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Polls: Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer getting poor grades on health care

posted at 10:54 am on August 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Yesterday, Andrew Malcolm noted that Barack Obama still wanted to argue over a B he received from a college professor when the latter paid a visit to the White House.  Obama probably won’t like the grade that he receives in the Investors Business Daily/TIPP poll on health care, either.  In a survey conducted last week, Obama gets a C- on his efforts to reform the American delivery of health care:

President Obama has yet to sell health care reform convincingly to Americans. The public is skeptical about whether an overhaul of the health system is in its best interests. One indicator of the skepticism is the poor grade Americans give the president for his handling of the issue.

In the latest IBD/TIPP Poll conducted Aug. 4 to 8, the president gets a C- for his handling of health care policy. Democrats give him a B-, Republicans give him a D and Independents a C-.

Though the president is still popular with high approval ratings, his handling of health care policy has hurt. The president scored a positive 57.6 in August on the IBD/TIPP Presidential Leadership Index, slipping a bit from 58.1 in July. But 37% give him an A or B for his handling of health care policy, while 60% give him a C or below.

Independents, a constituency the president needs, who give Obama a GPA of 1.54 on the issue — a grade below C — are closer to Republicans who give him a failing GPA of 0.85 than to Democrats with a GPA of 2.67.

Overall, more people rate Obama below average (42.7%) than above average (37%) in the IBD/TIPP poll.  The plurality gives Obama an F for his efforts (31.4%).  The next highest plurality is Good or B (22%), followed by average or C (16.8%).

Looks like the constitutional law teacher might get flunked in Governing 101.

If so, he’s not alone.  Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer get even lower marks in the latest Rasmussen polling on health care. A whole lot of (un)Americans found themselves singularly unimpressed with the arguments the pair made in a USA Today column last week:

Forty-five percent (45%) of voters nationwide think Pelosi and Hoyer are wrong when they say the passage of health care reform will mean more affordable coverage for all Americans. But 36% share the Democratic Congressional leaders’ view and believe health care will become more affordable if the plan passes. Eighteen percent (18%) are undecided.

Just 27% of all voters agree with the senior House Democrats that if the health care reform being considered by Congress is passed, it will mean more patient choice. Forty-nine percent (49%) disagree and do not believe more patient choice is likely, and 24% are not sure.

Among voters who have health insurance, the majority (52%) says the plan, if passed, will not mean more patient choice, while 25% say it will.

These aren’t the un-Americans Hoyer and Pelosi were seeking, either.  Independents scoffed at the arguments almost as much as Republicans did.  On the question of whether ObamaCare would increase choice, independents said no by almost 4-1, 61%-17%.  On whether ObamaCare would allow people to keep their current coverage, independents said no, 47%-34%. When asked whether the Pelosi/Hoyer effort would mean affordable coverage for all Americans, a majority of independents said no, 54%-24%.

Democrats face a big problem with independent voters.  In looking at these crosstabs, the independent voter response is very close to the Republican response in almost every question on health care, and starting to resemble it on economics in other polling.  The Democratic response is the exact opposite of both.  It looks as though Democrats have begun a pattern of isolation and group-think that will lead to a big and unwelcome electoral surprise in 2010.

They’re about to get a failing grade, too.


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Rather than receiving failing grades, all three should be expelled for maleficence.

meci on August 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Whoops! Well they should ignore those racist polls or maybe they should keep calling us racists, fascists, and tea baggers. That’ll work. I’m sure of it.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I have always considered these fools to be below average. The funny thing is, they keep falling lower and lower.

milwife88 on August 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Obama’s grade will never be released anyhow.

trs on August 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM

They’ve got nothing left to lose. Take-the-country-down-with-them strategy on the horizon….

Trent1289 on August 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM

See what happens when you go to school, study hard but ignore anything the teacher says and make up your own rules.

MSGTAS on August 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM

As my old college roommate, a self-described progressive liberal and Obama fan, said over the weekend: “These people haven’t even read that stupid bill.”

patriette on August 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Waterloo bitches.

barrythrowslikeagirl on August 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Flunking A..

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM

maybe he can talk to the professor and see if there’s a “fix” on this “misinformation”….

trouble on the academic front now too……champ.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM

An obvious case of the stupid teachers just not understanding the intellectual greatness of the students.

