not really very good at reading through computer screens.

*haha

Seriously, the only time I don’t share directly my viewpoint is when I probably am not clear with myself.

On this issue? I’m clear.

You can take my posts at face value. Single payer just doesn’t line up with our own identity. And I’m not big on throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

(although, if we go through another round of private businesses ripping off people, like we did in this last decade? I’m probably going to move to socialism. They have acted without conscience!)

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

You know what else is spiraling up at an unsustainable rate, Ann?

THE COST OF GOVERNMENT UNDER OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS.

Funny, because that’s a cost that affects every man, woman and child in the nation – both now and tomorrow.

You don’t seem as concerned, do you?

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

He has to know, that this is the VERY point the opposition is opposed to. Assuming he knows that, he is tanking it faster than the Bumbling Bee named Obama, and his administration can.

capejasmine on August 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

If we let insurers people who sell books cross state lines without having a proven oversight system?

Makes about as much sense.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 1:25 PM

I, for one, welcome out new insect overlords. Bring on the death panels.

Trent1289 on August 18, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Ahhh, redefining the arguement is a wonderful thing. I’ll tell you what insurance companies provide over government healthcare:

Liberty.

The freedom to choose to invent my money how I want. If I am afraid of the future, I can choose to buy insurance.

Imagine.that.

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

A local radio morning host was going on the other day about the woes of our current system and how ObamaCare would be awesome. He had cancer and had to fight the insurance company to get the full benefits of his plan. He later switched to use his wife’s healthcare plan because it was a lot better. When she got a different job he had to switch back to the insurance provided by the radio station where they still fight him on paying ‘what they should’ for the necessary medicines prescribed by his doctors.

His point seem to be that under Obama’s plan this wouldn’t happen. And he’s right – though not in the way he intended. Under ObamaCare he wouldn’t have been able to switch to his wife’s insurance plan and he would currently have no recourse to fight with his insurance company or pressure his work to get a different insurance provider or to get a different plan. If we had the system Obama wants then he would have an even crappier and more disruptive bureaucracy to deal with and NO CHOICE to go to something else.

gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 1:25 PM

This being my first post ever, I hope to make it a good one. For too long I have let my voice be silent… But no more. I am certain I will be labeled by the left for what I have written, if for nothing else, my grammar is horrible. That being said, it is not the spelling of the words that matter… only that the words are read!

This is John Galt knocking… is anybody there? When are all these “Bro-Bama” cultist going to wake up and realize this isn’t about them? It is completely about subverting the masses. They are purposely destroying the middle class just so they can make everybody a serf.

The democratic party is a repressive party that holds one ideal above all others… “I know better than you, and the best way to make you understand it is to give you alms in the form entitlements”. In other words, let me keep you sucking off the government teat (our tax dollars) forever, so I can always promise you more, and NEVER deliver you out of your station in life. And why would their plan never deliver you out of your poverty… because you never EARNED it! THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH!!! All the while they are telling you it is “that guys fault” for your problems.

WAKE UP! you democratic zombies… they are herding you like cattle to your slaughter!

The screams you hear at town halls across what remains of this great nation are cries from the pit saying, “I WILL NOT GO QUIETLY IN TO THE NIGHT”! We better make our stand here and now, or they will loot our money, pride, culture, religion, and blood until there is nothing left. And if you doubt what I am saying, look at your history. Show me a nation anywhere in the world that has or has had a socialist government thrive, exceed, and prosper for not only their nation, but for the world community as a whole. And don’t throw China in my face… They would not exist for one second without the brains, and the economic power of the USA. If we go down, everybody goes down with us!

It is gut check time… Pray to whatever God you believe in, that this nation can hold off the title wave of government control that is headed our way. And if you don’t believe in God, your destiny is already sealed.

Remember… WE THE PEOPLE are the ones who built this country to the greatest power on earth in less than 200 years, and did it without conquering a government, or stealing its wealth to build and elitist class to rule. (Do you hear me France, Germany, Italy, Russia, etc)

There is blood everywhere you look in this country and outside of it, spilled by the brave men and women who have fought for our right to be free. Why do we fight to be free? So we can stand and say, “I am American, I am equal under the constitution, I can make my own way, I can pray to who I want, I can defend myself, my family, and this nation if I wish, and I can say whatever the hell I like, when I like without fear of punishment!” If you want a great example of what it means to be free, just go ask the 20 million Iraqi’s what it feels like, and if they would like to give it back? God speed to our soldiers, who protect this nation, and whom without we would be as common and repressed as the rest of world.

Should we give a damn if the rest of the world doesn’t like us? They tell us all the time that the world hates us… ever ask why? It is very simple… because we have what they don’t, and they are jealous because they know they might not ever have it. They didn’t have the balls to create it when they had the chance, and now since we are the shining city on the hill, we must be forced down to their level. Why? So we can tell our children what this nation once was, but we lost it to a bunch of sniveling whiners that wouldn’t know the first damn thing about picking up a gun and defending what is great about us? And since they can’t, they steal what they want through laws, courts, czars, and directives.

WE THE PEOPLE are at the brink and they know it. They think if they just push a little more, they can send us back into the abyss and silence us. However, they have forgotten one thing… we have a piece of paper called the constitution that has the 1st and 2nd amendment in it. It will be a cold day in hell before they are able to physically remove either one of those two things… laws or no laws. We will not be quite, and we will defend ourselves and our families. To the biter end.

There is no end game for the democrats other than grabbing more power, and holding blackmail over your fellow man. Stay true to your convictions, (your God and your Guns) and fight them at every turn to your last breath. Let them know that you will not shut up because it is the unpopular thing to say… you will not fain your beliefs because it might make some segmented group of society feel bad!

For those of us who are conservatives, (and we know who we are) our day will come again if we get off our couch and become active in the process of our core values. Talk to friends, talk to the guy in line at the checkout counter, talk to you family, shout at your congressman, and tell them why values and principles built this nation from nothing, and it will take those same value and principles to restore it. Let not our sacrifices of the past be washed away by complacency. Remember and teach our history! Greatness is not something to be ashamed of… it is to be respected with honor and humility.

And for those democrats out there reading this, we conservatives only have one thing to say to you. Your days are numbered, so get the hell out of our way!

The Dead Terrorist on August 18, 2009 at 1:25 PM

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