Bishop on August 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM

no wonder we can’t see his grades. When liberals graded you, you probably got all A’s….when reality grades you, it’s a whole different ballgame—like the one where you throw like a girl and wear mom jeans.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM

those polls must be racist and an immediate EO complaint filed…

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

There are people who are really upset with how high and how quickly their healthcare premiums are going up. Neither Obama nor the Congressional Democrats have shown that they understand the real problems with health insurance. Nothing that they have proposed thus far deals with the actual problems with our system and it’s really pissing off the voters.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Nazi polls.

LibTired on August 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Obama’s grade will never be released anyhow.

Aw, you just made me scare my dog.

Grab your popcorn. Where does a sociopath go from here?

BetsyBoss on August 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Arrogance, Hubris, and the backing of the MSM can just carry you so far. The South has an expression for these kind of people: All hat. No cattle.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

MEMO

TO: State Run Media

Please, please keep Pelosi, Hoyer, Obama and company on your front pages and telecasts. We, the Mob, can’t get enough of them. Thanks.

TXUS on August 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

The poll respondents are confused.

LibTired on August 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Rather than receiving failing grades, all three should be expelled for maleficence.

meci on August 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Nah, think ‘Double Secret Probation‘ until 2010. At the rate these clowns are burning through money, raising the flag of an ‘Imperial Congress’ and having ‘Twinkle Toes’ and his brother run rough shod over the economy, mid-Terms should end their careers.

SeniorD on August 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Where is Joe Biden?

Joe Caps on August 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM

When liberals graded you, you probably got all A’s….when reality grades you, it’s a whole different ballgame—like the one where you throw like a girl and wear mom jeans.

..and drink Bud Lite. You can’t forget the Bud Lite!

BetsyBoss on August 18, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer getting poor grades on health care

Grades? I thought they were on the Pass/Epic Fail system.

ChrisB on August 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Where is Joe Biden?

Joe Caps on August 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Still sitting at the picnic table wondering, over a non-alcoholic beer, where everybody went.

TXUS on August 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Where is Joe Biden?

Joe who? Oh, the vice prez.

major dad on August 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Joe Caps on August 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM

He is in the Vice-Presidential Bbunker, tied up in a chair with duct tape over his moth.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM

moth=mouth

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

I hope the House Trotsky-ites hold fast to their pledge to vote for nothing short of full on, hardcore gov’t care bar none.

Sink them, this bill, and the idiot who bumbled into the Big House in 2008.

JoeinTX on August 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Just keep in mind, that Obama’s numbers will always be skewed…he has a built in 12% that will never, ever leave him. This 12% supports mayors who are caught with hookers and doing drugs, these people are unlike any other political group.
Without this group, his numbers would be another 5-10% lower.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

It looks as though Democrats have begun a pattern of isolation and group-think that will lead to a big and unwelcome electoral surprise in 2010.

2010 SURPRISE!

Welcome to the unemployment lines you’ve provided with your liberal policies. Please take your place at the end of the line.

Rovin on August 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM

The poll respondents are confused.

LibTired on August 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM

And clearly showing signs of dementia. I think they should be fired on those grounds and replaced with all new respondents.

DrAllecon on August 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM

that c- is very generous.

SHARPTOOTH on August 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM

When liberals graded you, you probably got all A’s….when reality grades you, it’s a whole different ballgame—like the one where you throw like a girl and wear mom jeans.
..and drink Bud Lite. You can’t forget the Bud Lite!

BetsyBoss on August 18, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I drank Bud my whole life until I switched careers from a warehouse job to a desk job and started to gain weight. So, I switched to Bud Light. What is so girly about Bud Light? Is it just because it is a light beer? If not, what would you consider a more “manly” light beer?

Joe Caps on August 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Just what this country needed…sub-par leadership taking us down a path of ruin.

scalleywag on August 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM

When liberals graded you, you probably got all A’s

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM

It was probably douchy liberals who conceptualized grades such as “satisfactory” and “Needs Improvement”

We don’t want to create a grading system that is “unfair” or places certain groups at a disadvantage!

Shock the Monkey on August 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM

This is a Brooks Brothers suit poll!

Racists!

Nazis!

profitsbeard on August 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Speaking of dementia where have they stuffed Biden.

Me thinks it shows an unseemly lack of trust in our number 2 that the dear leader has taken away his mic on such an important issue.

Seriously, at least let Biden off his leash, so we can benefit from the ensuing hilarity. He’ll more than offset the banality of these socialist power grabbers.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM

EOF students are supposed to get a free education on the taxpayer and A’s. Somebody really screwed up.

Hening on August 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM

that c- is very generous.

SHARPTOOTH on August 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Exactly. How come no one ever asks me the question?

scalleywag on August 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM

It looks as though Democrats have begun a pattern of isolation and group-think that will lead to a big and unwelcome electoral surprise in 2010.

Yes, but they have an entire year to wipe out the blackmark they have received for their attempt at healtcare reform. I trust that the public won’t forget but Emmanuel and Co. have too much time to turn it around. I only hope they have been discredited enough that it sticks. Regaining trust is extremely difficult.

sherry on August 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM

WATERLOO b*tches

barrythrowslikeagirl on August 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM

So, you could say that they are acting stupidly?

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

What is so girly about Bud Light? Is it just because it is a light beer? If not, what would you consider a more “manly” light beer?

Joe Caps on August 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM

There is nothing girly about Bud Light or light beer in general. Personally I prefer Natural Light, but that’s the poor man in me talking.

Shock the Monkey on August 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Ah this explains it…warning pdf

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Barack Obama still wanted to argue over a B he received from a college professor when the latter paid a visit to the White House.

20 plus years later and you still worry about a B instead of an A? That is narcissism run amok.

rbj on August 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM

won’t like the grade that he receives in the Investors Business Daily/TIPP poll

I know people here like to debunk polls all the time based on who did the polling (see, for example, every CBS or NYT poll ever), but I’m not one of those. That said, it’s always fun to bring up this recent line from an IBD editorial:

People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

YYZ on August 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Personally I prefer Natural Light, but that’s the poor man in me talking.

Shock the Monkey on August 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Natural Ice has more kick for the same price.

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM

every time I see that Reid photo I’m hoping he’s having the big one…

PatriotRider on August 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM

The Won & Company are caught in the middle, like W was. They have angered their enemies and their base.

Schadenfreude is good.

Bat Chain Puller on August 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM

So, you could say that they are acting stupidly?

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

And where’s the measurement for Obama’s paygrade?

Rovin on August 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Throw Waxman in there. Waxman is the brains of that whole outfit and he keeps managing to avoid the spotlight that he has repeatedly earned for his socialist activism.

Khorum on August 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM

when reality grades you, it’s a whole different ballgame—like the one where you throw like a girl and wear mom jeans.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM

The National Debt in 2012 = 17 Trillion
Laughing at a narcissist. = PRICLESS
…. check out this Youtube of “Obama in Mom Jeans”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN2IA4reJLM

SayNo2-O on August 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I can’t believe how many comments are in here anymore. We’re all watered down now. Used to be you could write something and people would be able to see it. Too many commenters now.

ThackerAgency on August 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM

They’ve got nothing left to lose. Take-the-country-down-with-them strategy on the horizon….

Trent1289 on August 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Agreed. At some point these actors will see the writing on the wall and play their part in history. They will grab all they can grab before ‘10 and ‘12, for the good of the party. Prepare for Reconsiliation in October.

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Just keep in mind, that Obama’s numbers will always be skewed…he has a built in 12% that will never, ever leave him. This 12% supports mayors who are caught with hookers and doing drugs, these people are unlike any other political group.
Without this group, his numbers would be another 5-10% lower.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

There’s a problem with that constituency however. They always vote 90-95% for the Dems. So even if he holds onto them, he’s still in bad shape with independents and moderate Republicans.

Doughboy on August 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM

ThackerAgency on August 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM

that’s not called for, you can’t insult a group of people because there’s change that you don’t like..

SHARPTOOTH on August 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM

ThankerAgency, on matters of health insurance, your posts never go unnoticed or unread.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM

They all deserve our contempt. They have turned the issue into a mud-slinging fest, on both sides.

Meanwhile, normal people wait to see if they will grow up and start addressing real issues.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM

F’s all around….

Pelosi – Fake
Hoyer – (F)phony
Erkel – FRAUD

Jerome Horwitz on August 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM

27% of all voters agree with the senior House Democrats that if the health care reform being considered by Congress is passed, it will mean more patient choice.

This same bloc also picks Washington to win the National League pennant.

whitetop on August 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM

what grade did my hero Harry Reid get? waaaaaah!

kelley in virginia on August 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Send them down the hall to the office. Principal Rove can straighten out their ‘tudes.

They can each be held after school and made to write on the board 1000 times:

I deserve my ‘F’, but I will no longer talk back to the voter, and I will not diss the taxpayer who supports my habits.

These pols should be treated as the intractable children they resemble.

Yoop on August 18, 2009 at 11:38 AM

and those of us who have read the bill, digested & understood it better than those who vote on it & who will ultimately suffer at the hands of it while we also pay for it?

let’s hope our efforts of protest get an “A” when it really matters–when the congress idjits vote.

kelley in virginia on August 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM

They forgot to add the Affirmative Action 10%.

DDT on August 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM

They all deserve our contempt. They have turned the issue into a mud-slinging fest, on both sides.

Meanwhile, normal people wait to see if they will grow up and start addressing real issues.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Hey … don’t lump people who are voicing their opposition to an obvious power and control grab with our supposed national “leaders” who insult and demean them. The only “mudslinging” is coming from the left.

Meanwhile … normal people are addressing the real issue, this entire bill.

You’re not “normal”.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Listening to Dem’s speak this morning I finally understood what their argument is for the public option. I think it’s at least in part disingenuous, and it’s the kind of argument only someone who is a believer that government can solve all problems (despite all evidence to the contrary)can make. They see that the cost of insurance is a huge problem (which it is). They argue that the only way to solve it is to have a “government option” that forces insurance companies to compete, thus lowering their pricing. Somehow, they believe that the only way to spur that competition is to throw a ringer into the game, which is a wierd way to spur competition at best, and is the giveaway that “competition” is not their real goal.

If the problem is high cost of insurance (which keeps many people from buying it, either because they literally can’t afford it, or they weigh the risks vs the costs and taking the risk wins the day), there are some simple things one could do to create cost lowering competition. First would be to allow insurance to be bought and sold across state lines. Second would be to require insurance companies to define the risk pool as everyone they insure, and disallow the “group” coverage model. The group coverage model, which says that your risk is divided by the number of employees in your company group, or union group, or whatever group, is a business model that maximizes profit by managing the business in segments so that by maximizing the profit of each segment, you maximize the profit of the whole. This is why insurance for large groups (big companies or unions) is far less expensive than individual coverage. The risk is said to be spread across a larger pool of people. But, this is a business model, not a reality. In reality, the risk is spread across everyone the insurance company insures. There is no REAL reason my individual insurance should cost any more than your insurance from IBM, after all, if IBM hired me tomorrow, the risk of me getting sick doesn’t go up or down.

So, increase the size of the risk pools by allowing insurance companies to insure across state lines, and make all insurance individual, so that it’s portable, by mandating that insurance companies price their insurance by the risk their entire pool of insured people poses, not by artificially created “groups”. THAT would increase competition and lower prices.

irishlad317 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Anninca:
Meanwhile, normal people wait to see if they will grow shut up and start addressing real issues support socialized medicine.

FIFY

Bat Chain Puller on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Baloney. Both sides are slinging mud. To deny that is laughable.

And all of them need to grow up.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Baloney. Both sides are slinging mud. To deny that is laughable.

And all of them need to grow up.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

No. There is no rational way you can compare the actions and words of elected leaders to people who have valid concerns and fears.

The left has embarked on a campaign of threats and intimidation while the average person is voicing their concern, fears and outrage at ever increasing government control of their lives.

You need to move to Cuba. Go on, just for a year so you can experience the wonders of a government controlled life. Look on the bright side! You’ll get free health care. Take your non-profit with you.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer are LyingMis-Leading us.

BigMike252 on August 18, 2009 at 11:59 AM

This can’t be right, Ed. Wasn’t it the Republicans who were out of touch with ‘the rest of America?’ We need to re-run those polls! Those numbers can’t be right!

Tonus on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

The left has embarked on a campaign of threats and intimidation while the average person is voicing their concern, fears and outrage at ever increasing government control of their lives.

On this, we agree. The left has squandered its airtime to demonizing people. It’s also turned on them. Frankly, they appear silly when they try to portray this obvious grassroots outcry to paid lobbyists. And using the terminology, such as facists, brownshirts, unAmerican?

Good grief, but they need to get out of DC once in awhile.

But the right isn’t exactly Little Red Riding hood in this, either. The constant death panels stuff, the hue and cry that Obama is a socialist, etc.

Same thing. Flip side of the same coin is still the same coin.

Meanwhile, moderates wonder if they’ll ever get around to actually discussing reform.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I’m sure Katie, Charlie and Brian will report these poll numbers. When will these lib freaks come to the realization that THEY are out of touch, not us?

marklmail on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

But the right isn’t exactly Little Red Riding hood in this, either. The constant death panels stuff, the hue and cry that Obama is a socialist, etc.

Meanwhile, moderates wonder if they’ll ever get around to actually discussing reform.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Obama is a socialist, or progressive or communist … whichever you prefer. Of that there is no question. If you knew the history of communism and progressivism in America you’d agree. Nothing he has done so far, or wants to do disagrees with that.

Moderates are a figment of the media’s imagination. The only reform that’s needed is to get the government out of way. Government caused this supposed “health care crisis” … remove the cause.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

If not, what would you consider a more “manly” light beer?

One that tastes like beer. I have yet to find one myself, so I drink a full-bodied, calorie-heavy beer and skip the chips.

Friends, Natty Lite is poor college kid beer. if you like it, you’ll love grown up beer. Go for it; you’ll be happy you did. Bonus: And then you’ll have one more thing to make fun of Obama about too!

I stand by my Obama / Bud Lite comment. In my single days, I walked out of blind dates for such an offense.

BetsyBoss on August 18, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Barack Obama still wanted to argue over a B he received from a college professor

So, that’s one grade we know now.

RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS

Leakers, you know what to do.

pseudonominus on August 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Moderates are a figment of the media’s imagination.

Well, of course, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I think you’re into fantasy thinking there, though.

The lion’s share of RL people I know are most definitely moderate and see what’s going on. They don’t like either fringe side in this debate.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM

The mythical “moderate” is defined as someone who doesn’t know enough about any single issue to take a side.

There is no fringe involved in this. The “fringe” on the left are our elected national officials. The “fringe” on the right are average citizens.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM

discussing reform.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM

That is rich. “Reform” does not mean me paying for your healthcare. If you want government control of medicine then you are not a “moderate” you are on the “fringe” too.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM

That is rich. “Reform” does not mean me paying for your healthcare. If you want government control of medicine then you are not a “moderate” you are on the “fringe” too.

I posted my ideas in another thread, which I still think makes sense.

But, then, I’m sure I’m oversimplifying the solution. Regardless, it’s now moved way past my ideas.

It’s in the trenches time now.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Dean Wormer would have put this administration on double secret probation.

Dean Vernon Wormer: Mr. KrogerObama: two C’s, two D’s and an F. That’s a 1.2. Congratulations, Kroger Barry. You’re at the top of the Delta pledge class. Mr. DorfmanHoyer?
FlounderHoyer: Hello!
Dean Vernon Wormer: Zero point two… Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. Mr. HooverMs. Pelosi, president of Delta the house? One point six; four C’s and an F. A fine example you set! Daniel Simpson Day Joe Biden… HAS no grade point average. All courses incomplete. Mr. BluGei – MR. BLUTARSKY GEITHNER… ZERO POINT ZERO.

Brat on August 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

The only way none of them reading the bill could more incompetent, is if they sent Biden out to read the bill and explain it to the people.

jhffmn on August 18, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Sad but true for Obumbler, no affirmative action grades. Me thinks the C- would have been his average during his schooling and hence why his records are sealed shut tight.

jukin on August 18, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Where is Joe Biden?

Funny you should ask. The LA Times is reporting that Obama is about to pick him to lead the charge on ….health care reform.

Biden 2take center stage as spokeman for HC.

http://snurl.com/qg07r

JiangxiDad on August 18, 2009 at 12:52 PM

I posted my ideas in another thread, which I still think makes sense.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Ann, any idea that has the government involved, or dictating to private citizens or businesses is flawed.

darwin on August 18, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Next up for congress – do away with the grading system. Everyone just gets a “pass”. Like the trophy for everyone in sports.

mcmm on August 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM

I like How ann claims to have offered anything but cliches and platitudes in some “other” thread. I have yet to see her say anything but an idiotic one-liner wherein she claims (while whole-heartedly supporting a gov’t takeover of healthcare) to be a “moderate”.

the funny thing is, she probably really believes she is a “moderate”. All of her friends are probably far left, so from where she sits, she is right in the mainstream and does not understand that she is a far-leftist.

Ann – you never did explain how it is that you think insurance companies, who pay for health care – are responsible for the high cost of health care.

I know that thinking trhough that will likely be very difficult for you, as it will shake your core belief that the evil insurance companies are the cause of high health care costs, but an answer would be nice.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I give him a strong F-. And I think that is being too generous.

margretto on August 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Americans are skeptical of governmental central planning and that is what this is, even without the public option! Central planning failed last century but some just won’t let it die.

LifeTrek on August 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM

When will these lib freaks come to the realization that THEY are out of touch, not us?

Just as soon as they crash from the drug high they’re on.

SeniorD on August 19, 2009 at 1:20 AM

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